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Offline Naildrivingman

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Re: Whole house renovation/cabinet building without a table saw?
« Reply #30 on: April 10, 2017, 06:37 PM »
I'm no track saw expert...So now that disclaimer is out of the way, I will say that I am a track saw believer when it comes to reducing 4x8 to manageable/useable sizes. I personally would do frame stock on a table saw. Dadoes/rabbets in large quantities would also be done on a table saw. If it is one or two cases, I would do them with a router. I think setup and tear down of a dado stack for a few feet of work is not efficient, but for a few hundred feet it is efficient. There is a series of 14 or so vids on YouTube (possibly the same as referenced above) where the individual does all the case work with track and router. It is impressive, but so is his collection of accessories that many may not possess. IMHO, the accessories (parallel guides, edge guides, etc) are what makes the workflow more efficient vs a table saw.
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Offline sheperd80

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Re: Whole house renovation/cabinet building without a table saw?
« Reply #31 on: April 10, 2017, 08:00 PM »
I love my tracksaw but I wouldnt even consider a project that size (or any project for that matter) without a tablesaw. Sure it could be done, but its gonna take much much longer. And the tablesaw gives you unmatched repeatability for rips crosscuts, and makes things square automatically.

If you can afford a tablesaw, 100% YES dont even think about it.

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Offline antss

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Re: Whole house renovation/cabinet building without a table saw?
« Reply #32 on: April 10, 2017, 08:25 PM »
"And the tablesaw gives you unmatched repeatability for rips crosscuts, and makes things square automatically."

And so does a TS saw with the parallel guides !  It's no more or less accurate than a table saw with a rip fence.  Arguably it'd be faster than a tablesaw because setup time would be much less, and you wouldn't have to build a crosscut sled.   How long did it take you to ensure that your blade was parallel to your miter gauge and then adjust the rip fence to those ?

Mind you, we are ONLY talking about frameless / euro constructed cabinets here.

It really all boils down to:  do you want to take your tools to the material - or - take your material to the tools.

Online tjbnwi

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Re: Whole house renovation/cabinet building without a table saw?
« Reply #33 on: April 10, 2017, 09:04 PM »
The success of there project is more about the process than the tools.

I build all my casework without a table saw, all the material is processed with my TS-55's.

Set up to cut all the face frame rails and stiles, door rails and stiles, then move on to the sheet goods. I make sure I process a couple of extra rails and stiles incase I blow a to length cut.

Examine all of the edges of the solid lumber, clean up any saw marks prior to assembly. Track saw or table saw, this is a necessary step.

Ron posted a link to my solid lumber process, I know quite a few guys that now use the process, never firing up their table saws.

Tom

Offline Neal W

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Re: Whole house renovation/cabinet building without a table saw?
« Reply #34 on: April 10, 2017, 09:22 PM »
My summer projects include some built ins for my master bedroom and a new vanity for the bathroom.  Started the vanity last weekend.  On Sunday I brought home three sheets of plywood and almost all of the case pieces cut to size in short order (3 boxes total. 

Parallel guides help with the repeatability and set up.  This will speed things along a little.  Set the parallel guides and go. 

I will probably use my table saw (which is a Ryobi bt3000) to do a lot of the ripping of lumber for face frames and door rails and stiles. I'm not real comfortable ripping narrow stock with my TS 55

The guide rail and my 1400 router took care of some dados in the boxes as well

I'll do the assembly with dominoes and pocket screws.  The domino makes things go together very nicely

I will also add the TSO guide rail square also moved things along as well.  It reduces the amount of time to set up each cut, and it is square.  Used it for the first time last weekend.  That combined with a "West Virginia engineered" length stop attached to it, made cutting same sized panels quite quick. 

I'm not a pro, so I'm not all about speed and profitability.  I'm just a weekend warrior who enjoys the journey.  Festool makes the journey much more enjoyable.
« Last Edit: April 10, 2017, 09:31 PM by Neal W »
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Offline antss

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Re: Whole house renovation/cabinet building without a table saw?
« Reply #35 on: April 10, 2017, 09:52 PM »
I'm curious why so many are doing framed cabinets ?

Are these beaded inset doors as well ? A real hallmark of the cabinet maker's craft I might add.

If not, why bother with the frames at all ?

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Re: Whole house renovation/cabinet building without a table saw?
« Reply #36 on: April 10, 2017, 10:08 PM »
I'm curious why so many are doing framed cabinets ?

Are these beaded inset doors as well ? A real hallmark of the cabinet maker's craft I might add.

If not, why bother with the frames at all ?

I like the look, be them inset or partial overlay.

Tom

Offline JimD

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Re: Whole house renovation/cabinet building without a table saw?
« Reply #37 on: April 13, 2017, 09:27 PM »
Cutting big pieces of solid wood or sheet goods is track saw work.  Cutting little pieces of wood is better done on the table saw.  Long dados are easier with a router guided by the track.  Shorter ones can be done on the table saw - but setup is quicker for the router.  Repeat cuts with the track saw are simple with the right jig.  Both the track saw and table saw have their place.