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Offline bkharman

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #60 on: February 11, 2015, 09:21 PM »
It is mainly for people with MFT and CMS-VL. I use it for routing, cutting and alike. If you ever had to use the stock CMS fence, you would understand a lot quicker!  ;)

Cheers. Bryan.
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Offline Claimdude

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #61 on: February 11, 2015, 09:27 PM »
Thanks Bryan! I have no need for one then.

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Offline NoDeuces

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #62 on: February 04, 2017, 03:31 PM »
Longtime lurker, I just bought the CMS-VL basic table, the Incra 25 Super System and the Precision Dog plate.

Concerned I'm going to want that sliding table and hose though...

This community rocks.

Offline bkharman

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #63 on: February 04, 2017, 06:30 PM »
Longtime lurker, I just bought the CMS-VL basic table, the Incra 25 Super System and the Precision Dog plate.

Concerned I'm going to want that sliding table and hose though...

This community rocks.
I got the sliding table and Y hose at the time of purchase so I never knew better.

Enjoy the setup, I love mine almost 3 years later!!

Cheers. Bryan.


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Offline ach_78

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #64 on: February 07, 2017, 08:33 AM »
Hi guys,

I have a LS positionner but the steel rule on it has zero on the right side.
If I put it on the left side, the numbers will be upside down.

I can't find a replacement metric steel rule that has the zero on the left side, how did you do ?

Online Bvps

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #65 on: February 08, 2017, 07:51 AM »
Hy, your ruler is right. If you position the fence against the blade, zero has to be under the hairlinecurser of the positionner.
now you can slide the fence away from the blade and reed the difference under the hairline. sorry for my bad english. :-[

lg
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Offline Bohdan

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #66 on: February 08, 2017, 08:08 AM »
I can't find a replacement metric steel rule that has the zero on the left side, how did you do ?

@ach_78
Have a look at these rules

http://www.incrementaltools.com/PARTS_INCRA_Metric_Scales_p/pc-scalesmm.htm

You might be able to use the lexan ones

Offline ach_78

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #67 on: February 08, 2017, 11:33 AM »
Yep thanks, I've seen them, but cannot source the steel version which would have been nice

Gonna drop an email to INCRA support and see what they say

Offline ach_78

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #68 on: February 08, 2017, 11:47 AM »
Also, what is the maximum lenght can be cut with the LS positionner base set as far left as possible (with 2 las holes used) and the MFT rail in it's standard position (meaning not especially shifted to the right) ?

Offline RobBob

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #69 on: February 08, 2017, 02:35 PM »
Yep thanks, I've seen them, but cannot source the steel version which would have been nice

Gonna drop an email to INCRA support and see what they say

Starrett has English/Metric left to right in the USA.  Not sure about metric only.

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Offline bkharman

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #70 on: February 08, 2017, 08:33 PM »
Also, what is the maximum lenght can be cut with the LS positionner base set as far left as possible (with 2 las holes used) and the MFT rail in it's standard position (meaning not especially shifted to the right) ?

I am not sure I understand the question. Do you mean the distance between the router bit (or saw blade) and the fence face?  If so, it is whatever LS positioner you have.

A LS 25 will give you about 24" from face to bit/blade. If you move the plate to the last set of holes you will have about 4 feet or so since you are taking the table length.

If you have multiple MFTs you could go back really far (not that it is a good thing!).

Hope this helps.

Cheers. Bryan.


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Offline ach_78

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #71 on: February 13, 2017, 07:58 AM »
What I mean is, say you have a stock MFT and install a LS positionner using that plate in the left-most position. What is the distance between the LS fence fully retracted and the cut ?

This distance should not depend on the the LS positionner

Offline bkharman

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #72 on: February 13, 2017, 01:09 PM »
What I mean is, say you have a stock MFT and install a LS positionner using that plate in the left-most position. What is the distance between the LS fence fully retracted and the cut ?

This distance should not depend on the the LS positionner

I will have to measure it when I am back in my shop.


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Offline bkharman

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #73 on: February 19, 2017, 08:20 PM »
What I mean is, say you have a stock MFT and install a LS positionner using that plate in the left-most position. What is the distance between the LS fence fully retracted and the cut ?

This distance should not depend on the the LS positionner

Distance is just under a meter. Right around 90cm with the split fence in and would be at about 97cm without it.

Hope this helps.

Cheers. Bryan.







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Offline ach_78

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #74 on: February 20, 2017, 11:26 AM »
thanks!

Offline Welshdog

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #75 on: April 11, 2017, 02:34 AM »
So does Festool offer a way to buy most everything in included in the CMS-VL set <except> the fence?  That would make this a lot more appealing.  Don't really want to pay for two fences I don't think.  Their website seems to be non-functional when it comes to router tables right now, so I can't really check.

Is the idea here that the Incra LS or TS or whatever serves as a router table fence and acts as a accurate stop for repeatable cuts using the MFT rail?  Does the Incra fence MFT combo provide other functions as well?

Sorry for so many questions - thanks!
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Offline backhoebb

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bkharmon, your setup looks superb, am I right is saying that you also have the ts module for your setup? could you post some pictures and give a little info? I have a mft3 and just ordered the cms vl. I am very intrested in the saw setup as well as the incra system.
kindest regards
 
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Offline ProCarpenterRVA

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This is great timing. I picked up an incra set up over the weekend from a woodworker leaving town, the whole shebang incra router table with woodpeckers lift. Porter-Cable 7518. Tree fiddy[emoji16][emoji16][emoji16]

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Offline backhoebb

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I'm hoping someone chimes in here as to there experiences with the ts module for the cms or preferably the cms-vl as I have on in the mail:)
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Offline denovo

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So does Festool offer a way to buy most everything in included in the CMS-VL set <except> the fence?  That would make this a lot more appealing.  Don't really want to pay for two fences I don't think.  Their website seems to be non-functional when it comes to router tables right now, so I can't really check.

Originally I was thinking along the same lines as you and couldn't find a way to buy the CMS-VL set without the festool fence.  Long story short I bought the set and the festool fence does complement the Incra fence.  I install a 3" long 1/2" spiral router bit and use the festool fence as a jointer to cleanup/shave down the edge of whatever I'm working on. 

I had a kitchen door that was 2mm wider then it should have been so I used the festool fence to take off 1mm from each side (shaker door).  It was faster and more accurate then trying to use the table saw or track saw.

Offline Bohdan

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I have both and find that even though I really hate the way the Festool fence sets up I use it more than the Incra fence because I do a lot of edge jointing on the router with a power feed and for this it is almost ideal.

However setting it up in the first place is a PITA.

Offline backhoebb

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could you show us how you have a power feeder configured on your cms?
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Offline Bohdan

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It's a generic 3 wheel power feed and I have a Basis table which is what preceeded the CMS. The CMS inserts all fit without modification and the one that I use has the OF2200 mounted in it.

I dismantled the frame and inserted a piece of steel plate into the Basis's ali extrusion and tapped it for the front mounting bolts. The rear bolts are tapped into a block of ali which is then held in place by a set of T bolts.

The length of the horizontal arm on the power feed is about 1" too short to swing the feed out of the way when changing cutters so you have to move the fence out of the way.

The only problem that I have ever had is that I set it for a very large rebate cut and it blew the fuse in the Basis table.

Had to go back and set it to do the cut in two passes.

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Online RKA

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Is the idea here that the Incra LS or TS or whatever serves as a router table fence and acts as a accurate stop for repeatable cuts using the MFT rail?  Does the Incra fence MFT combo provide other functions as well?

Sorry for so many questions - thanks!

@Welshdog
That's probably not ideal.  For one, the incra base and fence can take up a bit of real estate and the rail on the MFT is offset from the right edge of the table.  I haven't measured it, but you might be limited to 20" crosscuts doing what you suggested.  Second, the incra fence spans the depth of the MFT completely, so there is no room for the MFT fence that is oriented perpendicular to your rail along the back of the MFT.  You could use a pair of dogs instead.  Now if you're using dogs for rail and stock alignment and just need that fixed stop, you might get up to a 24" crosscut capacity, maybe a little more.  It's an alternate use for the incra fence, but I think it's main advantage is in use with the CMS.
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Offline TinyShop

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I dismantled the frame and inserted a piece of steel plate into the Basis's ali extrusion and tapped it for the front mounting bolts.

The length of the horizontal arm on the power feed is about 1" too short to swing the feed out of the way when changing cutters so you have to move the fence out of the way.


Thanks - this is super interesting! Any chance I can bother you for a photo that shows the mod you did to the underside of the table and another that shows the entire table with the powerfeed installed (in other words, stand back and take a photo of the whole setup)? I would be most appreciative! 

Offline Bohdan

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To show how the steel insert is fitted I would have to completely disassemble the table by removing the parts that hold the legs on and then extract the ali extrusion that the power feed is bolted to. Not something that is easy.

The table extrusion has a rectangular hollow section that I inserted the steel plate into from one end. It was just a piece of 10 mm plate (IIRC) that I cut to fit the width of the hollow section and long enough to cover the width of the power feed base.

I drilled the holes in the ali section to suit the power feed base, inserted the steel and while holding it in place, marked one of the holes in the steel. I then tapped it and refitted the steel to the ali holding it in place with a bolt. Drilled and tapped the other hole. I then mounted the base of the power feed by one bolt and after removing the original bolt, fitted the other one.

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Offline TinyShop

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@Bohdan - Ah, I get it. That makes sense. And thanks for the additional image. That's a great setup! :)

Offline Bohdan

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BTW The power feed can also be used with any of the saw modules by just changing the insert.

Offline TinyShop

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@Bohdan - Ah, I get it. That makes sense. And thanks for the additional image. That's a great setup! :)

And just so people know what we're talking about, here's an exploded image of the Basis base unit:

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In contrast to the design of the CMS base unit, the Basis has a lot more to work with for mounting a power feeder.

That said, it might be possible to adopt @Bohdan's technique of sliding a piece of steel plate into the hollow extrusion on the CMS frame, though there's noticeably less mounting surface and not nearly as beefy of an extrusion:

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Offline backhoebb

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Any chance someone, bkharman? could post pictures of there saw module in the cms and give some feedback on its pros and cons, I ordered a cms-v, and am undecided on importing the saw module.
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