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Offline HarveyWildes

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MFS Substitutes
« on: January 20, 2017, 11:59 AM »
Has anyone discovered a good way to cobble together a good MFS substitute, now that Festool has discontinued the MFS jigs?

I just had a use for MFS today, and ended up gluing up jig that would do the job, but it's not going to last, and it's only as accurate as it needs to be.

Looks like Trend has a system out there that looks a lot like MFS for about $100 pounds, but with narrower, less supportive extrusions - the router requires an "anti-tilt shoe".  Has anyone used that?  If so, what did you think of it?

Veritas has a new extrusion (quad track??) that looks like it could have promise for putting something together because it has a wide dimension that could be used to support the router (although not as wide and supportive as MFS) and a narrow side with track that could be used for connections.  After looking at that track, I thought you might be able to put it together with the right connectors from 80/20 line and get something that would connect pieces without getting in the way of the router.

Any other solutions out there that people have had success with?  One of the obvious requirements is the ability to keep precise 90 degree angles on the connectors.  What are the other requirements of a good MFS replacement?

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Re: MFS Substitutes
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Offline ear3

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2017, 06:06 PM »
Never used the Trend, but have heard complaints about the narrowness.

Another feature that is a must is clampability -- if you rig something out of 80/20, though, you might be able to cover that.

Has anyone discovered a good way to cobble together a good MFS substitute, now that Festool has discontinued the MFS jigs?

I just had a use for MFS today, and ended up gluing up jig that would do the job, but it's not going to last, and it's only as accurate as it needs to be.

Looks like Trend has a system out there that looks a lot like MFS for about $100 pounds, but with narrower, less supportive extrusions - the router requires an "anti-tilt shoe".  Has anyone used that?  If so, what did you think of it?

Veritas has a new extrusion (quad track??) that looks like it could have promise for putting something together because it has a wide dimension that could be used to support the router (although not as wide and supportive as MFS) and a narrow side with track that could be used for connections.  After looking at that track, I thought you might be able to put it together with the right connectors from 80/20 line and get something that would connect pieces without getting in the way of the router.

Any other solutions out there that people have had success with?  One of the obvious requirements is the ability to keep precise 90 degree angles on the connectors.  What are the other requirements of a good MFS replacement?
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Offline morgan

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2017, 08:51 PM »
This always seemed to be the more economical alternative to me.  Of course it doesn't have the same graduations,  but some setup blocks or a story stick would suffice.

http://virutex.com/templateforstairs-pfp.aspx

Offline rst

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2017, 09:11 PM »
I bought the two Virutex vacuum clamps before the Festools were made available and found them to be great value.  I've since bought
the Festool vac sys' as they are more versatile.  I'd be interested to see if the extrusions were identical to the MFS as they seem incredibly similar.  I see no reason that they could not work the same.  It would not be hard to make the sliding insert for the copy guides.  I plan to make a larger version to accept one of the bigger ODs so I could use larger diameter bits. for my MFS.

Offline Bohdan

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2017, 09:19 PM »
That is what it was before Festool added the scales, the trammelling accessory, rebadged it and jacked the price.

However I do think that the scales are a significant improvement and worth the price hike.

Offline tjskinny

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2017, 09:30 PM »
I haven't found these for sale anywhere yet...  but look familiar?

http://www.virutex.es/productes/?accio=producte&id=145&lg=en



Offline Cheese

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2017, 11:02 PM »
My first knee-jerk reaction is that they were the original suppliers for Festool. That could be a valuable alternative source, as Festool has discontinued MFS sales in NA.

Offline ELB

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2017, 12:09 AM »
Woodpeckers supertrack?

Offline Holmz

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2017, 12:09 AM »
My first knee-jerk reaction is that they were the original suppliers for Festool. That could be a valuable alternative source, as Festool has discontinued MFS sales in NA.

They very likely could have been the supplier.

Offline ScotF

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2017, 12:28 AM »
My first knee-jerk reaction is that they were the original suppliers for Festool. That could be a valuable alternative source, as Festool has discontinued MFS sales in NA.

It seems these are being discontinued elsewhere too - I think that the UK are not available now.

Offline Cheese

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2017, 12:39 AM »
It seems these are being discontinued elsewhere too - I think that the UK are not available now.

Well that's interesting...a post several months ago from Festool, stated that they were not discontinuing this item in Europe.  [eek]

Offline Peter_C

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2017, 01:35 AM »
I have a Trend jig setup I just bought, but haven't had a chance to use it yet. I was surprised by the fact the rails are so narrow on the top. The measurement strip is also loose and slides around.

Woodpeckers supertrack?
That was my first thought too. I wonder if a few emails and/or phone calls to Woodpecker wouldn't have them engraving their SuperTrack with measurements. I know it is possible because I have their PGS guides that are laser engraved.
http://www.woodpeck.com/supertrack.html



I don't understand why the MFS was discontinued as there should be enough profit, but obviously not.

Online Alex

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2017, 02:18 AM »
It seems these are being discontinued elsewhere too - I think that the UK are not available now.

Well that's interesting...a post several months ago from Festool, stated that they were not discontinuing this item in Europe.  [eek]

All Festool websites in Europe still show it as part of the catalogue.

Offline PatR

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2017, 03:15 AM »
I bought the MFS 700 from FFX just before Christmas and will order a 400 once they come back in stock. The MFS system is listed in the 2017 Festool catalogue but it is difficult to find dealers who have them on the shelf. They are either unavailable or to order only. There are a few dealers with the odd rail or tray but supply is patchy.

I suspect that it is a combination of low demand/high price that makes it an order only item. The MFS looks very much like a re-badged Spanish Vitrulex PF template so I will get in touch with the UK distributor to check their compatibility, availability and price.

Cracking system, had the Trend and sold it as it was not accurate and too narrow but the MFS is outrageously expensive or should that be reassuringly expensive. A Stella question!

Offline Corwin

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2017, 03:55 AM »
My first knee-jerk reaction is that they were the original suppliers for Festool. That could be a valuable alternative source, as Festool has discontinued MFS sales in NA.

They very likely could have been the supplier.

Virutex's website links their 2015 catalog which contains the PF400 & PF700 router templates and indicates that they were [then] NEW items. So, while these do look almost identical to the Festool MFS pieces, the timing doesn't coincide with them been the original supplier to Festool.

If they are still in business, and still offer this product, looks like a candidate for a group purchase...  [blink]
Looks like your rabbit joint is a hare off! ;)

Offline GarryMartin

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2017, 05:49 AM »
My first knee-jerk reaction is that they were the original suppliers for Festool. That could be a valuable alternative source, as Festool has discontinued MFS sales in NA.

They very likely could have been the supplier.

GEAT were the originators of the design. They signed a deal with Festool in 2004 at the same time ceasing sale under their own name.

"Since April 1, 2004, Festool has taken over the sales of our GEAT SDG 3 milling template.  This is offered with a modified profile of the rails under the designation MFS."

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/mfs-notes-on-the-mfs/

Offline Bohdan

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2017, 06:53 AM »
Could be that the Geat deal has expired and Virutex has picked it up.

Offline gunnyr

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2017, 08:19 AM »
Virutex seems to offer a version of the MFS template in the US as a stair template for $399:

Virutex Stair Template

I'm curious if they sell the individual profiles.  I have messaged them to ask.
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Offline greg mann

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2017, 10:13 AM »
Great were the originators, for sure, but their extrusions were different. In the first year of Festool's introduction their catalogue actually illustrated Geat profiles in lieu of the revised Festool design. I am speculating here but it may be that the Festool extrusions were made by Festo. Extrusions are used extensively in their pneumatic product line so it would seem to make sense for them to be a source. Just guessing again but it seems possible to me that a decision was made by Festool to phase out of the product, at least in NA because of low sales. It also may be that Festo is now selling the extrusions to Virutex with Festool's blessing. If Festool decided the product did not warrant continued marketing but negotiated a new home for it then that is a good thing. Even if I am wrong about Festo being the extrusion supplier someone is making them and they would be happy to have a customer, Virutex, to buy them. It can also be argued that the product fits more neatly within their product line; witness their offering it configured in a tread and riser template configuration.

Of course I could be totally wrong on all counts. [2cents]
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Offline Cheese

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2017, 12:16 PM »

Offline HarveyWildes

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2017, 05:04 PM »
Virutex is a Spanish company located in Barcelona.  Coincidentally, I'll be touring Spain this summer, with stops in Barcelona, Madrid, and Seville.  Anyone familiar enough with Spain to recommend where I might find a retailer that sells Virutex stuff?

Offline TheSergeant

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2017, 11:59 PM »
Of all the MFS clones I've seen Justin's is pretty much the simplest to make.  I'm sure it works phenomenally as well. 

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/homemade-mfs-600-router-template/

Offline JavierMoreno

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2017, 12:40 AM »
In Madrid, you could visit Comercial Pazos.

http://www.comercialpazos.com/virutex-pf400-conjunto-prolongacion-plantillas-fresado.html

Address:C/ Embajadores, 129, 28045, Madrid 
Email:comercialpazos@comercialpazos.com 
Phone:+34 915 279 761


Virutex is a Spanish company located in Barcelona.  Coincidentally, I'll be touring Spain this summer, with stops in Barcelona, Madrid, and Seville.  Anyone familiar enough with Spain to recommend where I might find a retailer that sells Virutex stuff?
Apologizes for my very bad English

Offline HarveyWildes

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2017, 12:54 AM »
In Madrid, you could visit Comercial Pazos.

http://www.comercialpazos.com/virutex-pf400-conjunto-prolongacion-plantillas-fresado.html

Address:C/ Embajadores, 129, 28045, Madrid 
Email:comercialpazos@comercialpazos.com 
Phone:+34 915 279 761

Thanks!  We'll see if tour and my wife will let me get close enough to the woodworking store to pick up a set.

Offline HarveyWildes

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2017, 12:57 AM »
Of all the MFS clones I've seen Justin's is pretty much the simplest to make.  I'm sure it works phenomenally as well. 

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/homemade-mfs-600-router-template/

That's the kind of creativity I was wondering about.  If I can't pick up a Virutex set this summer, or if I need something sooner, this looks like a possibility.

Offline Holmz

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #27 on: January 23, 2017, 04:44 AM »
In Madrid, you could visit Comercial Pazos.

http://www.comercialpazos.com/virutex-pf400-conjunto-prolongacion-plantillas-fresado.html

Address:C/ Embajadores, 129, 28045, Madrid 
Email:comercialpazos@comercialpazos.com 
Phone:+34 915 279 761

Thanks!  We'll see if tour and my wife will let me get close enough to the woodworking store to pick up a set.

Thanks @JavierMoreno

@HarveyWildes Or contact Virtulux and see how many are required for a direct buy?
Or maybe enquire with ToolNut to see if they would organise it?

Offline ddb

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2017, 06:51 AM »
My first knee-jerk reaction is that they were the original suppliers for Festool. That could be a valuable alternative source, as Festool has discontinued MFS sales in NA.

It seems these are being discontinued elsewhere too - I think that the UK are not available now.

Do you have any further info on this? I ordered an MFS400 and expansion rods with my dealer late November, and have not yet received them. The dealer says they're in backorder, because Festool still has to produce them (for some reason).
Just spoke to him last week, and he surely didn't mention that the MFS would be discontinued. (This is for Europe, Belgium though)

Cheers.

Offline Milvus

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2017, 10:37 AM »
In Madrid, you could visit Comercial Pazos.

http://www.comercialpazos.com/virutex-pf400-conjunto-prolongacion-plantillas-fresado.html

Address:C/ Embajadores, 129, 28045, Madrid 
Email:comercialpazos@comercialpazos.com 
Phone:+34 915 279 761

Thanks!  We'll see if tour and my wife will let me get close enough to the woodworking store to pick up a set.

Thanks @JavierMoreno

@HarveyWildes Or contact Virtulux and see how many are required for a direct buy?
Or maybe enquire with ToolNut to see if they would organise it?

Hi HarveyWildes. I live in Madrid and I love Comercial Pazos, but be aware that it is a quite specialiced but small shop. They sell the template for sure, as they are Virutex dealers, but if you are thinking of buying it there, be sure to call them some days before, as they probably don't stock it. Just in case you don't speak spanish, PM me before your hollidays and I will contact them on your behalf.

By the way, it is not in a quite tourist place, but it is not far away from the center of Madrid.

Regards.

Offline ben_r_

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2017, 01:39 PM »
I wish I would have bought an MFS before the discontinued them.

Anyone made any progress getting Virtulux so sell us the parts?
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Offline PatR

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2017, 01:56 PM »
Hello Ben

I spoke to Ney UK on Friday, they are the Virutex distributors in the UK. They can get the PF400 from Spain in approximately 10 days at a cost of £224 plus £15 carriage. This compares to an average price of £161 delivered for the Festool MFS400 when it comes back into stock.

From the photo's in the Virutex catalogue it looks to be exactly the same. I do not know what carriage would be to CONUS.


Offline ben_r_

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2017, 02:17 PM »
Hello Ben

I spoke to Ney UK on Friday, they are the Virutex distributors in the UK. They can get the PF400 from Spain in approximately 10 days at a cost of £224 plus £15 carriage. This compares to an average price of £161 delivered for the Festool MFS400 when it comes back into stock.

From the photo's in the Virutex catalogue it looks to be exactly the same. I do not know what carriage would be to CONUS.


Interesting.

FWIW I just found these two sellers on eBay from Germany listing the MFS 400 and MFS 700 kits:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Festool-Frasschablone-MFS-400-492610-/171419553994?hash=item27e966d0ca:g:7TEAAOSw-0xYP-zC

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Festool-Frasschablone-MFS-700-492611-/181216065752?hash=item2a3151b8d8:g:1cMAAOSwcUBYP-s-

Waiting to hear back on how much they want for shipping to the US.
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Offline Corwin

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2017, 04:33 PM »
I wish I would have bought an MFS before the discontinued them.

Anyone made any progress getting Virtulux so sell us the parts?

I asked their US office about the router templates. Didn't get any response about the PF400 or PF700 templates, but they do offer the stair template. http://virutex.com/templateforstairs-pfp.aspx
Looks like your rabbit joint is a hare off! ;)

Offline tjskinny

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #34 on: February 01, 2017, 04:20 PM »
I decided to give the Virutex Stair Template a try, I ordered them from Virutex US website; which no longer lists them for some reason.

They are essentially the same as MFS 200, 400, and 700 profiles. 



Same 16mm thickness and 80mm width.

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The interal webs of the extrusions are slightly different.
 
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The end track alignment features are different,  the Virutex mills a tenion in the end and Festool uses installed round plugs. 

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The Festool MFS extrusions will attach to the Virutex PFP extrusions.

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And visa versa.

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But they do look like a perfect alternative if you decided to purchase rather than make your own.   
« Last Edit: February 01, 2017, 04:31 PM by tjskinny »

Offline Corwin

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #35 on: February 01, 2017, 09:32 PM »
I decided to give the Virutex Stair Template a try, I ordered them from Virutex US website; which no longer lists them for some reason.

That's odd. They were on their website the other day. Guess you must be lucky.  [big grin]
Looks like your rabbit joint is a hare off! ;)

Offline ben_r_

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2017, 09:33 PM »
Yep, their gone from the USA site now:

http://virutex.com/stairstemplate.aspx
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Offline ScotF

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #37 on: February 01, 2017, 10:14 PM »
You must have ordered the last one!  [laughing]

Offline tjskinny

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #38 on: February 02, 2017, 02:53 AM »
I guess I did get lucky.

You know what they say -  "Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes". 

I wasn't too sure if the order had worked,as I had placed it, received a confirmation from PayPal but not from Virutex.  My account order stayed as "processing" for a about 4 days.  So i called them, they said they had some glitches in there ordering system and didn't get a notification of my order, but they would ship it out right away.

And even up till just the other night, the Template was still showing on the website. 

 Maybe a run on them?

Offline ben_r_

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #39 on: February 02, 2017, 11:34 AM »
I guess I did get lucky.

You know what they say -  "Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes". 
And even a broken clock gets to be right twice a day.
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Offline Corwin

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #40 on: February 02, 2017, 05:21 PM »
I guess I did get lucky.

Virutex sent me a reply today stating that "the price for the PF400 will be 181.66 and delivery for about 5 weeks." I had also asked about the PF700, but they must have missed that...
Looks like your rabbit joint is a hare off! ;)

Offline ben_r_

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« Reply #41 on: February 02, 2017, 07:17 PM »
I guess I did get lucky.

Virutex sent me a reply today stating that "the price for the PF400 will be 181.66 and delivery for about 5 weeks." I had also asked about the PF700, but they must have missed that...
$181.66 USD? And was that including shipping or not?
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Offline Corwin

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #42 on: February 02, 2017, 09:52 PM »
$181.66 USD? And was that including shipping or not?

Yes, $181.66 USD. But, they did not mention the cost of shipping.
Looks like your rabbit joint is a hare off! ;)

Offline tjskinny

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #43 on: February 03, 2017, 01:37 PM »
The shipping cost to Washington state for the stair template was $22.00. 

Offline ben_r_

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #44 on: February 03, 2017, 05:15 PM »
Wow, so if its around $200 USD shipped thatd be a pretty good price.
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Offline GarryMartin

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #45 on: February 06, 2017, 10:12 AM »
One of the Festool GB team mentioned on Instagram that he believes the MFS profiles are "coming back". I don't know whether it will apply to the US as well if they do, but definitely good news if it's true. I'm trying to find out more.

Offline promark747

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #46 on: February 06, 2017, 11:54 AM »
That would be great news, as I'd like to pick up a couple additional profiles (assuming they are in metric...).

I used my MFS this past weekend to clean up the inside of my router plate opening.  I had routed the lip and then used a jigsaw to cut the hole, but I wasn't happy with the ragged cut.  I whipped out the MFS and with a couple quick calculations had it sized properly to take off a final couple of millimeters with a straight bit.  Worked great.

An improvement I'd like to see is having the gradations etched into the aluminum rather than just printed on, but considering how astronomical the price already was, I can't imagine them doing that.

Offline ben_r_

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #47 on: February 06, 2017, 12:40 PM »
Cool. Maybe theyll bring them to the US in Imperial now since they seem to be switching all their other tools to Imperial here.
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Offline Cheese

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #48 on: February 08, 2017, 10:20 AM »
An improvement I'd like to see is having the gradations etched into the aluminum rather than just printed on, but considering how astronomical the price already was, I can't imagine them doing that.

I believe the numbers/graduations are already laser etched into the MFS. However it would be a fairly simple manufacturing process change to substitute laser engraving for the laser etching.

That could also be the reason the MFS 2000 was never marked...it was too long to fit into the laser engraver.

Offline hayaku

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #49 on: February 25, 2017, 12:53 PM »
there's 2 substitutes that you can buy:

1: is trend's varijig system adjustable frame or their smaller letterbox jig.
https://www.amazon.com/Trend-VARIJIG-Frame-System/dp/B001UQ5PDK

and 2: fukuda's router tool used mainly by car audio fabricators.  they have A LOT of router jigs that are really cool.
http://www.mobilesolutions-usa.com/store/p216/Fukuda_12%22x12%22_Router_Tool.html
http://i1342.photobucket.com/albums/o768/caraudiofabrication/DSC_2077_zps9hrvmmu6.jpg

i'm going to be picking up the fukuda jig i think since i can't get the mfs or the virutex versions.
« Last Edit: September 06, 2017, 11:49 AM by hayaku »

Offline rst

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #50 on: April 12, 2017, 02:12 PM »
This is not exactly in line with this topic but deals with the MFS system.  I bought my first two sets from Amazon Warehouse.  Both sets were damaged but I was able to repair the extrusions.  I needed the little tee nuts that hold the positioning angle onto the bottom of the tracks.  I made two angle attachments (used 1' x 2" aluminum angle, cut the 1" side down to the MFS height and long enough to extend out for clamping, one about 24", one about 36") to make clamping the jigs easier but needed the tee nuts to hold them to the sides.  I had bought two packs of the long tee nut extrusions and set screws that Festool sold for clamping two extrusions end to end.  So, everything Festool metric right?  Guess what?  The set screw were imperial!!  Didn't really matter as the size was two large to fit the angles but really?  Imperial!!!  I bought a 4mm tap and bought metric cap heads to make four.

Offline Leadfoot

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #51 on: September 05, 2017, 03:14 AM »
First post

Seems like a good spot to start.

Just priced out a MFS substitute from 8020 inc. 1x3 rails in pairs of 9, 18 and 30 inch.
With milled out spots for the connector in each piece.

$115.85 plus $25 and change shipping.

When the time comes I think this would be a good substitute.

Hey the pictures worked! But not in preview.

 



Offline neilc

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #52 on: September 09, 2017, 04:08 PM »
I tried to use 80/20 but seem to recall that most router bearings will drop into those wider grooves so watch that when you are working.

With a router collar those should work well if that's how you will use them.

Offline Bob D.

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Re: MFS Substitutes
« Reply #53 on: September 09, 2017, 07:43 PM »
I tried to use 80/20 but seem to recall that most router bearings will drop into those wider grooves so watch that when you are working.

With a router collar those should work well if that's how you will use them.

I was gonna say that open edge will be a problem in some instances for router bearings. But if you covered that edge with something then the problem goes away. You could get some aluminum flat bar 1/8" or 1/16" thick and the same width and fasten it with some type of adhesive or epoxy. If you used flat head screws you'd have to be sure they were dead flush so the bearing wouldn't get caught on the depressed screw head and bugger up your work.

80/20 sells a cover but it only fills the center slot, so may or may not work.

« Last Edit: September 09, 2017, 07:53 PM by Bob D. »
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