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Offline jafenske

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Re: Latest Woodpecker OTT - Track Square
« Reply #30 on: March 16, 2016, 09:04 PM »
I get that OTT are generally expensive. The OTT I have purchased before are quality tools that have worked well for me. As a community of makers it makes sense that many of you would have made your version of this tool to solve this problem with your work flow. These tools are made in America by Americans and I think that that has value.

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Re: Latest Woodpecker OTT - Track Square
« Reply #31 on: March 17, 2016, 11:28 PM »
As discussed earlier there are several versions of this jig floating around, this is the one I would purchase  from Rip Dog tools if it ever becomes available for sale.


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Re: Latest Woodpecker OTT - Track Square
« Reply #32 on: March 18, 2016, 12:16 AM »
Ironically , I use the big WP red square for this....

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« Reply #33 on: March 18, 2016, 09:24 AM »
As discussed earlier there are several versions of this jig floating around, this is the one I would purchase  from Rip Dog tools if it ever becomes available for sale.

I like the ripdog design better.  To me it makes more sense to attach to the top slot than beneath because clamps can still be used to affix the rail to the material if desired without removing the attachment.  For the side it also will lay perfectly flat on a surface or against the wall.  Probably the biggest advantage is how far apart the attachments to the rail are which should make it less prone to lose alignment.

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Re: Latest Woodpecker OTT - Track Square
« Reply #34 on: March 18, 2016, 12:01 PM »
Without something that "locks" the far end of the rail, I would be afraid of drifting out-of-square as I progress down the rail. I suppose you could line it up on the squared end, then gingerly apply a track rail clamp at the far end. But it would be so easy to break square.

Also, I find myself often needing every available cm of length of my 1400 rail. So I would frequently be needing to take the square off, then putting it back on and re-squaring.

Now I will brag to my wife that I just saved $99!

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Re: Latest Woodpecker OTT - Track Square
« Reply #35 on: March 18, 2016, 12:14 PM »
Without something that "locks" the far end of the rail, I would be afraid of drifting out-of-square as I progress down the rail. I suppose you could line it up on the squared end, then gingerly apply a track rail clamp at the far end. But it would be so easy to break square.

Also, I find myself often needing every available cm of length of my 1400 rail. So I would frequently be needing to take the square off, then putting it back on and re-squaring.

Now I will brag to my wife that I just saved $99!

If you are finding drift, clean off your sticky grip strips on the back of your track. I don't have any issue of my track moving, unless I am cutting on something, as smooth as MDF, and I have dust which has reduced the effectiveness of the Grip strips on the back of the tracks.  So, although I see other ways to achieve making your own square, or using a square, to square up your track, the drift thing seems that doesn't really apply to the square. You would still have the room to place a clamp on the other end of the track if for some reason someone has an issue of drift.

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Re: Latest Woodpecker OTT - Track Square
« Reply #36 on: March 18, 2016, 06:00 PM »

If you are finding drift, clean off your sticky grip strips on the back of your track. I don't have any issue of my track moving, unless I am cutting on something, as smooth as MDF, and I have dust which has reduced the effectiveness of the Grip strips on the back of the tracks.  So, although I see other ways to achieve making your own square, or using a square, to square up your track, the drift thing seems that doesn't really apply to the square. You would still have the room to place a clamp on the other end of the track if for some reason someone has an issue of drift.

I use pre-finished ply mostly for cabinets and the grip strips aren't great however with the Gecko I think the square type of accessory would be awesome. 

Offline Eden1415

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Re: Latest Woodpecker OTT - Track Square
« Reply #37 on: March 18, 2016, 06:50 PM »
Once square,  clamp at the other end.  Melamine has the same problem.

BTW  I though you were suppose to always get a new tool to complete a project for your wife???  Did I get some thing wrong?  Give money back???



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Re: Latest Woodpecker OTT - Track Square
« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2016, 04:30 AM »
At least part of the cost is wrapped up in the OTT concept. One which I strongly dislike. I get that it is attempting to generate "buzz" or "hype" but you certainly don't need that with quality tools and the cost could be reduced by spreading the research/development over a greater volume. Everyone that may have been interested gets left out because they didn't know soon enough?
There are several OTTs that I would like to have..... too late now though

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Re: Latest Woodpecker OTT - Track Square
« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2016, 09:30 AM »
I am not sure I understand how the new slot on the redesigned tool works. A drawing or picture would have helped.

Did anyone else receive the Woodpecker survey? I did notice that there was not a comment section. I added a comment/complaint in the section on tools used.  Wonder if I will get a reply.

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Re: Latest Woodpecker OTT - Track Square
« Reply #40 on: March 25, 2016, 10:54 AM »
I am not sure I understand how the new slot on the redesigned tool works. A drawing or picture would have helped.

Did anyone else receive the Woodpecker survey? I did notice that there was not a comment section. I added a comment/complaint in the section on tools used.  Wonder if I will get a reply.


It looks to me like you'd put your clamp in the track then slide the square against your workpiece. The change just made clearance for the clamp.

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« Reply #41 on: March 25, 2016, 12:49 PM »
Did anyone else receive the Woodpecker survey?

Ya I did, thought is was kind of goofy though...
Woodpeckers questions: Are you willing to pay extra for tools made in the US?
What are your favorite woodworking tool manufacturers?

I don't know how my answer of early Powermatic products (pre-Jet) will help them much.  [huh]

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Re: Latest Woodpecker OTT - Track Square
« Reply #42 on: March 26, 2016, 11:37 PM »
Did anyone else receive the Woodpecker survey?

Ya I did, thought is was kind of goofy though...
Woodpeckers questions: Are you willing to pay extra for tools made in the US?
What are your favorite woodworking tool manufacturers?

I don't know how my answer of early Powermatic products (pre-Jet) will help them much.  [huh]

It's gathering data which they will then analyze and potentially make decisions on.  Without the data they're just guessing.  I think it's very clever. 

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« Reply #43 on: March 27, 2016, 01:42 AM »
[quote author=Scorpion link=topic=45595.msg450465#msg450465 date=1459049859
It's gathering data which they will then analyze and potentially make decisions on.  Without the data they're just guessing.  I think it's very clever. 
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I guess you probably need to see all of the questions they asked. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of Woodpeckers and own a ton of their OTT tools, but this survey was strange to say the least. I never did divine in which direction they were heading and what information exactly they were trying to ferret out.
Actually, after completing the survey and submitting it, I just sat and thought, what were they really looking for and how will this survey benefit their cause?

Time will tell...

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Re: Latest Woodpecker OTT - Track Square
« Reply #44 on: March 27, 2016, 08:55 PM »
[quote author=Scorpion link=topic=45595.msg450465#msg450465 date=1459049859
It's gathering data which they will then analyze and potentially make decisions on.  Without the data they're just guessing.  I think it's very clever. 

I guess you probably need to see all of the questions they asked. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of Woodpeckers and own a ton of their OTT tools, but this survey was strange to say the least. I never did divine in which direction they were heading and what information exactly they were trying to ferret out.
Actually, after completing the survey and submitting it, I just sat and thought, what were they really looking for and how will this survey benefit their cause?

Time will tell...
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I took the survey too.  I also felt the questions and intended purposes weren't obvious but am used to data mining activities because of what I do.   N their mind the answer to the questions likely hep them understand something they think they want to know about...like feedback from a group f buddies during a bench racing session.   To your point, unless we know what the intent was, we may not get it.


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Re: Latest Woodpecker OTT - Track Square
« Reply #45 on: March 27, 2016, 11:05 PM »
Woodpecker should be very careful how they analyze the data they are gathering.

Many years ago I read a book in which the author argued that the downfall of RCA as a major American company was greatly hastened by the huge amount of money that the company wasted on the development of the video disc. The disc and player never sold very well and was soon totally destroyed as a product by the VCR. Even before the VCR, the major problem was that each side of the disc only held about 30 minutes of pre-recorded material. A 2 hour movie meant changing a disc 3 times.

A retrospective analysis of the pre marketing research reveled that the research had been hugely biased in favor of positive ratings for the video disc. Proper research might have revealed that the demand for the product was going to be small and RCA could have invested the money in something else that might have kept the company going for a much longer time.

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Re: Latest Woodpecker OTT - Track Square
« Reply #46 on: April 04, 2016, 12:33 AM »


http://www.woodpeck.com/tracksquare.html

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« Reply #47 on: April 04, 2016, 12:49 AM »
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« Reply #48 on: April 04, 2016, 01:09 AM »
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Re: Latest Woodpecker OTT - Track Square
« Reply #49 on: May 11, 2016, 11:24 PM »
for those of you interested in a real solution to the concerns in this thread I invite you to keep an eye out for a new post with pictures from me on this subject later in June  [wink]
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« Reply #50 on: May 12, 2016, 07:18 AM »
@Klemm Interesting....keep us posted

for those of you interested in a real solution to the concerns in this thread I invite you to keep an eye out for a new post with pictures from me on this subject later in June  [wink]
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Re: Latest Woodpecker OTT - Track Square
« Reply #51 on: June 12, 2016, 11:19 PM »
several examples of the new GRS-16 Guide Rail Square are already in the hands of several craftsmen around the country for evaluation at this time.
Hint: no more re-squaring after removing or even after installing the first time [smile]
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Re: Latest Woodpecker OTT - Track Square
« Reply #52 on: January 02, 2017, 04:19 PM »
    Here's my way of using the parallel guide with a rail to make nice square crosscuts. 

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« Reply #53 on: January 02, 2017, 04:26 PM »
    Here's my way of using the parallel guide with a rail to make nice square crosscuts. 
that works great in the shop.
i used to do this untill i bought the tso version.
the problem with this is that you cant put it in the systainer
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