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Offline ben_r_

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2017, 01:39 PM »
I wish I would have bought an MFS before the discontinued them.

Anyone made any progress getting Virtulux so sell us the parts?
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Offline PatR

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2017, 01:56 PM »
Hello Ben

I spoke to Ney UK on Friday, they are the Virutex distributors in the UK. They can get the PF400 from Spain in approximately 10 days at a cost of £224 plus £15 carriage. This compares to an average price of £161 delivered for the Festool MFS400 when it comes back into stock.

From the photo's in the Virutex catalogue it looks to be exactly the same. I do not know what carriage would be to CONUS.


Offline ben_r_

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2017, 02:17 PM »
Hello Ben

I spoke to Ney UK on Friday, they are the Virutex distributors in the UK. They can get the PF400 from Spain in approximately 10 days at a cost of £224 plus £15 carriage. This compares to an average price of £161 delivered for the Festool MFS400 when it comes back into stock.

From the photo's in the Virutex catalogue it looks to be exactly the same. I do not know what carriage would be to CONUS.


Interesting.

FWIW I just found these two sellers on eBay from Germany listing the MFS 400 and MFS 700 kits:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Festool-Frasschablone-MFS-400-492610-/171419553994?hash=item27e966d0ca:g:7TEAAOSw-0xYP-zC

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Festool-Frasschablone-MFS-700-492611-/181216065752?hash=item2a3151b8d8:g:1cMAAOSwcUBYP-s-

Waiting to hear back on how much they want for shipping to the US.
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Offline Corwin

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2017, 04:33 PM »
I wish I would have bought an MFS before the discontinued them.

Anyone made any progress getting Virtulux so sell us the parts?

I asked their US office about the router templates. Didn't get any response about the PF400 or PF700 templates, but they do offer the stair template. http://virutex.com/templateforstairs-pfp.aspx
Looks like your rabbit joint is a hare off! ;)

Offline tjskinny

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #34 on: February 01, 2017, 04:20 PM »
I decided to give the Virutex Stair Template a try, I ordered them from Virutex US website; which no longer lists them for some reason.

They are essentially the same as MFS 200, 400, and 700 profiles. 



Same 16mm thickness and 80mm width.

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The interal webs of the extrusions are slightly different.
 
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The end track alignment features are different,  the Virutex mills a tenion in the end and Festool uses installed round plugs. 

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The Festool MFS extrusions will attach to the Virutex PFP extrusions.

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And visa versa.

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But they do look like a perfect alternative if you decided to purchase rather than make your own.   
« Last Edit: February 01, 2017, 04:31 PM by tjskinny »

Offline Corwin

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #35 on: February 01, 2017, 09:32 PM »
I decided to give the Virutex Stair Template a try, I ordered them from Virutex US website; which no longer lists them for some reason.

That's odd. They were on their website the other day. Guess you must be lucky.  [big grin]
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Offline ben_r_

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2017, 09:33 PM »
Yep, their gone from the USA site now:

http://virutex.com/stairstemplate.aspx
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Offline ScotF

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #37 on: February 01, 2017, 10:14 PM »
You must have ordered the last one!  [laughing]

Offline tjskinny

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #38 on: February 02, 2017, 02:53 AM »
I guess I did get lucky.

You know what they say -  "Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes". 

I wasn't too sure if the order had worked,as I had placed it, received a confirmation from PayPal but not from Virutex.  My account order stayed as "processing" for a about 4 days.  So i called them, they said they had some glitches in there ordering system and didn't get a notification of my order, but they would ship it out right away.

And even up till just the other night, the Template was still showing on the website. 

 Maybe a run on them?

Offline ben_r_

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #39 on: February 02, 2017, 11:34 AM »
I guess I did get lucky.

You know what they say -  "Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes". 
And even a broken clock gets to be right twice a day.
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Offline Corwin

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #40 on: February 02, 2017, 05:21 PM »
I guess I did get lucky.

Virutex sent me a reply today stating that "the price for the PF400 will be 181.66 and delivery for about 5 weeks." I had also asked about the PF700, but they must have missed that...
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Offline ben_r_

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #41 on: February 02, 2017, 07:17 PM »
I guess I did get lucky.

Virutex sent me a reply today stating that "the price for the PF400 will be 181.66 and delivery for about 5 weeks." I had also asked about the PF700, but they must have missed that...
$181.66 USD? And was that including shipping or not?
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Offline Corwin

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #42 on: February 02, 2017, 09:52 PM »
$181.66 USD? And was that including shipping or not?

Yes, $181.66 USD. But, they did not mention the cost of shipping.
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Offline tjskinny

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #43 on: February 03, 2017, 01:37 PM »
The shipping cost to Washington state for the stair template was $22.00. 

Offline ben_r_

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #44 on: February 03, 2017, 05:15 PM »
Wow, so if its around $200 USD shipped thatd be a pretty good price.
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Offline GarryMartin

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #45 on: February 06, 2017, 10:12 AM »
One of the Festool GB team mentioned on Instagram that he believes the MFS profiles are "coming back". I don't know whether it will apply to the US as well if they do, but definitely good news if it's true. I'm trying to find out more.

Offline promark747

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #46 on: February 06, 2017, 11:54 AM »
That would be great news, as I'd like to pick up a couple additional profiles (assuming they are in metric...).

I used my MFS this past weekend to clean up the inside of my router plate opening.  I had routed the lip and then used a jigsaw to cut the hole, but I wasn't happy with the ragged cut.  I whipped out the MFS and with a couple quick calculations had it sized properly to take off a final couple of millimeters with a straight bit.  Worked great.

An improvement I'd like to see is having the gradations etched into the aluminum rather than just printed on, but considering how astronomical the price already was, I can't imagine them doing that.

Offline ben_r_

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #47 on: February 06, 2017, 12:40 PM »
Cool. Maybe theyll bring them to the US in Imperial now since they seem to be switching all their other tools to Imperial here.
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Offline Cheese

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #48 on: February 08, 2017, 10:20 AM »
An improvement I'd like to see is having the gradations etched into the aluminum rather than just printed on, but considering how astronomical the price already was, I can't imagine them doing that.

I believe the numbers/graduations are already laser etched into the MFS. However it would be a fairly simple manufacturing process change to substitute laser engraving for the laser etching.

That could also be the reason the MFS 2000 was never marked...it was too long to fit into the laser engraver.

Offline hayaku

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #49 on: February 25, 2017, 12:53 PM »
there's 2 substitutes that you can buy:

1: is trend's varijig system adjustable frame or their smaller letterbox jig.
https://www.amazon.com/Trend-VARIJIG-Frame-System/dp/B001UQ5PDK

and 2: fukuda's router tool used mainly by car audio fabricators.  they have A LOT of router jigs that are really cool.
http://www.mobilesolutions-usa.com/store/p216/Fukuda_12%22x12%22_Router_Tool.html
http://i1342.photobucket.com/albums/o768/caraudiofabrication/DSC_2077_zps9hrvmmu6.jpg

i'm going to be picking up the fukuda jig i think since i can't get the mfs or the virutex versions.
« Last Edit: September 06, 2017, 11:49 AM by hayaku »

Offline rst

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #50 on: April 12, 2017, 02:12 PM »
This is not exactly in line with this topic but deals with the MFS system.  I bought my first two sets from Amazon Warehouse.  Both sets were damaged but I was able to repair the extrusions.  I needed the little tee nuts that hold the positioning angle onto the bottom of the tracks.  I made two angle attachments (used 1' x 2" aluminum angle, cut the 1" side down to the MFS height and long enough to extend out for clamping, one about 24", one about 36") to make clamping the jigs easier but needed the tee nuts to hold them to the sides.  I had bought two packs of the long tee nut extrusions and set screws that Festool sold for clamping two extrusions end to end.  So, everything Festool metric right?  Guess what?  The set screw were imperial!!  Didn't really matter as the size was two large to fit the angles but really?  Imperial!!!  I bought a 4mm tap and bought metric cap heads to make four.

Offline Leadfoot

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #51 on: September 05, 2017, 03:14 AM »
First post

Seems like a good spot to start.

Just priced out a MFS substitute from 8020 inc. 1x3 rails in pairs of 9, 18 and 30 inch.
With milled out spots for the connector in each piece.

$115.85 plus $25 and change shipping.

When the time comes I think this would be a good substitute.

Hey the pictures worked! But not in preview.

 



Offline neilc

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #52 on: September 09, 2017, 04:08 PM »
I tried to use 80/20 but seem to recall that most router bearings will drop into those wider grooves so watch that when you are working.

With a router collar those should work well if that's how you will use them.

Offline Bob D.

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #53 on: September 09, 2017, 07:43 PM »
I tried to use 80/20 but seem to recall that most router bearings will drop into those wider grooves so watch that when you are working.

With a router collar those should work well if that's how you will use them.

I was gonna say that open edge will be a problem in some instances for router bearings. But if you covered that edge with something then the problem goes away. You could get some aluminum flat bar 1/8" or 1/16" thick and the same width and fasten it with some type of adhesive or epoxy. If you used flat head screws you'd have to be sure they were dead flush so the bearing wouldn't get caught on the depressed screw head and bugger up your work.

80/20 sells a cover but it only fills the center slot, so may or may not work.

« Last Edit: September 09, 2017, 07:53 PM by Bob D. »
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