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« on: September 02, 2009, 03:33 PM »

Ever notice the machined flats on the Domino fence?



Were you aware that they are machined so that the upper edge is in precise alignment with the center of the bit?  This greatly simplifies alignment tasks.

Here's an example where I want to center a mortise in the center of the stock with the Domino oriented vertically.





Align the face of the "flats" on the desired layout line.



Align the centerline scribed into the baseplate and support bracket to the perpendicular line.



Make the mortise.




Thank you, Brian Sedgeley.

Joe
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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2009, 03:54 PM »

Nice, keep the tips coming.
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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2009, 04:27 PM »

Excellent ! Thanks for sharing !!

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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2009, 04:29 PM »

Nice job on the write up  Joe.   That's so much easier to follow than my notes are :-)

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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2009, 04:49 PM »

Perfect.  Now to add on to what Joe wrote here is another tidbit shown that goes along with this.  One of the things that made me smile.  When you're cutting that domino slot, take your free hand and use your fingertips to press bone on the black auxiliary base.  Much better control.

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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2009, 05:08 PM »

Joe,

Thanks for the great tip.  All of us who did not attend really appreciate the unselfish attitude of those of you who did.

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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2009, 09:52 PM »

A great tip, please keep them coming.
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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2009, 10:34 PM »

I agree - this is a great tip and thank you for posting on it.

I do have a suggestion for Festool.  Why not include these tips in the instruction manual or have videos showing such tips?  It is clear that a lot of thought has gone into the design of the Domino.  Unfortunately, design features such as this does the end user little good if we don't know about them. 
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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2009, 10:56 PM »

Now do you understand why we were so excited to go?  What the attendees got to experience was special.  Joe took what we saw, got home, and then perfectly shared the experience.  Words would not have explained it.  Bottom of the ninth 2 outs full count home run.

We have been blessed by an opportunity and fabulous trainers.  This forum was originally established to share information.  It will come.

I have some things that I wanted to post, but after Joe's home run the bar has been raised.  This isn't a competition.  I just want to demonstrate something as clearly as he did.
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« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2009, 01:07 AM »

This is a great tip and very timely for me--thanks!
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« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2009, 04:51 AM »

I'll second Phred's words to the 'T'!
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« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2009, 08:12 AM »

Wow, I had no idea!  That would have come in handy so many times in the past couple of years, and no doubt I'll have even more occasions to use that knowledge in the future.  This really illustrates the value of end user training.  Thanks, Joe!

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« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2009, 08:18 AM »

I think that information about this "ah-ha" is in the supplemental guide by rick.
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« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2009, 10:38 AM »

When the Festool folks were looking for suggestions on the proposed training I (as did others) suggested that the training be made available in webcast or video format so that 100% of current customers (and potential customers) would have access to these tips & training 24x7. 
I guess the decision makers had a better idea???




I agree - this is a great tip and thank you for posting on it.

I do have a suggestion for Festool.  Why not include these tips in the instruction manual or have videos showing such tips?  It is clear that a lot of thought has gone into the design of the Domino.  Unfortunately, design features such as this does the end user little good if we don't know about them. 
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« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2009, 10:40 AM »

Im staggered that Domino owners havnt taken the time to read the manuals and find out what all the markings are on their machine.
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« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2009, 10:50 AM »

Tezzer,

I thought the same thing.  When ever I make an expensive purchase I do extensive research on that product so I don't have to rely on a sales person giving me information or should I say lack of information.  If you don't do the research ahead of time then how can you use the tool how it was designed to be used.  Everyone complains about the manuals, and I agree that they need to be a lot better, but there is no reason to blame Festool for not knowing about these things.  If you read a manual and feel that there is not enough information, call your dealer, call Festool, or get online and dig for it.  The information is there.

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« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2009, 11:01 AM »

One might be inclined to think that reading the owners manual that comes with the Domino would include that information.   Just staggering.


Im staggered that Domino owners havnt taken the time to read the manuals and find out what all the markings are on their machine.
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« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2009, 11:04 AM »

That would be two things, and the other 999,998 are...

Tezzer,

I thought the same thing.  When ever I make an expensive purchase I do extensive research on that product so I don't have to rely on a sales person giving me information or should I say lack of information.  If you don't do the research ahead of time then how can you use the tool how it was designed to be used.  Everyone complains about the manuals, and I agree that they need to be a lot better, but there is no reason to blame Festool for not knowing about these things.  If you read a manual and feel that there is not enough information, call your dealer, call Festool, or get online and dig for it.  The information is there.

RonWen,

Festool can't do a million things at once.  It was discussed at the training that they did listen to your request and they are coming out with video in the near future no doubt.  They are just focusing on something else now.

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« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2009, 11:39 AM »

Ron,

Have you ever tried running a multi-million dollar company? Lots of things need to take place to make something work.  I can't even begin to think about what went into this training class.  Not only do they have to make it happen at Festool USA, Festool in Germany needs to approve it to I would imagine. 

Maybe they are working on new tools for us.. So that can account for some of the 999,998 tasks.
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« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2009, 11:40 AM »


I'm staggered that Domino owners haven't taken the time to read the manuals and find out what all the markings are on their machine.



I'm not really surprised. Many years in the auto repair business proved to me that only a small percentage ever read the owners manuals on their new $30,000-$40,000 machines. And few ever care much about undertanding the important dials and gauges they look at every day.

Hey, reading takes too much time.  
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« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2009, 11:58 AM »

I've always red them just to get to know the car.
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« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2009, 12:14 PM »


If you read a manual and feel that there is not enough information, call your dealer, call Festool, or get online and dig for it.  The information is there.


There is no excuse. If you pay good money for a machine then you should get a manual that explains every knob and notch on it.
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« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2009, 12:15 PM »


I've always red them just to get to know the car.


Didn't you know, REAL men never read the instructions, or ask for directions?  Grin
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« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2009, 12:19 PM »


If you read a manual and feel that there is not enough information, call your dealer, call Festool, or get online and dig for it.  The information is there.


There is no excuse. If you pay good money for a machine then you should get a manual that explains every knob and notch on it.


I agree but there is no excuss not to know how to use your machine or know everything about it because the information & resources are out there.  Thats just my opinion.
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« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2009, 05:54 PM »

And few ever care much about undertanding the important dials and gauges they look at every day.

Hey, reading takes too much time.  


True story.  My friend and I used to have a small used car business and one dumb gal (guess the hair color) locked up her engine after a couple of months.  It turned out she didn't know that "pretty red light" meant there was no oil left.
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« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2009, 07:02 PM »

Have I tried running a multi-million dollar company?  No, but I have certainly successfully managed multi-million dollar annual budgets year after year along with the multi-tasking required to do so.
Your question implies that you have run a multi-million dollar company, which one?  Are you a senior in the FestoolUSA organisation?  By the way, the tone of your question doesn't imply the friendly attitude the administrators are striving for.  Should I not expect a top notch, thorough owner's manual along with a very expensive tool?

Ron,

Have you ever tried running a multi-million dollar company? Lots of things need to take place to make something work.  I can't even begin to think about what went into this training class.  Not only do they have to make it happen at Festool USA, Festool in Germany needs to approve it to I would imagine. 

Maybe they are working on new tools for us.. So that can account for some of the 999,998 tasks.
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Should I not expect a top notch, thorough owner's manual along with a very expensive tool?

Well, at least I think you should.

Buy a 40 dollar circular saw, then you can expect a manual written in Chinglish on toilet paper. Buy a 500 dollar saw, and you'd expect something different.
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« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2009, 07:41 PM »

Have I tried running a multi-million dollar company?  No, but I have certainly successfully managed multi-million dollar annual budgets year after year along with the multi-tasking required to do so.
Your question implies that you have run a multi-million dollar company, which one?  Are you a senior in the FestoolUSA organisation?  By the way, the tone of your question doesn't imply the friendly attitude the administrators are striving for.  Should I not expect a top notch, thorough owner's manual along with a very expensive tool?

Ron,

Have you ever tried running a multi-million dollar company? Lots of things need to take place to make something work.  I can't even begin to think about what went into this training class.  Not only do they have to make it happen at Festool USA, Festool in Germany needs to approve it to I would imagine.  

Maybe they are working on new tools for us.. So that can account for some of the 999,998 tasks.

Gentlemen, this part of the discussion has departed from the generally friendly atmosphere that we've come to expect here on the FOG. I hope we can get back to a friendlier tone with discussion.  

Ron, I understand your frustration with the manuals. Festool Germany seems to be indifferent to the subject of better manuals. Festool USA has been the only Festool branch to spend money on supplemental manuals. Although they've been here for years Festool USA is still getting established in the market here in North America. They have a limited budget to support their customers, maintain/expand the dealer network and grow their market share. So imagine there is a limited amount of money to spend on manuals.

As for the user training, we asked for it and Festool is delivering. The training is just getting off the ground, a little patience is in order before we can expect Festool to have video or webcasts worked out. I'm going to get them some time before I expect all the details to be worked out.    
    
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« Reply #28 on: September 03, 2009, 07:47 PM »

I think most of us read the manual cover to cover when we first bring our purchase home or to our shop.  We know about 50% of what the tool can do because we use 20% of the features 80% of the time.  That is just human nature.  We then forget about the little tips and techniques that we don't use regularly.  That is one of the important features of this Forum.

If a dashboard light comes on, do we really know what it means?  We have to refer back to the manual don't we?  We knew what it meant when the car was new (maybe).

Why are we bickering between ourselves?  Why not appreciate what we have and the knowledge we obtain from our fellow members.

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« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2009, 07:59 PM »

I agree Brice, I felt obligated to point out a tone that was less than friendly, if this forum is going to be turned around in the direction that I'm sure FestoolUSA would hope things need nipped early.



Have I tried running a multi-million dollar company?  No, but I have certainly successfully managed multi-million dollar annual budgets year after year along with the multi-tasking required to do so.
Your question implies that you have run a multi-million dollar company, which one?  Are you a senior in the FestoolUSA organisation?  By the way, the tone of your question doesn't imply the friendly attitude the administrators are striving for.  Should I not expect a top notch, thorough owner's manual along with a very expensive tool?

Ron,

Have you ever tried running a multi-million dollar company? Lots of things need to take place to make something work.  I can't even begin to think about what went into this training class.  Not only do they have to make it happen at Festool USA, Festool in Germany needs to approve it to I would imagine.  

Maybe they are working on new tools for us.. So that can account for some of the 999,998 tasks.

Gentlemen, this part of the discussion has departed from the generally friendly atmosphere that we've come to expect here on the FOG. I hope we can get back to a friendlier tone with discussion.  

Ron, I understand your frustration with the manuals. Festool Germany seems to be indifferent to the subject of better manuals. Festool USA has been the only Festool branch to spend money on supplemental manuals. Although they've been here for years Festool USA is still getting established in the market here in North America. They have a limited budget to support their customers, maintain/expand the dealer network and grow their market share. So imagine there is a limited amount of money to spend on manuals.

As for the user training, we asked for it and Festool is delivering. The training is just getting off the ground, a little patience is in order before we can expect Festool to have video or webcasts worked out. I'm going to get them some time before I expect all the details to be worked out.    
    
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