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Offline bkharman

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It is with great joy that I give my review of the Precision Plate from Precision Dogs.  This is something that I worked on with Jerry for a few months now and it is AWESOME!  If you have an Incra LS Positioner (I have a 25) and an MFT and probably a CMS, this thing is worth every penny.  A little background here... I have had my MFT + Incra LS + CMS-VL for a while and had always "made due" with my MDF plate or clamps and rail dogs.  It worked well, but wasn't exactly a quick breakdown and setup and often I had to fidget with some things to get it just right.  And after all of that work to get it set right, I didnt want to mess with it until all of my routing was done in fear that I would mess something up or tinker again to get it right.  This is where the plate will get rid of that fear...

A basic pic of the plate (hard to see under the Incra LS base)



It is very, VERY solid.  It uses a plate that is 15mm high and as you can see, is just a tad wider than the base itself.  It uses 6 bolts to attach the base to the plate and then uses M8 threaded dogs underneath to attach inline to the MFT.







To keep the weight down, he milled out various areas as well as put a recess on each side to pull it up when disconnecting from the table.



Setup is very simple.  You have three spots to fit the 2 dogs so you can go to the outside areas, or if you are limited for space and need to hang off the edge of the MFT (or any other bench) you can go on the back two dog holes.





After it is setup, locked down and the knobs are attached to the bottom, I checked square at the plate as well as the fence and all looked perfect!  (I used dogs in holes at the other end of the MFT to make sure fence was square when setting it up)





Fully extended, the thing is rock solid!  I can barely make the fence move...  The inline placement of the dogs and the material make this thing a beast.  With my prior setups, I was at the mercy of other elements and clamps and such.  Even with my LS out at 25", it has little to no movement.



So short story is, the plate is light yet very strong.  The inline layout of the dogs (and they are very snug in the holes) and using the knobs make it very strong forward to aft, but also because of the design of the LS itself, it has almost no play in the fence when fully extended.  I am very pleased with this offering and would highly recommend it to anyone with an MFT using an Incra LS.  I have done some routing with it and it works like a charm.  I plan on making some further mods to join my CMS slider to the Incra Right Angle Fixture so it is "one unit".



Feel free to email me any questions or if you want some additional pics.

Cheers.  Bryan.

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Offline jonathan-m

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2014, 06:09 PM »
I've got the 36" table saw positioner TS-LS (with red base plate) and was wondering if it's also compatible before I put my order in?

« Last Edit: April 08, 2014, 06:22 PM by jonathan-m »
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Offline dpetrzelka

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2014, 06:16 PM »
Very cool - I've got an LS positioner just waiting to be pulled from my old table saw.
- Daniel

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Offline bkharman

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2014, 06:26 PM »
I've got the 36" table saw positioner TS-LS (with red base plate) and was wondering if it's also compatible before I put my order in?



Jonathan, I can't tell from that pic but the bolt holes look different.  On the newer t-track style, they are 3" apart.  I will get the exact specs when I am back home.

I hope the bolt pattern matches up!
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Offline shed9

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2014, 06:53 PM »
The positioners for the TS are different and the bolt holes do not line up. I have the TS 32 and a standard 25 - the TS has a lower profile plate as opposed to an extruded part to fit the alloy plate that sits on the rails; they do not share bolt hole alignment.

That said, nothing stopping you getting a spare standard base from Incra;

http://www.incrementaltools.com/PARTS_INCRA_LS_Positioner_Only_p/pc-lsonly.htm

Check part 5; Aluminium sub-base pedestal ($11.20)
« Last Edit: April 08, 2014, 06:57 PM by shed9 »

Offline dpetrzelka

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2014, 06:58 PM »
Ah, mine is the red base version as well - TS-LS red steel base
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Offline jonathan-m

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2014, 07:20 PM »
The positioners for the TS are different and the bolt holes do not line up. I have the TS 32 and a standard 25 - the TS has a lower profile plate as opposed to an extruded part to fit the alloy plate that sits on the rails; they do not share bolt hole alignment.

That said, nothing stopping you getting a spare standard base from Incra;

http://www.incrementaltools.com/PARTS_INCRA_LS_Positioner_Only_p/pc-lsonly.htm

Check part 5; Aluminium sub-base pedestal ($11.20)

That or drilling new holes, if possible. Importing new base is quite pricey around here unfortunately. Usually around $90 shipping + import tax on the total amount. Rough estimate that part would cost me x10  [scared]
Nice product, but kind of an oversight they didnt take compatibility into account though :(
Maybe they can make updates in a future production run, but wishful thinking probably.
« Last Edit: April 08, 2014, 07:29 PM by jonathan-m »
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Offline bkharman

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2014, 07:26 PM »
The threaded holes are 3" apart, front to back.  They are also 1.5" away from the edge of the plate with is 9" long.  I can mock up the full dimensions if it helps.  I would contemplate drilling holes to accept the 6 bolts vs. buying a new base for the LS/TS.  I bet it possible (provided the existing bolt holes aren't extremely close by.

cheers.  Bryan.
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Offline Anodyne

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2014, 07:55 PM »
This is great. I was just about to order the Incra positioner and was contemplating having a similar plate made. Looking forward to placing an order soon.

Offline bkharman

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2014, 08:12 PM »
This is great. I was just about to order the Incra positioner and was contemplating having a similar plate made. Looking forward to placing an order soon.

It will be a game changer for folks wanting an LS or ones who have it. I assume you are like me and don't have a separate table for assembly, routing, cutting, etc.

Being able to pull my Incra off in a few seconds and then put it back on with no adjusting is awesome.
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Offline Reiska

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2014, 12:13 AM »
So where do I buy one?
The sky's the limit in my workshop, literally. [big grin]

Offline Slappy

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2014, 12:31 AM »
I just ordered one myself , I was about fab one  in AL plate stock but I was concerned about my skills to get it square
 this is well worth me buying one instead
 I have 2 LS petitioners so if this works out i'll get 2  [tongue]

http://precisiondogs.us/products/precision-plate
Mike

Offline b_m_hart

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2014, 01:00 AM »
Ugh.  PayPal only - I freaking hate PayPal :(

Offline Kev

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2014, 01:02 AM »
So where do I buy one?

Hope they ship worldwide !!!

This'll save me the effort of doing it myself ... and is therefore more likely to eventuate [embarassed]

Offline Kev

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2014, 01:12 AM »
OK ... ordered one, where is it? - should have been here by now, it's over 5 minutes [big grin]


Offline shed9

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2014, 02:56 AM »
The positioners for the TS are different and the bolt holes do not line up. I have the TS 32 and a standard 25 - the TS has a lower profile plate as opposed to an extruded part to fit the alloy plate that sits on the rails; they do not share bolt hole alignment.

That said, nothing stopping you getting a spare standard base from Incra;

http://www.incrementaltools.com/PARTS_INCRA_LS_Positioner_Only_p/pc-lsonly.htm

Check part 5; Aluminium sub-base pedestal ($11.20)

That or drilling new holes, if possible. Importing new base is quite pricey around here unfortunately. Usually around $90 shipping + import tax on the total amount. Rough estimate that part would cost me x10  [scared]
Nice product, but kind of an oversight they didnt take compatibility into account though :(
Maybe they can make updates in a future production run, but wishful thinking probably.

These guys are closer to home;

http://www.fine-tools.com/werkstatt.html

Drop them an email regarding the part, they should be able to get it for you.

Offline Michael_Swe

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2014, 04:04 AM »
Thanks!
I just ordered one. This is exactly what I need but never find the time to make.
//Michael

Offline CJ'60

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2014, 07:08 AM »
That or drilling new holes, if possible. Importing new base is quite pricey around here unfortunately. Usually around $90 shipping + import tax on the total amount. Rough estimate that part would cost me x10  [scared]
Nice product, but kind of an oversight they didnt take compatibility into account though :(
Maybe they can make updates in a future production run, but wishful thinking probably.

There is a dutch reseller of Incra, that might be more convenient for you to import from...

Best, Karel

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Offline bkharman

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2014, 08:08 AM »
That or drilling new holes, if possible. Importing new base is quite pricey around here unfortunately. Usually around $90 shipping + import tax on the total amount. Rough estimate that part would cost me x10  [scared]
Nice product, but kind of an oversight they didnt take compatibility into account though :(
Maybe they can make updates in a future production run, but wishful thinking probably.

There is a dutch reseller of Incra, that might be more convenient for you to import from...

Best, Karel

The company that made the plate is a small US based company. I had the link in my original post as well as slappy posted it.

They do ship international as well. I would email him questions about going through a regional Incra distributor.

Enjoy!
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Offline bkharman

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2014, 08:09 AM »
I just ordered one myself , I was about fab one  in AL plate stock but I was concerned about my skills to get it square
 this is well worth me buying one instead
 I have 2 LS petitioners so if this works out i'll get 2  [tongue]

http://precisiondogs.us/products/precision-plate

The plate is so worth it. It is a joy to work with. It took me < 10 minutes for initial setup and mere seconds to unattach and reattach.

You will really like it.
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Offline bkharman

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2014, 08:10 AM »
A couple more iphone photos of just the plate:



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Offline CJ'60

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2014, 08:37 AM »
That or drilling new holes, if possible. Importing new base is quite pricey around here unfortunately. Usually around $90 shipping + import tax on the total amount. Rough estimate that part would cost me x10  [scared]
Nice product, but kind of an oversight they didnt take compatibility into account though :(
Maybe they can make updates in a future production run, but wishful thinking probably.

There is a dutch reseller of Incra, that might be more convenient for you to import from...

Best, Karel

The company that made the plate is a small US based company. I had the link in my original post as well as slappy posted it.

They do ship international as well. I would email him questions about going through a regional Incra distributor.

Enjoy!

I was referring to the new baseplate for his Incra that Jonathan was considering, not the precision plate.
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Offline bkharman

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2014, 08:43 AM »
That or drilling new holes, if possible. Importing new base is quite pricey around here unfortunately. Usually around $90 shipping + import tax on the total amount. Rough estimate that part would cost me x10  [scared]
Nice product, but kind of an oversight they didnt take compatibility into account though :(
Maybe they can make updates in a future production run, but wishful thinking probably.

There is a dutch reseller of Incra, that might be more convenient for you to import from...

Best, Karel

The company that made the plate is a small US based company. I had the link in my original post as well as slappy posted it.

They do ship international as well. I would email him questions about going through a regional Incra distributor.

Enjoy!

I was referring to the new baseplate for his Incra that Jonathan was considering, not the precision plate.

My bad Karel...  Trying to read this on a smartphone screen doesn't always work so well!  ;)
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Offline Reiska

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2014, 08:51 AM »
Oh, duh! They do ship internationally, but not to Finland - at least from their shopping cart. I've contacted both Precision Dogs and Dieter about this issue... Lets see who's quicker ;-)
Edit: Well, both Dieter and Jerry got back to me promptly and Jerry added Finland to the list of shipping countries... and wait for it... sold-out with the plates before I managed to order one... [doh]
Well, at least I have placed my order for my metric LS25 Superfence kit + router bit selections from Dieter and once Jerry gets more plates in stock I'll get the plate... haven't ordered the MFT-VL yet so no major rush... just a bit of a D'oh moment Homer style  [tongue]
« Last Edit: April 12, 2014, 12:00 AM by Reiska »
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Offline Michael_Swe

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2014, 09:00 AM »
I payed USD 32 for USPS First Class (1-3 days) shipping to Sweden.

Offline bkharman

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2014, 09:04 AM »
Oh, duh! They do ship internationally, but not to Finland - at least from their shopping cart. I've contacted both Precision Dogs and Dieter about this issue... Lets see who's quicker ;-)

Reiska,

I am glad you posted, you were one of the people I thought of when this came out!  I do hope you end up with one as it is a solid interface. I know you have limited (indoor) space to work with so getting your LS on and off the table quickly is key.

Let me know who responds first!  ;)
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Offline Slappy

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2014, 01:32 PM »
that's the beauty of this whole design is the speed in set-up & then removing the LS positioner from the table all the while of being absolutely Square with no need to adjust anything to be square .
 I was working on building my own design but was hung up on getting a absolute square jig outta my own limited tooling in my shop .
 I had gotten the all materials I needed & was proceeding forward but when this hit , I added up all $$$ I had in material costs , this plate was near that figure .
 with any mistake or slight flaw in my design that would have put me over in costs of materials & some AL plate stock with holes in it  [sad] I couldn't use .
 the materials I have can now be re-purposed but couldn't be used  IF I had flawed in any way .
 I got a shipping notice a hour after I ordered , I should have it in hand tomorrow   
 as they ship from La La Land   [cool]
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Offline b_m_hart

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2014, 05:50 PM »
Got over my loathing of PayPal and ordered... got shipping and tracking info within an hour or so!

Offline bkharman

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2014, 05:53 PM »
Got over my loathing of PayPal and ordered... got shipping and tracking info within an hour or so!

I am not the biggest PP fan either (and I contract with them!) but I am glad you are picking one up...  I am shooting a quick video how well it works and will have it up In a few.

EDIT: Here is the video I made demonstrating how easy it is to "set and forget" this plate... One handed no less!!

« Last Edit: April 09, 2014, 06:30 PM by bkharman »
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Offline bkharman

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #29 on: April 09, 2014, 07:31 PM »
Bump for video add above.
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Offline iamnothim

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #30 on: April 10, 2014, 12:47 PM »
I truly want one for my CMS/VL.
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Offline bkharman

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #31 on: April 10, 2014, 01:16 PM »
I truly want one for my CMS/VL.
Dust collection is the only rub.

Hey there.  Dust collection is superb with the LS fence.  I didn't show it on my pics, but the large 36mm hose connects to the side of the LS and collects through the fence itself.  The smaller hose still connects through the router under the table.  Dust collection is nearly as good as the OOTB fence that comes with the CMS.

Do you have an LS currently?  Or are you looking at getting one?

cheers.  Bryan.
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Offline iamnothim

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #32 on: April 10, 2014, 06:36 PM »
I've got a pair of MFT/3's and a CMS/LS
Thanks for the clarification on the dust collection.

It would greatly reduce the CMS fence setup time.
Very tempting.
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Offline bkharman

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #33 on: April 10, 2014, 07:35 PM »
I've got a pair of MFT/3's and a CMS/LS
Thanks for the clarification on the dust collection.

It would greatly reduce the CMS fence setup time.
Very tempting.

Which CMS do you have?  The VL or the GE?  If you have the VL, the setup works very well. I will take a pic or two of the dust connection when I get home. Like I said, it works really well but there could be some improvement.
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Offline richk

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #34 on: April 10, 2014, 08:03 PM »
What would be the best way to connect the MFT/3 to the CMS Model GE?

Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #35 on: April 10, 2014, 08:04 PM »
Nice product!

Offline bkharman

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #36 on: April 10, 2014, 08:44 PM »
What would be the best way to connect the MFT/3 to the CMS Model GE?

I don't have a GE, but I believe you can use the same MFT to MFT connectors. Hopefully someone with an MFT can speak up.

That being said, the width of the MFT and the width of the CMS-GE are different so it might be a little challenging. Just an FYI.

Cheers. Bryan.
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Offline iamnothim

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #37 on: April 11, 2014, 11:55 AM »
I've got a pair of MFT/3's and a CMS/LS
Thanks for the clarification on the dust collection.

It would greatly reduce the CMS fence setup time.
Very tempting.

Which CMS do you have?  The VL or the GE?  If you have the VL, the setup works very well. I will take a pic or two of the dust connection when I get home. Like I said, it works really well but there could be some improvement.

I guess I don't have an "LS". [huh]  duh

Mines a "VL"  Better yet....  It's the one that connects to an MFT/3  [big grin]
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Offline bkharman

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #38 on: April 11, 2014, 01:02 PM »
I've got a pair of MFT/3's and a CMS/LS
Thanks for the clarification on the dust collection.

It would greatly reduce the CMS fence setup time.
Very tempting.

Which CMS do you have?  The VL or the GE?  If you have the VL, the setup works very well. I will take a pic or two of the dust connection when I get home. Like I said, it works really well but there could be some improvement.

I guess I don't have an "LS". [huh]  duh

Mines a "VL"  Better yet....  It's the one that connects to an MFT/3  [big grin]

Perfect!  Then if you get the Incra LS (either the 17 or 25) you are all setup!  I also have the CMS that only has two legs and attaches to the MFT.

Let me know if you are headed that route. I can definitely give you some ideas of how it can help out. I really like my setup, but I will say it isn't for everyone.
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Offline Slappy

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #39 on: April 11, 2014, 01:53 PM »
I've got a pair of MFT/3's and a CMS/LS
Thanks for the clarification on the dust collection.

It would greatly reduce the CMS fence setup time.
Very tempting.

Which CMS do you have?  The VL or the GE?  If you have the VL, the setup works very well. I will take a pic or two of the dust connection when I get home. Like I said, it works really well but there could be some improvement.

I guess I don't have an "LS". [huh]  duh

Mines a "VL"  Better yet....  It's the one that connects to an MFT/3  [big grin]

Perfect!  Then if you get the Incra LS (either the 17 or 25) you are all setup!  I also have the CMS that only has two legs and attaches to the MFT.

Let me know if you are headed that route. I can definitely give you some ideas of how it can help out. I really like my setup, but I will say it isn't for everyone.
you can use a 32" LS , I ordered one with the base for the router LS positioner  all you do is call Incra @ Incrementaltools.com & they will install the router base plate on a 32"  TS positioner
order this http://www.incrementaltools.com/INCRA_LS_32_Range_Positioner_ONLY_p/ls32.htm
 & then ask that the other base be installed on it
 I have both the 17" & 32" with the bolt on base
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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #40 on: April 12, 2014, 12:34 AM »
 [big grin]

Do you have any other products on the works?

Cheers,

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #41 on: April 12, 2014, 04:55 AM »
Thoughts on ideal length of positioned ...

To my way of thinking, the flexibility of moving this new plate towards and away from the tool using the MFT holes means you can use a modest length positioner and minimise any potential deflection. Does anyone have thoughts on this? I suppose there's a factor of "you can have it, but you don't have to use it" when it comes to the length of the positioners ...I suppose I'm torn between a 17 and a 25 [unsure]

Thoughts?

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #42 on: April 12, 2014, 06:29 AM »
Thoughts on ideal length of positioned ...

To my way of thinking, the flexibility of moving this new plate towards and away from the tool using the MFT holes means you can use a modest length positioner and minimise any potential deflection. Does anyone have thoughts on this? I suppose there's a factor of "you can have it, but you don't have to use it" when it comes to the length of the positioners ...I suppose I'm torn between a 17 and a 25 [unsure]

Thoughts?

I'm not sure you would have much deflection difference between a 17 and a 25. I have the 25 and a 32 and there is no noticeable difference between them two.

The one thing that will catch people out with the longer 25 fence is the space it eats up when its extended out. I would have thought the 17 would be plenty for routing only functions, whereas the 25 would be necessary if you run multiple cutting options such as a router (inset into the the table) and a saw blade.

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #43 on: April 12, 2014, 06:44 AM »
Thinking about this and I'm going to kick myself for suggesting it (I'm open to royalties and first batch run  [smile])


How about.......

a bolt on bracket that allows the above adaptor to sit off an MFT table, i.e. a 90 degree bracket that slides onto the outside of the MFT table profile and allows the positioner alloy housing to sit off the actual table.

You could then butt an LR32 rail to the Incra fence and drill your own MFT tables using the spacing of the rail and precision of the positioner. You would need stop for the rail or another adaptor - maybe a bracket that bypasses the fence and connects to the end of a bare positioner and clips over the rail raised edge.

With some thought behind the adaptor being able to connect to other surfaces such as a couple if bolt holes in addition to the profile slides you could drill any size of MFT table whenever you wanted.


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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #44 on: April 12, 2014, 09:34 AM »
Thoughts on ideal length of positioned ...

To my way of thinking, the flexibility of moving this new plate towards and away from the tool using the MFT holes means you can use a modest length positioner and minimise any potential deflection. Does anyone have thoughts on this? I suppose there's a factor of "you can have it, but you don't have to use it" when it comes to the length of the positioners ...I suppose I'm torn between a 17 and a 25 [unsure]

Thoughts?

Here are my thoughts after having one for a while now. When using with a MFT, I would go with the 17. I bought the 25 thinking it would be nice to have it when/if I get the CMS TS insert. I am not sure I will get it anything soon but to the question about deflection, I can have my 25 out all the way and it doesn't move. You have to really push on the sides by themselves to get it to budge. Everything is solid.

I would say if you are only routing, the 17 is more than fine. If you have a CMS TS (or can get one ;)) then the 25 is probably a bit better. Be warned, the 25 on the MFT all the way out, will take over the whole table!

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #45 on: April 12, 2014, 10:54 AM »
Well, I ordered the 25" model last night specifically to be able to utilize the whole table width when using it with my CMS-TS55 insert as a table saw. We'll see how much full width cutting use it will get.
 
I'm not really expecting to be able to use the MFT as a table while using it as a saw/router table though.
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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #46 on: April 12, 2014, 11:21 AM »
Well, I ordered the 25" model last night specifically to be able to utilize the whole table width when using it with my CMS-TS55 insert as a table saw. We'll see how much full width cutting use it will get.
 
I'm not really expecting to be able to use the MFT as a table while using it as a saw/router table though.

Awesome! 

I generally don't need to use the table for other things also but now with the Precision Plate, I can remove it, do what I need to do and put it back down without worry of recalibrating it.

Workflow and unexpected events are now a lot less worrisome than it was in the past.

Did you order the plate as well Reiska?
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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #47 on: April 12, 2014, 12:13 PM »
Yes and since I'm going to go through customs anyway I ordered the parallel guide set as well. ;-)
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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #48 on: April 12, 2014, 12:31 PM »
Yes and since I'm going to go through customs anyway I ordered the parallel guide set as well. ;-)

Good choice!  I have had the guide set and really like it. It can cut thin rips pretty well and is infinitely adjustable. I have a few t tracks to use with it (up to a 48").
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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #49 on: April 12, 2014, 12:54 PM »
I'll begin with 24" T-trackPlus for the parallel guides and see where to go from there.
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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #50 on: April 12, 2014, 05:51 PM »
I'll begin with 24" T-trackPlus for the parallel guides and see where to go from there.

Hmm, maybe I should have grabbed them too [sad]

Reiska, I'm probably going to hold off on the positioner till you get your 25, please let me know then whether you would have been happier with the 17.

... well, they're both in a shopping basket and I'm hovering over the checkout button [embarassed]

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #51 on: April 12, 2014, 06:05 PM »
I'll begin with 24" T-trackPlus for the parallel guides and see where to go from there.

Hmm, maybe I should have grabbed them too [sad]

Reiska, I'm probably going to hold off on the positioner till you get your 25, please let me know then whether you would have been happier with the 17.

... well, they're both in a shopping basket and I'm hovering over the checkout button [embarassed]

Would you be using the CMS LS Kev?  If you just have the router only, the 17 will be good unless you were going to run grooves and dadoes far out or do some box or dovetail joints where they would be 24" (610mm) tall.

If I were to do it again, with out the TS unit, I would go the 17 route. If you have the TS, get the 25 to get that larger rip width.

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
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the precision plate on the precision dogs website is listed as out of stock. Does anyone know when it will be available again? Is there an alternative, if they stop manufacturing the plate?

thanks

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the precision plate on the precision dogs website is listed as out of stock. Does anyone know when it will be available again? Is there an alternative, if they stop manufacturing the plate?

thanks

Email them, jerry is a great guy to work with. Someone over at Precision should get back to you pretty quickly.
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Here are some pictures of my setup.

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #56 on: February 10, 2015, 04:39 PM »
Wondered how this setup was working for you fellas?  How does this plate work better than a simple mounting to a 3/4" board with holes for Qwas Dogs?  I know I'm missing something here.
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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #57 on: February 10, 2015, 11:23 PM »

Wondered how this setup was working for you fellas?  How does this plate work better than a simple mounting to a 3/4" board with holes for Qwas Dogs?  I know I'm missing something here.

I still use it all the time!  I tried that route first, I had a piece of ¾ MDF with some holes and still ended up using clamps to get it stable.   In all honesty, I worked with Jerry at Precision to come up with a kick butt product so I am a little tied to this one.  ;^)

I love the simplicity, how solid it is and that I can dial it in in under 2 minutes if I move it around or switch from routing to cutting to whatever.

If you make your own or purchase the Precision Plate, you can't go wrong with the combo + Incra fence.

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #58 on: February 11, 2015, 02:32 PM »
Happy camper with mine too.

I just don't feel like using my very precious time making something to fiddling with setup when I can just drop the Incra on the plate into the holes, screw one knob in and start cutting.

Its solid, its neat, hides under the Incra attachment plate, no need to have clamps around, etc. Just a big win.
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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #59 on: February 11, 2015, 09:12 PM »
I am a little slow right now I guess but I don't see the benefit of this setup for anything except a router table attachment to the work bench. I have an LS on my Incra router table. Can the positioner be used on the work table (MFT) for sawing setup etc?

Jack

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #60 on: February 11, 2015, 09:21 PM »
It is mainly for people with MFT and CMS-VL. I use it for routing, cutting and alike. If you ever had to use the stock CMS fence, you would understand a lot quicker!  ;)

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #61 on: February 11, 2015, 09:27 PM »
Thanks Bryan! I have no need for one then.

Jack

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #62 on: February 04, 2017, 03:31 PM »
Longtime lurker, I just bought the CMS-VL basic table, the Incra 25 Super System and the Precision Dog plate.

Concerned I'm going to want that sliding table and hose though...

This community rocks.

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #63 on: February 04, 2017, 06:30 PM »
Longtime lurker, I just bought the CMS-VL basic table, the Incra 25 Super System and the Precision Dog plate.

Concerned I'm going to want that sliding table and hose though...

This community rocks.
I got the sliding table and Y hose at the time of purchase so I never knew better.

Enjoy the setup, I love mine almost 3 years later!!

Cheers. Bryan.


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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #64 on: February 07, 2017, 08:33 AM »
Hi guys,

I have a LS positionner but the steel rule on it has zero on the right side.
If I put it on the left side, the numbers will be upside down.

I can't find a replacement metric steel rule that has the zero on the left side, how did you do ?

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #65 on: February 08, 2017, 07:51 AM »
Hy, your ruler is right. If you position the fence against the blade, zero has to be under the hairlinecurser of the positionner.
now you can slide the fence away from the blade and reed the difference under the hairline. sorry for my bad english. :-[

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #66 on: February 08, 2017, 08:08 AM »
I can't find a replacement metric steel rule that has the zero on the left side, how did you do ?

@ach_78
Have a look at these rules

http://www.incrementaltools.com/PARTS_INCRA_Metric_Scales_p/pc-scalesmm.htm

You might be able to use the lexan ones

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #67 on: February 08, 2017, 11:33 AM »
Yep thanks, I've seen them, but cannot source the steel version which would have been nice

Gonna drop an email to INCRA support and see what they say

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #68 on: February 08, 2017, 11:47 AM »
Also, what is the maximum lenght can be cut with the LS positionner base set as far left as possible (with 2 las holes used) and the MFT rail in it's standard position (meaning not especially shifted to the right) ?

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #69 on: February 08, 2017, 02:35 PM »
Yep thanks, I've seen them, but cannot source the steel version which would have been nice

Gonna drop an email to INCRA support and see what they say

Starrett has English/Metric left to right in the USA.  Not sure about metric only.

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #70 on: February 08, 2017, 08:33 PM »
Also, what is the maximum lenght can be cut with the LS positionner base set as far left as possible (with 2 las holes used) and the MFT rail in it's standard position (meaning not especially shifted to the right) ?

I am not sure I understand the question. Do you mean the distance between the router bit (or saw blade) and the fence face?  If so, it is whatever LS positioner you have.

A LS 25 will give you about 24" from face to bit/blade. If you move the plate to the last set of holes you will have about 4 feet or so since you are taking the table length.

If you have multiple MFTs you could go back really far (not that it is a good thing!).

Hope this helps.

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #71 on: February 13, 2017, 07:58 AM »
What I mean is, say you have a stock MFT and install a LS positionner using that plate in the left-most position. What is the distance between the LS fence fully retracted and the cut ?

This distance should not depend on the the LS positionner

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #72 on: February 13, 2017, 01:09 PM »
What I mean is, say you have a stock MFT and install a LS positionner using that plate in the left-most position. What is the distance between the LS fence fully retracted and the cut ?

This distance should not depend on the the LS positionner

I will have to measure it when I am back in my shop.


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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #73 on: February 19, 2017, 08:20 PM »
What I mean is, say you have a stock MFT and install a LS positionner using that plate in the left-most position. What is the distance between the LS fence fully retracted and the cut ?

This distance should not depend on the the LS positionner

Distance is just under a meter. Right around 90cm with the split fence in and would be at about 97cm without it.

Hope this helps.

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #74 on: February 20, 2017, 11:26 AM »
thanks!

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Re: It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!
« Reply #75 on: April 11, 2017, 02:34 AM »
So does Festool offer a way to buy most everything in included in the CMS-VL set <except> the fence?  That would make this a lot more appealing.  Don't really want to pay for two fences I don't think.  Their website seems to be non-functional when it comes to router tables right now, so I can't really check.

Is the idea here that the Incra LS or TS or whatever serves as a router table fence and acts as a accurate stop for repeatable cuts using the MFT rail?  Does the Incra fence MFT combo provide other functions as well?

Sorry for so many questions - thanks!
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