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I'm ordering the MFT-3 soon, and seek an explanation about rigging a hose boom to it. I have a Fein shop vac, so the boom won't go on the vacuum itself. But the majority of work with Festool machines will be on the MFT.
What to do about that pesky hose?
Gary Curtis
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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2008, 04:55 PM » |
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Gary, Here's a thread for ya. http://festoolownersgroup.com/index.php?topic=1223.0Check out the ones attached to walls. You could attach something up the leg of the MFT. Mike |
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« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2008, 12:23 AM » |
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Hi, I just did a brief update for my set up in the thread quoted above. Seth |
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extiger
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« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2008, 12:13 PM » |
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Instead of all the trouble of building a boom-type arm, does that Festool Guide Rail Deflector (p/n # 489 022) do an adequate job of keeping the hose from knocking everything off an MFT onto the floor?
I don't want a boom so much for floor clearance as for worktop hazards.
Gary Curtis
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« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2008, 12:22 PM » |
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extiger,
For me the part you listed works ok for making a cut on the rail. Even then I have had the cords come off the guard and get caught. I have not yet used a saw with the boom but for sanding there is no comparison. The boom is the way to go.
JJ
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« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2008, 09:39 PM » |
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Gary,
Try hanging the hose & cord from the ceiling or joist above the MFT. Just a screw in hook and a bungie cord will be a great improvement. When you want mobility as well then start working on a boom arm. There are some great designs here.
Mike
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« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2008, 12:32 AM » |
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Instead of all the trouble of building a boom-type arm, does that Festool Guide Rail Deflector (p/n # 489 022) do an adequate job of keeping the hose from knocking everything off an MFT onto the floor?
I don't want a boom so much for floor clearance as for worktop hazards.
Gary Curtis
Hi, The deflector is ok. Bu t you will want the hose/ cord coming into it from fairly straight. If it is coming from too much of a side angle it does not work all that well. Also sometimes the cord will cause extra drag if it is sliding between the attaching knob and side piece. I use the deflectors for cross cuts in conjunction with my wall mounted hose /pipe set up. The fact that the hose isn't piled on the floor and coming up from varying directions as you pull down the rail helps tremendously. See this thread for a helpful modificationSeth |
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« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2008, 01:42 AM » |
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Seth you are being nice. The deflector does nothing to keep that hose clear of the table. It keeps the hose from catching on the end of the guide, thats about it.
The hose will either mess with the table or be across the floor, the boom arm is worth every penny and can not be compared the the deflector. The deflector is just not for that.
Hanging the hose from a joist is a great idea if you can not afford the boom arm.
Nickao
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« Last Edit: May 19, 2008, 01:45 AM by nickao »
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The one who says it can't be done should avoid interrupting the person doing it.
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extiger
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« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2008, 02:50 PM » |
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Nick, my concern is that I don't have a Festool shopvac and won't be getting one. I have a Fein. I'm willing to buy a boom arm, but what can it mount to other than the Festool vacs?
Gary
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« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2008, 03:08 PM » |
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Nick, my concern is that I don't have a Festool shopvac and won't be getting one. I have a Fein. I'm willing to buy a boom arm, but what can it mount to other than the Festool vacs?
Gary
Just make a cart to carry the Fein and mount the boom. While you're at it make shelf for Systainers and/or a mini-cyclone. Build in storage for vac tools. Add a fridge for cool beverages...  |
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« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2008, 03:45 PM » |
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If you want the best solution to keep the hose from catching, check out this from programmergeek techflex solution reply #8. This will keep the hose from catching on any sharp corner. Even with a boom arm you'll still catch the hose on the edge of the mft or the your work piece. I know from experience. If I had to choose between a boom arm and techflex, or any similar material, my choice would be techflex as programmergeek has pointed out in his link to Force Machinery. |
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« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2008, 04:01 PM » |
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Les, I love the techflex solution, somehow that thread escaped me. I am going to order and try it out.
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Nickao
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« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2008, 04:03 PM » |
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Michael, I think the boom arm would be simple to get to work with a Fein. It attaches to the handle on the Festool so you need to think out a solution. I will look at my Fein's and Boom arm and see what I come up with.
Nickao
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« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2008, 08:53 PM » |
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Nickao, I'd love to hear your ideas about the boom arm and a Fein.
What is a source for Teckflex, by the way?
Gary Curtis
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« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2008, 09:17 PM » |
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I am thinking about it. My first thought is modifying the Festool handle to connect to the Fein. Then the boom arm get attached to the handle in a similar way of the Festool unit. Tech FlexNickao |
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« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2008, 11:34 PM » |
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Seth you are being nice. The deflector does nothing to keep that hose clear of the table. It keeps the hose from catching on the end of the guide, thats about it.
The hose will either mess with the table or be across the floor, the boom arm is worth every penny and can not be compared the the deflector. The deflector is just not for that.
Hanging the hose from a joist is a great idea if you can not afford the boom arm.
Nickao
Hi, Right the deflector is "ok" and works best in conjuntion with some type of hose boom or hanging device. Seth |
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« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2008, 11:40 PM » |
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If you want the best solution to keep the hose from catching, check out this from programmergeek techflex solution reply #8. This will keep the hose from catching on any sharp corner. Even with a boom arm you'll still catch the hose on the edge of the mft or the your work piece. I know from experience. If I had to choose between a boom arm and techflex, or any similar material, my choice would be techflex as programmergeek has pointed out in his link to Force Machinery. Hi, I had tried the techflex with my set up and did not like it. Took it off. I know it works great for some, but it wasn't doing the job for me. It actually snagged more than the hose for some of the cuts I was making. It must be just the way I was using it but the weave actually got caught on the edge of my old cutting table. It would probably work better on the new table I built, but that works just fine with out it so I didn't bother trying it again. The MFT is different of course. Seth |
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« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2008, 11:45 PM » |
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Hi, I do not have the boom arm or an MFT  But I could see the possibilty of the arm attached to the MFT getting in the way of material handling. May be more versatile to be able to move it around on the vac too. Go for finding a way to rig on the Fein. Seth |
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« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2008, 11:55 PM » |
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I made an overhead boom that mounts on the wall and swivels for use with my Fein. You can see pictures here.I didn't find much use for the swivel and eventually it got moved to it's new home, just to the right of the table and no swivel. The Fein hose fits nicely through a 2 inch plastic PVC pipe. |
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« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2008, 02:25 AM » |
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Adding a Boom Arm to a CT extractor requires you also purchase a handle. The bracket that connects the handle to the CT does NOT readily attach to anything else, so you would have to make your own mounts to connect to your vac. Neither of these parts will fit your Fein vac and you would surely be money ahead making your own. Several others have made their own versions that mount to a wall, ceiling, vac or work stand. -- lots of better choices than to salvage parts from the Festool Boom Arm.
I love my Boom Arm, but then, I have a Festool extractor that it was made for.
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