veramis
Offline
Location: usa Member Since: Oct 2011
Posts: 11
|
 |
« on: October 12, 2011, 02:23 PM » |
|
http://imageshack.us/g/268/img0126mr.jpg/I recently got a festool t12 and I am very happy. My only issue with it is that the jacobs chuck is kind of heavy for me since i mostly just use small drill bits, but I do appreciate it since I know I can use huge drill bits. I made this thing to try to stabilize drill bits while spinning and to make it harder for it to pull out, and it does the job quickly and easily but has two major drawbacks, it requires two hands and the binder clip can hit your hand, at full rpm it hurts a little but is not dangerous. To make, I used a binder clip with these dimensions: 3.2cm length, 2cm depth, and 1.4cm width. I used one sticky felt pad with 3mm thickness used for putting beneath furniture to not scratch floors, I then cut into multiple strips, using only three strips of about 3mm length and width. I stuck the strips at the very edge of the binder clip but I think putting it right where there are locking indentations on the drill hex bits would be better at the expense of requiring more work opening the binder clip to insert drill bits. You'll have to trial and error cut the thickness of one of the three felt pads, because one side has a bulge due to the binder clip design (the top part if you look at my pics showing the face of the drill) and also be a tiny bit closer to the center of the drill than the other two sides that are half-open. Fine adjustments in placement and thickness can make this a useful contraption, and with a binder clip of the dimensions I gave above you will be able to put felt anywhere in the upper half of the binder clip while the other half grips onto the drill. The binder clip can be clamped onto the drill either from the side or from the front, front insertion being easier. I think I will eventually wrap the metal handles for more comfortable use and less painful when I am accidentally hit by it. Edit: Actually it can be switched with one hand, but it requires a lot of steps. First remove binder clip from the side, remove drill bit, insert new drill bit, put back binder clip. I prefer to put the bottom of the drill against my body, hold onto the top of the drill with one hand while pulling slightly on the binder clip, remove and insert new drill bit. Sigh can someone just make a fake centrotec for hex drill bits :p.
|
|
|
|
« Last Edit: October 12, 2011, 02:31 PM by veramis »
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Festool USA does not pre-approve the contents of this website nor endorse the application or use of any Festool product in any way other than in the manner described in the Festool Instruction Manual. To reduce the risk of serious injury and/or damage to your Festool product, always read, understand and follow all warnings and instructions in your Festool product's Instruction Manual. Although Festool strives for accuracy in the website material, the website may contain inaccuracies. Festool makes no representations about the accuracy, reliability, completeness or timeliness of the material on this website or about the results to be obtained from using the website. Festool and its affiliates cannot be responsible for improper postings or your reliance on the website's material. Your use of any material contained on this website is entirely at your own risk. The content contained on this site is provided for informational purposes only and does not constitute professional advice.
|
|
justinmcf
Offline
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia Member Since: Nov 2008
Posts: 711
Queensland Builder
|
 |
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2011, 04:58 PM » |
|
That is a strange setup.
I would certainly not let my employees use such a thing.
I have never heard of someone complaining about a normal chuck being too heavy.
What the heck have you been smoking today?
Justin.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Ken Nagrod
Restricted
Offline
Location: New Jersey Member Since: Jul 2010
Posts: 3438
|
 |
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2011, 05:14 PM » |
|
|
|
|
|
« Last Edit: October 13, 2011, 12:30 AM by Ken Nagrod »
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Neill
Offline
Location: USA Member Since: Jun 2008
Posts: 888
|
 |
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2011, 05:50 PM » |
|
With all due respects...
No comment.
Neill
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Kapex, Domino, MFT/3, Rotex 150 FEQ, CT 22E, TS 55, C12 Drill, 1400 Router, Rotex 90 DX, Rotex 125 FEQ, LS 130 EQ Linear, Parallel Guide Set, Deltex 93 E, Trion 300 Barrell Grip, ETS 150/3 EQ, ES125 EQ, Guide Rail Accessory Kit, Sanding Block, various rails, systainers, sortainers, vacuum hoses and accessories for various tools.
|
|
|
SRSemenza
Global Moderator
Offline
Location: UNITED STATES (US) Member Since: Jun 2007
Posts: 3997
Finger Lakes Region, NY State , USA
|
 |
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2011, 12:19 AM » |
|
Not sure this is the safest set up I have seen  Why not use a Centrotec bit holder with hex shank bits? Seth
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Seth R. Semenza S. R. Semenza Woodworking
Festool Service 800-554-8741
|
|
|
veramis
Offline
Location: usa Member Since: Oct 2011
Posts: 11
|
 |
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2011, 10:39 AM » |
|
Not sure this is the safest set up I have seen  Why not use a Centrotec bit holder with hex shank bits? Seth My hex drill bits don't fit or lock onto the centrotec chuck or the centrotec bit holder. They only go into the drill directly or into the jacobs chuck. I admit a binder clip on the drill does look weird and it does hurt a tiny bit if you move your hand into it at full rpm, but is just irritating after 5 seconds of constantly being hit on the knuckles by the metal handles at full rpm so I can't figure out how it could be dangerous. Also I admit there's very few situations where the jacobs chuck's weight will cause fatigue, such as drilling for hours or carrying the drill on the belt all day, but it just seemed to me there ought to be a lightweight locking 1/4" hex chuck. I could get a cxs or the centrotec drill bits, but I really like what the t12 offers and I only had one slight issue with it which I cleared up with this toy. This certainly isn't a chuck but it gets the job done and I can't see major issues with it, but of course it's not something many would want to make, just thought it'd be interesting to share since I am happy with the results.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Ken Nagrod
Restricted
Offline
Location: New Jersey Member Since: Jul 2010
Posts: 3438
|
 |
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2011, 10:47 AM » |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
veramis
Offline
Location: usa Member Since: Oct 2011
Posts: 11
|
 |
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2011, 01:03 PM » |
|
Oh my god I didn't know there was such a thing  I thought by bit holder it meant the extension accessory that comes with the centrotec starter kit. I have placed an order for that collared bit holder, thanks so much!
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Ken Nagrod
Restricted
Offline
Location: New Jersey Member Since: Jul 2010
Posts: 3438
|
 |
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2011, 01:05 PM » |
|
Oh my god I didn't know there was such a thing  I thought by bit holder it meant the extension accessory that comes with the centrotec starter kit. I have placed an order for that collared bit holder, thanks so much! Just a suggestion, but you might want to consider changing your bathroom reading material to the Festool 2011/2012 catalog. Also keep a credit card and phone handy. 
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
fshanno
Offline
Location: Silsbee TX Member Since: Sep 2007
Posts: 582
|
 |
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2011, 01:11 PM » |
|
Brilliant! You're killing me. This is one of the sweetest slams I've ever seen! I love Festool, my favorite tool company and a great bunch of people too. But they deserve it on this one.
We all know why Festool won't provide a chuck for 1/4" locking hex. It's the same reason HP practically gives away consumer grade printers.
If they ever gave us a chuck like the CentroTec for 1/4" they would have just sold their last CentroTec bit. Game over.
I wonder how much it would cost them really. They would sell more drills, especially in North America. They would probably sell so many drills here that Vermont and Irwin would probably start making CentroTec bits. Maybe even enough so that Kreg would offer a CentroTec version. That would be ironic wouldn't it?
But worldwide it would cost them a lot of money so we won't hold our breath will we? After all it's their business and they can do what they like and mostly they do great.
Meantime, watch those knuckles! Say do you thing that SawStop guy could come up with a drill brake?
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
The one thing we learn from history is that we never learn from history.
|
|
|
fshanno
Offline
Location: Silsbee TX Member Since: Sep 2007
Posts: 582
|
 |
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2011, 01:14 PM » |
|
P.S. on Tuesday I tried a 6" Kreg bit right in the drill at my dealer. It wobbled all over the place, just about unusable. But I don't think your rig would work for that because of the angle at which you have to hold the thing. Darn.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
The one thing we learn from history is that we never learn from history.
|
|
|
SRSemenza
Global Moderator
Offline
Location: UNITED STATES (US) Member Since: Jun 2007
Posts: 3997
Finger Lakes Region, NY State , USA
|
 |
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2011, 03:37 PM » |
|
Yup, that's the one I meant. Seth
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Seth R. Semenza S. R. Semenza Woodworking
Festool Service 800-554-8741
|
|
|
veramis
Offline
Location: usa Member Since: Oct 2011
Posts: 11
|
 |
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2011, 05:10 PM » |
|
I just got the bit holder and it solves the problem of drill bit pulling out, but not the problem of wobble. It only holds bits up to the indentation on quick-change hex bits, not beyond the indentation. It has only one point where it locks onto the drill bit indentation, not three points like the centrotec, so there is one contributor to wobble.
I have a quick-change adapter for 3/8" drills that allows you to quick-change 1/4" hex drill bits, and it allows you to insert the hex shank past the indentation, so there is much less wobble. More insertion may seem bad for short driver bits, but if it is not magnetic the driver bits will fall right out when you open the mechanism. I was really hoping this bit holder would also allow that amount of insertion but guess not.
Since this bit holder is magnetic, short driver bits are very difficult to take out. You must pull back the sleeve and try to pull out the driver bit simultaneously. I have a drill accessory where the sleeve can have two positions, opened and locked, without having to apply constant tension to keep it open. Such a mechanism would've been better here even if it means no magnet to hold festool bits.
I will use this instead of my binder clip because I think if I wrap the hex shank indentation of all my drill bits with gaffer tape I can reduce wobble a lot, then simply remove the centrotec when I need to use driver bits. Thanks for the suggestion.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
shedfull
Offline
Location: Yorkshire UK Member Since: Mar 2009
Posts: 3
|
 |
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2011, 10:32 AM » |
|
|
|
|
|
« Last Edit: October 29, 2011, 10:34 AM by shedfull »
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|