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Offline KingpenM3

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I am in the process of both replacing many of my old tools with Festool tools, and designing/building a new kitchen in our new house. Can anyone suggest any sites/documents/books/calculators that show how to design basic cabinetry in the european/frameless style? Or even simple cut list and diagrams for basic base and wall cabinets. I guess I'm asking if there are some references of some industry standards to go by with the LR32 system to go by. Thanks.


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Re: Sample Festool Friendly European/Frameless cabinet designs?
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2019, 03:49 PM »
TSO Products has been touting the 2 books on their websites (with the specific goal of simplifying cabinet construction).  I haven't read them myself, but Hans has earned a reputation for being a straight shooter, so if he found it worthwhile to put on his site, I think it's worth a look. 
https://tsoproducts.com/books/

Poplarshop on youtube has a nice series on using the LR32 system to build kitchen cabinets.  That was my first intro to the LR32 system and it is a great overview in using Festool's ecosystem as well.

So which M3 is the M3?   [smile]
-Raj

Offline pixelated

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Re: Sample Festool Friendly European/Frameless cabinet designs?
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2019, 04:19 PM »
Festool has a nice series on youtube illustrating a cabinet build for both frameless and face frame cabinets. I think it's nicely done, and I like the construction method they show. It shows the process using all their tools, of course, but the techniques are applicable using other stuff.




Offline jobsworth

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Re: Sample Festool Friendly European/Frameless cabinet designs?
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2019, 09:23 PM »
If you can find a book called Building Frameless Cabinets by Danny Proulx (RIP) its  very good. Hard to find.
Greg Paolini, the author of one of the books that TSO Products sell has a Festool Cabinet combined with doors and drawers , class coming up. He is also haveing a Festools Essential class which he'll instruct you on how to effectively use the tools.

https://festooltraining.com/collections/asheville-north-carolina-training-facility

greg also offers non festool courses in cabinet making. What makes his classes so good is thats what he does for a living. He owns and operates a cabinet making business right on site. So during the breaks you can go into the shop and talk to the craftsman watch them work building cabinets and pick their brains to.
http://gpdacademy.com/current-schedule/

Offline KingpenM3

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Re: Sample Festool Friendly European/Frameless cabinet designs?
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2019, 12:10 AM »
Thank y'all so much! You've already given more to work with than my (poor) googling!



(I'm a bimmer/beamer guy, e30 325i, e36 M3, f10 535i, e85 z4, e21 320, f80 M3, and a r90/6!)


Offline simonh

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Re: Sample Festool Friendly European/Frameless cabinet designs?
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2019, 03:29 AM »
The following site contains alot of information on the variants of the system 32: http://www.davelers.com/32mm/

One thing I note on alot of US based videos showing the system is that they don't set the back row of holes a multiple of 32 from the front row, they often just offset them the same distance from the back of cabinet for symmetry.  If the front row of holes are 37mm from the leading edge and the back are a multiple of 32 from the front then things like the Blum style drawer runners will screw into the holes correctly.

Also not that going full system 32 often means that cabinets should be certain fixed dimensions.

Offline RDMuller

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Re: Sample Festool Friendly European/Frameless cabinet designs?
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2019, 09:34 AM »
Sounds like you are just getting started at this. Frameless cabinets require a much higher degree of precision.  90 degree corners means 90.0 and exactly that. There is no fudge factor such as that of frames that can be tweaked slightly and overlay doors.
 Invest in at least a couple of squares from Woodpeckers. Build 2 or 3 test cabinets out of cheap MDF and see if you can work through these issues.  Make sure you have the space, clamps and help to glue up and assemble. Then buy some hinges and see if you have the skills and temperment to install inset doors


Good luck whichever way you decide to go

Offline Drew Sanderson

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Re: Sample Festool Friendly European/Frameless cabinet designs?
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2019, 10:06 AM »
I say buy the IKEA cabinets and hardware, make your own faces.  They use 3/4" panels instead of the 5/8" you often see.

That is the whole business model of this company:
https://www.semihandmade.com

Offline Reed Hoyer

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Re: Sample Festool Friendly European/Frameless cabinet designs?
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2019, 12:19 PM »
You will have to dig through the series because I don't have the time to look it up right now but @erock goes through his design and reasoning in this video series he made showing off the lr32. It's a great intro if you want to see someone going end to end on a project with the LR32 and a ton of other Festool products. It's more or less what sold me on the system from the beginning.


Offline jarbroen

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Re: Sample Festool Friendly European/Frameless cabinet designs?
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2019, 04:54 PM »
Bob Lang's book is mentioned on the TSO site.  I picked that up a while ago and find it very helpful.
Definitely covers lots of the 'standard' questions you mentioned.  Also explains the pluses and minuses of different styles/methods of building the cabinets.

I'd suggest getting that book or one of the other recommended and spend some time reading.  Then go practice on some cabinets for your workshop or bathroom.
Even with great instruction and tools it will take some hands on learning and trial and error for certain aspects of cabinet building.

I was going to build new kitchen cabinets this year, but that has been pushed back due to a last minute master bath remodel. [eek]
Now I get to practice my cabinet skills on a vanity and master closet setup.