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Offline ChuckM

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Does a commerical domino glue applicator exist?
« on: September 06, 2018, 06:34 PM »
This is for biscuits:

http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=20006&cat=1,110,42967

Fastcap does not seem to have a gadget for the dominoes. The glue accessory should come with different applicator tips to work with the three mortise width settings.

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Offline dallas8338

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Re: Does a commerical domino glue applicator exist?
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2018, 06:42 PM »
The rockler glue set has a tip that fits well in dominos. The silicone finger also applies glue wel to the dominos themselves. The box even mentions domino use.

Rockler glue set

Click the link and look at the fifth picture.

Edit- I prefer just squirting glue in the mortise and using the glue paddles to spread glue: Glue paddles
« Last Edit: September 06, 2018, 06:46 PM by dallas8338 »

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Does a commerical domino glue applicator exist?
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2018, 07:07 PM »
Thanks.

Anyone have experience with that Mortise Glue Applicator?

For glue paddles, I use these: http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=48479&cat=1,110,42967

When I have 80 mortises and 40 dominoes to apply glue in/on, I would love to have just one single action for both jobs.
« Last Edit: September 06, 2018, 07:11 PM by ChuckM »

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Does a commerical domino glue applicator exist?
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2018, 08:48 PM »
I put some glue on a waxed paper plate, dip/roll the domino in the glue then install in mortise.

To much glue in the mortise, you risk blowing out the other side of the work piece out if the mortise was made on the tight setting.

One of my guys blew the face sheets off a piece of 3/4” plywood last week driving dominos into the mortises, his comment to me—“oh, now I see what you meant”.

Tom
« Last Edit: September 07, 2018, 12:45 AM by tjbnwi »

Offline rst

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Re: Does a commerical domino glue applicator exist?
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2018, 08:53 PM »
The Lamello 175550 Minicol Glue Bottle works well, although is a little pricey.  Or, you could go with Lamello's  Lamello LK-3 (1 Gallon) Glue System with pistol - No. 502003 - $795.00 which is they're (low end!) pressurized system.

Offline Oldwood

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Re: Does a commerical domino glue applicator exist?
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2018, 09:03 PM »
I use these for dowels or mortises. Lee Valley carried a version of this at one time but dropped it from their catalog. Not high tech but they do the job.

https://www.amazon.com/Big-Horn-19121-Glue-Spreader/dp/B00FAMG8P4

Gerry
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Offline ChuckM

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Re: Does a commerical domino glue applicator exist?
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2018, 09:16 PM »
Cool if something like this is developed for dominoes -- controlled glue dispensing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_DY13KdHOM&feature=youtu.be&t=69s

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: Does a commerical domino glue applicator exist?
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2018, 09:22 PM »
I feel really low tech. I just use a trimmed off solder brush. I buy about 100 in a package. I shorten the bristles and apply glue. I toss each brush after it’s used. There is no clean up and the trimmed brush seems to get the right amount of glue in the right places.
Birdhunter

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Does a commerical domino glue applicator exist?
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2018, 09:24 PM »
There usually isn’t much need to glue the Domino in. I often don’t use any glue in the mortise and just a dab on the Dom. Surface area of the the little tenons is way les than the joint itself.

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Does a commerical domino glue applicator exist?
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2018, 10:41 PM »
There usually isn’t much need to glue the Domino in. I often don’t use any glue in the mortise and just a dab on the Dom. Surface area of the the little tenons is way les than the joint itself.

No glue in the mortise? If this indeed is a proven method, I would use it! Can anyone else confirm about this practice?

I would love to simplify my gluing up procedures with the dominoes, as a recent project (carcase with middle shelf plus vertical divider (in dadoes), a back panel in blind grooves, and lots of dominoes) took me a while to figure out how to get it glued up before anything froze up. It would have been easier if I had had only the dominoes to apply glue.

Offline egmiii

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Re: Does a commerical domino glue applicator exist?
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2018, 11:02 PM »
Check out the Pizzi pressurized glue gun system. Various nozzles are available, including dominos.

https://rangate.com/products/domino-joint-nozzles

Offline Gregor

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Re: Does a commerical domino glue applicator exist?
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2018, 02:37 AM »
There usually isn’t much need to glue the Domino in. I often don’t use any glue in the mortise and just a dab on the Dom. Surface area of the the little tenons is way les than the joint itself.

No glue in the mortise? If this indeed is a proven method, I would use it! Can anyone else confirm about this practice?
In case you only use them for alignment (or you need them floating) then use them dry.
Used as structural support for corners of cabinet doors, picture frames and such warrants gluing them (as they often increase the glued joint surface by a relevant magnitude). You also have the option to glue only one side in should you want later destruction free disassembly, but then you might need other means of holding the joint together (connectors, screws, ...).
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took me a while to figure out how to get it glued up before anything froze up.
Use a slower binding glue? Pre-glue in one side of the dominos so there are less mortices to process?

Offline CirclDigital

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Re: Does a commerical domino glue applicator exist?
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2018, 04:08 AM »
I guess for long-grain to long-grain glue-ups when you use them as alignment not gluing is ok.... but for other joints glue does give a lot more strength. And I'm not sure where but I some some testing done where gluing both surfaces gave a lot stronger joint that just gluing just the domino or mortise.

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: Does a commerical domino glue applicator exist?
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2018, 05:09 AM »
I never put glue in the mortise. I’ve built outdoor park benches, king size bed, cabinets, boxes , etc  this way and I’ve never had a joint come loose.

I just brush Titebond III on the tenon and tap it in. Ditto on the other end. I don’t load up on the glue. A modest slathering is adequate.

Too much glue can trigger a hydraulic pressure blow out if the mortise walls are thin.

If I’m using an oily wood like Ipe, I’ll clean the mortises with naphtha (outside) just before gluing the tenon in. I use a cotton cloth wrapped around a tongue depressor to swab out the mortise.
Birdhunter

Offline Cheese

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Re: Does a commerical domino glue applicator exist?
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2018, 08:59 AM »
I feel really low tech. I just use a trimmed off solder brush. I buy about 100 in a package. I shorten the bristles and apply glue. I toss each brush after it’s used. There is no clean up and the trimmed brush seems to get the right amount of glue in the right places.

Same here...I found some narrow 1/4" wide solder brushes that work well. I don't like the wider 1/2" versions because the bristles splay out.

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Does a commerical domino glue applicator exist?
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2018, 12:49 PM »
Snip.
Use a slower binding glue? Pre-glue in one side of the dominos so there are less mortices to process?

I already use white glue or old brown glue for the more complex glue-up jobs.

Pre-gluing is occasionally done (on the endgrain mortises), but I should do more of that. Thanks for the reminder.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2018, 01:55 PM by ChuckM »

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Does a commerical domino glue applicator exist?
« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2018, 12:52 PM »
The lowest tech glue applicators I use are free: every time I eat breakfast at A&W, I pick up a few of the wooden stirrers for use as glue spreaders.

Offline mike_aa

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Re: Does a commerical domino glue applicator exist?
« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2018, 01:08 PM »
Snip.
Use a slower binding glue? Pre-glue in one side of the dominos so there are less mortices to process?

I already use white glue or old brown glue for the more complex glue-up job.

Pre-gluing is occasionally done (on the endgrain mortises), but I should do more of that. Thanks for the reminder.

Another option is Titebond III.  I contacted the people at Titebond on a complex gluing project and that's what they recommended to use for a longer open time.

Mike A.

Offline jobsworth

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Re: Does a commerical domino glue applicator exist?
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2018, 01:08 PM »
i buy glue brushes from Harbor Freight.

https://www.harborfreight.com/catalogsearch/result/index/?dir=asc&order=EAScore%2Cf%2CEAFeatured+Weight%2Cf%2CSale+Rank%2Cf&q=acid+brushes

otherwise i just put the glue on the edge and run my finger over it



Offline tallgrass

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Re: Does a commerical domino glue applicator exist?
« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2018, 01:25 PM »
I use tooth brushes. you can carve up the head to match what you want. I trimmed a brush down to just 1 row. This way it fits in the domino slot. easy to clean.

Offline Hans Mertens

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Re: Does a commerical domino glue applicator exist?
« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2018, 02:03 PM »
Most of the time I don't put glue on the domino's. I use it mostly to built cabines and only glue the panels, the domino's are only for allignement.

When I do glue my domino's I put glue on the domino, not in the mortise. You push all the glue down and so it has little effect when you put it in the holes.
When you put glue on your domino and you drive it in the hole, the markings that are presse in the domino will retain enough glue to be effective. That is what these "arrows" are for.
When you use dowels they work the other way around. Here you put glue in the hole and when you drive in the dowel the groves make sure there remains glue on the walls or that the glue can be pushed back up.

I think that 's the reason why Festool hasn' t come out witha glue bottle. This would promote an incorrect way of applying glue.

I use a gluebot, hold the domino lengthwise between my dumb an index finger, put a dap of glue on one side and use an other domino to even it out. Then rotate the second domino and again use it to spread out. Then rotate the first and rub it against the other.
Works pretty fast, one glue spuese, two glued domino's.

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Does a commerical domino glue applicator exist?
« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2018, 02:23 PM »

Snip.

Another option is Titebond III.  I contacted the people at Titebond on a complex gluing project and that's what they recommended to use for a longer open time.

Mike A.

I do not use Titebond III, because it has similar open time as white glue (10 minutes), but is twice as expensive. Old brown glue or Titebond liquid hide glue is known to have some 30 minutes of open time. For large projects, I prefer white glue because old brown glue needs to be kept warm.

In my latest glue-up, I used white glue, solicited my wife's help, and it took some 45 minutes by the time I cleaned up. (When I dry fit, I did it by myself, but that was because I could spend all the time I wanted until the case was squared up, without worrying about the glue factor).

If I had used a rabbet for the back panel as usual instead of panel grooves all around, I could have clamped up the carcass, and then dealt with the back in phase two.


Offline ChuckM

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Re: Does a commerical domino glue applicator exist?
« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2018, 02:36 PM »
Snip

I think that 's the reason why Festool hasn' t come out witha glue bottle. This would promote an incorrect way of applying glue.

I use a gluebot, hold the domino lengthwise between my dumb an index finger, put a dap of glue on one side and use an other domino to even it out. Then rotate the second domino and again use it to spread out. Then rotate the first and rub it against the other.
Works pretty fast, one glue spuese, two glued domino's.

I would give it try next time with your one glue spread two dominoes approach.  [thumbs up]

This is what the DF manual says about gluing:

Tips for Applying Glue
There are many different ways to apply glue to joints; however, how you apply glue can have an impact on the quality of the joint or the ease of assembly.
► For a longer glue open-time on complex assemblies, apply the glue generously to the workpieces. The thicker the glue, the longer the time it will take to skin over (see image below). Excess glue can be cleaned off after completion.
Instruction Manual 19
► Apply glue to the workpiece face and the mortise slots before inserting the tenons into the slots.
► When applying glue for the tenons, you can either apply glue into the mortise slots, spread a thin layer across the Domino tenons, or both.
► When the tenon is the primary structure holding the joint together, you should apply the glue at least to the tenon (or both). The Domino tenons have small glue pockets and ridges that will hold glue as the tenon slides into the mortise slot.
► When applying glue to the mortise slot, take care not to use too much glue, as there is not enough space for the excess glue to squeeze out past the tenon.

It does seem from the above that applying glue to the tenons alone may work, though getting glue to both the mortises and tenons is never wrong.

I would put glue to the tenons only next time. Most of the times, I use dominos for structural joinery, not for alignment.

Offline mike_aa

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Re: Does a commerical domino glue applicator exist?
« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2018, 02:59 PM »

Snip.

Another option is Titebond III.  I contacted the people at Titebond on a complex gluing project and that's what they recommended to use for a longer open time.

Mike A.

I do not use Titebond III, because it has similar open time as white glue (10 minutes), but is twice as expensive. Old brown glue or Titebond liquid hide glue is known to have some 30 minutes of open time. For large projects, I prefer white glue because old brown glue needs to be kept warm.

In my latest glue-up, I used white glue, solicited my wife's help, and it took some 45 minutes by the time I cleaned up. (When I dry fit, I did it by myself, but that was because I could spend all the time I wanted until the case was squared up, without worrying about the glue factor).

If I had used a rabbet for the back panel as usual instead of panel grooves all around, I could have clamped up the carcass, and then dealt with the back in phase two.

@ChuckM  I'm not sure what brand white glue you are referring to, but according to the Titebond company, Titebond III has both a longer open time and assembly time than their white glue.  I've listed the numbers and links to their website data below.

Titebond White Glue - Open Assembly Time: 5 minutes (70°F./50%RH), Total Assembly Time: 10-15 minutes (70°F./50%RH)
Titebond III - Open Assembly Time: 8-10 minutes (70°F./50%RH), Total Assembly Time: 20-25 minutes (70°F./50%RH)

IIRC, they also said that thinning the glue (I think about 5 percent) with water would also help extend the open time.  If white glue works for you and gives you enough time to do what you want and you don't need the waterproof qualities of Titebond III, then it makes sense to "stick" with the white glue.  I just thought that Titebond III is another option to consider.

Mike A.



« Last Edit: September 07, 2018, 03:06 PM by mike_aa »

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Does a commerical domino glue applicator exist?
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2018, 03:27 PM »
I was referring to Elmer's white glue, not Titenond's: https://www.wwgoa.com/article/measuring-wood-glue-assembly-time/
 
I also use LV glue (15 mins), but ran out of it before my last job:
http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=45104&cat=1,110,42965,45104

« Last Edit: September 07, 2018, 03:31 PM by ChuckM »

Offline mike_aa

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Re: Does a commerical domino glue applicator exist?
« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2018, 04:29 PM »
@ChuckM  Interesting article.  Thanks for posting the link.

Mike A.