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Title: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: jools on August 25, 2017, 01:18 AM
There have been several threads on mobile devices to allow the drilling of angled holes. This device seems a step up in quality from the cheaper versions

https://knowledge.axminster.co.uk/ujk-technology-drill-guide/?utm_source=bm23&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Image+-+New+UJK+Technology+Drill+Guide&utm_content=Drill+perfect+holes+without+a+pillar+drill&utm_campaign=17wk32jh1+UJK+Technology+Drill+Guide
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: Naildrivingman on August 25, 2017, 04:58 AM
I have a similar version. I haven't used it much, but my recollection is that it is a great workaround when a drill press isn't practical or convenient.
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: Scorpion on August 25, 2017, 08:16 AM
Growing up I remember seeing one of these under my dads workbench.  He had only necessary tools given the times.   It nicely enabled him to drill holes drill-press style without having a drill-press.  This unit looks a lot nicer than the one he had.  Recalling his usage issues, the biggest challenge was keeping the unit in place as you're drilling the angled hole.  If you can clamp it to the object it works well.  If you think you'll hold it in place with that handle I suspect it'll end up where my father left his (under the bench).

Since I don't need to be mobile, this is one of the tools I just have no desire to own..


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Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: mattmass on August 25, 2017, 08:43 AM
I have a similar style guide, which I've used a bunch. It has tons of slop, and also also vibrates quite badly while in use. I would really love a press, but I just don't have the room. I suppose a guide is better than nothing, but mine is definitely not great.

This one looks nice and solid. The clamping/attachment options are also interesting. That's something I've struggled with as well, particularly when using at angles. And, a centrotec-compatible shank really adds to the convenience. Would prefer a ratcheting chuck, though.

I'd love to give it a shot - any one know if it is available in NA?
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: ben_r_ on August 25, 2017, 10:37 AM
Coming to the US via Lee Valley?
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: Dovetail65 on August 25, 2017, 10:45 AM
I have a similar style guide, which I've used a bunch. It has tons of slop, and also also vibrates quite badly while in use. I would really love a press, but I just don't have the room. I suppose a guide is better than nothing, but mine is definitely not great.

This one looks nice and solid. The clamping/attachment options are also interesting. That's something I've struggled with as well, particularly when using at angles. And, a centrotec-compatible shank really adds to the convenience. Would prefer a ratcheting chuck, though.

I'd love to give it a shot - any one know if it is available in NA?

If its the one from Rockler I have it and yeah it's very sloppy, I can free hand as well.

I would love to check this version out, it looks solid!
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: clark_fork on August 25, 2017, 01:40 PM
 Lots of choices:

http://wonderfulengineering.com/10-best-drill-guide-systems/

but I get good results for non-angled holes from Big Gator

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Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: Dovetail65 on August 25, 2017, 03:23 PM
The only one on that list worth buying is big gator, I have tried them all and still own at least 3 of those models.
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: ben_r_ on August 25, 2017, 06:45 PM
Lots of choices:

http://wonderfulengineering.com/10-best-drill-guide-systems/

but I get good results for non-angled holes from Big Gator

(Attachment Link)
I use one of those myself. Simple and good product.
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: Cheese on August 25, 2017, 07:33 PM
Make it 4 for Big Gator...I also have their ANSI tap guide, it's slick.  [cool]
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: Cheese on August 26, 2017, 08:25 AM
FWIW...just noticed that Big Gator is having a 11% off sale on all of their guides.

http://www.shop.biggatortools.com/Standard-V-DrillGuide-1-8-3-8-STD1000DGNP-STD1000DGNP.htm

If you purchase these guides from Woodcraft, they come just mounted on a card, however if you purchase these from Big Gator directly, they come in a nice plastic storage case. The same style case that precision tooling is packaged in.
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: rst on August 26, 2017, 08:34 AM
Thanks for the heads up regarding Big Gator...just ordered the two sets going from 1/8 - 1/2.  I should have had them the last two days as I installed two steel entrances and they would have been mush better than the eyeball and square method for installing the hardware.   [unsure]
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: deepcreek on August 26, 2017, 09:23 AM
Be sure to check Amazon for Big Gator drill guides.  They're less expensive there.
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: tazprime38 on August 30, 2017, 02:08 PM
I have a similar guide to the gator one but is a type of plastic with steel inserts.

Anyone know of a supplier for those type of plastic storage tubes as I need some preferably in the UK? What is thete proper name so maybe I could do a search?
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: Cheese on August 30, 2017, 02:31 PM
Google Beckett Packaging or

End mill storage
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: VW MICK on August 30, 2017, 03:00 PM
That looks nice.very handy

Is it available in woodpeckers red though

Mick
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: tazprime38 on August 30, 2017, 08:32 PM
Google Beckett Packaging or

End mill storage

Cheese , thank you. Just what I was looking for. Now I have to see if I can buy from them without the minimum quantities😕
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: Cheese on August 31, 2017, 08:51 AM
Cheese , thank you. Just what I was looking for. Now I have to see if I can buy from them without the minimum quantities😕

Ya, the Beckett Packaging info was just to get you heading in the right direction. The real issue as you've stated, is finding a source to purchase small quantities.  [tongue]
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: Kevin D. on September 01, 2017, 08:58 AM
Coming to the US via Lee Valley?

It's already been here for a few years now.  Made by MilesCraft.

http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=73237&cat=1,180,42311

I bought one a few years ago when it came out and have used it a few times.  It works fine.
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: ben_r_ on September 01, 2017, 02:28 PM
Coming to the US via Lee Valley?

It's already been here for a few years now.  Made by MilesCraft.

http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=73237&cat=1,180,42311

I bought one a few years ago when it came out and have used it a few times.  It works fine.
Ive seen that one before but that one definitely doesnt look as well built as the UJK one.
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: Kevin D. on September 01, 2017, 02:51 PM
Probably not, but I've been cautious when using it and it has been fine for me thus far.
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: TSO Products on September 01, 2017, 03:22 PM
There have been several threads on mobile devices to allow the drilling of angled holes. This device seems a step up in quality from the cheaper versions

https://knowledge.axminster.co.uk/ujk-technology-drill-guide/?utm_source=bm23&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Image+-+New+UJK+Technology+Drill+Guide&utm_content=Drill+perfect+holes+without+a+pillar+drill&utm_campaign=17wk32jh1+UJK+Technology+Drill+Guide

look for this UJK Drill Guide accessory at TSO Products along with the UJK ParfGuide System sometime later next month (October).

Hans
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: Rusty Miller on September 01, 2017, 05:37 PM
Sure hope you're not pulling our leg @Hans Especially about the Parf Guide System!


Rusty
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: TSO Products on September 02, 2017, 09:00 PM
Sure hope you're not pulling our leg @Hans Especially about the Parf Guide System!


Rusty
@Rusty Miller  - no, we're certainly not pulling anyone's leg.
We're bringing in an opening quantity of stock, selling first come - first served after announcement on TSO Insider and here on the FOG.
Customer response will determine our future stock levels, as you would expect. Neither of these items are high production volume so we generally encounter some lead time before our stock orders are shipped to us from the UK.

Hans
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: Rusty Miller on September 03, 2017, 08:29 AM
Thanks Han!  Put me down for one of the first Parf Guides you get!!

Rusty
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: TSO Products on September 03, 2017, 12:19 PM
@Rusty Miller - you're on "THE LIST" for a ParfGuide.
please email your contact information to
info@tsoproducts.com

thanks
Hans
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: Bob D. on September 03, 2017, 01:44 PM
I am looking forward to one of Peter's in-depth product reviews of the new UJK Drill Guide.
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: Holmz on September 04, 2017, 08:30 AM
How long do people wait?
The Mafell BST and the powered version have been around a long time, and the Protools version probably a decade or more.

These are not new concepts...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bllSAEj3qLc
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: tazprime38 on September 19, 2017, 08:41 PM
Went to the local Axminster store in High Wycombe to check this ukj drill guide out on Saturday.

Sadly there were none in stock as they have been recalled due to a part breaking from a casting issue. The part is being redesigned so casting will not cause issues.

Was told it could be around three months before the new stock  come in.

I think a side fence like a router's parallel side fence would be a cool improvement to enable drilling preset distances from an edge that is repeatable. This would be beneficial for euro cam and dowel fittings and hinge drilling to name a few.
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: neilc on September 19, 2017, 09:46 PM
I ordered and received one a couple of weeks back.  It's probably the best drill guide that I have found.  Really rigid and nicely made.

I had an older, but similarly capable one years ago  but it required removal of the chuck on the drill.  This one works with the Centrotec adapter and is really handy when you want accuracy but can't bring the piece to the drill press.

With shipping and the exchange rate, I think the cost was about $155.

You could easily add a fence / measuring setup with a wooden base screwed to the bottom, since it comes with predrilled holes for adapting to a base.

Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: Bob D. on September 19, 2017, 09:48 PM
The option of a fence would be a nice addition.
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: tazprime38 on September 20, 2017, 05:19 AM
Maybe @Peter Parfitt can suggest to UKJ Axminster about incorporating a fence for the drill jig?
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: Bob D. on September 20, 2017, 04:39 PM
Maybe @Peter Parfitt can suggest to UKJ Axminster about incorporating a fence for the drill jig?

Possibly. Peter has been quiet of late. I bet he is head first into another of his excellent video productions, maybe on this very drill guide.
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: Bob D. on September 23, 2017, 06:41 AM
Looking online for more information about the UJK Drill Guide I came across this.

A drill guide with a vacuum base which could fit some special needs. The price is
a little steep I think but hey if you need it you need it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl67YgBthAs
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: Cheese on September 23, 2017, 08:12 AM

A drill guide with a vacuum base which could fit some special needs. The price is
a little steep I think but hey if you need it you need it.


Interesting...especially that they show it adhered to diamond plate and a textured ceiling.  [eek]  $278
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: ben_r_ on September 23, 2017, 02:31 PM
Oh, love the idea of having a vacuum base on a drill guide! Very cool!
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: Bob D. on September 23, 2017, 04:27 PM
Oh, love the idea of having a vacuum base on a drill guide! Very cool!

Yeah, but is it $275 worth of cool ???
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: TSO Products on September 23, 2017, 04:43 PM
I have a similar style guide, which I've used a bunch. It has tons of slop, and also also vibrates quite badly while in use. I would really love a press, but I just don't have the room. I suppose a guide is better than nothing, but mine is definitely not great.

This one looks nice and solid. The clamping/attachment options are also interesting. That's something I've struggled with as well, particularly when using at angles. And, a centrotec-compatible shank really adds to the convenience. Would prefer a ratcheting chuck, though.

I'd love to give it a shot - any one know if it is available in NA?

TSO Products will have it in stock by mid October - first-come-first-served and with money back satisfaction guarantee  [smile]
email us if you want to be notified: info@tsoproducts.com

Hans and Eric
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: ben_r_ on September 23, 2017, 05:28 PM
Oh, love the idea of having a vacuum base on a drill guide! Very cool!

Yeah, but is it $275 worth of cool ???
Products with vacuum bases like that are always expensive. A 5"x5" or so vacuum plate from say Lee Valley or eBay is going to run about $60-70 on it's own. I guess with all the metal and custom milled parts yea $200-300 is to be expected. Not worth it for me, but its not like theres that many options around.
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: Bob D. on September 23, 2017, 06:51 PM
I can think of a number of times over the years I could have used
one of these on jobs where most stuff is stainless steel and a mag
drill will not work. We've come up with ways around it but this would
be a better and possibly faster solution.

Couldn't use the venturi vacuum though, would have to use a vacuum
pump for the jobs I am thinking of because they couldn't tolerate the
exhaust air stirring up particles and creating airborne contamination in
clean areas or inside control cabinets.
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: Cheese on September 24, 2017, 09:16 AM
...where most stuff is stainless steel and a mag drill will not work.

...because they couldn't tolerate the exhaust air stirring up particles and creating airborne contamination in
clean areas or inside control cabinets.

Wafer fab cleanroom?
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: Bob D. on September 24, 2017, 09:40 AM
No. Nuclear facility. They like to keep their radioactive particles
right where they are. When they get stirred up its a problem.
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: adcolor on September 27, 2017, 10:50 AM
I suspect an inquiry and test on their part would find it works both ways. Easy enough to put a vacuum pump on it.
Pressure is pressure -- just matters what side the needle moves to.

Festool makes that plastic drill vacuum fixture.  Works great.  Not a guide, but if you already center punched the reference hole, it would be what you need.
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: Cheese on September 27, 2017, 10:57 AM
They like to keep their radioactive particles
right where they are. When they get stirred up its a problem.

 [big grin] [big grin] Ya that's an understatement...
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: Michael Kellough on September 27, 2017, 12:58 PM
I suspect an inquiry and test on their part would find it works both ways. Easy enough to put a vacuum pump on it.
Pressure is pressure -- just matters what side the needle moves to.

Festool makes that plastic drill vacuum fixture.  Works great.  Not a guide, but if you already center punched the reference hole, it would be what you need.

Actually they don't make it just re badge it. Notice the price is about half what it would be if Festool designed and manufactured the thing (compoare to similar sized vac fittings)
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: rst on September 27, 2017, 05:33 PM
Hear ya Mr. D...that stirring up of particles is what got Russia and Japan in trouble.   [blink]
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: AxminsterTools on October 05, 2017, 04:04 AM
Hi Everyone,

Due to unprecedented demand the UJK Drill Guide is temporarily out of stock and has been removed from the website. We are working hard to manufacture new drill guides and as soon as the new stock is ready the guides will be relisted.

Please note on some of the drill guides there has been a small durability issue with the shaft. This has been fixed with the latest production. All customers who have bought a drill guide will be sent a replacement part even if they have not experienced an issue.

If you have any questions however please let us know.

Thanks

Axminster
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: Steven Owen on October 25, 2017, 05:11 PM
I have a similar style guide, which I've used a bunch. It has tons of slop, and also also vibrates quite badly while in use. I would really love a press, but I just don't have the room. I suppose a guide is better than nothing, but mine is definitely not great.

This one looks nice and solid. The clamping/attachment options are also interesting. That's something I've struggled with as well, particularly when using at angles. And, a centrotec-compatible shank really adds to the convenience. Would prefer a ratcheting chuck, though.

I'd love to give it a shot - any one know if it is available in NA?

If its the one from Rockler I have it and yeah it's very sloppy, I can free hand as well.

I would love to check this version out, it looks solid!

The one on Rockler is the cheap Chinese knock-off made by General International. This is the high quality drilling guide from UKJ with the brass knobs to boot.  UJK is all about near CNC percsion in anything they design.
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: Bob D. on October 25, 2017, 08:34 PM
Hi Everyone,

Due to unprecedented demand the UJK Drill Guide is temporarily out of stock and has been removed from the website. We are working hard to manufacture new drill guides and as soon as the new stock is ready the guides will be relisted.

Please note on some of the drill guides there has been a small durability issue with the shaft. This has been fixed with the latest production. All customers who have bought a drill guide will be sent a replacement part even if they have not experienced an issue.

If you have any questions however please let us know.

Thanks

Axminster

Thank you for the update on the drill guide. It is great to have all the companies here on the FOG that do not shy away from communicating with the customers and stand behind their products. Service and support after the sale plays a significant role in my purchase decisions.

I have been looking for a decent drill guide for some time and when this one was first announced and I saw it in action I was sold. When they become available again I will be looking to purchase either direct from Axminster or through LV if they choose to carry it.
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: TSO Products on October 25, 2017, 11:37 PM
TSO now has limited stock of the UJK Drill Guide - a beautiful piece of equipment - and  we will ship them in the order in which we received customer requests.

As you know Axminster /UJK has stopped further shipments until improved parts are available.
We expect to know more by January and will, of course, report promptly.

Hans and Eric
Title: Re: Drill Perfect Holes With The New UJK Technology Drill Guide
Post by: tazprime38 on October 28, 2017, 07:50 PM
I ordered and received one a couple of weeks back.  It's probably the best drill guide that I have found.  Really rigid and nicely made.

I had an older, but similarly capable one years ago  but it required removal of the chuck on the drill.  This one works with the Centrotec adapter and is really handy when you want accuracy but can't bring the piece to the drill press.

With shipping and the exchange rate, I think the cost was about $155.

You could easily add a fence / measuring setup with a wooden base screwed to the bottom, since it comes with predrilled holes for adapting to a base.

That is good to know neilc. Can't  wait to get one.