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Offline jbasen

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Fein Table-Top and Drill Jigs Support with Vecturo
« on: July 26, 2017, 10:11 PM »
Does anyone know if the Fein Table-Top and Drill Jigs Support (part # 9 26 02 083 01 0) is compatible with the Vecturo.  If not, is there an alternate solution for making precision vertical cuts with a Vecturo in the way the Fein Adapter allows you to plunge the tool with a drill press stand?

Here is a link to the item on the Fein web site:

https://fein.com/en_uk/oscillators/accessories/general-accessories/table-top-and-drill-jigs-support-order-no-9-26-02-083-01-0/

Thanks in advance for the help

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Offline jbasen

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Re: Fein Table-Top and Drill Jigs Support with Vecturo
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2017, 03:10 PM »
I've had 341 views but nobody seems to know the answer to my question.   :'(

I also tried contacting Klingspor; one of the few companies I could find that is both a Festool dealer and carried the Fein Table-Top and Drill Jigs Support.  All I got back them was a quote straight from their lawyer.  "Festool does not support or condone using third party accessories, Blah, Blah, Blah."  Totally worthless.  [mad]

Does anyone know which Fein Supercut model the Vecturo is?  Then I can simply contact Fein to see if that Supercut model works with the Fein accessory I'm interested in.  There are multiple Supercut Construction models and also the Supercut Automotive line.  My guess is that it is the F.S.C 2.0 Q but I'd like to make sure.

Thanks




Offline antss

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Re: Fein Table-Top and Drill Jigs Support with Vecturo
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2017, 03:43 PM »
You're going to get much the same answer.

Vecturo is a Vecturo , not a Supercut xxx.xxxx. So no one is likely tell you an exact matchy matchy for certain number.  That is a newish and rare accessory so it's unlikely that anyone has rolled the dice to do exactly what you're asking.

Maybe you can be the pioneer and do a write up here for those that follow.
« Last Edit: August 02, 2017, 09:30 AM by antss »

Offline JMe

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Re: Fein Table-Top and Drill Jigs Support with Vecturo
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2017, 09:12 AM »
jbasen,

try www.dm-tools.co.uk they also sell Fein and Festool

Hope that may help you

Jacques

Offline jbasen

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Re: Fein Table-Top and Drill Jigs Support with Vecturo
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2017, 07:33 PM »
Thanks.  I'm continuing to research this and will report back when I'm able to figure it out.

Offline jbasen

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Re: Fein Table-Top and Drill Jigs Support with Vecturo
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2017, 10:57 AM »
I believe that the Fein Table-Top and Drill Jigs Support can be used with a Vecturo though I haven't bought one yet to validate this.  There are 2 allen head screws on the Vecturo that hold the collar used for attaching the depth stop and plunge base attachments.  If you remove these 2 screws then the collar can be removed from the Vecturo.  I believe that the 2 threaded holes left on the Vecturo are the same as the holes on Multimaster and can be used to attach the  table-top and drill jigs support. 

Based on this I'll probably buy one of the Fein jigs later this fall and will then know for sure.

I also sent a message to Fein asking if the Supercut construction FSC 2.0 Q would work with the jig but never got a response.

Hope this helps.

Offline Nat X

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Re: Fein Table-Top and Drill Jigs Support with Vecturo
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2017, 02:42 AM »
All the Vecturo accessories fit perfectly on the corded, pre-Starlock Supercuts. They do not fit on the cordless or the Starlock models for various reasons, but I have a feeling the table mount would work on the Vecturo. It costs less than many Fein blades to try, so if you really need it, the worst that could happen is you sell it on eBay.

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: Fein Table-Top and Drill Jigs Support with Vecturo
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2017, 05:19 AM »
The Fein video of their "drill press" is really neat. I have the Vecturo with the plunge base. With a lot of care and some cleaver jigs, I can do the kind of cuts the Fein accessory enables. If Festool came out with a similar accessory, I'd be darned tempted.
Birdhunter

Offline ScotF

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Re: Fein Table-Top and Drill Jigs Support with Vecturo
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2017, 11:20 AM »
I have the table jig from Fein and it worked with the old and new versions of the MM. I think it works with the Supercut too since the allen screws are in the same position. So, be default I believe it would work with the Vecturo. It is a nice attachment to hold your OMT stationary. I use it for sanding in that mode, especially with small parts.

Now, it is difficult to find a drill stand in North America for whatever reason - I think Amazon might have some, but if you have a source for a good quality one I would be interested. I originally bought it to use in the way they show on the website but could not locate a suitable drill stand in the US.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Fein Table-Top and Drill Jigs Support with Vecturo
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2017, 11:52 AM »
Now, it is difficult to find a drill stand in North America for whatever reason - I think Amazon might have some, but if you have a source for a good quality one I would be interested. I originally bought it to use in the way they show on the website but could not locate a suitable drill stand in the US.

I've also looked for a good quality portable drill stand. The ones that caught my eye are made by Wabeco. They aren't that expensive I just wonder if they're available in the US. They also fit a 43mm drill collar.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2017, 10:43 AM by Cheese »

Offline jbasen

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Re: Fein Table-Top and Drill Jigs Support with Vecturo
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2017, 12:04 PM »
I have the table jig from Fein and it worked with the old and new versions of the MM. I think it works with the Supercut too since the allen screws are in the same position. So, be default I believe it would work with the Vecturo. It is a nice attachment to hold your OMT stationary. I use it for sanding in that mode, especially with small parts.

Now, it is difficult to find a drill stand in North America for whatever reason - I think Amazon might have some, but if you have a source for a good quality one I would be interested. I originally bought it to use in the way they show on the website but could not locate a suitable drill stand in the US.

Thanks for this information.  I have had to get some home improvement/repair projects done so this has been moved to the back burner for me, for the moment.  I'm, hoping to give it a try later this fall. 

I did find a bunch of compatible drill presses on eBay.  They were pretty cheap so I expect the quality isn't that high.  However, given that a multi-tool, even with this kind of setup, isn't going to be a precision instrument; the quality may be good enough. 

As I said, I hope to be able to get to this later in the fall and I'll be sure to post back what I find out. 

Thanks

Offline Bob D.

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Re: Fein Table-Top and Drill Jigs Support with Vecturo
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2017, 03:44 PM »
Is only part of this adapter used in the YT video to mount the Multimaster?

I don't see where the clamp and hand screw are used to connect this to the drill
stand. Who makes that particular drill stand anyway, does anyone recognize it?

Edit: Looking at this video it appears to be a Wolfcraft unit.



« Last Edit: September 06, 2017, 03:49 PM by Bob D. »
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Offline rst

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Re: Fein Table-Top and Drill Jigs Support with Vecturo
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2017, 05:25 PM »
Amazon...Wolfcraft 5027000...$288.00  I've used the Fein adaptor with my Makita portable drill press stand (doesn't seem to be available any more).  The problem with the Makita and most other low cost solutions is that there is no vertical guide to prevent the mechanism from turning on the column.  There also is deflection in the lowering guide assembly.  Not really great for precision work.

Offline antss

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Re: Fein Table-Top and Drill Jigs Support with Vecturo
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2017, 06:24 PM »
what are you guys gonna cut with this setup ?   I can't think of anything offhand that would make this worth the asking price. 

what's the maximum cut length, 65mm if you get one of the wide blades ? 

Offline Svar

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Re: Fein Table-Top and Drill Jigs Support with Vecturo
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2017, 06:55 PM »
what are you guys gonna cut with this setup ?   
Polygons or slots in plywood. With a thin blade even chop dovetails where you'd normally use chisel. Who knows. Always nice to have options.
« Last Edit: September 06, 2017, 07:14 PM by Svar »

Offline jbasen

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Re: Fein Table-Top and Drill Jigs Support with Vecturo
« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2017, 07:26 PM »
My goal is to start building rustic furniture out of hickory logs.  The first project I would like to tackle is a night stand something like this:

http://www.oldhickory.com/catalog/oh101.jpg

The drawer section needs to fit into the legs by cutting 90 degree cutouts out of the top portion of each leg.  I envision doing that by fitting the oscillating tool, with a wood cutting blade, into the drill press, clamping the hickory branch into place, and plunge cutting the oscillating tool.  Given the irregular nature of a hickory branch this is much more challenging than with standard lumber and plunging the oscillating tool in a drill press seems like a good approach to me. 

Offline Svar

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Re: Fein Table-Top and Drill Jigs Support with Vecturo
« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2017, 09:08 PM »
Due to the nature of the tool (vibrating) the stand needs to be sturdy. Something like Wabeco or Proxxon BFB2000. Is there any way to attach it to a regular drill press?

Offline antss

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Re: Fein Table-Top and Drill Jigs Support with Vecturo
« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2017, 07:10 AM »
what are you guys gonna cut with this setup ?   
Polygons or slots in plywood. With a thin blade even chop dovetails where you'd normally use chisel. Who knows. Always nice to have options.

Cut a lot of 65mm or smaller polygons in plywood do you ?

Slots would be more efficient with a router and a spiral bit.

Dovetails ? Perhaps, but the board length would be quite short.

Of course it's nice to have options, but the expense of this plus the drill stand far outweigh the "what if" and "would be nice" factors in my view. This setup only seems to make sense for the severely space challenged woodworker. Like someone in a studio or one bedroom apartment. And that has to be a very limited market.

This thing reminds me a lot of other Wolfcraft and Rockler products.  Clever solutions looking for a problem, or gee wiz gizmos that appeal to a wheel healed collector more than they serve a function not covered by some other tool. 

But I agree , choice is good. 

Offline Cheese

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Re: Fein Table-Top and Drill Jigs Support with Vecturo
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2017, 10:56 AM »
Here's a Wabeco on eBay with a vise for only $185.   [big grin]

They want $160 for the Wolfcraft without a vise.  [sad]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/131776728254

Offline Svar

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Re: Fein Table-Top and Drill Jigs Support with Vecturo
« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2017, 11:42 AM »
Cut a lot of 65mm or smaller polygons in plywood do you ?
You can cut any size polygon.
Dovetails ? Perhaps, but the board length would be quite short.
No, any size board.
Of course it's nice to have options, but the expense of this plus the drill stand far outweigh the "what if" and "would be nice" factors in my view.
It simply means YOU don't need one, but someone might as OP explained. People do all kinds of things and have variety of other circumstances. I don't judge them.
Besides, it's a drill stand, it has other uses. I use my Proxxon all the time. One of the best tool investments I ever made.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2017, 11:59 AM by Svar »

Offline ScotF

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Re: Fein Table-Top and Drill Jigs Support with Vecturo
« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2017, 08:50 PM »
It is a safer way to cut some small parts accurately. Sometimes trimming little pieces of wood or other parts that are hard to hold in one hand while using the OMT in the other.

Offline antss

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Re: Fein Table-Top and Drill Jigs Support with Vecturo
« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2017, 10:14 PM »
Cut a lot of 65mm or smaller polygons in plywood do you ?
You can cut any size polygon.


Dovetails ? Perhaps, but the board length would be quite short.
No, any size board.



Of course it's nice to have options, but the expense of this plus the drill stand far outweigh the "what if" and "would be nice" factors in my view.
It simply means YOU don't need one, but someone might as OP explained. People do all kinds of things and have variety of other circumstances. I don't judge them.
Besides, it's a drill stand, it has other uses. I use my Proxxon all the time. One of the best tool investments I ever made.


Not when your board starts to hit the post because it's too long.
Again I ask you or anyone else :  cutting a lot of polygons to make this useful ?


Gonna be difficult supporting decent sized boards when you place it on an angle like in the second picture. Of course you could rig up another support contraption.  But the are better solutions for dovetails.  Sure you could use this , but why ?  You could cut them by hand too. A tabletop CNC machine would be really useful for cutting dovetails too, but the market for that is pretty limited too.

I'm not judging , I'm simply asking who is this targeted for and what exactly would they use it for?  Have you ordered one of the Fein accessories? What are you going to use it for ?

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Re: Fein Table-Top and Drill Jigs Support with Vecturo
« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2017, 10:50 PM »
   I don't think it needs to have an exact use or targeted user.  I think it would be very useful for odd ball cuts when they come up. I don't have a list prepared in my memory to back up the following statement but  ............... I do know that this would have been useful on several occasions for cutting watchamacallits. 

   One of the reasons I have a Multimaster or Vecturo in the shop and also keep one in my site work kit is for those odd unplanned cuts that come up. Do I know ahead of time what that cut will be, ummm no. But when it happens the oscillating  multi-tool frequently saves my butt. Being able to use it in a stand falls into the same category. And especially at the price point.

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Offline jbasen

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Re: Fein Table-Top and Drill Jigs Support with Vecturo
« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2017, 05:19 PM »
I just wanted to followup on this thread that I started a while back.  I finally broke down and purchased one of the Fein adapters and it does fit the Vecturo without any issues.  Now to buy the drill press to go with it.  [smile]

Offline antss

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Re: Fein Table-Top and Drill Jigs Support with Vecturo
« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2017, 08:07 PM »
Got any pics of it in use ?

What are you cutting with it ?

Offline jbasen

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Re: Fein Table-Top and Drill Jigs Support with Vecturo
« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2017, 02:58 PM »
Sorry for the slow reply.  The email notification that someone had responded to the thread ended up in my junk folder.

I don't have any pictures yet (I have to wait for my wife to give this to me as a holiday gift).

The plan is to couple it with a 43mm drill press stand and use it to make plunge cuts on hickory branches to make rustic hickory furniture. 

Jay

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Re: Fein Table-Top and Drill Jigs Support with Vecturo
« Reply #26 on: December 14, 2017, 02:09 PM »
Good grief.  I just had a thought.  Kind of obvious.  What about a Domino in such a rig? 

It would be a cool mortising machine. 
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Offline jbasen

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Re: Fein Table-Top and Drill Jigs Support with Vecturo
« Reply #27 on: December 25, 2017, 03:29 PM »
Here is a photo of my setup.  Right now I'm just using a cheap 43mm drill stand from eBay.  I still have a ways to go to build a clamping system to hold a hickory log in place but the overall plunge system seems to work well enough for my purpose.  If the drill stand doesn't prove to be sturdy enough, I can easily upgrade to something more rigid as it was under $20 on eBay. 

If someone else is going to replicate this, make sure you get a drill stand with the side drill mount in addition to the front mount.  To get the correct orientation of the Vecturo I had to use the side mount and cut away the front mount for clearance.


Offline Cheese

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Re: Fein Table-Top and Drill Jigs Support with Vecturo
« Reply #28 on: December 25, 2017, 10:49 PM »
I like it...as Seth said, I don’t have a specific need for it but it certainly seems like it would fit the bill for that quirky application or two. You’re not going to use it every day, but then again you don’t use the Fein everyday. At least I don’t.

As far as clamping logs down to process them, have you considered adapting a chain vise that’s used on Ridgid threading machines or on Milwaukee band saw tables? It could be attached to the left or right of your Vecturo. It will handle all sizes and shapes of logs and you could pad the chain to prevent it from damaging the bark/surface.

Offline jbasen

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Re: Fein Table-Top and Drill Jigs Support with Vecturo
« Reply #29 on: December 25, 2017, 10:59 PM »
Thanks.  The chain vise is an interesting idea.

The more I learn about building log furniture the more I find that you have to invent the tools you need.  An interesting challenge