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Offline Mr_Mod

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Re: Everything you wanted to know about Plug-Its conversions (USA Version)
« Reply #30 on: November 29, 2014, 05:37 AM »
Thanks for all the great information, I have wanted to change some of my dewalt and porter cable tools to plug it ends, and this information helps greatly. But i do have one question.
For the 491144 plug it conversion-kit, in the seventh and eighth picture it shows screws holding the pigtail together, is it possible to take the screws out and change the green wire to part of the original cord on my other tools? Or is the pigtail not able to be taken apart like the ends on a factory plug it cord?

Thanks
You can take the conversion kit apart, however the green cable is moulded into the actual terminal block and crimped onto the brass ferrules making it exceedingly impossible to attach your own cable.
It would be wonderful if Festool sold it just like a standard connector where you could insert a wire that has been crimped onto a terminal.
These Plug it kits were removed from sale in Australia, as we are supposedly have to use a licenced electrician to do electrical work. [eek] ::) [scared]

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OK, to boil it all down it sounds like 491144 is what I would need to cut the tail off of my other manufacturer tool to use it with my boom arm setup all nice and neat like. Current conversion rates are about $20 for that number.

If that's correct, I'd just have to find a source.

That number is fine, as is 491145. The only difference is the length of the cord provided (360mm vs. 420mm) as explained in my initial post.
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OK, to boil it all down it sounds like 491144 is what I would need to cut the tail off of my other manufacturer tool to use it with my boom arm setup all nice and neat like. Current conversion rates are about $20 for that number.

If that's correct, I'd just have to find a source.

That number is fine, as is 491145. The only difference is the length of the cord provided (360mm vs. 420mm) as explained in my initial post.

Thanks. Wanted the cord as short as possible to mimic the action with the already green tools.

You're welcome!

Just pay attention to where the switch is on the tools versus where the cord exits the tool, so you don't end up with a cord that is too short to work.
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Offline mwildt

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example: Like a dust collector where the cord enters in the back of the unit but the switch is on the front. In that case the short 'pig tail' they come with could be too short. Having multiple connections within a tool should be avoided I'd say the message is.

Offline mwildt

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The plugit cord is molded to the plugit connector as I understand it. So if you do not want to open the tool to connect the 'pigtail' then yes you would have to splice it. Cut the original cord and connect it to the pigtail. Down side here is that you have a connection exposed like a 'fixed' extension cord. That could be prone to failure and potentially dangerous. Of course you could put a 120v female connector on the pigtail, but that is not the intent of Festool so they may object and remove this post.

If you're firm on wanting to do this and electrically experienced then I would open the tool so it's installed as intended. That way you can convert back when you want to sell the tool.

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I'm more confused now than ever.

Let me try...

The Plug-It pigtail is intended to TOTALLY REPLACE the cord that is currently connected to the tool. The idea is to make an electrical connection internal to the tool, and have the Plug-It at the outside of the tool,  ideally routed through the existing strain relief. You would, of course, have to take the tool apart to do this but that is not usually too difficult.

If you choose to cut the cord and attach it, you will have a ugly splice of some kind.

Make more sense?

E;ectrically it would
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Offline David Werkheiser

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For those of you thinking about converting, think twice. I converted 3 tools (Bosch 3" planer, Fein and RAS115) and am about to change them back. I find the Plug-it to be large and a real pain, on the RAS115 it keeps hanging up on the work when you are moving fast. On tools that have a top (high? ETS150) connection and keep the connector tight to the strain boot it might work.
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Offline Holmz

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I recently picked up 3 of the "Plug-it" pig tails and plan to convert: RAS 115, Fein multitool and Bosch 3" planer.
My question is the wires on the plug-it are brown and blue and when I open up the tools the wires are white and black; what colors match up?

In Europe en Germany where all Festools are made, the colours are the same as Bohdan says: brown is active, blue is neutral.

Wires inside double insulated powertools don't have to follow the same rules as set for the mains net ( I think).

It also doesn't matter, with alternating current the polarity constantly changes so the same wire is at one time plus and then minus. This means you don't have to connect a specific colour to another, either one is good. When you plug the cord in the mains socket, there are two ways to do it, because you can flip the plug over, and it makes no difference.

European colour codes are not valid in America anyway.

Just had a looksie inside a couple of my Festools, and almost all wires inside are black. Only the ones coming from the electronics board are red, and the two coming from the plug-it socket are both brown. Sorry, I had no camera at hand.

^This makes NAINA an option with 220v^
The Euro colours work in Australia. The only issue is when I think of ACDC's back in Black, I think it should be 'back through the blue'.
Conceptually the 220v US works like the Eu 230, but in a push pull on each side... The double insulted stuff just works.


Leaving off a ground is probably safer as either way blue/blue or blue/black works. There is a 1/3 chance someone would hook a green to a blue or black. But perhaps it would help for a ground path for static if the ground was hooked up.

Offline HunterL

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I've read through this post and have a question: If I buy Festools IN GERMANY where I temporarily live, when I move back to the US can I use this method to "convert" to US plugs or am I better off using transformers or plug adapters back in the US?

Offline Alex

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I've read through this post and have a question: If I buy Festools IN GERMANY where I temporarily live, when I move back to the US can I use this method to "convert" to US plugs or am I better off using transformers or plug adapters back in the US?

You will need a step down transformer, the Plug-It cord does not change the tool's voltage.

Offline HunterL

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Okay thanks, so if I'm using a dust extractor with the tool power port (European) then I could likely get away with the one step down transformer for the extractor then just use the extractor power port for the tool?

Offline dodong

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Okay thanks, so if I'm using a dust extractor with the tool power port (European) then I could likely get away with the one step down transformer for the extractor then just use the extractor power port for the tool?

unless I'm hugely mistaken you will need a 110 to 220 transformer and not a step down transformer.
(germany = 220V / US = 110V)

yes, if you put the transfo before the extractor, you can use the extractor as power unit for the tool.

Offline Alex

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Okay thanks, so if I'm using a dust extractor with the tool power port (European) then I could likely get away with the one step down transformer for the extractor then just use the extractor power port for the tool?

Yes, that's correct. To run both a tool and vac of one transformer requires a beefy one though.

I'd consider selling your german tools off and buy them new in America. Fiddling with a transformer gets really old very quickly.
« Last Edit: August 27, 2016, 04:06 AM by Alex »

Offline dodong

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If I buy Festools IN GERMANY where I temporarily live, when I move back to the US can I use this method to "convert" to US plugs or am I better off using transformers or plug adapters back in the US?

Germany is 220v, USA is 110v, so it's called a step down transformer.

he's buying the tools in Germany, and wants to use them in the US... you need 110>220.
If he bought the tools in the US and wants to use them in Germany then you need a stepdown transfo.
« Last Edit: August 27, 2016, 04:06 AM by dodong »

Offline Alex

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dodong, yes, you are correct. Step UP it is.

Offline HunterL

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Unless there's a way to buy American tools here in Germany... it's just a hard chance to pass up since I can buy without the 19% VAT so we're talking hundreds of dollars off the US prices.

Offline Bohdan

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See if you can get the 110v tools designed for the British market or check on the British prices for them.

Offline Gregor

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See if you can get the 110v tools designed for the British market or check on the British prices for them.

British is 220V also (at least it was 3 months ago), just a different plug.

Offline Bohdan

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See if you can get the 110v tools designed for the British market or check on the British prices for them.

British is 220V also (at least it was 3 months ago), just a different plug.

I meant for the British market that is forced to work with 110v on construction sites.

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Re: Everything you wanted to know about Plug-Its conversions (USA Version)
« Reply #49 on: November 26, 2016, 02:27 PM »
Quickie plug-it adapter for 110V non-Festool's:





Took maybe 10-15 minutes to wire up yesterday, already used it once today.



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Re: Everything you wanted to know about Plug-Its conversions (USA Version)
« Reply #50 on: November 26, 2016, 03:05 PM »
Nice and simple, I like it! And I like it for the guys that just dont want to cut the tool extension cord, but for me the tool extension just gets in the way and it defeats the purpose of the system.


With the Festool pigtails  so readily available in the USA now just clip the cord a few inches from the end of the tool, put on the pigtail and call it a day. Or buy a socket and just put it right on the router, cost about 6.00.
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Re: Everything you wanted to know about Plug-Its conversions (USA Version)
« Reply #51 on: November 26, 2016, 03:17 PM »
Yep, the adapter is clumsy, but it was intended for limited ad-hock use. Basically I had the parts sitting around. I've converted a PC sander and my RAS 115 using pigtails.

@Dovetail65 do you have P/N for the readily available USA pigtails/sockets? Back when I got mine I had to have them smuggled in from the UK...

Thanks,

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Nice and simple, I like it! And I like it for the guys that just dont want to cut the tool extension cord, but for me the tool extension just gets in the way and it defeats the purpose of the system.


With the Festool pigtails  so readily available in the USA now just clip the cord a few inches from the end of the tool, put on the pigtail and call it a day. Or buy a socket and just put it right on the router, cost about 6.00.
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Re: Everything you wanted to know about Plug-Its conversions (USA Version)
« Reply #52 on: November 26, 2016, 03:23 PM »
@Dovetail65 do you have P/N for the readily available USA pigtails/sockets? Back when I got mine I had to have them smuggled in from the UK...

Thanks,

RMW

Yeah, I'd like to know the part number as well. I had to have a buddy in the UK send me some and as far as I know, the conversion kits were supposedly being discontinued over there too.

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Re: Everything you wanted to know about Plug-Its conversions (USA Version)
« Reply #53 on: November 26, 2016, 03:37 PM »
email me
The one who says it can't be done should avoid interrupting the person doing it.

Offline ben_r_

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Great thread an very informative! It really is too bad they discontinued these!
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Offline gnlman

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Yeesh...I was planning of buying a couple of these to convert a tool and update my rs2...guess I shouldn't have procrastinated....
« Last Edit: April 06, 2017, 12:24 AM by gnlman »

Offline ben_r_

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Yeesh...I was planning of buying a couple of these to convert a tool and update my rs2...guess I shouldn't have procrastinated....
There are currently two left in the Classifieds section. Someone listed 3 for sale and I bought one from him.
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Offline plasticam

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Hello, I'm looking for one of these for my Mafell MT55cc....   Anyone???  [big grin]

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Hello, I'm looking for one of these for my Mafell MT55cc....   Anyone???  [big grin]
Believe there is still a couple listed in the Classified section.
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Offline gnlman

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HI. I've tried contacting the member with the plug its and have not heard back from him....
I ended up having to order one from Amazon France, as they were the only place I could find that would ship to NA....and then after all that it shipped from Germany...lol anyway if you have to order it, this will hopefully save you some time...I think shipped it was about 35 euros.
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