Author Topic: MFT Upgrade! Incra LS Positioner Incremental System vs. Table Saw Fence on MFT/3  (Read 142076 times)

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Offline bkharman

  • Posts: 1983
What about something like this? seem pretty accurate.





I like that a lot!  I am extending over on my MFT, so that would/could mean attaching something else bit I like that use a lot.

Slick.
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Offline plouf

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Hi,

What about something like this? seem pretty accurate.

Yes, accurate and sturdy. Here is the complete article from which the picture is excerpted.  

Looking at the sliding table of the Precisio CS70, it gets me wonder if one the more advanced Incra miter gauge could be use with the CMS sliding table and the LS System.

Til now, I was reluctant to add this sliding (and costly) accessory to my setup but I could think  again if only the CMS had a slot to accomodate a miter...

- plouf -
« Last Edit: February 11, 2014, 05:24 PM by plouf »

Offline TD5

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I am reading and traslate this very exciting 3d due to the fact that I ld like to add an Incra positioned on my Mft3.
Being  difficult to explain in words, I made a drawn of what I've in mind - but  without the positioner in the hands ( and no exact dimensions)  I  ask you  what do you think about this
idea.
Number  1  and 2  -  in red - two pieces  hard wood  (or nr,1 aluminum and nr 2 hard wood) to reach following hole on MFT3.
In this way  the system is  fixed only with 4 Qwas  under the table and not mixt Qwas and Festool clamps.
You can move the positioned and fence from one zone to another on the Mft3 ( and also you can reach router if attached with extension table 495510 and cmd router top).

So the question is : do you think it's possible to fix Incra with this Qwas system ? it's enough? perhaps with  home built qwas fixed under the table with screws.



Miko
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Offline Dave Lame

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Your idea might work.

Dimensions of positioner base. 9" long, 6 1/4" wide.  Holes, are 6" apart center to center in length and 5 1/2" in width. 3/8" from center of hole to edge of positioner in width, 1 1/2" in length.  Holes will accept 1/4" bolt.


Offline TD5

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thanks a lot for all dimensions !
for sure it's possible to create only one piece  with  router instead of 2 parts.
Another idea  is  to use two Ttracks, so two slots  in the mft3 top, and in these  move the positioner base , from cutting table to router table, isn't it?
Miko
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Offline Dave Lame

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In another post, SEANKS pointed out that cutting the dado for t tracks would significantly weaken the mft top.  Two tracks would be a big hit to strength of top. Possibly could reinforce from below.

Offline bkharman

  • Posts: 1983
I am working on another solution which I will post details on once it is complete and tested.

stay tuned... [popcorn]
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Offline Cellule

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Here some pics of my setup. The dogs fit snugly and have absolutly no movement at all. I secured them with the knob that come with my veritas mft accessories kit. I just need to make an extension with the mft hole pattern and voila I have a Ls for cutting and routing with my cms  :)

Offline TD5

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Bravo  Cellule! 
I was'nt informed  that also if you put a piece of wood UNDER  the base, then you can set up the fence in contact with the  table.
I thought  that also the fence stay up same "thickness"  as the base.
Perfect  thanks  a lot !
Miko
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Kapex 120 -CMS TS55R - OF1010 - Csx - CTM 22 - TS55 - Rotex 90 -Domino 500 - MFT 3 - Carvex 420 EBQ+set +ETS150/3 +Vecturo 400 set+Oneida cyclone + many green accessories....

Offline b_m_hart

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I have been tinkering with this off and on for the last three or four years.  I have the 25 inch positioner on order, and am working to fit this onto my CMS.  I'll post pictures of that in another three or four years, hah.  Anyway, here's my "lovely" setup.  You can see the square in the picture - that's the easy part - nice and square like it is supposed to be.  The only "off" part is that I secure the end of it on the "wrong" side.  This was to make it so I had more than 24" of cutting capacity on the table.  I can squeeze just under 27" if a little bit hangs over the side of the mdf before the rail adapter on the side (25 1/2" on the table).



The positioner is secured with two qwas dogs underneath, and then clamped down.  I use two of the small dogs to reference to the fence when it is locked, then I clamp the base down on the side opposite the qwas dogs.  It is as rigid as you could hope for.  I'm not the strongest guy, but the table picked up and moved before the fence flexed that I could notice.  



Here's a close-up of the easy part of the job...



And now the good stuff - perfectly square to the LS.



Measurement randomly locked into place - 1'2 1/8" at the rail...



1'2 1/2" on the opposite side of the table.  That laser has a 1/16" tolerance, so the variance would seem to be less than that - which is relatively solid in my opinion.  That's just under 1.6mm - which isn't perfect, but again, this isn't a felder slider...



The current setup can handle 25" wide by 22" long with the current LS in place (soon to be 30" with the new model).  The flag stops are good for my scatter-brain self.  Just push them up against the locked in fence and they're good to go.

Offline Michael Garrett

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How much room would you get if you set the MFT fence on edge?
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Offline Dragginbutt

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This is one subject that I have been contemplating myself.  A couple shortcomings of the MFT from my perspective is when using it for a cut off table, typically I am cutting sheet goods which are 4' x 8'.  It is way too small of a surface to be useful.  Even if I add additional (And expensive) MFT's I can't get it wide enough.  I need to slide a sheet in, establish an endge that is perpendicular to the track, then measure and cut.  I can get around that by building a table large enough, throw on the sheet goods and cut.  The problem and this is a design issue with the MFT, is when I go to cut an angle.  The angle unit sets the material angle, not the track on the material.  And what I need is to be able to keep my sheet goods in place once I establish the edge is perpendicular, and move the track to establish the angle and cut.  This is where the Festool MFT angle device fails.

I do not see the INCRA device using either the rails or the Router mount as a solution to this issue.  I have thought about using the rail systems mounted on teh outside of my 4x8 table as a means to resolve this issue, but once again, the rails and teh INCRA fence system are not wide enough as well.  So it is back to square one. 

My solution is to purchase the hinge parts and another track and purchase several of the long extrusions found on the MFT sides to give me some movement while maintaining that perpendicular to the edge that I established previously and using the stops they sell for repeatability.

Offline Cellule

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Here is my current setup with my router

I dont use anymore the dual hose that came with the CMS and find that the incra dust extraction port is mutch better than the original festool one.
The only thing that I'm missing is the TS55 CMS insert.. but again it's NAINA  and the only place that I can find to get it is on EBAY and the store is in UK so the pound currency kill me at 1.82 dollard/ pound+ 100£ Shipping. I want it badly but not a 900$ canadian dollards




Offline bkharman

  • Posts: 1983
Cellule,

You and I have a very similar setup!  I have some posts here that show it, but I also have something very cool coming up soon that I think you might enjoy.

I also want the TS module but am in the same boat. Not worth the cost at this point. I was thinking of doing something on the opposite side of the table but will have to think more about it.
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Offline Cellule

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Haha I can't whait  to see your surprise  :) me two I was thinking to another solution on the other side of the table but the CMS insert too appealing not to consider it. So i'm waiting till my next trip to europe in a year or two..

Offline CarolinaNomad

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At least someone is fulfilling my dream.  Love the setup.
Jeff
resides in NAINA

Offline bkharman

  • Posts: 1983
Haha I can't whait  to see your surprise  :) me two I was thinking to another solution on the other side of the table but the CMS insert too appealing not to consider it. So i'm waiting till my next trip to europe in a year or two..

I am not sure if you have seen my other thread, but I have the interface plate from Precision Dogs and it is awesome.  You can find the thread HERE
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Offline dovetails

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Hi everyone, I have just taken proud ownership of my first festools - CMS-GE and OF1400 and TS75! I am really interested in this post and appreciate most of the posts have been about the VL but having tried to investigate similar solutions for the GE, I have not seen much. However, I was thinking of adapting a plate to connect the Kapex expansion KA-UG V to the Incra LS and then add this to the GE. I would appreciate any thoughts on this and if anyone has found any workable solutions.

Offline supimeister

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Here is my current setup with my router

I dont use anymore the dual hose that came with the CMS and find that the incra dust extraction port is mutch better than the original festool one.
The only thing that I'm missing is the TS55 CMS insert.. but again it's NAINA  and the only place that I can find to get it is on EBAY and the store is in UK so the pound currency kill me at 1.82 dollard/ pound+ 100£ Shipping. I want it badly but not a 900$ canadian dollars

I am thinking about doing the same thing but with my TS55R... I think the TS55R insert part # is 570281 and I can find it on various UK dealers for like $480 USD but then add shipping... Though I don’t think I have found one who will ship to the US.

Offline Reiska

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  • Hackers build things, Crackers break them.
So I finally got my Incra LS25 metric supersystem assembled yesterday



and did my first project on it today


Built the remaining two drawers to this lot.

It was unbelievably nice to work with and being able to cut stuff taking into account the TS55's 2.2mm kerf with the fine adjuster to get stuff cut down to 0.1mm tolerances just blows my mind. And be able to do this repeatably to infinity!

Definitely the best 500€ I've spent in a while and I haven't even had a chance to try what this will do to my routing...
The sky's the limit in my workshop, literally. [big grin]

Offline bkharman

  • Posts: 1983
So I finally got my Incra LS25 metric supersystem assembled yesterday

Built the remaining two drawers to this lot.

It was unbelievably nice to work with and being able to cut stuff taking into account the TS55's 2.2mm kerf with the fine adjuster to get stuff cut down to 0.1mm tolerances just blows my mind. And be able to do this repeatably to infinity!

Definitely the best 500€ I've spent in a while and I haven't even had a chance to try what this will do to my routing...

Hey Reiska!

SO glad you finally joined the club.  I have said it before that this combo is incredibly awesome.  I am jealous that you are able to use the TS insert.  I have gone back and forth on "importing it" as it would make my workflow that much better.

Looks great and am ecstatic that your first results were spot on.

Cheers.  Bryan.
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Offline Cellule

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I'm so jalous of your setup!

Online Samo

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Add a small power feeder for those jobs that require hands free consistent runs.  [cool]

Offline mattbyington

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Hey team! Based on this thread a couple months ago I ordered my LS positioner.

Got it all setup yesterday. It works great. One thing that bothers me is having the magnetic metal tape measure upside down so that the numbers go up when moving the unit left (away from the guide rail).

Anyone know of a magnetic ruler incra or anyone else makes that’ll fit into the slot on the LS positioner so I can get it right side up?

Matt

Offline infer

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I have been thinking of adding an Incra LS to my CMS GE for some time now. I found an interesting post about someone who has already done it but not sure if it’s a 17 or a 25!?  Can someone with more experience shed some light?

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://m.xuite.net/blog/yyf3576891/twblog/181976280&xid=25657,15700022,15700124,15700126,15700149,15700186,15700191,15700201,15700214,15700227,15700230&usg=ALkJrhiFYDfZ9ML6u26SdfDUEvoE0N5JUg

Offline DynaGlide

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Hey team! Based on this thread a couple months ago I ordered my LS positioner.

Got it all setup yesterday. It works great. One thing that bothers me is having the magnetic metal tape measure upside down so that the numbers go up when moving the unit left (away from the guide rail).

Anyone know of a magnetic ruler incra or anyone else makes that’ll fit into the slot on the LS positioner so I can get it right side up?

Matt

What were your reasons for adapting the Incra to your MFT setup? Pics?

Offline mattbyington

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@DynaGlide all the reasons in this thread :).

The main one is to cut narrow stock.

Matt