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Offline Paul Franklin

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Home made Sysports
« on: February 02, 2007, 12:57 PM »
Here are some pictures of the home made sysports I made. These pictures were on the Yahoo group, so I thought I would post them here.

Regards

Paul

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Offline Lou Miller

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Re: Home made Sysports
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2007, 02:01 PM »
Paul,

You don't have enough Festool gear, there's some open slots in there. :)

Offline Paul Franklin

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Re: Home made Sysports
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2007, 02:09 PM »
Lou

I will never have enough, although there are now 5 of them and the 5th is half full, that picture was taken a few years ago.

Paul

Offline Dave Ronyak

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Re: Home made Sysports
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2007, 02:40 PM »
Here are some pictures of the home made sysports I made. Regards

Paul

Paul,

Could you supply some details about the casters - what make and model and where to purchase?  They appear to have a convenient locking mechanism.  The drawer trays appear to be adjustable vertically - 32 mm system?.  What slides did you choose?
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Offline Paul Franklin

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Re: Home made Sysports
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2007, 09:36 PM »
Dave

The casters I actually got from ebay, I have a spare set somewhere, I will dig them out and get you the information. The trays are adjustable, I used the Festool 32mm system (LR32sys) it is a great product.
The slides are full extension slides that I go from Gliderite (www.gliderite.com) but Westlund has them also.

Regards

Paul

Offline Cynric Williams

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Re: Home made Sysports
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2007, 06:31 AM »
Here are some pictures of the home made sysports I made. These pictures were on the Yahoo group, so I thought I would post them here.

Regards

Paul
Thanks for posting, I was looking for this picture the other day and I couldn't remember where I had seen it!
I think it's a better solution for the workshop rather than joining and breaking a stack all the time

Offline bill-e

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Re: Home made Sysports
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2007, 09:01 AM »
Here's my version which was based off Paul's.

DIY Sysport

Paul used the LR32 Sys to space his drawers and I intended to do the same thing but found I couldn't since I used 3/4" plywood for the whole project.  If you're going to use the LR32 SYS you should use 1/2" ply or thinner for the shelves which will allow the spacing of the shelf pin jig to work for Systainers.

Offline Daviddubya

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Re: Home made Sysports
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2007, 10:29 AM »
OK, here's mine.  But nobody is allowed to make fun of how tall it is.  Actually it works quite well, since I move it around the shop very little, and it takes up less floor space.  If I did it over again, I would cut the height down a couple of Systainers, more like bill-e's.  I chose to make the drawers non-adjusting.  Used GileRite slides - great prices, great slides.  Casters came from Lee Valley - high quality.  Christian O. sent me a pair of green latches since this photo was taken - it's now all green!
« Last Edit: February 04, 2007, 10:34 AM by Daviddubya »
David W. Falkenstein
in Cave Creek, AZ, USA

Offline Dave Rudy

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Re: Home made Sysports
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2007, 10:30 AM »

  If you're going to use the LR32 SYS you should use 1/2" ply or thinner for the shelves which will allow the spacing of the shelf pin jig to work for Systainers.

Bill, 
Maybe it's because I dont have the LR32 Sys (or maybe it's just duh!), but could you explain why the system only works with 1/2 as opposed to 3/4 shelves or trays?

Thanks

Dave

Offline bill-e

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Re: Home made Sysports
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2007, 11:01 AM »
Dave,

I don't remember the exact measurements but my recollection is that when I laid out the shelves made with the 3/4" ply the total stackup of the Systainer and shelf did not leave enough clearance without going to the next hole and thus wasting space....probably an inch per Systainer.   So I suppose it will work no matter what the thickness of the ply but if you have a lot of #1 or 2 Systainers you can waste 5 or 6 inches per Sysport which is something I didn't want to do.....I'm not as tall as Dave :)

Offline Dave Rudy

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Re: Home made Sysports
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2007, 03:24 PM »
Dave,

I don't remember the exact measurements but my recollection is that when I laid out the shelves made with the 3/4" ply the total stackup of the Systainer and shelf did not leave enough clearance without going to the next hole and thus wasting space....probably an inch per Systainer.   So I suppose it will work no matter what the thickness of the ply but if you have a lot of #1 or 2 Systainers you can waste 5 or 6 inches per Sysport which is something I didn't want to do.....I'm not as tall as Dave :)

Thanks Bill.  I understand the issue now.  (And I'm not as tall as Dave either).

Dave

Offline Mirko

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Re: Home made Sysports
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2007, 03:26 PM »
Hey Guys,
The Sysports look great, has anyone considered adding a Gang lock (the kind that fit into a Dado in the side panel) It appears to me that if you where unable to slide the drawer out, you wouldnt be able to take the systainer out. Or atleast slow someone down, trying to make off with these beloved Festools.





Mirko

Offline Al Lenkner

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Re: Home made Sysports
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2007, 12:25 AM »
Daviddubya,

Les Spencer, IIRC, built a Sysport similar to yours but he took the liners out of the different systainers so that he didn't have to open a systainer everytime he needed a tool.   IIRC, he also made the drawers longer than a normal systainer and keeps accessories in the extra space.  Is there a reason that you opted to shelve the systainers rather than storing the systainers out of the way as Les did?

Al Lenkner


Offline Daviddubya

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Re: Home made Sysports
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2007, 10:08 AM »
Daviddubya,

Les Spencer, IIRC, built a Sysport similar to yours but he took the liners out of the different systainers so that he didn't have to open a systainer everytime he needed a tool.   IIRC, he also made the drawers longer than a normal systainer and keeps accessories in the extra space.  Is there a reason that you opted to shelve the systainers rather than storing the systainers out of the way as Les did?

Al Lenkner

Al - I opted to leave the tools in the Systainers for two reasons:

1.  I move the tools from my shop to a job site on occasion, so I wanted to be able to move them easily by stacking the Systainers.

2.  I never thought of removing the tools and putting them in the drawers!!!

And for those that think I'm tall - 5"9".
David W. Falkenstein
in Cave Creek, AZ, USA

Offline Frank Pellow

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Re: Home made Sysports
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2007, 09:12 PM »
(part 1 of 2)

My home-made sysport cabinet is modeled upon Paul Franklin’s.

Here is a picture of my cabinet (beside the version made by Festool):

Cheers,   
               Frank (Festool connoisseur)

Offline Frank Pellow

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Re: Home made Sysports
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2007, 09:14 PM »
(part 2 of 2)

Like Festool’s version, mine has a rubberized top which is handy for gripping small parts, tools, and (as can be seen in the photo) coffee cups.  One thing worth noting is that, in order to balance the cart when drawers are sticking out, I placed an enclosed concrete slab on the lower portion of the back panel.  This can be seen in picture below.
 

Cheers,   
               Frank (Festool connoisseur)

Offline sroxberg

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Re: Home made Sysports
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2007, 12:13 PM »
Paul,

What are the small storage boxes on top of the second cabinet? They look like a Festool container but I don't believe I've ever seen small ones offered.

Offline greg mann

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Re: Home made Sysports
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2007, 01:59 PM »
Paul,

What are the small storage boxes on top of the second cabinet? They look like a Festool container but I don't believe I've ever seen small ones offered.

Looks like a coffee cup to me. :)
Greg Mann
Oakland, Michigan

Offline Frank Pellow

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Re: Home made Sysports
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2007, 02:24 PM »
Paul,

What are the small storage boxes on top of the second cabinet? They look like a Festool container but I don't believe I've ever seen small ones offered.

Looks like a coffee cup to me. :)
Greg, I think that you are looking the photo of my sysports whereas sroxberg is looking at the photo Paul's sysports.
Cheers,   
               Frank (Festool connoisseur)

Offline mkenn710

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Re: Home made Sysports
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2007, 02:40 PM »
Measured the systainers at 11.5 inches in depth. What length full extension glide do you order from glidrite worked for you?

Offline bill-e

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Re: Home made Sysports
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2007, 02:49 PM »
I used 14" slides.

gliderite has some great prices.  How's their shipping?

Offline Frank Pellow

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Re: Home made Sysports
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2007, 04:05 PM »
Measured the systainers at 11.5 inches in depth. What length full extension glide do you order from glidrite worked for you?
I used 14 inch self closing slides -these ones: http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=2&p=50508&cat=3,43614,43616   
Cheers,   
               Frank (Festool connoisseur)

Offline sroxberg

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Re: Home made Sysports
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2007, 05:15 PM »
I was going with 14" slides as well.

I am trying to design one and hope to publish it to this forum.

Tell me what you think, but here are my current thoughts.

Material for sysport sides, top and bottom:

I've considered using Baltic Birch and making the cabinet 60" tall.

I've also considered using the white melamine shelf material from Home Depot/Lowes. It comes in 16" widths for the sides top and bottom. The shelves are 96" long they could be cut down to about any height you wanted. The advantage of Melamine is that I wouldn't have to paint or finish it.

For the back of the unit I'm considering using 1/4 material either baltic birch or melamine hard board in a 1/4 dado set 1/4" in from the edge.

For the top I'm thinking about having the side extend about 1/4" up past the top shelf to prevent items from rolling off the edge. I'm also considering putting some rubber mat on top.

I'm trying to decide how to build the drawers so that they least amount of room is lost. What about 3/4 inch sides, fronts, and backs with a 1/4 hardboard bottom dadoed in say 1/4 high. That would only lose 1/2 per shelf as the units are stacked up.

How could I make the shelves adjustable, should I use a 32mm system? I have the OF1000 router and am thinking about the hole drilling kit.

Any suggestions?


Offline bill-e

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Re: Home made Sysports
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2007, 05:38 PM »
If you use the 32mm system you use it as a template for your shelf screws.  Then when you want to move a shelf you already have the holes marked.  I believe that 1/2" shelves will allow you to use the 32mm spacing and not have to always move up to the next set of holes...as I mentioned in a previous post.

Don't feel that you need to use the 32mm system either.  I ended up just mounting the drawers one at a time, Mount the first drawer at the bottom then, systainer and 1/4" spacer and the next drawer...then mark and screw that one in and repeat the process.  It went very fast for me and how often will you need to adjust your shelf positions anyway.

I think you could do the hardboard or even just 3/8 or 1/2" ply without the dado, just screwed or nailed to the bottom of a 3/4" thick side which are tall enough to handle your slides.   I did that but I used all 3/4" ply except for the back which was 1/4".

Offline Daviddubya

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Re: Home made Sysports
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2007, 05:58 PM »
I used 14" slides.

gliderite has some great prices.  How's their shipping?

Bill - I purchased from GlideRite twice.  No problem getting the order in a reasonable time frame.  Shipping charges were about what you would expect for a heavy box.  The final cost including shipping was about $5 per pair, as I recall.  The only hitch is you must but a carton of slides - which is 10 pair in 14" full extension slides.

Look here:

http://storesense.megawebservers.com/HS1283/Search.bok?category=Drawer+Slides%3ASide+Mount+Ball+Bearing%3AFull+Extension+%28%2370+Series%29
David W. Falkenstein
in Cave Creek, AZ, USA

Offline Daviddubya

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Re: Home made Sysports
« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2007, 06:05 PM »
sroxberg - I built my home-made Systainer Port using 3/4" white melamine from Home Depot with butt joints and confirmat screws from McFeely's.  The back is 1/4" white MDF nailed on.  The drawers are 1/2" baltic birch with 1/4" MDF bottoms.  I used a drawer lock bit for the drawer corner joints.  The slides are full extension 14" GlideRite.  Casters are from Lee Valley.  It is holding up just fine.  Looks pretty good too.
David W. Falkenstein
in Cave Creek, AZ, USA

Offline kenmaven

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Re: Home made Sysports
« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2007, 09:21 AM »
I've been following the thread on sysports and am going to build one.
I thought this would be a great trial for my new Domino!  Should make for sturdy joints.
I'm planing on using 3/4" melamine for the case, 1/4" melamine for drawer bottoms  and 1/2 " baltic ply for drawer sides and front.
I have two questions for you guys:
1.  Since I haven't used melamine much can I use the standard screws that come with the drawer glides to attach them to the sides?  If not, what kind of short screws should I use.
2.  Would you recommend making the drawers longer to store accessories behind the systainers?  I'm thinking of using 16" glides but I'm not sure an extra 2" will buy me much storage. 
Appreciate any help you can give me.

One more thing:  I saw a Festool folding carpenters rule with metric being used on the Domino promo vides.  I contacted Bob Marino and he said he can't get them.  A folding rule like that would sure come in handy.  Anybody know how to get one?

Ken

Offline Daviddubya

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Re: Home made Sysports
« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2007, 09:40 AM »
...I have two questions for you guys:
1.  Since I haven't used melamine much can I use the standard screws that come with the drawer glides to attach them to the sides?  If not, what kind of short screws should I use.
2.  Would you recommend making the drawers longer to store accessories behind the systainers?  I'm thinking of using 16" glides but I'm not sure an extra 2" will buy me much storage. 
Appreciate any help you can give me...

I have made and bought lots of melamine cabinets.  For full extension slides, which is what I assume you will use, the standard screws work fine in melamine.  Since virtually all of the stress is straight down, there is minimal tendency for the screws to pull out of the cabinet carcass.  Don't overtighten them, as they can be stripped out rather easily.

I cannot imagine what you would use the extra 2" of drawer space to hold???  I put everything that goes with a tool in the Systainer for that tool.  I bought a couple of empty Systainers, one to hold sandpaper and another to hold clamps, stops and do-dads that are used with the MFT and/or the guide rails.
David W. Falkenstein
in Cave Creek, AZ, USA

Offline James Metcalf

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Re: Home made Sysports
« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2007, 10:26 AM »
Ken

I made mine out of 3/4 inch Melamine --sides, top and back, even the slide part. I edged it all with oak, no open edge anywhere. I made it 52" tall with locking casters.  It is 22" deep,using 3/4 open, slides, with slides fastened on edge of 3/4 Melamine. Frank P. had made his about the same time and had put counter weight on back to keep it from turning over, when too many drawers are open at same time. This is what made me go with extra depth and use some 3/4 slides I already had.I use the term drawer for lack of a better term,they have no sides,no back.apart from slides. Each front has one handle in the center.it' more like a lip with handle and two shelf pins just behind  systainer.  This design gave me the option of putting counter weight inside at bottom. I built two and should have built four. With all drawers open and no counter weight, I have had no problem because of extra rearward mass.  I could always add counter weight if needed.  On the next two I build I am thinking of adding a door at the back with shelves,  with the back just behind the slides for strength,and so it could not rack.
« Last Edit: March 25, 2007, 03:43 PM by James Metcalf »

Offline cdconey

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Re: Home made Sysports
« Reply #29 on: March 25, 2007, 10:51 AM »
Here are some photos of my sys-carts.  I made them out of 3/4" white melamine using blind dados.  The drawers are 1/2" pre finished maple with 1/4" mdf bottoms and splines dadoed in to hold the systainer in place.  The top  shelf has a 3/8 recess to avoid anything rolling off.  It is 19" deep, which gives me 6 extra inches past the systainer.    I bored the 32mm system holes using the LR32-SYS and system screws to mount the glides.  I used 18" glides with 1" over travel.  The casters are from Hartville Tool, 2 locking swivel and two swivel.  I put doors on mine to keep my festool 'out of sight' using institutional hinges that open 270 degrees.  I haven't had any issues with them tipping over.  Without the doors  I was able to get 2  carts out of one sheet of melamine.  I would make it a couple of inches deeper next time so I could fit the 6" discs behing the systainers better. 
« Last Edit: March 25, 2007, 10:53 AM by cdconey »
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