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Title: light for 1400 router
Post by: Peter Durand on February 20, 2019, 02:04 PM
I had to freehand along a number of curves with a "rabbit" bit. If I kept the dust collection plastic shield in place I could not see

 the line I was to follow due to lack of light. I had to remove the dust thingie  to get a view. What a messy, dusty experience that was!

My question is: is there an aftermarket light that can be attached to the router so that  it shines a light on the bit?

Thanks,

Regards,
Peter
Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: Bob D. on February 20, 2019, 04:18 PM
You'd think someone would have created one by now. After all, Craftsman had them available as an accessory over 40 years ago. I know because I had one for what they called their Commercial Router back in the early 70s. I searched and found the manual online which had a picture of accessories available for the router. It was pretty simple and not very bright, but it did put some light right on the work. Ran on a pair of AA batteries as I remember and fastened to the side of the router with two screws. It fit a couple different model routers.

Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: Renovatedspaces on February 20, 2019, 04:23 PM
Craftsman actually had them built in to many of their routers standard for a while as well.  I’m actually surprised Festool dropped the ball on this. I am in the market for a 1400, but I assumed it would have a light.
Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: justaguy on February 20, 2019, 05:11 PM
I've seen reports of people using a Dremel FL400 strategically placed with a couple of cable ties. I've not tried it myself but I have ordered an FL400 after searching for one at a reasonable price.

Take a look here Dremel FL400 on a 1400 (http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/festool-of-1400-router-lighting-options/) look about 1/2 way down the page.

Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: RKA on February 20, 2019, 05:51 PM
If you feel like getting crafty, here is some inspiration from mirock.
http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/led-light-for-my-festool-of1010-router/msg474343/#msg474343 (http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/led-light-for-my-festool-of1010-router/msg474343/#msg474343)
Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: Don T on February 20, 2019, 06:03 PM
Here is one I just found on Amazon and it is only $13.99.
Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: rmhinden on February 20, 2019, 11:13 PM
I found these on Amazon, see:

[attach=1]

Button Lamp Adhesive LEDs Light Package (https://www.amazon.com/BUTTON-LAMP-Adhesive-Light-Package/dp/B0721NYMJN/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=BUTTON+LAMP+Adhesive+LEDs&qid=1550721969&s=hi&sr=1-2)

I was thinking they could just be stuck on the inside of the router.   They look pretty small, have an on/off switch, and adhesive backing.   Not too expensive, only $9.43 for 6.

I have not gotten any to try them out.

Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: rmhinden on February 20, 2019, 11:20 PM
Update, I just ordered a set, will arrive on Friday.

I will report back.

Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: SoonerFan on February 21, 2019, 09:27 PM
Thanks in advance for reporting back.  Curious if / how well these might work.


Update, I just ordered a set, will arrive on Friday.

I will report back.
Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: Mr_Mod on February 22, 2019, 05:43 AM
I was wondering whether these round LED photography lights could work
Ebay (https://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_sop=10&_nkw=led+dimmable+ring+camera+lamp&ul_noapp=true)
Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: RobBob on February 22, 2019, 06:08 AM
I wonder if you could combine these two items:

light (https://www.amazon.com/Reloading-Press-Hornady-Single-Presses/dp/B01N4EV7E0/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1504824956&sr=8-4&keywords=reloading+press+light)  $17.00 + battery pack (https://microfence.com/product/light-ring-battery-pack/)  $30.00

Looks like all you would have to do is change one of the female plugs to a compatible male plug?

Or, the expensive option:
Microfence light ring (https://microfence.com/product/light-ring-kits/)
Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: Renovatedspaces on February 22, 2019, 07:42 AM
If it fits, I would be going with the light ring. Actually, I’d give it a go to copy it and make it myself first.
Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: TinyShop on February 22, 2019, 10:35 AM
I wonder if you could combine these two items:

light (https://www.amazon.com/Reloading-Press-Hornady-Single-Presses/dp/B01N4EV7E0/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1504824956&sr=8-4&keywords=reloading+press+light)  $17.00 + battery pack (https://microfence.com/product/light-ring-battery-pack/)  $30.00

Looks like all you would have to do is change one of the female plugs to a compatible male plug?

Or, the expensive option:
Microfence light ring (https://microfence.com/product/light-ring-kits/)

A word of caution - there may be an issue trying to power the "KMS Squared UFO Reloading Press Light Kit" (which appears to be optimized for a 12-volt, 1A power supply) with a single 9-volt battery (~9-volts, ~500mAh). Perhaps someone far more knowledgeable about electricity can chime in.
Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: Renovatedspaces on February 22, 2019, 10:41 AM
I wonder if you could combine these two items:

light (https://www.amazon.com/Reloading-Press-Hornady-Single-Presses/dp/B01N4EV7E0/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1504824956&sr=8-4&keywords=reloading+press+light)  $17.00 + battery pack (https://microfence.com/product/light-ring-battery-pack/)  $30.00

Looks like all you would have to do is change one of the female plugs to a compatible male plug?

Or, the expensive option:
Microfence light ring (https://microfence.com/product/light-ring-kits/)

A word of caution - there may be an issue trying to power the "KMS Squared UFO Reloading Press Light Kit" (which appears to be optimized for a 12-volt, 1A power supply) with a single 9-volt battery (~9-volts, ~500mAh). Perhaps someone far more knowledgeable about electricity can chime in.

A better option is to use a Li-Po  battery from a hobby store. Lots of power for runtime.
Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: TinyShop on February 22, 2019, 11:04 AM
Just stumbled upon these US$10 adhesive LED light strips w/battery pack:

(https://www.ledsupply.com/images/products/preview/aa-20-flex.jpg)

[Source: https://www.ledsupply.com/led-strips/battery-operated-led-flex-strip?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIrr6gjNvP4AIVA41pCh2qyQwyEAQYASABEgKwafD_BwE]
Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: TinyShop on February 22, 2019, 11:12 AM
Then there are these various diameter round "halo" light strips (12V-30V):

https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/led-halo-rings/led-angel-eye-headlight-accent-lights-cob/1135/

Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: TinyShop on February 22, 2019, 11:16 AM
Better yet, this US$13.56 (shipped) 3 AA battery-powered self-adhesive LED light strip kit (w/remote control!):

(https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTUwMFgxNTAw/z/pW0AAOSwWH1cPu45/$_1.JPG?set_id=2)

[Source: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Battery-Powered-LED-Strip-Lights-17-Keys-Remote-Controlled-DIY-Indoor-and-/163489886868?_trksid=p2349526.m4383.l4275.c10#viTabs_0]
Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: Renovatedspaces on February 22, 2019, 12:15 PM
Better yet, this US$13.56 (shipped) 3 AA battery-powered self-adhesive LED light strip kit (w/remote control!):

(https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTUwMFgxNTAw/z/pW0AAOSwWH1cPu45/$_1.JPG?set_id=2)

[Source: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Battery-Powered-LED-Strip-Lights-17-Keys-Remote-Controlled-DIY-Indoor-and-/163489886868?_trksid=p2349526.m4383.l4275.c10#viTabs_0]

These lights don’t bend to the radius we would need if installed to point down at the work.
Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: mcooley on February 22, 2019, 04:37 PM
I have plans for making one and putting it out there for purchase. I also have many other small affordable add-on type designs which if there is demand might be possible to do as well. The light for the router is the tip of the iceberg really. 
Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: rmhinden on February 22, 2019, 07:43 PM
Regarding the button lamp.  Here is a before and after picture with my OF 1010 router:

[attachimg=1][attachimg=2]

They do seem to work to better illuminate the router base.  I need to spend some more time to make some inserts to create a better platform to stick them to.   They might work better in an OF1400 as it may have a larger place to mount them.   I don't have a OF 1400 so can't tell.

I may also try trying to modify one of the lamps to see if I can make it fit better.   

Overall, well worth the $10 :-)


Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: TinyShop on February 22, 2019, 08:28 PM
FWIW the manufacturer of the throw-away (batteries are not replaceable) LED button lights is currently running a 25%-off site-wide coupon w/free shipping (code is FEB25):

https://www.panthervision.com/product/button-lamp-adhesive-leds-6-pack/

IOW $7.49 shipped ($1.24/each).
Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: TinyShop on February 22, 2019, 08:46 PM
Here's a little LED lamp with replaceable batteries:

https://www.100candles.com/i-9510/White-Submersible-LED-Light?affId=121&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIzZv-mdvQ4AIVjJyzCh1-kAaYEAQYBCABEgIeJfD_BwE

Unsure what the lumen output is but seems like a little dot of Velcro would work nicely for affixing one or two to the body of the router.

The same source also has a three-diode version:

https://www.100candles.com/i-6401/White-Submersible-Triple-LED-Light

US$11.73 for two incl. shipping.
Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: tomp on February 23, 2019, 07:59 AM
From another forum, here are instructions for making a lighted base for a router. He replaces the OEM base with a thicker acrylic and installs the LEDs in that. The lights are powered by a 9V battery but there was some discussion about wiring them into the router power too. I don't have a Festool router so not sure how this would apply, but it's certainly a very well thought-out modification.

[attachurl=1]
Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: Cheese on February 23, 2019, 09:03 AM
From another forum, here are instructions for making a lighted base for a router. He replaces the OEM base with a thicker acrylic and installs the LEDs in that. The lights are powered by a 9V battery but there was some discussion about wiring them into the router power too. I don't have a Festool router so not sure how this would apply, but it's certainly a very well thought-out modification.

That's exactly the solution that MLCS uses. They use LED's and a red laser. Pretty inexpensive...$59 on sale.

https://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/smarthtml/pages/onpoint_router_plate.html
Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: Vondawg on February 23, 2019, 09:32 AM
That’s pretty cool !
Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: rmhinden on February 23, 2019, 11:45 AM
From another forum, here are instructions for making a lighted base for a router. He replaces the OEM base with a thicker acrylic and installs the LEDs in that. The lights are powered by a 9V battery but there was some discussion about wiring them into the router power too. I don't have a Festool router so not sure how this would apply, but it's certainly a very well thought-out modification.

(Attachment Link)

That is interesting.  I wonder if a similar setup could be done by gluing the LEDs to the outside of OF 1010 dust hood.   No new base required.  Maybe with a connector to make it easier to remove it.   
Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: bkharman on February 23, 2019, 12:20 PM
Any reason not to put a headlamp on?  I use one for a lot of things like this. Light placement is exactly where you want it and you can get one on the cheap. I picked one of these up recently from Kickstarter and it is awesome.

https://www.bioliteenergy.com/products/headlamp-330?variant=12623810953315

Cheers. Bryan.


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Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: tallgrass on February 23, 2019, 02:46 PM
the reason not to do it is that is would be easy. I am going to do this. A great simply idea. I will use the lamps that use rechargeable AA batteries.
Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: Bob D. on February 23, 2019, 02:59 PM
Better yet, this US$13.56 (shipped) 3 AA battery-powered self-adhesive LED light strip kit (w/remote control!):

(https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTUwMFgxNTAw/z/pW0AAOSwWH1cPu45/$_1.JPG?set_id=2)

[Source: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Battery-Powered-LED-Strip-Lights-17-Keys-Remote-Controlled-DIY-Indoor-and-/163489886868?_trksid=p2349526.m4383.l4275.c10#viTabs_0]

You could change the color of the light depending on if you are working with light or dark woods. :-)

These lights don’t bend to the radius we would need if installed to point down at the work.
Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: DeformedTree on February 23, 2019, 03:18 PM
Someone just needs to develop a fully integrated kit for the routers to add a light and set up a business for this.  Then Festool will introduce new routers a week later with a light!
Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: Jack01 on February 23, 2019, 10:58 PM
Regarding the button lamp.  Here is a before and after picture with my OF 1010 router:

(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)

They do seem to work to better illuminate the router base.  I need to spend some more time to make some inserts to create a better platform to stick them to.   They might work better in an OF1400 as it may have a larger place to mount them.   I don't have a OF 1400 so can't tell.

I may also try trying to modify one of the lamps to see if I can make it fit better.   

Overall, well worth the $10 :-)

Thanks for sharing

I believe these are size of a quarter?
Where did you install this on your 1010 router?
Picture of the installed light?
Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: rmhinden on February 24, 2019, 01:04 AM

Thanks for sharing

I believe these are size of a quarter?
Where did you install this on your 1010 router?
Picture of the installed light?


They are about 1 1/4" diameter, and 7/8" if you trim the wide base, not counting the LED part.    They are about 9/16" thick.

Two pictures:

[attachimg=1][attachimg=2]

I hope this is helpful.   I did trim them to make them easier to fit.  Probably no longer waterproof, but it doesn't appear to impact their operation.  I used the thick double sided tape to mount them, several layers cut to fit.


Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: rst on February 24, 2019, 09:11 AM
True dat, Deformed, a couple months after I invested in a pair of Virutex vacuum pods, Festool decided to release the vac system here,  which of course I had to have because of the various head options.
Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: mcooley on February 24, 2019, 09:31 AM
Ideally the light source would work best if it were housed in the actual dust shroud. But as we all know that dust shroud has a lot of its own issues at least on the 1400. A proper solution as far as marketing goes would be to fix the dust shroud issues and then integrate the light in there as well. I am convinced no one at Festool really tested that shroud on the 1400 in terms of real world use and durability. First to go is that removable clear sliding portion etc.

And while we are at it what the 1400 also needs as an addition to the knob for adjusting depth is a switch on top to do the same function that way when the router is on the track we can use our same hand for pushing down to lock it. There are a lot of situations where the track guide needs to be firmly held in place which makes doing the operation above with one's other hand while plunging really annoying. Maybe for now we need a forearm ergo pad on the guide itself?  [eek]
Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: TinyShop on February 25, 2019, 01:03 PM
Here's a little LED lamp with replaceable batteries:

https://www.100candles.com/i-9510/White-Submersible-LED-Light?affId=121&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIzZv-mdvQ4AIVjJyzCh1-kAaYEAQYBCABEgIeJfD_BwE

Unsure what the lumen output is but seems like a little dot of Velcro would work nicely for affixing one or two to the body of the router.

The same source also has a three-diode version:

https://www.100candles.com/i-6401/White-Submersible-Triple-LED-Light

US$11.73 for two incl. shipping.

Heard back from the retailer: the three diode version that I referenced above has a 21 lumen output (for comparison, the one-time use/throw-away button lights have a 17 lumen output).
Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: Renovatedspaces on March 02, 2019, 07:40 AM
Here's a little LED lamp with replaceable batteries:

https://www.100candles.com/i-9510/White-Submersible-LED-Light?affId=121&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIzZv-mdvQ4AIVjJyzCh1-kAaYEAQYBCABEgIeJfD_BwE

Unsure what the lumen output is but seems like a little dot of Velcro would work nicely for affixing one or two to the body of the router.

What are the dust shroud issues?

The same source also has a three-diode version:

https://www.100candles.com/i-6401/White-Submersible-Triple-LED-Light

US$11.73 for two incl. shipping.

Heard back from the retailer: the three diode version that I referenced above has a 21 lumen output (for comparison, the one-time use/throw-away button lights have a 17 lumen output).
Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: TinyShop on March 02, 2019, 08:55 AM
@Renovatedspaces - I think you meant to tag @mcooley, no?
Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: rst on March 02, 2019, 09:48 AM
I bought the three diode buttons from 100 candles...not impressed with light output...keep looking for other options
Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: Renovatedspaces on March 02, 2019, 10:09 AM
@Renovatedspaces - I think you meant to tag @mcooley, no?

yep! Thanks for catching that.
Title: Re: light for 1400 router
Post by: Renovatedspaces on March 02, 2019, 10:10 AM
Ideally the light source would work best if it were housed in the actual dust shroud. But as we all know that dust shroud has a lot of its own issues at least on the 1400. A proper solution as far as marketing goes would be to fix the dust shroud issues and then integrate the light in there as well. I am convinced no one at Festool really tested that shroud on the 1400 in terms of real world use and durability. First to go is that removable clear sliding portion etc.

And while we are at it what the 1400 also needs as an addition to the knob for adjusting depth is a switch on top to do the same function that way when the router is on the track we can use our same hand for pushing down to lock it. There are a lot of situations where the track guide needs to be firmly held in place which makes doing the operation above with one's other hand while plunging really annoying. Maybe for now we need a forearm ergo pad on the guide itself?  [eek]

What are the shroud issues?