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Offline bkharman

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It is with great joy that I give my review of the Precision Plate from Precision Dogs.  This is something that I worked on with Jerry for a few months now and it is AWESOME!  If you have an Incra LS Positioner (I have a 25) and an MFT and probably a CMS, this thing is worth every penny.  A little background here... I have had my MFT + Incra LS + CMS-VL for a while and had always "made due" with my MDF plate or clamps and rail dogs.  It worked well, but wasn't exactly a quick breakdown and setup and often I had to fidget with some things to get it just right.  And after all of that work to get it set right, I didnt want to mess with it until all of my routing was done in fear that I would mess something up or tinker again to get it right.  This is where the plate will get rid of that fear...

A basic pic of the plate (hard to see under the Incra LS base)



It is very, VERY solid.  It uses a plate that is 15mm high and as you can see, is just a tad wider than the base itself.  It uses 6 bolts to attach the base to the plate and then uses M8 threaded dogs underneath to attach inline to the MFT.







To keep the weight down, he milled out various areas as well as put a recess on each side to pull it up when disconnecting from the table.



Setup is very simple.  You have three spots to fit the 2 dogs so you can go to the outside areas, or if you are limited for space and need to hang off the edge of the MFT (or any other bench) you can go on the back two dog holes.





After it is setup, locked down and the knobs are attached to the bottom, I checked square at the plate as well as the fence and all looked perfect!  (I used dogs in holes at the other end of the MFT to make sure fence was square when setting it up)





Fully extended, the thing is rock solid!  I can barely make the fence move...  The inline placement of the dogs and the material make this thing a beast.  With my prior setups, I was at the mercy of other elements and clamps and such.  Even with my LS out at 25", it has little to no movement.



So short story is, the plate is light yet very strong.  The inline layout of the dogs (and they are very snug in the holes) and using the knobs make it very strong forward to aft, but also because of the design of the LS itself, it has almost no play in the fence when fully extended.  I am very pleased with this offering and would highly recommend it to anyone with an MFT using an Incra LS.  I have done some routing with it and it works like a charm.  I plan on making some further mods to join my CMS slider to the Incra Right Angle Fixture so it is "one unit".



Feel free to email me any questions or if you want some additional pics.

Cheers.  Bryan.

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Offline jonathan-m

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2014, 06:09 PM »
I've got the 36" table saw positioner TS-LS (with red base plate) and was wondering if it's also compatible before I put my order in?

« Last Edit: April 08, 2014, 06:22 PM by jonathan-m »
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Offline dpetrzelka

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2014, 06:16 PM »
Very cool - I've got an LS positioner just waiting to be pulled from my old table saw.
- Daniel

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Offline bkharman

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2014, 06:26 PM »
I've got the 36" table saw positioner TS-LS (with red base plate) and was wondering if it's also compatible before I put my order in?



Jonathan, I can't tell from that pic but the bolt holes look different.  On the newer t-track style, they are 3" apart.  I will get the exact specs when I am back home.

I hope the bolt pattern matches up!
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Offline shed9

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2014, 06:53 PM »
The positioners for the TS are different and the bolt holes do not line up. I have the TS 32 and a standard 25 - the TS has a lower profile plate as opposed to an extruded part to fit the alloy plate that sits on the rails; they do not share bolt hole alignment.

That said, nothing stopping you getting a spare standard base from Incra;

http://www.incrementaltools.com/PARTS_INCRA_LS_Positioner_Only_p/pc-lsonly.htm

Check part 5; Aluminium sub-base pedestal ($11.20)
« Last Edit: April 08, 2014, 06:57 PM by shed9 »

Offline dpetrzelka

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2014, 06:58 PM »
Ah, mine is the red base version as well - TS-LS red steel base
- Daniel

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Offline jonathan-m

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2014, 07:20 PM »
The positioners for the TS are different and the bolt holes do not line up. I have the TS 32 and a standard 25 - the TS has a lower profile plate as opposed to an extruded part to fit the alloy plate that sits on the rails; they do not share bolt hole alignment.

That said, nothing stopping you getting a spare standard base from Incra;

http://www.incrementaltools.com/PARTS_INCRA_LS_Positioner_Only_p/pc-lsonly.htm

Check part 5; Aluminium sub-base pedestal ($11.20)

That or drilling new holes, if possible. Importing new base is quite pricey around here unfortunately. Usually around $90 shipping + import tax on the total amount. Rough estimate that part would cost me x10  [scared]
Nice product, but kind of an oversight they didnt take compatibility into account though :(
Maybe they can make updates in a future production run, but wishful thinking probably.
« Last Edit: April 08, 2014, 07:29 PM by jonathan-m »
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Offline bkharman

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2014, 07:26 PM »
The threaded holes are 3" apart, front to back.  They are also 1.5" away from the edge of the plate with is 9" long.  I can mock up the full dimensions if it helps.  I would contemplate drilling holes to accept the 6 bolts vs. buying a new base for the LS/TS.  I bet it possible (provided the existing bolt holes aren't extremely close by.

cheers.  Bryan.
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Offline Anodyne

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2014, 07:55 PM »
This is great. I was just about to order the Incra positioner and was contemplating having a similar plate made. Looking forward to placing an order soon.

Offline bkharman

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2014, 08:12 PM »
This is great. I was just about to order the Incra positioner and was contemplating having a similar plate made. Looking forward to placing an order soon.

It will be a game changer for folks wanting an LS or ones who have it. I assume you are like me and don't have a separate table for assembly, routing, cutting, etc.

Being able to pull my Incra off in a few seconds and then put it back on with no adjusting is awesome.
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Offline Reiska

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2014, 12:13 AM »
So where do I buy one?
The sky's the limit in my workshop, literally. [big grin]

Offline Slappy

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2014, 12:31 AM »
I just ordered one myself , I was about fab one  in AL plate stock but I was concerned about my skills to get it square
 this is well worth me buying one instead
 I have 2 LS petitioners so if this works out i'll get 2  [tongue]

http://precisiondogs.us/products/precision-plate
Mike

Offline b_m_hart

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2014, 01:00 AM »
Ugh.  PayPal only - I freaking hate PayPal :(

Offline Kev

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2014, 01:02 AM »
So where do I buy one?

Hope they ship worldwide !!!

This'll save me the effort of doing it myself ... and is therefore more likely to eventuate [embarassed]

Offline Kev

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2014, 01:12 AM »
OK ... ordered one, where is it? - should have been here by now, it's over 5 minutes [big grin]


Offline shed9

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2014, 02:56 AM »
The positioners for the TS are different and the bolt holes do not line up. I have the TS 32 and a standard 25 - the TS has a lower profile plate as opposed to an extruded part to fit the alloy plate that sits on the rails; they do not share bolt hole alignment.

That said, nothing stopping you getting a spare standard base from Incra;

http://www.incrementaltools.com/PARTS_INCRA_LS_Positioner_Only_p/pc-lsonly.htm

Check part 5; Aluminium sub-base pedestal ($11.20)

That or drilling new holes, if possible. Importing new base is quite pricey around here unfortunately. Usually around $90 shipping + import tax on the total amount. Rough estimate that part would cost me x10  [scared]
Nice product, but kind of an oversight they didnt take compatibility into account though :(
Maybe they can make updates in a future production run, but wishful thinking probably.

These guys are closer to home;

http://www.fine-tools.com/werkstatt.html

Drop them an email regarding the part, they should be able to get it for you.

Offline Michael_Swe

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2014, 04:04 AM »
Thanks!
I just ordered one. This is exactly what I need but never find the time to make.
//Michael

Offline CJ'60

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2014, 07:08 AM »
That or drilling new holes, if possible. Importing new base is quite pricey around here unfortunately. Usually around $90 shipping + import tax on the total amount. Rough estimate that part would cost me x10  [scared]
Nice product, but kind of an oversight they didnt take compatibility into account though :(
Maybe they can make updates in a future production run, but wishful thinking probably.

There is a dutch reseller of Incra, that might be more convenient for you to import from...

Best, Karel

AT-65 EB/1 Plus, CTL Mini, PS 300 EQ, OF1010 EBQ, Domino Set

Offline bkharman

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2014, 08:08 AM »
That or drilling new holes, if possible. Importing new base is quite pricey around here unfortunately. Usually around $90 shipping + import tax on the total amount. Rough estimate that part would cost me x10  [scared]
Nice product, but kind of an oversight they didnt take compatibility into account though :(
Maybe they can make updates in a future production run, but wishful thinking probably.

There is a dutch reseller of Incra, that might be more convenient for you to import from...

Best, Karel

The company that made the plate is a small US based company. I had the link in my original post as well as slappy posted it.

They do ship international as well. I would email him questions about going through a regional Incra distributor.

Enjoy!
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Offline bkharman

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2014, 08:09 AM »
I just ordered one myself , I was about fab one  in AL plate stock but I was concerned about my skills to get it square
 this is well worth me buying one instead
 I have 2 LS petitioners so if this works out i'll get 2  [tongue]

http://precisiondogs.us/products/precision-plate

The plate is so worth it. It is a joy to work with. It took me < 10 minutes for initial setup and mere seconds to unattach and reattach.

You will really like it.
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Offline bkharman

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2014, 08:10 AM »
A couple more iphone photos of just the plate:



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Offline CJ'60

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2014, 08:37 AM »
That or drilling new holes, if possible. Importing new base is quite pricey around here unfortunately. Usually around $90 shipping + import tax on the total amount. Rough estimate that part would cost me x10  [scared]
Nice product, but kind of an oversight they didnt take compatibility into account though :(
Maybe they can make updates in a future production run, but wishful thinking probably.

There is a dutch reseller of Incra, that might be more convenient for you to import from...

Best, Karel

The company that made the plate is a small US based company. I had the link in my original post as well as slappy posted it.

They do ship international as well. I would email him questions about going through a regional Incra distributor.

Enjoy!

I was referring to the new baseplate for his Incra that Jonathan was considering, not the precision plate.
AT-65 EB/1 Plus, CTL Mini, PS 300 EQ, OF1010 EBQ, Domino Set

Offline bkharman

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2014, 08:43 AM »
That or drilling new holes, if possible. Importing new base is quite pricey around here unfortunately. Usually around $90 shipping + import tax on the total amount. Rough estimate that part would cost me x10  [scared]
Nice product, but kind of an oversight they didnt take compatibility into account though :(
Maybe they can make updates in a future production run, but wishful thinking probably.

There is a dutch reseller of Incra, that might be more convenient for you to import from...

Best, Karel

The company that made the plate is a small US based company. I had the link in my original post as well as slappy posted it.

They do ship international as well. I would email him questions about going through a regional Incra distributor.

Enjoy!

I was referring to the new baseplate for his Incra that Jonathan was considering, not the precision plate.

My bad Karel...  Trying to read this on a smartphone screen doesn't always work so well!  ;)
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Offline Reiska

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2014, 08:51 AM »
Oh, duh! They do ship internationally, but not to Finland - at least from their shopping cart. I've contacted both Precision Dogs and Dieter about this issue... Lets see who's quicker ;-)
Edit: Well, both Dieter and Jerry got back to me promptly and Jerry added Finland to the list of shipping countries... and wait for it... sold-out with the plates before I managed to order one... [doh]
Well, at least I have placed my order for my metric LS25 Superfence kit + router bit selections from Dieter and once Jerry gets more plates in stock I'll get the plate... haven't ordered the MFT-VL yet so no major rush... just a bit of a D'oh moment Homer style  [tongue]
« Last Edit: April 12, 2014, 12:00 AM by Reiska »
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Offline Michael_Swe

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2014, 09:00 AM »
I payed USD 32 for USPS First Class (1-3 days) shipping to Sweden.

Offline bkharman

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2014, 09:04 AM »
Oh, duh! They do ship internationally, but not to Finland - at least from their shopping cart. I've contacted both Precision Dogs and Dieter about this issue... Lets see who's quicker ;-)

Reiska,

I am glad you posted, you were one of the people I thought of when this came out!  I do hope you end up with one as it is a solid interface. I know you have limited (indoor) space to work with so getting your LS on and off the table quickly is key.

Let me know who responds first!  ;)
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Offline Slappy

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2014, 01:32 PM »
that's the beauty of this whole design is the speed in set-up & then removing the LS positioner from the table all the while of being absolutely Square with no need to adjust anything to be square .
 I was working on building my own design but was hung up on getting a absolute square jig outta my own limited tooling in my shop .
 I had gotten the all materials I needed & was proceeding forward but when this hit , I added up all $$$ I had in material costs , this plate was near that figure .
 with any mistake or slight flaw in my design that would have put me over in costs of materials & some AL plate stock with holes in it  [sad] I couldn't use .
 the materials I have can now be re-purposed but couldn't be used  IF I had flawed in any way .
 I got a shipping notice a hour after I ordered , I should have it in hand tomorrow   
 as they ship from La La Land   [cool]
Mike

Offline b_m_hart

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2014, 05:50 PM »
Got over my loathing of PayPal and ordered... got shipping and tracking info within an hour or so!

Offline bkharman

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2014, 05:53 PM »
Got over my loathing of PayPal and ordered... got shipping and tracking info within an hour or so!

I am not the biggest PP fan either (and I contract with them!) but I am glad you are picking one up...  I am shooting a quick video how well it works and will have it up In a few.

EDIT: Here is the video I made demonstrating how easy it is to "set and forget" this plate... One handed no less!!

« Last Edit: April 09, 2014, 06:30 PM by bkharman »
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Offline bkharman

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #29 on: April 09, 2014, 07:31 PM »
Bump for video add above.
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