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Offline Brent Taylor

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HK 55 ( or TS 55 ) ability to use 165 mm blades
« on: October 27, 2016, 11:05 AM »
If someone else has posted this question, just skip  my post. I use Makita's TS that runs a 165 mm blade, so it can cut through a 2 x 4, using a guide rail at 45 deg. bevel. So can a Festool 55 run a 16 mm blade or is there not the clearance ? And if not,  is the HK going to be released in NA in a 75,  to be able to cut a NA standard 2 x material. Thanks B.

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Offline jimbo51

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Re: HK 55 ( or TS 55 ) ability to use 165 mm blades
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2016, 12:01 PM »
I will still go with the idea that Festool did a deal with Mafell to not allow the HK55 to have a 165mm blade. I have a simplistic belief that Festool could not make such a clear design error/decision for the NA market. Of course I also argued that the lack of a 20 amp switch on the CMS was not due to simple stubbornness on the part of Festool and I was told I was wrong by someone who claimed to have inside knowledge. 

However, if someone will test a 165 mm blade on an HK55, I would pay $10 to a fund in case the experiment goes really bad for the saw and it needs to be replaced.

Offline Svar

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Re: HK 55 ( or TS 55 ) ability to use 165 mm blades
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2016, 12:21 PM »
I will still go with the idea that Festool did a deal with Mafell to not allow the HK55 to have a 165mm blade.
Why would they do that?

Offline jimbo51

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Re: HK 55 ( or TS 55 ) ability to use 165 mm blades
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2016, 01:20 PM »
Maybe Mafell has some sort of patent that Festool could not get around. Thus they did a deal.

Offline Svar

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Re: HK 55 ( or TS 55 ) ability to use 165 mm blades
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2016, 01:49 PM »
Maybe Mafell has some sort of patent that Festool could not get around. Thus they did a deal.
Could be. It does look like they copied Mafell concept.

Offline itchy

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Re: HK 55 ( or TS 55 ) ability to use 165 mm blades
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2016, 01:52 PM »
If someone else has posted this question, just skip  my post. I use Makita's TS that runs a 165 mm blade, so it can cut through a 2 x 4, using a guide rail at 45 deg. bevel. So can a Festool 55 run a 16 mm blade or is there not the clearance ? And if not,  is the HK going to be released in NA in a 75,  to be able to cut a NA standard 2 x material. Thanks B.

I'm using the HK 55 EQ with the Dewalt 165mm (6 1/2") blade. Everything works well, the clearance is close but does not touch the housing (on my saw) you may have to either adjust the riving knife or remove it. Check for clearance before turning the saw on.

Offline Svar

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Re: HK 55 ( or TS 55 ) ability to use 165 mm blades
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2016, 02:01 PM »
you may have to either adjust the riving knife or remove it.
That will solve it! Is riving knife removable? I thought it was integrated with blade cover.
« Last Edit: October 27, 2016, 02:05 PM by Svar »

Offline itchy

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Re: HK 55 ( or TS 55 ) ability to use 165 mm blades
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2016, 02:07 PM »
you may have to either adjust the riving knife or remove it.
That will solve it! Is riving knife removable? I thought it is integrated with blade cover.

It's both removable and adjustable (in that there is some slack as you tighten the screw). Seeing as it's removable I guess they could provide a 2.2mm kerf riving knife.

Offline itchy

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Re: HK 55 ( or TS 55 ) ability to use 165 mm blades
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2016, 02:10 PM »
you may have to either adjust the riving knife or remove it.
That will solve it! Is riving knife removable? I thought it was integrated with blade cover.

Offline Svar

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Re: HK 55 ( or TS 55 ) ability to use 165 mm blades
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2016, 02:17 PM »
It's both removable and adjustable (in that there is some slack as you tighten the screw). Seeing as it's removable I guess they could provide a 2.2mm kerf riving knife.

Great! Thank you. You could probably make custom riving knife from a piece of aluminum.

Offline Mort

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Re: HK 55 ( or TS 55 ) ability to use 165 mm blades
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2016, 05:26 PM »
It's both removable and adjustable (in that there is some slack as you tighten the screw). Seeing as it's removable I guess they could provide a 2.2mm kerf riving knife.

Great! Thank you. You could probably make custom riving knife from a piece of aluminum.

I thought it was odd that with all the griping about the 45 degree cuts that no one thought to do this.

Actually, not having seen one in person, I thought the riving knife was integrated into the blade cover too.
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Offline Svar

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Re: HK 55 ( or TS 55 ) ability to use 165 mm blades
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2016, 05:41 PM »
I thought it was odd that with all the griping about the 45 degree cuts that no one thought to do this.
It was proposed in some older thread by several people, myself included. It just nobody knew if this would work.
165mm x 20mm blade are not hard to find.
I would also inspect clearance inside the housing. You don't want some splinters to get stuck inside.
After that, I guess, case closed.
« Last Edit: October 27, 2016, 05:44 PM by Svar »

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: HK 55 ( or TS 55 ) ability to use 165 mm blades
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2016, 07:09 PM »
Does the HK 55 actually cut all the way through a 2x4" board at 45* with the Dewalt 165mm blade?

Offline Cheese

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Re: HK 55 ( or TS 55 ) ability to use 165 mm blades
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2016, 07:52 PM »
Does the HK 55 actually cut all the way through a 2x4" board at 45* with the Dewalt 165mm blade?

I believe so, the only issue was that the one of the ends was cut cleanly, while the other end had a small nib attached. Not a big deal, but certainly an inconvenience.

Offline itchy

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Re: HK 55 ( or TS 55 ) ability to use 165 mm blades
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2016, 10:53 PM »
Does the HK 55 actually cut all the way through a 2x4" board at 45* with the Dewalt 165mm blade?

I will try it out tomorrow when I am back on the job site.

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: HK 55 ( or TS 55 ) ability to use 165 mm blades
« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2016, 11:04 PM »
Does the HK 55 actually cut all the way through a 2x4" board at 45* with the Dewalt 165mm blade?

Don't know anyone who has used the 165mm blade in the HK.

With the stock blade it leaves a nib.

Tom

Offline itchy

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Re: HK 55 ( or TS 55 ) ability to use 165 mm blades
« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2016, 11:25 PM »
Does the HK 55 actually cut all the way through a 2x4" board at 45* with the Dewalt 165mm blade?

Don't know anyone who has used the 165mm blade in the HK.

With the stock blade it leaves a nib.

Tom

I'm using a Dewalt 165mm blade in the HK 55 EQ I will try and 45 a 2x4 tomorrow and report back.

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: HK 55 ( or TS 55 ) ability to use 165 mm blades
« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2016, 11:29 PM »
Does the HK 55 actually cut all the way through a 2x4" board at 45* with the Dewalt 165mm blade?

Don't know anyone who has used the 165mm blade in the HK.

With the stock blade it leaves a nib.

Tom

I'm using a Dewalt 165mm blade in the HK 55 EQ I will try and 45 a 2x4 tomorrow and report back.

Thanks.

I'm in the process of purchasing an HK. The only reason I don't have one already is the 45º issue.

Tom

Offline itchy

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Re: HK 55 ( or TS 55 ) ability to use 165 mm blades
« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2016, 11:35 PM »
Does the HK 55 actually cut all the way through a 2x4" board at 45* with the Dewalt 165mm blade?

Don't know anyone who has used the 165mm blade in the HK.

With the stock blade it leaves a nib.

Tom



I'm using a Dewalt 165mm blade in the HK 55 EQ I will try and 45 a 2x4 tomorrow and report back.

Thanks.

I'm in the process of purchasing an HK. The only reason I don't have one already is the 45º issue.

Tom

Offline Rip Van Winkle

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Re: HK 55 ( or TS 55 ) ability to use 165 mm blades
« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2016, 04:50 AM »
I thought it was odd that with all the griping about the 45 degree cuts that no one thought to do this.
It was proposed in some older thread by several people, myself included. It just nobody knew if this would work.
165mm x 20mm blade are not hard to find.
I would also inspect clearance inside the housing. You don't want some splinters to get stuck inside.
After that, I guess, case closed.


165mm blades with a 20mm arbor may be easy to find in Europe, and some other markets, but they don't seem to be very easy to find in North America.

The Makita SP6000 is designed to use that size of blade, but makita only seems to sell the standard 48t blade in NA, without offering the other tooth configurations that are sold in other markets. When you search for blades for the makita, 160mm blades usually show up rather than 165mm blades, and common 6-1/2" blades have a smaller 5/8" arbor. There are some innexpensive 20mm arbor blades on Amazon, but most are not from higher end blade manufacturers I've heard of, and they're more likely lower cost chinese made blades.

Offline itchy

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Re: HK 55 ( or TS 55 ) ability to use 165 mm blades
« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2016, 11:41 AM »
Does the HK 55 actually cut all the way through a 2x4" board at 45* with the Dewalt 165mm blade?

Don't know anyone who has used the 165mm blade in the HK.

With the stock blade it leaves a nib.

Tom

Hi Tom,

Just tested the HK 55 EQ cutting through a 2x6 at 45 degrees with a dewalt 165mm blade installed. It cuts all the way through but it does leave slight fraying of the wood fibers definitely less than a nib of wood described previously, sometimes it's a completely clean cut. This was KD spruce framing lumber measuring actual 1 1/2" thickness. I struggled with the same decision, holding out on of it due to the 45 degree cutting depth issue. For me with the 165mm blade the cutting depth is acceptable. I would suggest not getting too caught up on the cutting depth at 45 degrees there are so many other applications that it excels at its not worth missing out on that because of cutting 45's in 2x lumber. With the 165mm blade 45's in 2x material are acceptable.



I'm using a Dewalt 165mm blade in the HK 55 EQ I will try and 45 a 2x4 tomorrow and report back.

Thanks.

I'm in the process of purchasing an HK. The only reason I don't have one already is the 45º issue.

Tom

Offline Samo

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Re: HK 55 ( or TS 55 ) ability to use 165 mm blades
« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2016, 12:12 PM »
Does the HK 55 actually cut all the way through a 2x4" board at 45* with the Dewalt 165mm blade?

Don't know anyone who has used the 165mm blade in the HK.

With the stock blade it leaves a nib.

Tom

I'm using a Dewalt 165mm blade in the HK 55 EQ I will try and 45 a 2x4 tomorrow and report back.

Thanks.

I'm in the process of purchasing an HK. The only reason I don't have one already is the 45º issue.

Tom

Looks like a possible solution? Would need a major blade manufacturer to produce a thin kerf framing blade for NA.

@tjbnwi Did you decide on the HK 55 or HKC 55?  My TSC 55 has spoiled me.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2016, 12:21 PM by Samo »

Offline Svar

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Re: HK 55 ( or TS 55 ) ability to use 165 mm blades
« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2016, 12:39 PM »
Looks like a possible solution? Would need a major blade manufacturer to produce a thin kerf framing blade for NA.
There is bunch on ebay with international shipping, in some cases free shipping.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: HK 55 ( or TS 55 ) ability to use 165 mm blades
« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2016, 01:13 PM »


Does this look like 45 degrees to anyone?

Offline Samo

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Re: HK 55 ( or TS 55 ) ability to use 165 mm blades
« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2016, 01:25 PM »
Hilti maybe?  Needs to be a good quality blade, 18-24 T, thin kerf and available in the US.

Offline Svar

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Re: HK 55 ( or TS 55 ) ability to use 165 mm blades
« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2016, 01:34 PM »
Does this look like 45 degrees to anyone?
Hard to tell from this angle. Why would you doubt? The OP said 45.

Offline itchy

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Re: HK 55 ( or TS 55 ) ability to use 165 mm blades
« Reply #26 on: October 28, 2016, 02:07 PM »


Does this look like 45 degrees to anyone?

It's definitely 45 it's just the angle of the photo. I was trying to show the remains of the wood fibers as the issue is does it cut all the way through.

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: HK 55 ( or TS 55 ) ability to use 165 mm blades
« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2016, 02:23 PM »
Does the HK 55 actually cut all the way through a 2x4" board at 45* with the Dewalt 165mm blade?

Don't know anyone who has used the 165mm blade in the HK.

With the stock blade it leaves a nib.

Tom

Hi Tom,

Just tested the HK 55 EQ cutting through a 2x6 at 45 degrees with a dewalt 165mm blade installed. It cuts all the way through but it does leave slight fraying of the wood fibers definitely less than a nib of wood described previously, sometimes it's a completely clean cut. This was KD spruce framing lumber measuring actual 1 1/2" thickness. I struggled with the same decision, holding out on of it due to the 45 degree cutting depth issue. For me with the 165mm blade the cutting depth is acceptable. I would suggest not getting too caught up on the cutting depth at 45 degrees there are so many other applications that it excels at its not worth missing out on that because of cutting 45's in 2x lumber. With the 165mm blade 45's in 2x material are acceptable.



I'm using a Dewalt 165mm blade in the HK 55 EQ I will try and 45 a 2x4 tomorrow and report back.

Thanks.

I'm in the process of purchasing an HK. The only reason I don't have one already is the 45º issue.

Tom

Thank you for taking the time to test this. Much appreciated.

Tom

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: HK 55 ( or TS 55 ) ability to use 165 mm blades
« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2016, 02:31 PM »
Does the HK 55 actually cut all the way through a 2x4" board at 45* with the Dewalt 165mm blade?

Don't know anyone who has used the 165mm blade in the HK.

With the stock blade it leaves a nib.

Tom

I'm using a Dewalt 165mm blade in the HK 55 EQ I will try and 45 a 2x4 tomorrow and report back.

Thanks.

I'm in the process of purchasing an HK. The only reason I don't have one already is the 45º issue.

Tom

Looks like a possible solution? Would need a major blade manufacturer to produce a thin kerf framing blade for NA.

@tjbnwi Did you decide on the HK 55 or HKC 55?  My TSC 55 has spoiled me.

I have the TSC also, great saw.

On this I'm leaning towards the corded due to cutting more framing type material. Then again I have 6 18 volt batteries.....
I have the HK and 165 blade in a shopping cart....I'm so confused (now I know how Bill feels ;D)

Tom

Offline Samo

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Re: HK 55 ( or TS 55 ) ability to use 165 mm blades
« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2016, 03:57 PM »
I'm definitely wanting to try both before I decide.  The weight, balance, and power differences.  But also, I need to consider the $47 plug-it cord on the rough frame job sites.   We go through a lot of 12 ga. extension cords and it gets a little radiculose.  [eek]