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« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2010, 12:53 PM »

I agree that the angle bracket attachment is too small and shaky. I've gotten a feel for it - but I need to concentrate on every face-plunge I do to make sure it's sitting right. I like this as a simple, fast, easy-to-make solution!

OTOH, I don't know if I'm too crazy about using the tool upside down and having to use a different jig for each offset / wood thickness. I have a whole bunch of left over 8020  parts from when I was making my MFT table (still working out a few kinks with that, but it's 95% done, will post pics soon). SO I used one of the really beefy angle brackets (2.75" x 2.75" x 1/4") to make the angle bracket shown below. I put the 1/4" MDF on the bottom to give it a little larger base than just the Alu and to give me a place to mount a little handle - it works WAY better than the standard angle bracket. I also took the advice of the folks here and put counter-sinks on the holes on the backside of the Alu for the rubber lock-rings for the festool thumb-screws. Only problem is that the screws are so long it's a little tedious to take on and off, think I may order a bag of M5 thumb-screws next time I do a McMaster order.

Thanks for stirring my brain in the direct of improving on the plastic angle bracket, I like this much better and wouldn't have thought to do it!

For anyone who's going to do this, the holes in the base are centered 50mm apart and 52mm back from the face of the tool.

Sorry the pics are a little messy - my phone and poorly lit shop.

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« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2010, 12:34 AM »

I agree that the angle bracket attachment is too small and shaky. I've gotten a feel for it - but I need to concentrate on every face-plunge I do to make sure it's sitting right. I like this as a simple, fast, easy-to-make solution!

OTOH, I don't know if I'm too crazy about using the tool upside down and having to use a different jig for each offset / wood thickness. .......


Chris,

I take it your fence is working fine for you.  Part of my deal is that my fence can be a little funky sometimes.  With the board screwed to bottom and the fence in it's 0 degree position I get two large bearing surfaces that are very close to 90 and no risk of slippage.  I get the 10mm distance reliably.

I notice that you have the newer model with the paddles.  Makes me wonder if your fence is better than mine.

And yes, it is a little wacky using the Domino upside down.  I've done it quite a bit and I don't like it.  I wish I didn't have to do it but I get better results with my little board.




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« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2010, 12:44 AM »


I take it your fence is working fine for you.  Part of my deal is that my fence can be a little funky sometimes.  With the board screwed to bottom and the fence in it's 0 degree position I get two large bearing surfaces that are very close to 90 and no risk of slippage.  I get the 10mm distance reliably.

I notice that you have the newer model with the paddles.  Makes me wonder if your fence is better than mine.

Ah yes,... the fence-slippage problem... That would be a good reason to go with the board.
I'd read about that before getting my Domino (it's less than a month old), but I think they fixed that problem with these newer paddle-style fences because it hasn't been a problem for me (so far), mine seems to stay exactly where I set it. I read some posts when the new model first came out about the pros and cons and someone mentioned they'd changed the milling somehow to make it less likely to slip. I was using it a bunch just this evening and will be doing another 40 or 50 mortices with it tomorrow so that'll be a good test; I haven't used it for any extended period yet on just one setting since I was still in the play-period where I was trying out all kinds of different things with it.

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« Reply #33 on: June 11, 2010, 04:43 PM »

I made a sole plate for my Domino.  One side is for 3/4" stock and the flip side is for 1/2" stock.  I also attached a cabinet handle which is also reversible.


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« Reply #34 on: June 11, 2010, 06:18 PM »

Very nice Ron. The only thing I might do differently is use thumb screws to attach it. (scratch that since you'd still need a tool to remove the handle.)

Are you set up to make a small batch of these to sell? Not sure I'm in the market but I'm fairly sure you could sell them.
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« Reply #35 on: June 11, 2010, 06:43 PM »

I made a sole plate for my Domino.  One side is for 3/4" stock and the flip side is for 1/2" stock.  I also attached a cabinet handle which is also reversible.

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« Reply #36 on: June 11, 2010, 08:10 PM »

Very nice Ron. The only thing I might do differently is use thumb screws to attach it. (scratch that since you'd still need a tool to remove the handle.)[/b]

Are you set up to make a small batch of these to sell? Not sure I'm in the market but I'm fairly sure you could sell them.

Yep, I considered that -- Just a tapped thru hole in the center front to screw a knob w/stud on from either side.  Then it would be useful to have the same knobs w/ 5mm studs holding the plate on -- No tools involved.  However, since I don't charge for my time ( Wink) & I thought that handle was kinda neat that's what I went with.
Yeah, I could probably make a batch or two...
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« Reply #37 on: June 11, 2010, 09:06 PM »

I'd be interested in one.
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« Reply #38 on: June 11, 2010, 09:08 PM »

Yeah, I could probably make a batch or two...

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I like your setup and most of the time I'm using 3/4" material.

If you decide to make a few, count me in!

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« Reply #39 on: June 11, 2010, 09:47 PM »

There does seem to be a fair amount of interest from others that would like one for their Dominos.  It seems my best option would be if one of the fine dealers on here (already setup for credit cards, shipping, etc.) might have an interest in handling that portion & I could just ship batches of the sole plates to them for distribution.  Please stay tuned.  Wink
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« Reply #40 on: June 11, 2010, 10:59 PM »

There does seem to be a fair amount of interest from others that would like one for their Dominos.  It seems my best option would be if one of the fine dealers on here (already setup for credit cards, shipping, etc.) might have an interest in handling that portion & I could just ship batches of the sole plates to them for distribution.  Please stay tuned.  Wink

Ron, Paypal makes collecting payment very easy so there really isn't a need to sell these through a dealer. This is especially true of small for small batches. By the time you get you a fair price for your work, then add coast of shipping the items to the dealer, the dealer's mark up and then shipping again you might price some buyers out. The less this puppies are handled the better (cheaper). Of course it would be a little more work on your end, but hay, we're only talking about a small run.
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« Reply #41 on: June 15, 2010, 11:32 PM »

Very cool idea. Count me in for one.
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« Reply #42 on: June 16, 2010, 03:03 PM »

I love the simplicity,  and the repeatability for consistency, I would be interested.
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« Reply #43 on: June 16, 2010, 04:21 PM »

Me too Thumbs Up

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« Reply #44 on: June 16, 2010, 04:27 PM »

OK, I'd better get serious & do something here.  Smile  Does the idea of a single tapped hole at the front center appeal more than using the cabinet handle attached with 2 button head screws appeal to most of you?  It would be quicker to reverse the plate if that is important to you.
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« Reply #45 on: June 16, 2010, 05:34 PM »

OK, I'd better get serious & do something here.  Smile  Does the idea of a single tapped hole at the front center appeal more than using the cabinet handle attached with 2 button head screws appeal to most of you?  It would be quicker to reverse the plate if that is important to you.

One hole with a  big screw on knob!
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« Reply #46 on: June 16, 2010, 05:54 PM »

What Greg said!!

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« Reply #47 on: June 16, 2010, 07:38 PM »

Since I'll be buying one too, if it becomes available, might I suggest tapping the hole to the same thread as the Festool knobs so that we can all use the otherwise useless knobs that came with our clamping elements?  Make the whole thing cheaper for you to not have to supply the knob and we can use something that we all have kicking around anyway....
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« Reply #48 on: June 16, 2010, 07:52 PM »

Since I'll be buying one too, if it becomes available, might I suggest tapping the hole to the same thread as the Festool knobs so that we can all use the otherwise useless knobs that came with our clamping elements?  Make the whole thing cheaper for you to not have to supply the knob and we can use something that we all have kicking around anyway....

I like that Idea!
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« Reply #49 on: June 16, 2010, 08:36 PM »

Sounds good.  I just checked mine -- they are M8x1.25 pitch threads.  It seems like it would be a pretty good knob for the purpose.
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« Reply #50 on: June 16, 2010, 09:14 PM »

Since I'll be buying one too, if it becomes available, might I suggest tapping the hole to the same thread as the Festool knobs so that we can all use the otherwise useless knobs that came with our clamping elements?  Make the whole thing cheaper for you to not have to supply the knob and we can use something that we all have kicking around anyway....

Excellent idea!  And they're easily removable sans any tools.  Is the stud length short enough to work with both ends of your support plate?  Or will it go through?
Hrrm... I suppose I could get up off my keister and go measure 'em...

Does anyone use the knobs with the clamping elements?
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« Reply #51 on: June 16, 2010, 09:31 PM »

Since I'll be buying one too, if it becomes available, might I suggest tapping the hole to the same thread as the Festool knobs so that we can all use the otherwise useless knobs that came with our clamping elements?  Make the whole thing cheaper for you to not have to supply the knob and we can use something that we all have kicking around anyway....

Excellent idea!  And they're easily removable sans any tools.  Is the stud length short enough to work with both ends of your support plate?  Or will it go through?
Hrrm... I suppose I could get up off my keister and go measure 'em...

Does anyone use the knobs with the clamping elements?

Just the first time... Smile
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« Reply #52 on: June 16, 2010, 10:05 PM »

Excellent idea!  And they're easily removable sans any tools.  Is the stud length short enough to work with both ends of your support plate?  Or will it go through?
Hrrm... I suppose I could get up off my keister and go measure 'em...

Does anyone use the knobs with the clamping elements?

Just the first time... Smile

Yea, like you can remember the first time...   Blink
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« Reply #53 on: June 16, 2010, 10:27 PM »

Excellent idea!  And they're easily removable sans any tools.  Is the stud length short enough to work with both ends of your support plate?  Or will it go through?
Hrrm... I suppose I could get up off my keister and go measure 'em...

Does anyone use the knobs with the clamping elements?

Just the first time... Smile

Yea, like you can remember the first time...   Blink

What were we talking about... Huh?
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Yea, like you can remember the first time...   Blink

What were we talking about... Huh?

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 Doh!       Oh yea, the single M8 x 1.25 threaded hole sound great!
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« Reply #55 on: June 17, 2010, 11:55 AM »

Does anyone use the knobs with the clamping elements?

What for? It is too much work to reach under the table to use them  Tongue Out
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« Reply #56 on: June 17, 2010, 12:01 PM »

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Does anyone use the knobs with the clamping elements?

To be honest: I can't even remember getting them with my clamping elements...... ?
So I guess I can truthfully say I've never used them.


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« Reply #57 on: June 17, 2010, 12:44 PM »

I've actually used the knobs a couple of times when the clamping element wanted to tilt up away from the table as I clamped a piece, but that's very rare.

I'd be interested in one of your plates if you do a run.

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« Reply #58 on: June 18, 2010, 12:03 PM »

I did some re-figuring & I can make & sell the sole plates for (EDIT JULY 14) $38.50 ea.+ $4.95 postage.   I'll proceed to make a batch with the M8x1.25 threaded hole for the clamp element knobs. The plywood current standard thickness of 1/2" ply is 31/64" (.484") and the standard for 3/4" ply is 23/32" (.718").  Even if using actual 1/2" thick material that only moves it off center ~.008".   It is probably a little more important to somewhat center the 4mm Domino tenons in the 1/2" stock than the 3/4" material.
After I have a batch ready to mail I'll post the PayPal information & how to order.  Any other questions?
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« Reply #59 on: June 18, 2010, 12:21 PM »

Awesome, Ron!


Just to clarify from your last post:
The 1/2" side will be intended to center on 1/2" ply (undersized, as you stated.. usually 31/64ths).

The 3/4" side will, however, be intended to center on actual 0.75" material.

Is this correct?

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