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Offline Timtool

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MFTC portable workshop
« on: March 08, 2013, 10:23 AM »
Well it's finally here after 10 months of planning, testing, building, replanning rebuilding etc... the MFTC or multi function tool cart!

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By far my most exhaustive and complex project, the MFTC is a workshop on wheels, folds up and can be transported like a hand truck.
I started designing this right after i finished my MFTB tool box, because i needed something for bigger site jobs.
But you can read the whole story and see more pics here on my site.

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When i was designing this Festool had not yet brought out their sys roll, when it came out i got really scared because the MFTC seems like a logical follow up on what many brands are now doing in making tool boxes on wheels.
The MFTC works somewhat like an MFT table, it has the same length but is a bit narrower to go through doors easily. But it houses a sysport,a shelf and has many more clamping options on the legs. The bottom shelf is great for keeping tools out of the way and keeping the vac underneath out of the way. The shelf also makes the whole bench very stable.

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It can also hold 2 1400 rails!
and i made two extension tables so that the MFTC can be adapted to the size you need, by placing the two tables on one side you can cut down entire panels on it with ease!

On my site i am selling the plans for those interested, they are in metric, but i plan on adapting them for imperial sized sheet goods. If anybody wants to help with that i am open to suggestions!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5YzIwK-g0E&feature=youtu.be

« Last Edit: March 10, 2013, 07:05 AM by Timtool »
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Offline Bob Gerritsen

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2013, 10:54 AM »
Ohhh, this is nice Tim!! Would love to see this live. I'm very pleased with my present setup but I did notice I started thinking of a way to implement this in my system.

Big thumbs up, now go finish that video! ;)

Cheers, Bob.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2013, 10:57 AM »
Tim, can those drawers be locked? I'm thinking it would be brilliant if you could roll this, laying down that is, into the back of an estate car. You would need some sort of ramp to roll it in but that shouldn't be a problem.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2013, 11:14 AM »
Hi Bob, the drawers have push locks, so they wont open when you tilt it or put in in your trailer. On the front there are some reinforcements that allow you to pull the MFTC up into a van or trailer without damaging it. You can lay it in a car, i put mine a few times in my truck bed, but i removed the systainers so it was lighter to lift.

What i forgot to mention is that i designed this for site work, but i like to use it on my shop as well as a second workbench. And i imagine that people who have limited space or work in a garage can profit from this design as well, placed against a wall it is no deeper than 19,7 inches or 50cm and about 60cm wide or 23 inches wide and still functions as a sysport. Unfolding it takes less than 10 seconds and requires no tools.
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2013, 11:47 AM »
Looks good Tim, I'm going to check out your website now...

Note: I could not see the price for the plans on your website until I clicked on the pay now button, but E7.44 is a great price and I hope loads of people download your plans...I just did.
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2013, 12:17 PM »
waaay cooool

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« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2013, 12:29 PM »
Tim, you have out done yourself. I remember the prototype you showed me. This piece is equally beautiful and functional.

I bought Tim's MFTB plans and while I have been busy with other projects, the plans are amazingly detailed and easy to follow. I'm gonna talk to my friend with the CNC and maybe make both at the same time. I'm working solo now and need all the help I can get. Could you hoist this into a box van solo?

Nice work and nice saw in the background, Eric

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2013, 12:31 PM »
Great!   It's away too big for the space I have, but I can admire it and lust after it.
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2013, 12:55 PM »
Bravo Tim! 

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2013, 01:04 PM »
I'm working solo now and need all the help I can get. Could you hoist this into a box van solo?

I hoist it into my trailer, but for that i remove the systainers as they make up at least half the weight. I just roll it against the back, go into the trailer and pull it up with the handle.
My first prototype was at least twice as heavy and way to clumsy to move around. I will try to show it all when i make the video, i still have the prototype sitting here and i used it for a good 7 months but too many things were not right about it, and it took me at least half a year to find the right solutions.

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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2013, 01:08 PM »
That's called persistence, Tim, it paid off, Eric

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2013, 01:17 PM »
Awesome!  I like the drawer for the MFT stuff instead of a Systainer.... instant access.


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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2013, 01:48 PM »
Man, I don't need this but I'm already trying to come up with an excuse that will tell me otherwise.

Would love to see some detail on those push locks, not really sure how those work.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2013, 02:00 PM »
Would love to see some detail on those push locks, not really sure how those work.
They are simple cheap drawer push locks, this was one of the great challenges of keeping the drawers closed while moving it around. And it was only when i mentioned my problem to a hardware salesman that he pointed out to me they had these locks i never used before.
When you close the drawer the locks hook the drawer, and to open the drawer again you have to give it a little inward push and the lock springs open.
Similar to the mechanism of a ballpoint pen!
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« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2013, 02:06 PM »
Sorry, me again. This thing keeps getting better the longer you look at it. I love the possibilities of the two extensions, really simple but it covers everything you could wish for on site. I'm gonna look up my Paypal details and get these plans.

Only thing I don't like about this thread is the amount of pics. Would looooove to see some more details.  ;D

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« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2013, 02:54 PM »
Great job.  It looks like your persistence paid off.
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« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2013, 02:57 PM »
That will be great for working on site great design

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« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2013, 03:53 PM »
That is a really nice setup. Nicely done!
I'm not a portable kind of guy. But I can see the greatness of this setup if you're on the road.
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2013, 06:13 PM »
That is one great invention you have there! Tool storage and a work surface!

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« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2013, 06:34 PM »
This looks great Tim and I could do with one of these, I will get the plans and get started ASAP on it

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« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2013, 06:53 PM »
Outstanding!

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« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2013, 07:16 PM »
I just ordered the plans.

Really excellent job.  I can see you put a LOT of thought into it.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2013, 01:00 AM »
Tim, fantastic !  What dollar figure would you estimate this project? And is there anything you would add or modify?

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2013, 04:01 AM »
Tim, fantastic !  What dollar figure would you estimate this project? And is there anything you would add or modify?

Thank you,

It's hard to put a price tag on it, there isn't that much material in one, and in my case i made half of it with scraps. The only thing i had to buy was 2 sheets of ply, the T-tracks, wheels, slides and some hardware. There is a list of everything needed in the plans.

Things i would change? Well nothing that wouldn't add more problems than it could solve. The first prototype has 25m of electric cable on board, connected to a socket with 4 outlets on the MFTC, it was really practical but it added way too much weight. The cord of the CT vac is long enough in 80% of cases to reach an outlet.
I gave this allot of thought and spent dozens of hours on sketchup making all possible combinations, shapes and mechanisms to try and find the best i could. Countless times i started from zero on a new idea and be stuck in the end because there is an tremendous amount of interaction of all the parts.
I changed a few things after building the final model, like putting adjustable feet in the MFTC base as well, and not only on the table legs, which has greatly improved stability.

In the future i might add a miter saw table extension, where the table of the saw sits flat with the surface. The extension table design is highly customizable and simple, and the legs fold into the base taking minimal space when not in use.
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« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2013, 11:14 AM »
Looking really good! How much for the plans?

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« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2013, 11:56 AM »
Looking really good! How much for the plans?

Looks good Tim, I'm going to check out your website now...

Note: I could not see the price for the plans on your website until I clicked on the pay now button, but E7.44 is a great price and I hope loads of people download your plans...I just did.

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« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2013, 12:35 PM »
I bought plans as well

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« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2013, 12:47 PM »
I wish I had the time to build all these projects…

Maybe when I retire from my day job Ill have time.
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« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2013, 03:10 PM »
Don't know if I'll ever find time to build this but bought the plans to show my support for this sort of great community design just like I did with the MFTB and UWB plans. Maybe one day I'll actually build these.

Keep on innovating Tim!
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« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2013, 05:15 PM »
Great job Tim.  Will order the plans!

Just used my MFTB this weekend for the first time that I built from your plans.  I clamped it to the fender of a wood chipper (doing work for an Arborist friend) to cut small pieces of oak baseboard for the kitchen.  Found it easy to clamp small pieces to cut with my dovetail saw.

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« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2013, 07:16 PM »
Great job Tim.  Will order the plans!

Just used my MFTB this weekend for the first time that I built from your plans.  I clamped it to the fender of a wood chipper (doing work for an Arborist friend) to cut small pieces of oak baseboard for the kitchen.  Found it easy to clamp small pieces to cut with my dovetail saw.

come on we want pics.
iv got a few half built since the plans came out. i really need to finish them
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« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2013, 08:06 PM »
Very cool
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #32 on: March 10, 2013, 07:08 AM »
Added the video to the first post!

@Mohrab it would be great if you could send me some pics of your MFTB
on my site there are a few as well, and as i promised in the MFTB thread the first two who sent me pics of the MFTB got MFTC plans for free.
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« Reply #33 on: March 10, 2013, 07:40 AM »
great looking bench tim.
you can really see the thought put into it
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« Reply #34 on: March 10, 2013, 07:51 AM »
Looks pretty handy

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« Reply #35 on: March 10, 2013, 09:58 AM »
excellent work! you should work for festool the toolbox looks quite handy!
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« Reply #36 on: March 10, 2013, 10:00 AM »
great job! would be nice to see a video of the transformation.
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« Reply #37 on: March 10, 2013, 11:24 AM »
Great job, Tim.

I have a very small/very cluttered shop.  Something like this could solve many of the problems i am trying to solve.

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« Reply #38 on: March 10, 2013, 01:00 PM »
After watching the Video you can really see the function.....would be very handy for my business.....I'll take two!

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« Reply #39 on: March 10, 2013, 03:50 PM »
Wow! This would fit into my workflow perfectly since I pretty much do all work on site. Please update this thread when you have the sketch up file available in imperial units!
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« Reply #40 on: March 10, 2013, 03:58 PM »
Wow! This would fit into my workflow perfectly since I pretty much do all work on site. Please update this thread when you have the sketch up file available in imperial units!

About that, could anybody help me out a little?
I was thinking about adapting the model to imperial size sheet goods and see how that impacts the rest, but keep all the rest in metric. Otherwise if i want to avoid impossible dimensions i would need to redo the whole model to get rounder imperial measurements.

Would that be acceptable?

And are 1/2 and 3/4 the common plywood and mdf thicknesses?
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« Reply #41 on: March 10, 2013, 04:19 PM »
1/2" and 3/4" are the most common plywoods here.

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« Reply #42 on: March 10, 2013, 07:10 PM »
Saw the video on youtube, nice one Tim.


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« Reply #43 on: March 10, 2013, 07:22 PM »
damb you tim.
i had just talked my self out of this. now im not su sure
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« Reply #44 on: March 11, 2013, 09:44 AM »
What type/brand of T-track is compatible with Festool clamps?
I have only very small ones, clamps don't fit.

Vesa
I'd like to have RO 90, Kapex and maybe something else

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« Reply #46 on: March 11, 2013, 10:12 AM »
1/2" and 3/4" are the most common plywoods here.

Peter
Make that 31/64" and 23/32"

MDF is usually closer to nominal thickness ie. 3/4" is actually 19mm

Don't have any 1/2" MDF on hand.

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« Reply #47 on: March 11, 2013, 10:20 AM »
What type/brand of T-track is compatible with Festool clamps?
I have only very small ones, clamps don't fit.

Vesa

I checked two different tracs.
Incra does work
Kreg does not work
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« Reply #48 on: March 11, 2013, 01:04 PM »
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« Reply #49 on: March 11, 2013, 01:15 PM »
I was very impressed with this from the pictures - having just watched the video, even more so.

Even though I don't do much site work, I'm toying with the idea of building one anyway, just to give a bit more versatility to my small workshop!
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #50 on: March 11, 2013, 01:50 PM »
What type/brand of T-track is compatible with Festool clamps?
I have only very small ones, clamps don't fit.

Vesa


Here you go T Track Compatibility

If anyone has any additions to the list  please post them in that  thread for handy reference.


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« Reply #51 on: March 11, 2013, 06:41 PM »
What a great set up, huge bonus being able to have multiple extension tables for site work

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« Reply #52 on: March 11, 2013, 07:17 PM »
I'm trying to work out how to adapt a sys roll into one of these!
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« Reply #53 on: March 12, 2013, 09:40 AM »
I have been toying with the idea of making a narrower table with systainer shelves under the entire unit.  A portable/colapsible extension like Ron Paulks table set up.  I really like the idea of putting n open shelf under one end of the portable/colapsible table. Tim's ideas are even better fit in my shop. 
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #54 on: March 16, 2013, 09:28 AM »
Any one built one yet? I would love too see the pictures, defo on my too do list it's perfect for me
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #55 on: March 17, 2013, 01:59 AM »
Just watched video. It's perfect

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« Reply #56 on: March 17, 2013, 11:07 AM »
just bought. thanks Tim.
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« Reply #57 on: March 17, 2013, 11:36 AM »
Any one built one yet? I would love too see the pictures, defo on my too do list it's perfect for me

It's only been out for a week, but a few buyers already told me they were gonna start next week, some even told me they were gonna have the parts CNC'd with he sketchup file!
I'm still working on an imperial add-on, is it true 1/2 inch mdf is not commonly available?
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« Reply #58 on: March 17, 2013, 10:50 PM »
Any one built one yet? I would love too see the pictures, defo on my too do list it's perfect for me

It's only been out for a week, but a few buyers already told me they were gonna start next week, some even told me they were gonna have the parts CNC'd with he sketchup file!
I'm still working on an imperial add-on, is it true 1/2 inch mdf is not commonly available?

The big boxes and at least one independent near me do not carry stock 1/2". But I have no trouble getting it if I order through my primary independent lumber dealer.

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« Reply #59 on: March 17, 2013, 11:00 PM »
Tim,

I have been practicing building things with metric instead of imperial and am starting to like metric better.  However, I still think in terms of feet and inches and often have to look at my tape measure that shows both to know how they correlate.

Not sure it is necessary to put out plans in imperial?  Wonder how many FOG users would not buy the plans if they are only metric?

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #60 on: March 18, 2013, 12:37 AM »
Frickin brilliant Tim!

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« Reply #61 on: March 18, 2013, 07:02 AM »
Wow! This would fit into my workflow perfectly since I pretty much do all work on site. Please update this thread when you have the sketch up file available in imperial units!

You may well be aware of this so forgive me if I'm teaching you to suck eggs!

In Sketch Up select the menu item Window. Then select Model info. In the pop-up box select the units tab and you can adjust the measurements used to whatever you like. Fractional and Architectural will render imperial measurements and you can also adjust the precision.

It will still leave you with the problem of a drawing that effectively uses materials in metric sizes but you may be able to tweak it to use the closest imperial size available to you.

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« Reply #62 on: March 18, 2013, 07:37 AM »
Yup the problem is the sheet material, that is what i want to adapt my plans for. I want to keep everything in metric but adapt the parts made with imperial sheet goods.
The difference isn't big as it usually less than a mm, but still!
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« Reply #63 on: March 18, 2013, 07:53 AM »
Any one built one yet? I would love too see the pictures, defo on my too do list it's perfect for me

It's only been out for a week, but a few buyers already told me they were gonna start next week, some even told me they were gonna have the parts CNC'd with he sketchup file!
I'm still working on an imperial add-on, is it true 1/2 inch mdf is not commonly available?

The big boxes and at least one independent near me do not carry stock 1/2". But I have no trouble getting it if I order through my primary independent lumber dealer.

Seth

1/2" plywood is readily available in small quantities but 1/2" MDF is often only available as a special order, unless there is a distributor nearby.

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« Reply #64 on: March 18, 2013, 07:56 AM »
I am trying, little by little to use metric when building to match up with my MFT's.  I use a tape with both mm & imperial on it.
I cannot picture in my head in mm's so the double scale tape is still a necessity for me.
Whether a plan is in mm's or imperial has no significance to whether i buy or not.
for me it is whether the plan is adaptible to my shop or to a project I have in mind.
i am sure it is easier to adapt an idea to whatever the measurements on the plans are.
I am even more certain that it is a LOT of work to change the scale on a plan.
Especially after so much thought and work went into the original plans and construction.
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #65 on: March 18, 2013, 12:21 PM »
I can walk into my local Lowes and Home Depot and get 1/2" mdf. I know there are regional differences.
I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now.

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« Reply #66 on: March 19, 2013, 07:31 PM »
Just purchased the plans and can't wait to get started will post pics of the progress

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« Reply #67 on: March 21, 2013, 07:45 PM »
Just finished the plans and sketchup model adapted to imperial sheet goods! I also fixed a detail in the standard plans.
I will send the imperial version to all US residents who have already bought the plans. And the fixed version to the others
Someone is also working on a German translation!
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« Reply #68 on: March 21, 2013, 07:58 PM »
Sweet! Will get on purchasing these plans!
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #69 on: March 22, 2013, 01:50 AM »
These are really great plans Tim but I have a question. Is the 1/2" MDF heavy enough for the top?  Would it be too heavy if it had a 3/4" top. I plan to use this bench as my 3rd MFT in my shop or take it on-site when a bench is required.
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« Reply #70 on: March 22, 2013, 07:31 AM »
Tim, The plans are much appreciated and I look forward to receiving the imperial version.  You make reference to the template but I haven't been able to find the template as an attachment or part of the original PDF.  Thanks again, Doug

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« Reply #71 on: March 26, 2013, 05:25 PM »
Well done, I bought the plans, really helpful

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« Reply #72 on: March 26, 2013, 06:13 PM »
Tim, The plans are much appreciated and I look forward to receiving the imperial version.  You make reference to the template but I haven't been able to find the template as an attachment or part of the original PDF.  Thanks again, Doug

You are right! I overlooked that, the template i planned to make was just to draw the curved lines on the sides. I will add it and post a link here.

These are really great plans Tim but I have a question. Is the 1/2" MDF heavy enough for the top?  Would it be too heavy if it had a 3/4" top. I plan to use this bench as my 3rd MFT in my shop or take it on-site when a bench is required.
Gary

I used 1/2 purely because of weight reduction, i tried to grabble every gram i could left and right. I have no issues with this thickness and it works out fine, possibly for the benchdogs you may want to have more depth for accuracy. But i am not convinced it will make a grand difference.
But i looked under mine, and technically nothing stops you from making the rabbet deeper to hold 3/4th material. It won't interact with any other parts.
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« Reply #73 on: March 29, 2013, 05:24 PM »
Tim not sure if its been asked, do you know the total weight of the mft withouth the systainers and exstension tables ?
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« Reply #74 on: March 30, 2013, 03:44 AM »
I also bought plans (Combo) and by this chance may I mention the price. 18€ including VAT.
Tim put a lot of time, knowledge and effort into those plans and I would pay even more for them, because they are worth every $ or €.

Thanks again Tim for great plans.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #75 on: March 30, 2013, 04:52 PM »
Has anyone in the US had issues getting material/hardware for this? I want to make one bad but just want to make sure I could find all the hardware easily.

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« Reply #76 on: March 30, 2013, 05:31 PM »
Has anyone in the US had issues getting material/hardware for this? I want to make one bad but just want to make sure I could find all the hardware easily.

There is someone in the US about halfway through the build and sending me pics almost daily, when he is done i will post an article on my website detailing the hardware he used.
Does anyone know of a cheap T-track source besides the incra? Over here i can just get them at a local hardware store where they sell them cheaply as curtain rails.

I forgot to take weighing device to the workshop today to check the weight, but i will find out tomorrow!
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« Reply #77 on: March 30, 2013, 11:12 PM »
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Does anyone know of a cheap T-track source besides the incra?

I got 3 48" t-tracks from McMaster-Carr that fit the Festool screw clamps fine. They were $11.55 a piece. I also got my wheels from them at $15.20 a piece. They were 8" x 2" polypropylene core with rubber treads for a 3/4" axle.
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« Reply #78 on: March 30, 2013, 11:35 PM »
What about the axles?  I see they carry those also.
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« Reply #79 on: March 31, 2013, 12:04 AM »
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What about the axles?  I see they carry those also.

I haven't decided whether to use a rod or tube yet. Tubes would be less weight. I would use self-locking external retaining rings to hold wheels in place.
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« Reply #80 on: March 31, 2013, 11:15 PM »
The plans you prepared are brilliant.  I have already completed the basic cart and given it a coat of white (boring) paint.  The top will be 30 mm shorter since I boo booed on the ripping up of the valuable bbirch ply.  As for the rest of the material, it was already "in inventory".  The t track (from Lee Valley) does not fit the festool clamps so the clamps will be modified to fit the track.  I don't believe the accuarcy of a MDF top drilled with ANY technology will hold up to the rigors of constant insertion of bench dogs.  Your table will by used in conjuction with a fence system similar to the one Ron Paulk designed for his cross cut table. 

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #81 on: April 08, 2013, 09:43 AM »
Tim not sure if its been asked, do you know the total weight of the mft withouth the systainers and exstension tables ?

Tim,

I would also be interested in the loaded/unloaded weight. Is the height the same as the MFT, and will they connect together the same way?

This design is literally a godsend for me and I already purchased your complete plan package. I currently have a barn that I use for a shop and will be moving everything to a basement soon (forced move unfortunately). I use a hand truck to move my sys stacks and tools onto the job or shop and I am always interested in making fewer trips!

Do you think the unit will stand up to repeated moves up and down stairs and loading in the back of a truck? I will probably keep it loaded and use in conjunction with my MFT as my shop workbench as well.

The design is brilliant and very well thought out - would be hard to make it any better. Will probably make a secondary modified to carry the extentions instead of a work top.

I am also making my own sysports to keep things mobile and organized in the shop. Ill be sure to send you pictures of the results for your website.

Thanks again

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« Reply #82 on: April 08, 2013, 05:30 PM »
Sorry about that, i forgot to post the weight!
Mine weighs about 32kg empty, about 70lbs, more than i thought because of the wheels it feels very light.
I don't know the loaded weight though, and it's the same height and length as an MFT.
If i would be loading it in the bed of my truck and up/down stairs i would probably take the systainers out to make it more convenient and make the support pieces on the front higher and maybe cover them with something soft to avoid scuffing stairs


I also got pics from the first finished MFTC  from someone in the US!


I'm waiting to hear more details and write more info on how he did it and the hardware he used on my website to help others.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #83 on: April 08, 2013, 10:35 PM »
Sorry about that, i forgot to post the weight!
Mine weighs about 32kg empty, about 70lbs, more than i thought because of the wheels it feels very light.
I don't know the loaded weight though, and it's the same height and length as an MFT.
If i would be loading it in the bed of my truck and up/down stairs i would probably take the systainers out to make it more convenient and make the support pieces on the front higher and maybe cover them with something soft to avoid scuffing stairs


I also got pics from the first finished MFTC  from someone in the US!


I'm waiting to hear more details and write more info on how he did it and the hardware he used on my website to help others.



Tim,

Taking the tools out wouldn't help me, I am trying to find a solution for having to move my tools in and out of my shop on a daily or bi-daily basis. I do this already, which is not too bad because I have a loading bay, but where I will be moving I have about 100' (~30m) from where I park to the door and a flight of stairs to negotiate with all my tools and material.

The good news is its a straight shot, but probably 12-15 treads. I am going to build a V shaped trough fitted to the stairs to slide the sheet goods down, it will be made out of 4' (~1m) sections for storage. I like your idea because it combines tool, work surface, and mobility to move anywhere.

The weight doesn't concern me too much, its roughly 15lbs (~7kg) heavier than a stock MFT, my load would probably include a CSX (2lbs, ~1kg), RO 90 (3.3lbs ~1.5kg), 4-drawer sortainer with nailer (10lbs, ~4.5kg), and compressor (25lbs, ~11.5kg). Total load about 110lbs, which I can easily lift or slide onto my bedslide.

I plan on attaching UHMW plastic to the wheel side of the supports to help it slide better.

-Ian

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #84 on: April 15, 2013, 10:56 PM »
Anyone in the US making this have a source for hardware?  Specifically, the push-push locks. 

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #85 on: April 16, 2013, 03:22 PM »
Well I've done most of the woodwork on the MFTC but I'm having problems with finding the ironmongery as well, but I'm in the UK. Ttrack and push catches and 100mm adjustable legs. Any help? Any other UK members making this?
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« Reply #86 on: April 16, 2013, 06:32 PM »
For the latches you should find them in your country by googling "salice push latch"
For the tracks and levelers it's harder for me to help, you can do with any type of leveler if you adjust the plans where necessary. I used what i could find locally.
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #87 on: April 23, 2013, 12:13 PM »
Going to buy the ts55 next week so this would be a nice project!  :)

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #88 on: May 06, 2013, 12:26 PM »
Tim,

I'm in the begining stages of building the MFTC. The plans are great - Thanks.  Did you ever post the template referenced in an earlier post?   I cannot seem to find it and I am ready to cut out the sides.

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« Reply #89 on: May 07, 2013, 05:06 PM »
Tim,

I'm in the begining stages of building the MFTC. The plans are great - Thanks.  Did you ever post the template referenced in an earlier post?   I cannot seem to find it and I am ready to cut out the sides.

Hi Rick,
I attached the template to this post, i keep making improvements to the plans so any previous buyers who want the "latest" can always mail me to get them. But it would be silly to keep sending the latest version to everybody every couple weeks!
The German translation is now also available, i am going to send it to all previous Germanic buyers in the coming week.

there are also new images of user made MFTC's on my site!
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« Reply #90 on: May 08, 2013, 02:40 PM »
All,

Has anyone found a link to purchase the salice push push drawer locks in the US?   I cannot seem to find them anywhere.

Rick

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #91 on: May 08, 2013, 02:48 PM »
I don't know whether it helps, but I've been investigating using drawer slides with a catching mechanism built-in. I haven't purchased them yet, but something like the Accuride 3832TR or 3832HDTR "Touch Release" drawer slides should do the same thing as Tim's slides combined with the salice catch.

http://www.accuride.com/Resources/PDF/3832TR-R2-0709.pdf



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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #92 on: May 08, 2013, 02:50 PM »
All,

Has anyone found a link to purchase the salice push push drawer locks in the US?   I cannot seem to find them anywhere.

Rick
While helping out someone with the same question i stumbled upon these touch open drawer slides that render the separate locks unneccesary.
They seem to have the same function.

Edit, Garry beat me to it!
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« Reply #93 on: May 08, 2013, 04:02 PM »
Here is another link I found after searching for Acurride;

http://www.cabinetparts.com/p/accuride-side-mount-drawer-slides-glides-AC383212TR#!prettyPhoto

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« Reply #94 on: May 09, 2013, 12:25 PM »
Looks great. It is amazing how long it takes to plan, design, prototype, make adjustment, and finalize the design so someone else can build it.

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« Reply #95 on: May 10, 2013, 03:30 PM »
How about developing a version that could mount a standard MFT with the legs removed?  Then you could have the normal profiles for mounting the Festool fence and crosscut bridge.  And whatever else.

It might have 4 caster wheels instead of 2 wagon wheels.  Like a suitcase.  That way it could go through a fairly narrow doorway edgewise.
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« Reply #96 on: May 15, 2013, 05:30 AM »
This is madness!  [scared]

....I want one very badly now  [unsure]

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« Reply #97 on: May 21, 2013, 06:26 PM »
I'm sooooooooo close to completion. Well I've thought that a few times but there's a lot in the detail on this project. Still could do with some advice from the uk lot about purchasing the t track that works with the festool system?! Am also considering a bigger diameter wheel like perhaps 260mm or maybe even bigger. I've got a lot of adjustment in my 100mm m12 bolt height adjusters (don't ask ). Can't decide on its colouring either but I've started putting the acrylic varnish on. Any thoughts on the larger diameter wheel? I also hade to take 15 or 20 mm off the height of the bottom draw so that I could fit a sys3 at the bottom, a df500 in the middle and the domino systainer at the top. Only three draws. I'm also thinking of putting t track round the whole top of the mftc, so that you can end to end the extension tables with the mftc in the middle. I've got 4 meter work tops to contend with soon and that would be the perfect setup for in their garage. As you can see, I think that your design is great Tim and thanks for sharing.
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« Reply #98 on: May 22, 2013, 02:03 AM »
Am also considering a bigger diameter wheel like perhaps 260mm or maybe even bigger... Any thoughts on the larger diameter wheel?

A lot of sack trucks use 10" wheels, so I guess 260mm wouldn't be a problem. The wheels on my Dewalt Tough System Trolley are 220mm. I suppose you'd have to try it and see how it affects maneuverability and the centre of gravity. What do you hope the larger wheels will do for you?

I'm also thinking of putting t track round the whole top of the mftc, so that you can end to end the extension tables with the mftc in the middle.

From the video and plans, the only thing I can see that doing that will affect is the storage of rails. If you can live with losing that capability, then I don't see that adding a track to the fourth side will cause any issues.
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #99 on: May 22, 2013, 05:02 AM »
The idea of the larger wheel was to give a bit more clearance underneath the mftc for when I'm moving it over gravel and rough terrain. I was going to use the same pivot point on the mftc to mount the wheel, although I know that means that the wheel will stick out further out the front. But I should still keep the original stability.
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« Reply #100 on: May 22, 2013, 02:48 PM »
You can use any size of wheel you like, i used a 200mm wheel because i initially used the sysroll wheels, same as on the CT vacs. But they are from hard plastic, giving you a rough and noisy travel. So i had to buy similar sized rubber wheels. My first prototype had 260mm inflatable wheels, but they were too heavy and maintenance intensive requiring frequent pump ups.
If you want more ground clearance i would suggest raising the bottom of the carcass, this only impacts the height of the bottom drawer. the MFTC has a standard workbench height of 900mm, same as an MFT so i would avoid making it much taller!
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« Reply #101 on: May 22, 2013, 08:35 PM »
Oh!  [embarassed] Well I was in the hardware store today with work and they had 260mm inflatable wheels, so I bought them and just fitted them. Oh by the way, I'm 6 ft 2 and I don't own an mft. I'm so happy that it's mobile. I can always change them if it also becomes a problem for me. Thanks for your input.
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #102 on: May 22, 2013, 11:24 PM »
<cut>... the MFTC has a standard workbench height of 900mm, same as an MFT so i would avoid making it much taller!

Hmmm, I don't know about this 'standard bench height' comment.

Yes, 900 mm is an ideal working height for people of a specific height- but that ain't me... You see, I'm 6' 2" tall and as a working height 900 mm (roughly 35 3/8") is just plain uncomfortable. At 900 mm I find I am in a constant stoop and develop a back ache or strain over an extended period of time. I decided long ago I would not stoop to work, if I didn't have to. Everyone has their own ideal work height; a work height that is comfortable to work at for an extended period of time without undue strain. And it is a very personal choice.
For me I have settled on 1050 mm as my standard bench height.
This is both for the workshop and on site.

Every bench, infeed and outfeed table, etc in my workshop is at 1050 mm. This uniformity of height has greatly improved my workflows and at this height I can work comfortably for much longer and do not 'tire' for an extended period of time.

I have a love/hate relationship with my MFT. I love the concept, and really love the design elements- being the top itself and T rail extrusions and of course the interaction of clamps, etc... but for me the table is too flimsy to be at true workbench, it is too small to handle sheetgoods, it is too low to be comfortable to work at for an extended period... So I have taken the design elements and incorporated them into all my other (self-built) work surfaces.
And indeed, that is what Timtool has done with this magnificent bench.
It is a cracker of an idea- but I just wanted to say if you are going to build your own workbench- of any type- you should build the bench to your preferred work height....
Not the other way round and try an conform your work practices to a 'standard' height that may not be ideal for you...
Sorry, I got a bit long winded getting to my point....
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #103 on: May 23, 2013, 02:58 AM »
@Jogglestick, it's very true that each has their own ideal height. On a workbench i was told that that height is about at your wrist height, on average 900mm is the ideal standard height that works with most people. But if you are the only one working on it then you may as well adapt it to yourself, i build goldsmith workbenches for a living, there is a standard height but people frequently ask custom heights. They sit at it all day and the worktop must be at shoulder height when sitting down, otherwise you destroy your back.

Oh!  [embarassed] Well I was in the hardware store today with work and they had 260mm inflatable wheels, so I bought them and just fitted them. Oh by the way, I'm 6 ft 2 and I don't own an mft. I'm so happy that it's mobile. I can always change them if it also becomes a problem for me. Thanks for your input.

Actually inflatable wheels are a fine choice, the problem i had was that the supplied axle rod was heavy duty full steel, weighing close to 2kg! Now i got an axle from Festool that is hollow and weighs close to nothing. Every gram counts!
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #104 on: May 23, 2013, 03:53 AM »
@Jogglestick, it's very true that each has their own ideal height. On a workbench i was told that that height is about at your wrist height, on average 900mm is the ideal standard height that works with most people. But if you are the only one working on it then you may as well adapt it to yourself, i build goldsmith workbenches for a living, there is a standard height but people frequently ask custom heights. They sit at it all day and the worktop must be at shoulder height when sitting down, otherwise you destroy your back.




  OK, now that sounds interesting ......

   Top of the shoulder?  So they raise their arms up on top and rest their chin?

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 OK, just googled it. Looks like it is designed so that the work is directly in front of their eyes , and they sit in a curved cut out. I was picturing them having to hold their arms up on the surface.





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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #105 on: May 24, 2013, 12:01 PM »
Timtool, Love your design and will buy plans, but I'm curious if I can get both imperial and metric plans? I can get either and am undecided yet which materials I would like to build this from (which impacts the imperial or metric decision).

Also I noticed the tool list on your site, can I do without the table saw and use my track saw? Also are there specialized router bits I need? Looking forward to building this.
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« Reply #106 on: May 24, 2013, 03:10 PM »
Timtool, Love your design and will buy plans, but I'm curious if I can get both imperial and metric plans? I can get either and am undecided yet which materials I would like to build this from (which impacts the imperial or metric decision).

Also I noticed the tool list on your site, can I do without the table saw and use my track saw? Also are there specialized router bits I need? Looking forward to building this.

Sure you can get both versions, just add a message in paypal.
The track saw can replace the table saw, i used my track saw for some parts that required plunge cuts, but as i built it in my workshop it was just faster to use the panel saw.
And then i built the MFTC so i could use my track saw more, before that i had no real set up to use a track saw efficiently.
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #107 on: May 25, 2013, 07:35 AM »
@Jogglestick, it's very true that each has their own ideal height. On a workbench i was told that that height is about at your wrist height, on average 900mm is the ideal standard height that works with most people. But if you are the only one working on it then you may as well adapt it to yourself, i build goldsmith workbenches for a living, there is a standard height but people frequently ask custom heights. They sit at it all day and the worktop must be at shoulder height when sitting down, otherwise you destroy your back.




  OK, now that sounds interesting ......

   Top of the shoulder?  So they raise their arms up on top and rest their chin?

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 OK, just googled it. Looks like it is designed so that the work is directly in front of their eyes , and they sit in a curved cut out. I was picturing them having to hold their arms up on the surface.

Seth

That type of workbench would work for me if i had the space.
I have rearranged my shop several times, each time giving me just a little more space.
Of course, more space means "room for more toys"
I dare not create more space just so i can make more use for my Trion.
if i make space for a bench like that, i would load it with toys before it was finished.
If i build it first, it would have to be built in the kitchen   [scared]
oh well, my lastt post spoke of using a crutch.
That is safer than building in the kitchen.  ::)
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #108 on: June 09, 2013, 12:00 AM »
RickBW

After much difficulty and many searches I was able to find a link to a company that sells the latches (push push latches by Salintina).

<http://www.louisandcompany.com/storefront/catches-locks/touch-latches/cLAC04000000,cLAC04120000,p1.html>

There is this online site that sells them:

<http://www.homedecorhardware.com/hafele-hinges-and-stays-concealed-hinges-latches-for-push-system.html>

The latches are two pieces and requires you to buy the parts separately.  Or so it appears. 

Here is the catch:

<http://www.homedecorhardware.com/hafele-329-44-3-432.html?utm_source=googlepepla&utm_medium=adwords&id=47729434878&utm_content=pla&gclid=CMm75_TV1LcCFRSVMgodrEEA2Q

I hope this is helpful. 

If you get a chance post some pictures. 

Did you you find T-tracks that the Festool clamps fit into?  Can you share the link.


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« Reply #109 on: June 09, 2013, 05:55 AM »
For all those having trouble finding the adjustable legs i managed to track down the brand.
It's an Italian brand "Camar" and here are the legs, they only sell to large distributors who then distribute them to individual stores. If you google camar legs you can find stores that sell them more easily, if not you could mail camar and find out who distributes them in your country! I like these legs because you can adjust them by hand and they are rather cheap here around €1 a piece.
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #110 on: June 09, 2013, 09:07 AM »
Hi guys. This is my first post here. I have zero carpentry experience but am fairly handy and am a quick study. I have absolutely tons of projects lined up for our house renovation. The more I planned for the house the more custom my ideas became, to the point where it would take longer to tell a tradesman exactly what I wanted than to do the jobs myself. I really got very 'into' the design process of each piece of custom joinery I was coming up with in my head. I got such a kick out of it. I have always taken great pleasure out of other non carpentry items I built and/or pride at coming up with innovative solutions. I quickly realised that I would love to make carpentry/joinery a hobby. I guess I never really did grow out of Lego or meccano after all, so to speak :D If only I had had the opportunity to study carpentry or metal work in school then I might have found a passion for creating things much earlier in my life and ended up in a different career altogether. Needless to say, once I start acquiring the powertools, Festool will feature heavily.

I found Tims Youtube video for the MFTB weeks ago and subscribed straight away. Loved the idea and its execution.

Besides all the projects in the house I have another woodworking project in the pipeline for my other hobby, Astronomy. I'll be building a new BB Plywood base for my telescope and wanted to make it easily transportable in the car and easily movable across rough ground when observing the stars in some field up the mountains or easily movable up and down kerbs and steps when showing the public the stars at public outreach events in urban areas.

Part of the solution I settled on to achieve those aims is something that I think might be usable on the MTFB for getting it up and down stairs on jobsites more easily. Here it is:

The important part of the video is not the handtruck itself but the stair climbing tri-wheel system.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=ULWRV_N9ugY&feature=endscreen


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« Reply #111 on: June 09, 2013, 11:13 AM »
welcome to the fog.
what part of the country are you in.
i like that cart. very good design
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« Reply #112 on: June 09, 2013, 02:16 PM »
Hi Alan,

I'm from Bray in Wicklow.

I picked that particular Vid from Youtube because it showed heavy loads on the hand-truck. Neither the trolley chassis itself nor the side-slip rollers of the wheels were the parts of the design that I thought possibly useful for the MTFB. Just the Tri-Wheel system. I think it might give the MTFB when collapsed up and being moved, a wider surer footing with the bottom two wheels in contact with the ground and its benefits for climbing steps is obvious. I've seen triangular tri-Wheel hub made out of pieces of solid wood in other vids.

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Re: Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #113 on: June 09, 2013, 03:41 PM »
Rutlands 1/2" track fits the festool clamps

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #114 on: June 13, 2013, 11:31 PM »
I just ordered the plans , can't wait to build this . Are the extension table plans included too ?

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« Reply #115 on: June 14, 2013, 07:28 AM »
I just ordered the plans , can't wait to build this . Are the extension table plans included too ?
Yup the extensions are included, by the way are you driving a tractor on your profile pic?
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« Reply #116 on: June 14, 2013, 04:54 PM »
I just ordered the plans , can't wait to build this . Are the extension table plans included too ?
by the way are you driving a tractor on your profile pic?

Good eye , your the second person to catch that , it's a Case wheel loader .

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« Reply #117 on: June 17, 2013, 02:08 PM »
Anyone know of a UK stockist of the camar legs?
Thanks

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« Reply #118 on: June 20, 2013, 05:52 PM »
Hi Tim, just to say that I have received the plans for the MFTC and just amazed at the detail and clarity of the whole document, I am now looking forward to building and will let you know how I get on, Thanks again Tony [big grin]
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« Reply #119 on: July 10, 2013, 04:11 PM »
Hi Tim,

I think you're looking more often in the FOG forum than the german ones. So I will ask my questions here.

I've some trouble to find a german dealer for the Camar legs. A request to Camar is still unanswered since several weeks.
Furthermore I'm still seeking for a cheap source for the T-tracks.

I hope you can give some hints for some european sources.
« Last Edit: July 10, 2013, 04:20 PM by threedots »
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #120 on: July 14, 2013, 06:55 PM »
Hey, I'm wondering if there's a US parts list yet...I've been digging everywhere and I'm trying to put together my own before I begin the build.

So far I've got

T track for ptreeusa.com #1018

Slides leevalley.com touch open slides

Feet ??? I've found one camar distributor petermeier.com but they don't carry the 323 series. They carry the 343 and 345 series but I can't seem to find the diameter for either of them.

Wheels????

Maybe someone can fill in the blanks
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« Reply #121 on: July 15, 2013, 01:36 PM »
@elimelech12,

the wheels shouldn't be a problem. In worst case you can use the orignal festool wheels for the ct vacs from frestool ekat.

The Camar legs of series 323 are also a problem in germany. A request to the german camar division is still unanswered. As an alternative I'm focussing M8 height adjustable feet with corresponding stop nuts (this is the goolgle translation for the german Schlagmutter).
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« Reply #122 on: July 15, 2013, 04:00 PM »
I just bought some 8" wheels from ACE hardware.  However, I don't plan to use my MFTC that much off-site, so weight isn't that much of a concern.  You might try Grainger Supply

http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/search.shtml?searchQuery=8%22+Wheels&op=search&Ntt=8%22+Wheels&N=0&GlobalSearch=true&sst=subsetfor wheels

It might be best to call them and ask for help finding the lightest 8" wheel - they have too many choices!

I found that the Peach Tree T-track is deeper and wider than the MFTC plans call for.  Therefore I would use a wood/metal glue when installing the T-track to provide additional surface area for gluing.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #123 on: July 16, 2013, 08:03 PM »
@elimelech12,

the wheels shouldn't be a problem. In worst case you can use the orignal festool wheels for the ct vacs from frestool ekat.

The Camar legs of series 323 are also a problem in germany. A request to the german camar division is still unanswered. As an alternative I'm focussing M8 height adjustable feet with corresponding stop nuts (this is the goolgle translation for the german Schlagmutter).

I was able to find a camar dealer here in the US but I believe they only sell in bulk 345-10-02 are the ones I wanted to use and they are all 28mm OD.

Also has anyone tried building the carcass out of 12mm mdf? I know there was a question about the availability of it in the US. If any one is in NY/NJ, Larkin Lumber carries Ultralite MDF in metric.
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« Reply #124 on: July 16, 2013, 08:21 PM »
I found that the Peach Tree T-track is deeper and wider than the MFTC plans call for.  Therefore I would use a wood/metal glue when installing the T-track to provide additional surface area for gluing.

Thats a good point....hmmm... :-\...what are you using?
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« Reply #125 on: July 16, 2013, 09:59 PM »
I did use the Peachtree T-track but routed the 3/4" rail first for the added depth and then glued the 1/2" outer piece in two pieces.  I did not use wood/metal glue to attach the rail but just wished I had afterwards.  Seems pretty solid but I haven't attached the top yet.  Just finished drilling holes.  I cut it oversize and will trim it to fit the frame opening.

You can find the Camar legs at cabinet parts.com.

I plan to try something different from Lee Valley:  http://www.leevalley.com/US/hardware/Page.aspx?p=70815&cat=3,40993,41283

Haven't received them yet, if they don't work I plan to use some standard levelers that I purchased from Woodcraft.

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« Reply #126 on: July 17, 2013, 02:57 PM »
Does anyone think building the carcass out of 12mm Mdf would present problem?
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #128 on: July 17, 2013, 04:53 PM »
Sold my tools but kept a few Fes-tools...just in case.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #129 on: July 19, 2013, 12:37 PM »
Hi elimelech12,

here's an alternative which only needs 14mm (equals 0.55") holes.

Peter Meier furniture legs
« Last Edit: July 19, 2013, 01:12 PM by threedots »
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #130 on: July 19, 2013, 03:09 PM »
those would do but seems like a pain to adjust.
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« Reply #131 on: July 19, 2013, 10:01 PM »
I actually got in contact with the guys at Peter Meier and although they sell bulk they said they would send me 8...I'm gonna go with the camar 443-10-p2...they are $1.60 a piece
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« Reply #132 on: July 20, 2013, 06:46 AM »
Sorry for not being active lately, the harvest has begun so i spend most of my time driving a combine!

Does anyone think building the carcass out of 12mm Mdf would present problem?

I have both an imperial and metric version of the MFTC plans,
In the imperial plans i adapted everything to use imperial sized sheet goods, so instead of 12mm you have 12.7mm, so you can use imperial materials.
if however you got the metric plan for some reason then just mail me and i can send you the imperial version (the imperial version is still expressed in metric numbers, just adapted to imperial sheet thickness)
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« Reply #133 on: August 01, 2013, 04:48 PM »
[ Attachment Invalid Or Does Not Exist ] [ Attachment Invalid Or Does Not Exist ] [ Attachment Invalid Or Does Not Exist ] The push push locks I can not find then I looked every where I went to the Home Depot to get some push lock but it did not hold the drawer in
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #134 on: August 01, 2013, 07:12 PM »
Here's what I found:

Push-Push Latch

Knock-In Catch
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« Reply #135 on: August 26, 2013, 06:06 PM »
So my carcass has been done for a while but it's a side project as I don't have the time to fully dedicate to it. I made the legs out of 2x4 but I'm not to happy with them. I also built the carcass out of Mdf and I don't think it will be able to handle the drawers or constant moving to and fro. Also the T-track from peachtree is a little to thick so i'll most likely redo the top frame and use 3/4 all around. Here's what I've built so far.

« Last Edit: August 26, 2013, 06:11 PM by elimelech12 »
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #136 on: August 27, 2013, 03:15 PM »
So my carcass has been done for a while but it's a side project as I don't have the time to fully dedicate to it. I made the legs out of 2x4 but I'm not to happy with them. I also built the carcass out of Mdf and I don't think it will be able to handle the drawers or constant moving to and fro. Also the T-track from peachtree is a little to thick so i'll most likely redo the top frame and use 3/4 all around. Here's what I've built so far.



Looks nice to me, i wouldn't worry about mdf not holding the drawers. I didn't use it because of the weight, but it is more resistant than you initially think.
Sometimes i trash damaged or surplus MDF carcass type assemblies which are just nailed and glued together, and often smashing them on the concrete doesn't do any damage. I need to take out a hammer.

Good luck with the continuation!
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #137 on: September 03, 2013, 06:28 AM »
Sorry for not being active lately, the harvest has begun so i spend most of my time driving a combine!

Tim,
you might get a kick out of this.  A little off topic, but you are familiar with farm equipment.

When i was in HS, i was working on a small dairy farm.  It was owned by a New York City newspaper guy who was using the farm as a tax write off.   i had lived on a real working farm for several years before that, so i knew a little about poor operating procedures when i saw them.  This owner had bought a one row seeder for sowing the corn crop.  the farm was very hilly and he seemed to have directed the manager to plant the corn on the hilliest piece of ground on the farm.  He later bought a harvester machine that cut and bundled the corn to be loaded onto wagons and hauled to the silo.

now, with very hilly ground that was loaded with stones of all sizes (Connecticut ground seems to grow new stones every year.  a never ending chore of removing same), and a planter capable of only one very crooked row at a time, you, i am sure, can picture the fallacy of using an 4 row harvester to cut the corn.

Need I say more? [laughing]
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #138 on: September 23, 2013, 06:40 PM »
A massive Thank you to Timtool for this.  Ive been testing my beloved MFTC for the past couple of weeks now and love it!

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I made a couple of small changes to mine, I don't own a domino (yet) so bored 20mm holes in the legs with a router to allow me to use the parf dogs as supports.  This meant changing the dimensions of the rails at the drawer end to match the width of the folding legs.

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I could not locate any decent adjustable feet so opted for M8 feet on pronged tee nuts.  I wanted a solid surface for the extension tables so used the same method for the top of the main MFTC and extended the legs to full length (I keep a selection of plastic shims in the drawer in case I need to level it up).  I got the T Tracks and toggle bolts (used to connect the extension tables) from  http://www.rutlands.co.uk/

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The drawer slides have a built in 'push to open' mechanism and are made by a firm called 'GTV'.  I purchased them (along with the wheels and feet) from Ebay.

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Thanks again to Tim.
 

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #139 on: September 23, 2013, 11:05 PM »
Now you have to fill it up with some systainers
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #140 on: September 24, 2013, 07:02 AM »
This is really clever!  If I worked outside of my home, then I would want one!  Looking forward to your next innovation, Tim.

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« Reply #141 on: September 25, 2013, 06:53 AM »
AwesomeO: Looks really nice. What dimension of plywood did you use for the extension tables? Are they heavy?

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #142 on: October 06, 2013, 09:32 AM »
Hi Tim.

Where did you get the t-tracks. I'm from the netherlands so i think i can order them at the same place as you did.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #143 on: October 15, 2013, 03:30 PM »
I've been following this post for a couple weeks now, and I was wondering about those tracks. If I look at different suppliers, I notice some sell miter tracks, t-tracks, and mini t-tracks.
Which is which?
Are the tracks that the Festool clamps fit into called miter tracks or t-tracks?
I'm assuming the mini t-tracks are the same size as the track found on the Festool fence, am I correct?
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #144 on: October 17, 2013, 08:49 AM »
Hi Tim.

Where did you get the t-tracks. I'm from the netherlands so i think i can order them at the same place as you did.

If I remember correctly, Tim mentioned picking them up in a big box store. They are curtain tracks.
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #145 on: October 17, 2013, 10:09 AM »
I've been following this post for a couple weeks now, and I was wondering about those tracks. If I look at different suppliers, I notice some sell miter tracks, t-tracks, and mini t-tracks.
Which is which?
Are the tracks that the Festool clamps fit into called miter tracks or t-tracks?
I'm assuming the mini t-tracks are the same size as the track found on the Festool fence, am I correct?
 [scratch chin] [scratch chin]

McMaster Carr sells t slot track that fits the Festool clamps # 1850A19 48" $12. There is also a guy on eBay selling identical track.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #146 on: October 18, 2013, 01:06 PM »
Yeah, it's  bit of a downer living as an ex-pat over here in the Netherlands and trying to get my paws on stuff that's easily available in the US or Canada. A lot of the stuff on Ebay won't ship overseas, some will, but not everything, and it always seems like the stuff you would like to have the most won't ship.
I have found some suppliers here that sell some T-track that will work, but it's still a far cry from something yummy like Incra.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #147 on: October 18, 2013, 01:23 PM »
You can check out www.motedis.de, they sell a lot of different profiles and some of them are definately compatible with the Festool clamps. I have used the 40 I-type Slot 8 and they are perfect with the clamps. I know that the clamps are also compatible with the B-type slot 10 but they will rattle a bit in the slot.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #148 on: October 18, 2013, 05:46 PM »
Another possibility is this German Company. I ordered routerlift and plate from them, they seem to have a large selection of Incra Goodies  ;D
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #149 on: October 19, 2013, 09:57 AM »
Yeah, it's  bit of a downer living as an ex-pat over here in the Netherlands and trying to get my paws on stuff that's easily available in the US or Canada. A lot of the stuff on Ebay won't ship overseas, some will, but not everything, and it always seems like the stuff you would like to have the most won't ship.
I have found some suppliers here that sell some T-track that will work, but it's still a far cry from something yummy like Incra.

Sorry, my post was from a tablet and I had not noticed you were overseas. I ship some stuff via USPS International, feel free to email me if I you need a relay point for something.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #150 on: October 23, 2013, 05:09 PM »
So close to being done.
Sold my tools but kept a few Fes-tools...just in case.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #151 on: October 23, 2013, 05:50 PM »
***Can a MOD flip my photos please***
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #152 on: October 23, 2013, 06:08 PM »
I can't help out right now.  Just downloaded new Mac operating system and am installing.  If Shane or Seth doesn't do it before I can get to it, I will.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #153 on: October 23, 2013, 06:31 PM »
looking good.
i would love to see a video of someone using one of these  out in the real world and showing what they might tweek
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #154 on: October 23, 2013, 06:46 PM »
I can't help out right now.  Just downloaded new Mac operating system and am installing.  If Shane or Seth doesn't do it before I can get to it, I will.

Sorry,

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« Reply #155 on: October 23, 2013, 07:05 PM »
I can't help out right now.  Just downloaded new Mac operating system and am installing.  If Shane or Seth doesn't do it before I can get to it, I will.

Sorry,

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #156 on: October 24, 2013, 09:01 AM »
Must be something wrong on the forum, I took the pics and rotated them right side up and put them in a message three times and they keep showing upside down.  There is a problem here somewhere, or with the pics.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #157 on: October 24, 2013, 09:06 AM »
Just tried something! If you right click on the image and pick "open image in new tab" (on a Mac) it will open right side up, or at least it did for me.

Rusty

You have to click on the image first to make it bigger then right click.  If the new tab title is MFTC-portable-workshop then you're good but if it says index.php (200 x 149) then you didn't click on it first to enlarge.  Clear as mud, right.
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #158 on: October 24, 2013, 12:26 PM »
Trying this on a PC. Well it worked.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #159 on: October 24, 2013, 07:10 PM »
Trying this on a PC. Well it worked.

Rusty

Thanks rusty...now if only I could rotate the attached files in my post
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #160 on: October 24, 2013, 07:36 PM »
Trying this on a PC. Well it worked.

Rusty

Thanks rusty...now if only I could rotate the attached files in my post

Sorry, my upgrade to Mavericks hit a little snag and I couldn't get to Photoshop until today.  I took the liberty of adjusting them so others could see more details of your fine work.  Here are your images:

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #161 on: October 24, 2013, 08:09 PM »
Peter,
My update went smooth as silk.  Only thing I've run into was Textexpander needed to be upgraded to work with Maverick's.  Liking it so far.  Not near the drastic change as with ios7.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #162 on: October 24, 2013, 10:33 PM »
elimelech12

Really nice job.  It looks great!

While it's fresh in your mind, could you summarize in a post the parts you ended up going with and the part # and source?  Thinking that would help others on this side of the pond who are looking for a bill-of-materials.

I have the plans.  Just need to get on with building a unit when I get other things done.

Thanks for sharing!

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #163 on: October 24, 2013, 11:41 PM »
elimelech12

Really nice job.  It looks great!

While it's fresh in your mind, could you summarize in a post the parts you ended up going with and the part # and source?  Thinking that would help others on this side of the pond who are looking for a bill-of-materials.

I have the plans.  Just need to get on with building a unit when I get other things done.

Thanks for sharing!

neil



T track -ptreeusa.com #1018. If you decide to go with these I recommend bringing the outside frame from 1/2inch to 3/4. I like the look also. Because I widened the top frame by a 1/4 you will need longer bolts. I went with 5/16 x 3 inch.

Slides -leevalley.com touch open slides

Feet  -I've found one camar distributor petermeier.com but they don't carry the 323 series. They carry the 343 and 345 series. I was fortunate to have then send me a few, but they only sell bulk.

Other than that its straight fwd
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #164 on: November 24, 2013, 05:43 PM »
I keep looking at this tread and really want to make one but in this country we all work from vans and atm mines not the biggest haha
Maybe i can make one up to keep in my shed and take to sites where im going alot of work.

Hmmm

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« Reply #165 on: November 27, 2013, 02:00 AM »
Seems like Tim's website is down right ow. I sent him a PM...
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« Reply #166 on: November 27, 2013, 09:56 AM »
Tim's website is back up.
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #167 on: November 27, 2013, 10:25 AM »
Just wondering if anyone kept track of the total cost of building one. I would love to build one for my garage so I can take it down when I want to park inside.
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #168 on: November 27, 2013, 05:07 PM »
I to would like to know this also? Material only as time is no real problem atm for me!

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #169 on: November 27, 2013, 09:44 PM »
Here's a summary of the amount of wood from the English imperial unit instructions:

1 sheet of 1 /2 inch plywood
1 sheet of 3 /4 inch plywood
1 sheet of 1 /2 inch mdf

The MFTC instructions have a detailed cutting diagram for the sheet goods but the total amount of hardwood and softwood is not documented.

I went through the plan and added up the board feet to be:
hardwood 2.3 board-feet
softwood    5.2 board-feet

I am not sure what kind of multiplier one would use to account for board waste.  At any rate, these numbers can be used for a rough estimate of the cost of wood.

I am hoping Timothy might follow up with complete materials list from his MFTC instructions.


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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #170 on: December 05, 2013, 09:10 AM »
I was thinking about actually replacing your flip top with the real MFT-3 table since the length are almost identical and then adjusting the width to the base. Making some kind of Pivot-plate on the inside of the MFT3 extrusion shouldn´t be to hard I think...

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #171 on: December 05, 2013, 09:42 AM »
This is going to be my next project. I need to order some T Track for my current project how much extra for this project?

Thank you

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #172 on: December 08, 2013, 05:24 PM »
For anyone in the UK, I used Eurofit for the drawer runners - much cheaper than anything else I looked at on line at 4.38 a pair inc vat, free postage and quick delivery. http://www.eurofitdirect.co.uk/46mm-ball-bearing-slides

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #173 on: December 10, 2013, 05:44 PM »
Something like this... A little bit bulkier than Tim´s slick design   [huh]

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #174 on: December 10, 2013, 06:06 PM »
A dutch guy has extended the MFTC into the MFTC-XL.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #175 on: December 10, 2013, 06:13 PM »
Sounds cool, but the pictures are for registered members only  [sad]

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #176 on: December 10, 2013, 06:31 PM »
Sounds cool, but the pictures are for registered members only  [sad]

And, I don't know how to register CarolinaNomad in Dutch. ???  Maybe someone could post pics here.

I like the MFTC-MFT/3.  Don't mean to infringe on product name, but I have added this to my to do list.
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« Reply #177 on: December 10, 2013, 06:33 PM »
Sounds cool, but the pictures are for registered members only  [sad]

Oops. Didn't think of that.
I've asked the author to post some pictures here.

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« Reply #178 on: December 10, 2013, 06:35 PM »
Something like this... A little bit bulkier than Tim´s slick design   [huh]

(Attachment Link)

Massemannen,  With that sexy Google Sketchup illustration, I nominate you as the builder of this great idea!  [big grin]
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« Reply #179 on: December 10, 2013, 06:40 PM »
I like this idea as well, although wheels on the narrow would make getting through doorways easier.
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« Reply #180 on: December 10, 2013, 07:09 PM »
I like this idea as well, although wheels on the narrow would make getting through doorways easier.

The table alone is 31" wide.  Your stuck with exterior doors at best.  All interior doors are 30" finished.

Timtool can correct me, but I think he designed it to be narrow for interior doors.  But there is no reason why one couldn't drag the MFTC-XL (Or I like to call it, MFTC-MFT/3 [wink]) through an interior door that is less than 30" wide.
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« Reply #181 on: December 11, 2013, 01:04 AM »
No I kinda get what he is saying and was thinking the same thing myself. Sometimes its just easier to control rolling on 4 wheels, not as fast but in those moments it's nice to be able to do it.

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« Reply #182 on: December 11, 2013, 03:26 AM »
Quote
A dutch guy has extended the MFTC into the MFTC-XL.

That Dutch guy will be me...  ::) A member of the Dutch Woodworking Forum brought your questions to my attention. So here I am...  [wink]

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And, I don't know how to register CarolinaNomad in Dutch. Huh?  Maybe someone could post pics here.

That can be arranged ofcourse! I'll try to figure out how this works and post some pics here. Unfortunately my MFTC-XL is not finished yet (due to lack of time...) but I will keep you posted once I continue building it.
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« Reply #183 on: December 11, 2013, 03:39 AM »
OK, here we go... Let's start by posting some of the renderings of my MFTC-XL
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« Reply #184 on: December 11, 2013, 03:52 AM »
At the moment the project has come to this point (see pictures below...). Next year I will continue building it. I will keep you posted...

PS: Merry Christmas and a happy 2014 !!!

Best regards, Ekko

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« Reply #185 on: December 11, 2013, 05:12 AM »
That is just awesome, Bosquet!  [eek]

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« Reply #186 on: December 11, 2013, 05:19 AM »
welcome to the fog ekko.
i realy like that.
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« Reply #187 on: December 11, 2013, 08:03 AM »
Very nice!
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« Reply #188 on: December 11, 2013, 08:05 AM »
Nice design.  Nice Sketchup and photography skills. 

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« Reply #189 on: December 11, 2013, 10:08 AM »
I was at first considering doing exactly that! Interesting to see.

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« Reply #190 on: December 11, 2013, 04:49 PM »
Thanks for all the positive reactions !!!  [embarassed]
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« Reply #191 on: December 14, 2013, 02:58 PM »
I forgot to tell: the MFTC-XL can hold 7 systainers:

1 systainer 4 **
2 systainers 2
4 systainers 1

** The space for the systainer 4 can also be filled with a systainer 3 (ofcourse...) but also with another two systainers 2 (for instance: the Festool DF-500 attached to the systainer 2 filled with the domino's).
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« Reply #192 on: December 19, 2013, 04:20 PM »
Just when I thought people wouldn't be impressed on site anymore, when I setup my festool rigs.
This workbench is going to be a game changer for me. Very impressed.

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« Reply #193 on: December 20, 2013, 12:13 PM »


It's been a while since I saw the first post of this thread. This is a great design!

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« Reply #194 on: December 20, 2013, 11:42 PM »
At the moment the project has come to this point (see pictures below...). Next year I will continue building it. I will keep you posted...

PS: Merry Christmas and a happy 2014 !!!



You beat me to the punch!!

I have a somewhat different desin that is kind of a rework of your design and the original MFTC. It will be an MFTC XL too! Hopefully I can get cracking on it during this christmas break.

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« Reply #195 on: December 22, 2013, 05:42 AM »
Another picture, this time from the other side of the MFTC-XL

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #196 on: December 26, 2013, 08:49 PM »
That is awesome and would definitely be a future build for me...at the very bottom some sys-mini's would look nice
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« Reply #197 on: December 27, 2013, 12:24 PM »
Built one from scraps, odds and sods and leftovers from jobs. The only expenditure was on drawer runners, which cost about £17, plus the usual glue, screws, doms, paint etc. Had to make some changes as I only had 10mm ply. I also had a cnc'ed top (made some time ago as a spare for the bench) which was 18mm, and a slightly different size to the one specified in the drawings.

Apart from the ply thickness, the main changes were to the wheels (mine are from an old concrete mixer that died, and are about 240mm dia), and the locking bar thing I added to stop the drawers opening (I couldn't find a sensible source for the catches suggested, and in any case I wanted something more positive).


Made the top frame from solid rather than built up from ply. I haven't used T-track as it's bloody expensive in the UK, and I haven't made the extension tables anyway. Can always be added in the future.


Solid rubber wheels. Still got concrete and mortar snots on from their previous use - must clean them up a bit sometime. This shot also shows the bottom of the locking bar, which slots into a bit of ply fixed to the underside of the cabinet.


Detail of the top bit of the drawer lock (underside) - a bit of ply with a slot in it, a spacer and a couple of aluminium tabs to hook onto the cabinet top:


Same again, but in place - it just slides onto the ply top


The batten to hold the drawers in place is just a length of beech, shown here removed. The bottom drawer is very useful


Drawer bases made from 10mm ply are too thin, so I had to glue a bit of softwood on the sides so I had something reasonably solid to screw the runners onto.


Making changes resulted in a few surprises - the original drawings are absolutely spot on of course, and changing a component size usually means that something else has to be changed to suit. I've used it on site a couple of times and it's very useful.

I think I'd like to put a couple of small locking castors on the front instead of the feet, and I'm not sure that the handle is up to the job, especially when I pull it up into the van (my version is probably a bit heavier than the standard because of the 18mm top). The skids are essential if you want to lift it into a van, and I feel happier removing the three Systainers first, mainly because I'm doubtful about the strength of the handle. It stands up ok in my VW T4, with a few inches headroom to spare.
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« Reply #198 on: December 28, 2013, 07:46 AM »
Nice one Steve, i like the assembly of the worktop you did there. My first prototype was similar but for the final version i went for plywood because it could be made with basic tools easily.
Can i use the pics on my site?

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« Reply #199 on: December 28, 2013, 09:46 AM »
Of course Tim. Thanks for the work you put into the drawings.
For anyone in the UK, the drawer runners were from http://www.eurofitdirect.co.uk, sku no DS53502, 46mm ball bearing slides 350 mm full extension.

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« Reply #200 on: January 04, 2014, 10:53 PM »
All most ready!

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« Reply #201 on: January 07, 2014, 06:52 AM »
I am attempting to drill the top using described methods.  I make the first two set of holes along each side, then turn to put the dogs in and start the easy task of going down drilling every 96mm.  That's my confusion, the offset for the LR32 baseplate isn't divisible by 32 or the required 96mm.  Am I missing something from Tim's directions?  I know I'm missing just one small thing.

Please help, I was driving home in the snow and I thought to myself, please don't let me die tonight with this problem unsolved,

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« Reply #202 on: January 07, 2014, 02:46 PM »
Have you drilled the 20mm holes along both edges? Then you insert the rail dogs with the rail in those and start drilling the actual holes.
I am not certain of what you mean by the offset of the baseplate, if you mean the positioning things that attach on top of the rail then you don't need those to drill the actual holes.

I hope i correctly understood your problem though!
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« Reply #203 on: January 07, 2014, 05:20 PM »
Hey Tim, thanks for replying, this project is like reading a good book that you can't put down.  This is a lot of fun to build, I can't say enough about your design.   I set up and routed the 20mm on each side but I spaced them every 4th hole to get 96mm on the initial holes.  Was I supposed to use a different spacing for the first two set of holes?  Thanks for your time

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« Reply #204 on: January 07, 2014, 05:34 PM »
Apparently you did it right, then you can just follow the plans, fasten the rail dogs through those holes into the rail and then drill the holes every 96mm on the rail. And you should be left with a 96mm grid pattern!
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« Reply #205 on: January 07, 2014, 06:09 PM »
Ahhh, I think I have it, the holes I routed first do not have to match the "actual" holes you will rout. I owe you a pint Tim.
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« Reply #206 on: January 15, 2014, 07:40 PM »
Some pictures of our mftcs almost finished

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« Reply #207 on: January 15, 2014, 08:53 PM »
Nice job!

Where did you get the wheels?


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« Reply #208 on: January 16, 2014, 06:52 AM »
Thanks,
   After a bit of research I chose a replacement wheel for a really nice cart that seems to be made for mostly hauling band equipment like amplifiers and stuff- called the rock-n-roller r8. (I plan on replacing my wagon that stays on the truck with one of these) The best price for the wheels was from fullcompass.com
  Got them quick and the shipping was only $4.99 total for 6 wheels. Each wheel $15.99
  I used 3/4x5" bolts from Home Depot as axles inserted them with head on the outside against wheel and countersunk
The nut on the inside ( chiseling the wood to keep the nut from turning) and then cut the excess bolt off flush with the nut.
  After trying the accuride 3832trhd track and the KV version as well I like the accuride better
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I also would like to add that Tim's plans were excellent and the design/engineering is great!
Only changes I had to make we're that when I made the top my t slot purchased from McMaster-Carr was too thick to route in
So we ripped the inner layer of the frame down and applied a band of hardwood around the top to go above the t-slot. And we also used 3/4" ply for systainer drawer bottoms that we cut as Tim showed but also routed to accept the bottoms of the original
Style systainers
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« Reply #209 on: January 16, 2014, 09:08 PM »
Thanks for the wheel info.

Yet another question:

    Where did you get the adjustable leg inserts?

I purchased the MFTC plans a couple of months ago and plan on building one as soon as possible...


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« Reply #210 on: January 16, 2014, 10:46 PM »
We build custom cabinets and those are the camar leg levelers that we normally use from Baer Supply.
But on the table extensions we cut the foot off and covered with a 1" rubber foot from Home Depot because
The legs are on an angle.

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« Reply #211 on: January 17, 2014, 06:39 AM »
Some pictures of our mftcs almost finished

Wow those pics really made my day! Can i put them on my site or will you soon have pics of them finished?

thanks again!
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« Reply #212 on: January 17, 2014, 06:51 AM »
Hi Tim,
  Feel free to post themon your site and I'll send better pics when they are done. We sort of staged them for those shots
because I don't have the drawer tracks yet. I didn't mention in my post but we are in Pittsburgh, PA.
   Once again thanks for the plans. Great job!

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« Reply #213 on: January 21, 2014, 06:45 PM »
After a bit of research I chose a replacement wheel for a really nice cart that seems to be made for mostly hauling band equipment like amplifiers and stuff- called the rock-n-roller r8. (I plan on replacing my wagon that stays on the truck with one of these) The best price for the wheels was from fullcompass.com
  Got them quick and the shipping was only $4.99 total for 6 wheels. Each wheel $15.99

For my UK brethren who might be interested, I found these wheels online at ALG Sound and Light Store for £9.54 + VAT for a pair, £5.00 + VAT delivery.

http://www.soundandlightstore.co.uk/r-trac-caster-wheels-8-by-2-5-pair-of-wheels-for-r12--p5970

£17.45 including VAT and delivery for two high quality 8" wheels.
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« Reply #214 on: January 23, 2014, 01:32 PM »
Hi,
Has anyone used ultralight mdf for the MFTC?  Any issues in using this?   Also, I haven't been able to find those hafele salice push pulls in the US - does anyone have a source, part number or alternative?
Thanks,
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« Reply #215 on: January 23, 2014, 01:35 PM »
I think most people now use drawer runners that are push-to-open instead. Try something like the Accuride 3832 or 3832HDTR.
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #216 on: January 23, 2014, 03:47 PM »
Wow CWP... love the setup with three MFTC's in one shot. Awsome wheels as well...  [tongue]
Best regards, Ekko

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« Reply #217 on: January 29, 2014, 04:14 PM »
Finally found some time to continue my work on the MFTC-XL: started building the top and the legs. Because the setup of the XL-version is completely different in according to BenchWorks' MFTC some re-designing was acquired.

Below you will find some pictures which will give you an indication of how it's going to turn out.

To be continued... ;)

« Last Edit: January 30, 2014, 02:27 AM by Bosquet »
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« Reply #218 on: January 29, 2014, 07:50 PM »
What's the Festool part number for that lid holder-opener in the first picture?

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« Reply #219 on: January 29, 2014, 09:14 PM »
sick sick sick
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« Reply #220 on: January 30, 2014, 02:25 AM »
Quote
What's the Festool part number for that lid holder-opener in the first picture?

That will be the new Domino Sipo, 3 x 250, partnumber = 494874. Unfortunately only available in Drachten, the Netherlands  [blink]

The reason why the lid will not open completely... I ordered the wrong size drawer runners [eek] 300mm (approx 11.75 inc) in stead of the required 350mm (approx 13.75 inch). For this "prototype" I'll leave it like this...
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« Reply #221 on: February 01, 2014, 06:09 PM »
This is a thread jack if I ever saw one
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« Reply #222 on: February 27, 2014, 11:32 PM »
Mftc from Denver Colorado almost finished!101524-0101526-1
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« Reply #223 on: February 28, 2014, 01:49 PM »
put my laser cutter to work for cutting out the 1/2'' ply. also included the small work top and quick removable top and handle.
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« Reply #224 on: February 28, 2014, 05:09 PM »
Incredible Avery!

I just bought Tim's plans a day or so ago.  I'm going to need to modify them because half of my gear is in Dewalt T-Stacks but I can't wait to get going on two of these.
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« Reply #225 on: March 01, 2014, 06:46 AM »
Nice ones Alonzo and Avery!
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« Reply #226 on: March 01, 2014, 11:09 AM »
Nice job Alonzo and Averey!  Hey Averey you have a laser cutter? Id like to see that in action. Looks really good. I just finised mine will post soon.
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« Reply #227 on: March 01, 2014, 11:12 AM »
101602-0
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« Reply #228 on: March 01, 2014, 11:43 AM »
101604-0

Some Notes: Most of you would probably not make these mistakes, but here are some suggestions. Tims Plans are dead on. Don't be afraid to cut all the pieces before assembly as long as you are not changing sizes of any of the parts. And you have purchased all of your hardware and don't need minor adjustments for hardware that is not the same as the plans. (wheel size, drawer slides, adjustable feet...)

Paint the add on pieces first.  I painted the black parts in place. Big mistake, pain in the . But I was so excited to get this cart together.

I had a hard time with the feet. I used a leveling foot insert, then screwed the foot into it. The insert is 34.9 mm (1 ⅜") round. It was the only one I could find and I had built the legs already. I had to sand the plastic insert down to fit it. I probably would have built the legs a couple of mm larger if I had the part first. I got mine from grainger.  By the way, this would be an example of changing the size of something and having a fit problem down the road. Tims tolerances are pretty tight, if I made the legs thicker, they would probably rub when folding the cart up.

The feet under the cabinet of the cart are a must, the cart will easily tip when in folded position without them.

I used carriage bolts instead of a wheel axel. I couldn't figure out how the wheel stays on the axel. Lol. (i couldn't seem to locate the locking ring.) The only problem I had, was I drilled the deep hole for one of the wheel carriage bolts  on a slight angle and now one wheel is not completely straight. This does not cause an operating problem, just annoys me visually.

I no longer have a shop, I built this in my laundry room in a space about 11ft x 6ft. I used my track saw for everything. For those of you with a real shop, this should go together pretty quickly. Took me about 2 weeks of spare time, in between jobs. I built the top first, and then used it on horses to build the rest of the parts.

I used Lee Valley drawer slides: part # 02K4835    Pr 350mm(14") Full Ext Touch Open Slides  4   @ 17.60ea    70.40 TL.

I only own a Festool FS 75, OF 1400 router, and Midi dust extractor. I will reconfigure the drawer system as I acquire more Festool.
Thank you Tim, your work is amazing, I love my MFTC! I wonder if you know how many confirmed MFTC have been built?
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« Reply #229 on: March 01, 2014, 11:47 AM »
One more thing. I learned how to work in metric from this project. Why Oh why are we still using imperial measurements in the US. Metric is a no brainer.

Also: I just installed my t track got it from Incra
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« Reply #230 on: March 01, 2014, 12:38 PM »
One more thing. I learned how to work in metric from this project. Why Oh why are we still using imperial measurements in the US. Metric is a no brainer.

Also: I just installed my t track got it from Incra

Metric is awesome!
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« Reply #231 on: March 01, 2014, 01:45 PM »
From a european perspective I am having a very hard time understanding why you still use the imperial system. ;)

On the other hand, it seems that noone appreciates plywood here in Sweden everyone use MDF. I would really like to have the kind of supply that you have of plywood over there...

On topic: I have also purchased Tims plans but have not yet been able to build one. The plans are really great though and the fact that you get the sketchup drawings as well makes it possible to make adjustments.
There are a lot of nice builds in this thread, really nice of you to share!

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« Reply #232 on: March 01, 2014, 02:25 PM »
From a european perspective I am having a very hard time understanding why you still use the imperial system. ;)

LOL! From an American perspective I am having a very hard time understanding why we still use the imperial system also.  [big grin]

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« Reply #233 on: March 25, 2014, 05:25 AM »
Improvements on the MFTC-XL.

Moving forward at slow pace... Eventually we'll get there...  [embarassed]

 
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« Reply #234 on: March 25, 2014, 03:51 PM »
...and the drilled top is in place as well...
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« Reply #235 on: March 30, 2014, 05:33 PM »
From a european perspective I am having a very hard time understanding why you still use the imperial system. ;)

LOL! From an American perspective I am having a very hard time understanding why we still use the imperial system also.  [big grin]

I've switched to metric in the shop. At my age , it's a lot easier than imperial math...

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« Reply #236 on: April 03, 2014, 07:53 PM »
Finally got around to buying the plans. Thanks Tim, and all those who shared part #'s ect!
may be a bit before it gets done but this way I can ponder  [thumbs up]
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« Reply #237 on: April 20, 2014, 03:24 PM »
I just bought a set of plans!  I can't wait to build the first of many.  I'll send photo once I'm done.  Great job Tim.
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« Reply #238 on: May 08, 2014, 05:52 PM »
Bought the plans. Not sure when I will be able to do this. Someone was talking about stairs in an earlier post. Would it be possible/feasible to switch the wheel design to a 3-wheel rotating layout on both sides which would enable you to "glide" up stairs? Gotta think about that. Malte

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« Reply #239 on: May 09, 2014, 05:14 PM »
Someone was talking about stairs in an earlier post. Would it be possible/feasible to switch the wheel design to a 3-wheel rotating layout on both sides which would enable you to "glide" up stairs? Gotta think about that. Malte

It must be possible without major if any adaptations besides the position of the axle, always having 4 wheels on the ground might even add to the stability.
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« Reply #240 on: August 25, 2014, 04:41 PM »
Hello there,
I commended man plans and paid by Pay-Pal there has 8 days, I still have not received anything!  ???
Error or on vacation?  :'(

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« Reply #241 on: August 25, 2014, 04:51 PM »
Did you check your spam folder?

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« Reply #242 on: August 25, 2014, 06:08 PM »
Hello Boiseu, i send them usually within a few hours after payment. It is either in your spam box, or in a different mail box address (the one that is attached to your paypal account)
In any case just send me a mail and i will send them again, sorry about the wait!

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #243 on: November 04, 2014, 11:57 AM »
Don't do Facebook very often, so this one passed me by Tim, but great shot of an MFTC loaded ready for transport!




[Source: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10203293586685186&set=a.4991506550194.196512.1375533399&type=1]


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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #244 on: November 04, 2014, 03:01 PM »
That bike is fantastic!

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #245 on: November 04, 2014, 03:35 PM »
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #246 on: November 04, 2014, 03:44 PM »
That bike is fantastic!

Bullitt Cargo Bike
http://larryvsharry.com/


I was about to laud the Dutch, who are very innovative... Then, I read your link and it appears to be a couple of Danes.

Well done!


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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #247 on: November 04, 2014, 04:02 PM »
Great find Garry, do you know anything more about the picture?

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #248 on: November 04, 2014, 04:12 PM »
The cargo bike and Festool system is a perfect combination! For some clients showing up with that kit alone would be enough. The cargo extension below is great as well. Fits any ordinary bike. Here in Asheville NC it would be conceivable for some to bike with their gear to a job.

https://www.biketrailershop.com/xtracycle-longloader-rack-p-1440.html?gdftrk=gdfV22203_a_7c1234_a_7c8345_a_7c1440&gclid=CjwKEAiAj-KiBRC48YzhnLSg0D0SJAClOhK3rhCUgCo8DtM3pxbQaH0Ib8p-IJG6T_spHD91-nLKcRoCZR7w_wcB

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #249 on: November 04, 2014, 04:14 PM »
Great find Garry, do you know anything more about the picture?

Sorry Tim, no.

It was posted on the Festool GB Facebook page back in July, but I don't "do" Facebook very often so only noticed it today.
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #250 on: November 04, 2014, 06:32 PM »
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The cargo bike and Festool system is a perfect combination

I like the trailers from www.bikesatwork.com.  I have not pulled the trigger yet, but it would be a handy way to haul an MFTC.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #251 on: November 04, 2014, 07:07 PM »
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The cargo bike and Festool system is a perfect combination

I like the trailers from www.bikesatwork.com.  I have not pulled the trigger yet, but it would be a handy way to haul an MFTC.

Wonder how my 11'6" SUP would fit on that? Been looking for a way to get it to the beach without firing up 3 tons of steel and plastic.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #252 on: November 04, 2014, 09:38 PM »
Unless I'm looking at it wrong, how can you see where you're going on the blue bike? In the eastern countries the load is behind the rider. In any case it's awesome and beautiful.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #253 on: November 04, 2014, 09:42 PM »
All the dog holes! Probably looks like looking through Swiss cheese though.
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #254 on: November 20, 2014, 01:22 PM »
Hello Everyone

I'm starting this project this weekend and I would like to confirm 2 items.  I'm going to purchase the following sliders and legs and want to get your thoughts on whethere I'm on right track.  My most concern is on the sliders being a bit too long at 14 inch--?
Any feedback is appreciated.

1. Legs - http://www.leevalley.com/EN/hardware/page.aspx?p=69020&cat=3,40993,41283&ap=1
2. Sliders -  http://www.leevalley.com/en/hardware/page.aspx?p=60897&cat=3,43614,43616&ap=1

Any suggestions on getting the hinges?  No luck at Home Depot.....

Thanks a bunch.
« Last Edit: November 20, 2014, 05:35 PM by Rob in Vancouver »
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #255 on: November 21, 2014, 09:21 AM »
Thanks Tim! Got the plans and am ready to roll!

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #256 on: November 22, 2014, 02:37 AM »
Hello Everyone

I'm starting this project this weekend and I would like to confirm 2 items.  I'm going to purchase the following sliders and legs and want to get your thoughts on whethere I'm on right track.  My most concern is on the sliders being a bit too long at 14 inch--?
Any feedback is appreciated.

1. Legs - http://www.leevalley.com/EN/hardware/page.aspx?p=69020&cat=3,40993,41283&ap=1
2. Sliders -  http://www.leevalley.com/en/hardware/page.aspx?p=60897&cat=3,43614,43616&ap=1

Any suggestions on getting the hinges?  No luck at Home Depot.....

Thanks a bunch.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #257 on: November 22, 2014, 02:39 AM »
I've measured the interior of mine and 14" will work.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #258 on: December 01, 2014, 03:01 AM »
I've measured the interior of mine and 14" will work.

Thanks :)
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #259 on: December 01, 2014, 11:10 PM »
As for the levelers, try woodcraft Item #27P20.  I built them into the support members at the bottom of the case.  This way, you won't be trying to shim your insert into 1/2 inch plywood and it will be much stronger.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #260 on: December 03, 2014, 01:28 PM »
Greeting folks

Firstly, I'm new to this forum and I want to thank all posters for the immense amount of knowledge they have put up on here, without you guys I would be in some serious trouble :)

Is it possible that the MDF portion of these plans should be 3/4 inch and not 1/2 inch?  If I'm not mistaken the Festool table comes in 3/4 inch thick MDF?
Another reason why I ask is because the Lee Valley clamping set specifies that the table should be 3/4 inch thick....its possible I'm confused so I apologize for the question if it does not make sense.

I want to buy this clamping set from Lee Valley Tools and I'm worried that it will not be compatible with plans that call for 1/2 inch thick MDF?  If I modify the plans and use 3/4 inch MDF will it be ok?  I understand that it will be heavier....

Here is the set I'm referring to.

http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/Page.aspx?p=70681&cat=1,71990

Please confirm either way.

Thanks :)
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #261 on: December 03, 2014, 06:31 PM »
Rob,

Welcome to FOG.  I'm also a relative newcomer, but I did just complete the MFTC and used 3/4" MDF for the top.  It works fine, just a little heavier.  I think Tim stated in a prior post that it was simply a weight issue.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #262 on: January 03, 2015, 02:46 PM »
Hello there,
 paid by Pay-Pal there has 03/01/2015, I still have not received anything!
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #263 on: January 03, 2015, 03:18 PM »
Perhaps this is something for you Timtool > http://www.woothemes.com/woocommerce/

Fairly easy to set up (free) webshop software which supports digital downloads as products and PayPal out of the box...might save you some hassle manually sending out all the files!

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #264 on: January 11, 2015, 06:30 PM »
Anyone from Norway that have built the MFTC ?
I bought the plans a few days ago but are having problem finding the hardware, especially the T-tracks. Shipping from US or UK  makes them very expensive, so i'm trying to find them closer to home.

Any suggestions to where i can find reasonable priced t-tracks and Accuride 3832TR 350mm / 14" for the drawers?
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #265 on: January 11, 2015, 07:01 PM »
Anyone from Norway that have built the MFTC ?
I bought the plans a few days ago but are having problem finding the hardware, especially the T-tracks. Shipping from US or UK  makes them very expensive, so i'm trying to find them closer to home.

Any suggestions to where i can find reasonable priced t-tracks and Accuride 3832TR 350mm / 14" for the drawers?
(Shipped to Norway)

This seller seems to have a lot of choices but I didn't see the 350mm one. Here is a link to the 450mm one:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/SLIDE-TOUCH-RELEASE-450MM-Price/dp/B008RF7U6M/ref=sr_1_10?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1421020666&sr=1-10&keywords=DZ3832-

They are £29.71 for a PAIR with free UK delivery. I don't know if that's a good price, nor do I know what shipping to Norway would add, but maybe it's an option for you? If it seems like a good start I'd contact them about getting the exact ones that you want. I assume there would be some quantity discount as well?
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #266 on: January 12, 2015, 02:45 AM »
Bought mine t-tracks from Fine-tools.com, they are based in Germany .

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #267 on: January 12, 2015, 10:07 AM »
Anyone from Norway that have built the MFTC ?
I bought the plans a few days ago but are having problem finding the hardware, especially the T-tracks. Shipping from US or UK  makes them very expensive, so i'm trying to find them closer to home.

Any suggestions to where i can find reasonable priced t-tracks and Accuride 3832TR 350mm / 14" for the drawers?
(Shipped to Norway)

Closest to you would be in Gothenburg I think, http://www.woodworking.se/index.php

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #268 on: January 18, 2015, 06:13 PM »
Well, I finally finished my version of Tim's Cart.  So far, this thing is working very well...

210973-0

I modified Tim's excellent cart design to focus around the TS55 Saw.

210975-1

Each drawer is focused on providing access to tools and jigs used during sawing operations; clamping, marking and measuring, rail guides, and the saw itself.

210981-2

The top drawer has a foam-fitted array of my most-used clamps and my tape measure.  I will add compartments for fasteners in a few...

210983-3

Close-up of the top drawer....

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The Veritas Clamping Kit is the BOMB!

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I think I am going to make a separate insert for the rail guide - I don't like this one; there is wasted space here...

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The Saw fits neatly at the bottom...

210991-7

The bottom drawer is custom-fitted to hold a sliding tool rack and a french cleat tool rack with an attached magnetic rack from ace hardware, of all places...

210993-8

Here is the full setup, great for cutting and minor hand tool work.  Thanks to Tim for his excellent design! 

To all: follow his directions exactly, there is little tolerance for error.  The only thing I would change is the top cutout - it lets dust into my top drawer and I need to design a fix...I should have caught this issue when I made my modifications.  Every mod you make needs to be well thought-out.
« Last Edit: January 18, 2015, 07:28 PM by Mitchewd »

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #269 on: January 18, 2015, 06:30 PM »
Really nice and thought out.
There are no mistakes....just new designs.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #270 on: January 18, 2015, 10:07 PM »
My MFTC is almost done, still have to decide about systainers or drawers. I set it up for systainers but I only have 4 and they are for tools that won't go out on jobs most of the time. I followed Tim's instructions as close as possible (great instructions) but had to make a couple small mods as I couldn't find the exact parts he used. I will probably use this one as a prototype and give it away when I build another one. Now that I know the relationship between the parts It will be easier to change a couple things. Like others I was tempted to go 3/4" on the top but since Tim has been using it for awhile I figured he would have changed it if it didn't work. Until I use it I won't know if I want it bigger or heavier. Still don't know what the drawers or systainers will weigh when added and filled. I have about $100 in the metal things and maybe $40 in wood. I had all the wood laying here in leftovers so don't really know exact price. I got the wheels at Harbor freight  $7.50,  slides at CS Hardware $9 and the t-track at peachtree $55.  I will post pictures when I get the drawers in. If you build one I suggest having all the hardware in hand before starting so you can modify as needed without re-doing something.
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MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #271 on: January 20, 2015, 09:21 PM »
Can someone show a pic of the "drawer" bottoms? Are you routing/cutting out provisions for the feet for the T-Loc style? What keeps the systainers from sliding forward?
« Last Edit: January 20, 2015, 11:25 PM by Scorpion »

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #272 on: January 22, 2015, 09:57 PM »
There are four rectangular holes that match the feet on the systainers.  It's all in Tims plans  well worth the money.  (About $10)
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Offline Mitchewd

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #273 on: January 22, 2015, 10:12 PM »
Pretty simple, really.  Tim's plans are spot-on and worth the buy.  There are 50 pages of detailed drawings and step-by step instructions.


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« Reply #274 on: January 22, 2015, 10:28 PM »
There are four rectangular holes that match the feet on the systainers.  It's all in Tims plans  well worth the money.  (About $10)

My curiosity led me to ask the question. 

I've probably read this thread a dozen times and inspected everyone's work in it twice that.  I've enjoyed his website too. Very impressive. Plans ordered, I'm building one!

On more question? Was the MFTC XL ever completed?
« Last Edit: January 23, 2015, 08:53 AM by Scorpion »

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #275 on: January 28, 2015, 10:33 AM »
Here's my version of the MFTC. I didn't need to exit my basement so I put small caster wheels. Since my "workshop" is 6' X 6', I needed something really small when not needed. It's made exclusively out of baltic birch. Somebody from another woodworking forum CNC'd me the top with a t-track slot so I can put a fence (see third picture). I still need to do the finish (I'm open to suggestions), add slides for more systainers and add the shelf underneath to put tools.







Offline Mitchewd

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #276 on: January 31, 2015, 10:19 PM »
Excellent work!  That looks very clean; try a plain Danish oil for finish.  A couple coats will give it a warm glow and still be a workable surface.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #277 on: February 17, 2015, 11:41 PM »
Does anyone know of a source for a good set of leveling feet? I cannot find anything like what the plans describe from my usual sources in Canada.

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« Reply #278 on: February 18, 2015, 05:02 AM »
Does anyone know of a source for a good set of leveling feet? I cannot find anything like what the plans describe from my usual sources in Canada.

I also could not find any feet, so I simply used 4 x M20 bolts and nuts.  I drilled a 22mm hole into the bottom of the feet and then carefully freehand routed a recess for the nut and glued it into place.  The bolt new simply screw up and down in the nut.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #279 on: February 18, 2015, 06:19 AM »
wow 6'x6' is very small. I assume you only store the tools in there.
you must have some nice storage ideas
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #280 on: February 19, 2015, 07:42 AM »
My only concern with using bolts is with scratching floors. I would need to cover these with rubber or plastic as well.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #281 on: February 19, 2015, 07:46 AM »
My only concern with using bolts is with scratching floors. I would need to cover these with rubber or plastic as well.

Correct.  I am using mine only in the garage at this stage so it does not bother me, but I did get some square plastic "cups" that is used for furniture feet to prevent scratching.  Unfortunately I could not find hexagonal cups.

But an even better solution would be a soft rubber covering.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #282 on: February 19, 2015, 07:50 AM »
My only concern with using bolts is with scratching floors. I would need to cover these with rubber or plastic as well.

You could use adjustable furniture glides
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #283 on: February 26, 2015, 01:49 PM »
For adjustable feet, I used plastic leveler glides from Rockler http://www.rockler.com/plastic-leveler-glides screwed into 5/16" threaded inserts http://www.rockler.com/steel-threaded-inserts-select-size

Since I use thes plastic leveler glides for a lot of projects where I need adjustable feet, I also bought the 5/16" installation tool for the threaded inserts http://www.rockler.com/power-drive-threaded-insert-tool-power-drive-threaded-insert-tool


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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #284 on: February 26, 2015, 02:00 PM »
For adjustable feet, I used plastic leveler glides from Rockler http://www.rockler.com/plastic-leveler-glides screwed into 5/16" threaded inserts http://www.rockler.com/steel-threaded-inserts-select-size

Since I use thes plastic leveler glides for a lot of projects where I need adjustable feet, I also bought the 5/16" installation tool for the threaded inserts http://www.rockler.com/power-drive-threaded-insert-tool-power-drive-threaded-insert-tool

Are these glides adjustable from underneath? Do they have a weight rating? (I couldn't find a weight limit on Rockler's site.)

I am looking for adjustable feet to install in a planned cabinet on which I would set my MFT. The cabinet would have completely retractable casters (Rockler) and could be lowered onto its "feet" to plant it solidly in place. However the cabinet would have drawers and other storage for some of my Festools in systainers, so I imagine the weight would be significant.
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #285 on: February 26, 2015, 02:27 PM »
For adjustable feet, I used plastic leveler glides from Rockler http://www.rockler.com/plastic-leveler-glides screwed into 5/16" threaded inserts http://www.rockler.com/steel-threaded-inserts-select-size

Since I use thes plastic leveler glides for a lot of projects where I need adjustable feet, I also bought the 5/16" installation tool for the threaded inserts http://www.rockler.com/power-drive-threaded-insert-tool-power-drive-threaded-insert-tool

Are these glides adjustable from underneath? Do they have a weight rating? (I couldn't find a weight limit on Rockler's site.)

I am looking for adjustable feet to install in a planned cabinet on which I would set my MFT. The cabinet would have completely retractable casters (Rockler) and could be lowered onto its "feet" to plant it solidly in place. However the cabinet would have drawers and other storage for some of my Festools in systainers, so I imagine the weight would be significant.

Imagine using a 5/16" bolt for a foot. To adjust it you simply screw it in or out. These glides are just like that, except they have a round plastic end instead of a bolt head. I don't know what their weight rating would be, but I use them for a lot of things, some of which I stand on (I weigh about 250 lbs.)
If I was really concerned about holding up a very, very heavy cabinet, I would use these Heavy Duty Glides from Lee Valley: http://www.leevalley.com/US/Hardware/page.aspx?p=71902&cat=3,40993,41283&ap=1 (they are rated at 330 lb. per glide)

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #286 on: February 26, 2015, 04:19 PM »
For adjustable feet, I used plastic leveler glides from Rockler http://www.rockler.com/plastic-leveler-glides screwed into 5/16" threaded inserts http://www.rockler.com/steel-threaded-inserts-select-size

Since I use thes plastic leveler glides for a lot of projects where I need adjustable feet, I also bought the 5/16" installation tool for the threaded inserts http://www.rockler.com/power-drive-threaded-insert-tool-power-drive-threaded-insert-tool

Seems like those woudl be a good option since I could mount them on the outside of the cabinet near each corner and they would be more easily reachable for adjustment. I assume the Rockler version are meant to be installed underneath in each corner.
Are these glides adjustable from underneath? Do they have a weight rating? (I couldn't find a weight limit on Rockler's site.)

I am looking for adjustable feet to install in a planned cabinet on which I would set my MFT. The cabinet would have completely retractable casters (Rockler) and could be lowered onto its "feet" to plant it solidly in place. However the cabinet would have drawers and other storage for some of my Festools in systainers, so I imagine the weight would be significant.

Imagine using a 5/16" bolt for a foot. To adjust it you simply screw it in or out. These glides are just like that, except they have a round plastic end instead of a bolt head. I don't know what their weight rating would be, but I use them for a lot of things, some of which I stand on (I weigh about 250 lbs.)
If I was really concerned about holding up a very, very heavy cabinet, I would use these Heavy Duty Glides from Lee Valley: http://www.leevalley.com/US/Hardware/page.aspx?p=71902&cat=3,40993,41283&ap=1 (they are rated at 330 lb. per glide)
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #287 on: March 07, 2015, 09:41 AM »
I think this MFTC portable workshop is a perfect design! I purchased the plans and started to build one last year, but had to stop in the middle to get back to other projects and responsibilities. I had some drawer slides for it, but I just ordered some "Touch and Release" drawer slides for it based on the recommendations made in this thread. I plan to get back to it and finish it soon! Meanwhile, you can get a glimpse of my partially completed MFTC at the end of this short video: (It is just behind, and to the right of my Kapex at the very end of the video)

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« Reply #288 on: March 07, 2015, 10:03 AM »
Bob, nice little video!!! 

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« Reply #289 on: March 07, 2015, 01:52 PM »
<snip>you can get a glimpse of my partially completed MFTC at the end of this short video...

Great production, but I don't recognize anybody in the credits...

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Offline Greg M

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #290 on: March 07, 2015, 02:44 PM »
I found this thread a few days ago and ordered my plans today.  Just waiting for them to show up so I can make my shopping list!  I'll also have to reread this thread to find out what parts and suppliers people are using.

I haven't seen the plans yet but has anyone used the sys drawers?  Seems to me that those would save a little bit of weight.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #291 on: March 25, 2015, 08:27 PM »
Here's some parts that I found at a very good price.

T-track
http://www.orangealuminum.com/t-slot-framing-systems-and-tracks/t-track.html

I just got some of this track and Festool clamps do work with it.  I bought extra track because it was cheap and shipping costs didn't change much.
6 - 4ft pieces shipped from coast to coast for $58.63

Slides
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These 14" push to open full extension slides work very well.  I just installed them and I'm pleased with how they work.  I can't tell you how they hold up over time but they look well made.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #292 on: April 25, 2015, 06:13 AM »
Hi Tim i thought i would post this in here.  It looks like an ebay seller is selling what looks like your plans of the MFT cart as his own.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Festool-MFT-Homemade-Cart-/221739552772?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item33a0b51004

Also a warning to any other members who find it on ebay.
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Offline c_dwyer

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #293 on: April 25, 2015, 07:52 AM »
The chap was even nice enough to include a picture of himself via the reflection in the computer screen. Well done indeed…..

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #294 on: April 25, 2015, 07:57 AM »
I'm glad this thread came back up...even just to report nefarious copyright ripoff (Like Ted's Woodworking Plans)

I had forgotten about this build, and had lost the brain cells that were supposed to make me remember to get the plans....and so to offset the ebay ripoff, I just ordered and received the combo plans from Tim's site....LEGALLY! AWESOME Plans and Instructions!

Thanks Tim! [big grin]

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #295 on: April 25, 2015, 08:04 AM »
I clicked the "ask the seller a question" link but it doesn't show up on the public ebay page.
Others may want to remind this guy that he's busted too.

This is what I asked him:

Dear zacluvin76,

Aren't these plans stolen from Tim Wilmots who spent a year optimizing the design?

http://www.benchworks.be/mftc.html

????????????

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #296 on: April 25, 2015, 08:19 AM »
I just reported copyright violation to eBay. The listing is also on the USA eBay site:

MFTC eBay USA

Tim should follow up and screw this dude. The amount of woodworking plan ripoffs is getting really really bad. The "Ted's Woodworking Plans" ripoff is still showing up on many sites and YouTube all the time. All of us should proactively go after these rips and support those who have put the pain and effort into producing the originals.

Cheers,

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #297 on: April 25, 2015, 08:51 AM »
I just reported copyright violation to eBay. The listing is also on the USA eBay site:

I've done the same and encourage others to do so too. Shocking violation of Tim's intellectual property.
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #298 on: April 25, 2015, 09:06 AM »
I just reported copyright violation to eBay. The listing is also on the USA eBay site:


Just reported it as well . little sh*t.
Dave

I've done the same and encourage others to do so too. Shocking violation of Tim's intellectual property.
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Offline Davej

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #299 on: April 25, 2015, 01:09 PM »
I messaged the seller and got a reply saying he hadn't stolen the plans (  I never accused him of theft just said they were very similar to Tim's) and as he had made some minor modifications to suit his needs he seems to regard them as his . If not theft then it's blatant plagiarism.
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #300 on: April 25, 2015, 01:55 PM »
The only option for him if indeed he changed a couple of things (which you really can't see in the really bad screed picture, and he doesn't know how to take a screen shot or screen grab) is to sell changes ONLY to Tim's design. He can't use Tim's design package with an addendum and sell the whole thing as his.

He should refer to Tim's site to purchase the original plans and then he is perfectly within his rights to sell modifications to the design, but if the plan he's selling has any portions of Tim's work incorporated, he is violating copyright laws... at least in the USA.

What he's saying if I read his response right, is that if he were to change the size of the screws, then he can sell it as a modified system. WRONG!

Dave,
Get back with the guy and tell him to register here on FOG and ask the MANY Festool users if we think his plans are so significantly different from Tim's that he isn't violating intellectual property rights.  He can present his case and we'll poll the judgements!

Cheers,
Frank
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Offline John Beauchamp

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #301 on: April 25, 2015, 02:31 PM »
I bought Tim's plans and built an MFTC,  also the systainer top, very good plans and a fair price. I don't think Tim filed for a copyright , so I don't think this fellow has done anything illegal. There is probably not enough money involved to make it worth pursuing anyway. I will continue to support Tim if he has anymore good ideas and suggest you all do the same. If I was looking for something like this it wouldn't be on e-bay anyway. Copyrights and patents involve lawyers and big money, I doubt there is enough involved here to bother.
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Offline SittingElf

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #302 on: April 25, 2015, 02:52 PM »
I bought Tim's plans and built an MFTC,  also the systainer top, very good plans and a fair price. I don't think Tim filed for a copyright , so I don't think this fellow has done anything illegal. There is probably not enough money involved to make it worth pursuing anyway. I will continue to support Tim if he has anymore good ideas and suggest you all do the same. If I was looking for something like this it wouldn't be on e-bay anyway. Copyrights and patents involve lawyers and big money, I doubt there is enough involved here to bother.

Don't need a lawyer, all eBay needs is proof that the item for sale is intellectual property of another. That can be proved by simply going to Tim's website...and that's what I referred eBay to in the report.   You do not have to file for copyright to be protected. The only difference is what level of damages you can claim in a court if you don't fully register. Intellectual property is legally the originators regardless of official copyright registration. He can only have it removed, but couldn't claim damages unless he had formally filed.

This is the same as Photography copyrights of which I am VERY familiar.  Same story, and same rules. The fact is that the individual selling those plans on eBay is STEALING money from Tim. PERIOD!  Taking food out of TIM'S family's mouth.  If what you said was true, the there is absolutely NO incentive to create and market if others can simply steal your work and make a profit because you didn't officially file a copyright with the government.

I am all over this because I have had the same issues with some of my photography in the past. Pictures that I took suddenly appeared on websites and stock photo houses.  Since then I have religiously filed full copyrights on all my photos, because all I was able to do previously was have them removed and publication stopped. Very little damages. That is now not the case, and anyone who uses my photography without authority will end up paying dearly.

my  [2cents]

Cheers,

Frank
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #303 on: April 25, 2015, 02:54 PM »
We aren't the judge and jury here.  Tim should contact the seller directly and Tim should file the complaint with eBay.

To be clear I do not support theft in any way of property, intellectual or other.  Every day I can go out and see thousands of illegal downloads of my wife's books on sharing sites all over the world.  When notified of the situation the normal response is "We are not subject to US copyright laws.  That is why we are based in ________."

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Offline Davej

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #304 on: April 25, 2015, 03:08 PM »
We aren't the judge and jury here.  Tim should contact the seller directly and Tim should file the complaint with eBay.

To be clear I do not support theft in any way of property, intellectual or other.  Every day I can go out and see thousands of illegal downloads of my wife's books on sharing sites all over the world.  When notified of the situation the normal response is "We are not subject to US copyright laws.  That is why we are based in ________."

Peter


I agree we are not judge and jury. But my issue is the seller as good as admits  they are Tims plans but because he made some minor adjustment to suit his needs he is selling them as his own and that's wrong on any level..
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Offline teocaf

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #305 on: April 25, 2015, 05:33 PM »
looks like the guy has just listed another big set woodworking plans for sale on the uk site that has some name on the bottom right along with a 2004 copyright notice on the bottom left.  could not make out the specific names because enlarging the image gets too fuzzy.  does anybody here recognize this set?--what are the odds those are his to sell ?!?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221739518308

UPDATE:  A few searches using what's visible in the listing shows that these are plans cobbled together from copyrighted sources and have been sold by various people over a number of years.  Other sources on the net show clearer pics of same cover page (the bottom left says copyright 2004 Martian Auctions and the bottom right says Nigmae.net Team).  There are also ties to the infamous Ted's woodworking plans, etc.  It's apparent to me from what I'm seeing so far that this guy is trying to emulate that model of selling others' plans.
« Last Edit: April 25, 2015, 09:09 PM by teocaf »

Offline bkharman

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #306 on: April 25, 2015, 09:22 PM »
So I might come off as a jerk on this one but honestly... Who cares?!?! 

eBay and other sites have a TON of shady people doing shady things. I rarely buy stuff there anymore because what once was a great resource for me to find original a auto parts has turned into a flea market for all sorts of rubbish that some pay way too much for.

I have all of the plans Tim sells. I paid for them and have used a great number of them (more than once!). Most recently I have replicated his clamp rack for my own purpose and showed it on the FOG.

You do know Tim lives in another country right?  I seriously doubt that this issue is taking money out of his pocket or impacting him in the least. Truth is that a lot of his sales come from this site and others like it. I highly doubt this chav on eBay is making a ton of money on this and other things he has up there.

You all did the right thing to report it if you feel the need and if you think he is being nefarious. I honestly doubt it will go anywhere. I also don't feel like we should get the village together with our pitchforks and torches to head up to Dr. Frankenstein's castle... Oh wait... That is a different story all together. Now isn't it?

:)

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #307 on: April 26, 2015, 06:52 AM »
Hi Guys, thanks for the concern! In the past 10 days i have gotten mails from plenty of people telling me about this. As it's on ebay UK i can't even load the page of find/contact the seller from here in Belgium. The content is blocked for my country.
I have contacted ebay UK and they were kind of helpful but they won't do anything unless i do some kind of rights registration with them which i can't be bothered with atm.

I have always kind of trusted the WW community and it seems to work, as soon as someone does something concerning my plans there is always someone that spots it and contacts me. Often it's people selling finished MFTC workbenches and i have no problem at all with that.

In this case i don't really know what the person is doing, if he is only even using one piece of text or image from my plans then it would be theft. He is free to make changes and sell those separately. I think he even contacted me some time ago because he made improvements and wanted to share them. I offered to post them on my website openly.

Now it seems he sells my plans with some changes and tripled the price, looks like he is way to hungry. It even looks like he hasn't gotten a business or VAT number, would this not be technically undeclared work? I do this all officially and pay about 10% paypal fees, 21% VAT and then 30-40% taxes on what remains...
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Offline Scorpion

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #308 on: April 26, 2015, 10:30 AM »
If you're willing to share you're ideas with the world you should expect others will utilize then for purposes that cover the spectrum including profit.  Some will do direct copies and others will improve on your ideas for the better.  I manufactured, and sold both customer direct and via e reseller model, for years in my past life.  I learned quickly that I had only a short time to profit on a unique idea.  The rule is profit quick, competition is coming.  The Internet has only allowed them to come more quickly. 

I personally appreciate your efforts and design.  I think it's amazing and purchased your plans to support your efforts and willingness to share.  That being said I chose to reverse engineer from pictures you've shared instead of using the plans for the challenge of it and I very much enjoyed it. 

Here's my opinion on your situation:  even if someone opened a MFTC store that sold everything from plans, to kits, and completed units, it was your idea and creative efforts that introduced the concept to the world.  Your willingness to share reinforces my (and many others) willingness to share which likely pays more than anyone can profit during attempts to do so.  Collaboration itself doesn't pay the bills but what you can do with collaboration can, many times over.

Offline SittingElf

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #309 on: April 26, 2015, 10:40 AM »
The simple tip-off of his eBay ad should instantly be that he took a iPhone picture of his computer screen that had an MFTC picture on it. If he was at all legitimate, he would have pictures of HIS build...if there even is one.

As for Scorpion's opinion above....may I respectfully counter:
So if I write a book and enjoy the fact that others will be reading it, but I expect to make at least a portion of my income from the books I write, then I should just ignore it if someone takes my book and writes a different ending in the last chapter, and then sells my entire book verbatim, except for the the changed ending in the last chapter?  Wouldn't hold up in any intellectual property court in the world!  That's what this guy is claiming he has done. Couple of changes, but sells the whole original plans with his "supposed" changes. Dirtbag!!

Frank
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #310 on: April 26, 2015, 11:37 AM »
And to add to what I wrote about the ripping off of my wife's books, my brother is an architect.  His drawings are his intellectual property.  The customer is actually paying to use those illustrations of his ideas ONE TIME.  It is amazing how many builders will attempt and even get away with using them multiple of times without paying for the permission to use them again.   ARGHHHHH.......

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Offline Scorpion

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #311 on: April 26, 2015, 01:46 PM »
Peter and Frank -

I do not disagree in the slightest with your comments and, for the record I never did enjoy having a novel idea converted to product only to have a better funded company outsource direct copies and send them overseas only to kill my margin causing inventory to sit idle in the shelf.

My stated opinion is how I learned to deal with the fact that others don't live by the same moral and ethical boundaries that serve as the guidelines to which I live and do business.  I've learned to accept that by publicly sharing I open myself to all of the upsides as well as the down. 

Simply put, (and using your analogy) I will read your book as you intended it to be read.  I may learn and grow from it and maybe someday write a book of my own based wholly or in part on the theme, delivery, concept, or story.  I (me personally) will never be the one to change the ending and put my name on it for profit though I may share with you and/or others that I liked it, hated it, and/or may have chosen to end it differently.

I'm not challenging any of you as to if the actions are right or wrong only if legal action isn't affordable or possible shall we view our cup half full or half empty?  Back to the shop.  ;)

Offline Tinker

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #312 on: April 27, 2015, 04:37 AM »
Many many moons ago, I bought a skid-stear loader and backhoe.  The backhoe was removable from four heavy tabs on the body frame of the power unit.  The loader bucket was suspended overhead while the backhoe was attached.  While discussing the machinery options, i asked if the backhoe could be mounted into the loader bucket tho, not only give more versatility, but to be safer for the operator.  "That has never been done" and "that sounds sort of crazy (probably meaning I was crazy)" and other such remarks either said or unsaid.

I got the machine home and called my fabricator/repairer/welder of damaged parts about my idea.  He stopped by my house on his way home or to anther job and we discussed my idea.  One of the things i liked about my friend, beyond his total knowledge of his trade and willingness to come out in any weather to get me back on the road ASAP, was his honesty.  I was forever coming up with ideas to expand the use of any piece of machinery i had bought.  He always shook his head and went into a series of remarks about my sanity, or more to the point, my lack thereof.  By the time he finished his tirade, he would have taken all the measurements he needed, transferred the information to a scrap of metal from tieback of his truck or on a fender or anything he found that he knew would still be with him by time he got back home.

Withing a couple of days, he called me back with the info that he had something constructed and I should bring it to his shop.  His shop was and empty spot in his back yard with room to park a machine that he might be in process of putting back together.  I towed my machine down to him the next morning.  I was expecting (foolish expectation) to leave my loader/backhoe with him to make fiinal measurements and fabrications.  But no, we hooked up his invention/my idea to the frame of the power unit and I was off and ready to work.  The whole thing went together perfectly with the first try.  My friend was uncanny in the way he could design in air and with a few hours of work come up with pieces that would fit perfectly.  I told him he should get  patent.  He was like me in that his designs were always in a large blueprint rolled out inside of his head.  He told me he would not waste his time with any patent as somebody, as soon as they saw what he had done would come yup with something better any how.  Within six months, a competitor to my machine came out with a backhoe mounted on the boom arms of the loader with a quick hitch arrangement far superior to what i had.  Now every body who is building skids tears are mounting backhoes and all sorts of equipment on the loader arms of their machines. 

I tried to show a pic, but no luck. I'm late as it is so don't have time to fiddle it out.
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Offline crazydave789

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #313 on: April 30, 2015, 07:31 PM »
just put tims plans up for sale but a little cheaper  [smile]

I saw the listing but I'd need to borrow one to build one.

Offline Holmz

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #314 on: May 02, 2015, 02:52 AM »
I just got the MFT3, which is sitting in a box in the living room.

I found the Bosch rail is available and am getting the MT-55. All the T-stud, nuts, etc are here to put the borsch/Mafell rail onto the MFT3.

So now I am at the point of considering the MF-TC as a movable solution as I doubt the Mrs will accept sawing in the living room, and I want to be able to wheel it out of the garage.

Does the MF-TC accept the MFT3?
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #315 on: June 01, 2015, 06:50 PM »
great project and I am well underway. My challenge now is to add the wheels. finding wheels is easy, but how do K attach them. I thought of glueing the axles to the wooden frame using the axle supports on the inside. I am just new to wheels and axles ;-) so if anyone could give me some tips preferably with some pictures that would be much appreciated.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #316 on: June 02, 2015, 01:54 AM »
http://www.bakfin.com/starlock/metric-capped-roundshaft.html


I used something like the above. Just hammer them on. Have been on for over a year now and my MFTC or  ( Trickie's Work Assembly Table as it has been renamed by guys I work with) gets a lot of use. No problems whatsoever. Just make sure the axle holes in your hardwood blocks are straight. I used meranti and they have held up very well. Good luck, the MFTC totally transformed the way I work.

Offline Neal W

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #317 on: June 02, 2015, 09:06 AM »
I started mine over the weekend.  Broke down the 1/2" ply and have the main box assembled.  I didn't cut the holes out of the box, as I failed to see a useful need to do so, other than aesthetics and possibly weight. 

Next up is to sand/prime/paint the box and then attach the carcass supports.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #318 on: June 03, 2015, 01:47 AM »
Neal, if you are planning on using your MFTC on site, i.e in and out of your van and in and out of homes, I strongly suggest removing as much material as possible. Even empty it is heavy and quite an awkward shape to carry if you need too. Even with decent wheels dragging it across an unmade front drive can be challenging. Have fun with the rest of the build. I really enjoyed the construction process and there is absolutely nothing I would change about it. It is a super design, Tim got it spot on.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #319 on: June 03, 2015, 10:17 AM »
Thanks for the input.  I'm pretty much a hobbyist, so it basically will go from my garage to the driveway and back to the garage. 

Just the box alone is heavy.  My big toe can now attest to that as I dropped it right on to the big toe last night when sanding it.   [eek]   [scared]  I'm walking a little funny today.
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #320 on: June 08, 2015, 01:47 PM »
Thought I'd share some progress pics - i didn't like how the Systainer "drawer" bottoms were turing out with drilling holes and using the Carvex so I made a template so I could route them instead.





Carvex was still used to complete the center cutout



It turned out to be many times faster and easily worked into the workflow.



The fit ended up snug (the feet actually just barely interfere enough I ever so slightly push it on.



I precut spacers so mounting the slides requires no thought.  Have spacers for the 1, 2, and 4 so far.



Drawer front is held on with a domino and glue.



Attached the slides and locked in place.





Assembled the second box



And added the drawers as well.  Wheels and feet are next.




Offline irishman

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #321 on: June 24, 2015, 12:52 PM »
Curious if anyone has adapted this system to use the SYS-Midi boxes?  Would be slightly wider, but by my estimation it would still fit through a standard doorway. 

Interested to hear.


Offline bub254

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #322 on: June 25, 2015, 12:59 PM »
Im wondering if i ordered the wrong plans.  I ordered the imperial version but i plan to use 12mm and 19mm baltic birch plywood, anyone know if the cut list will be off?  And for anyone thats made their own top, what 20mm bit did you use?  Thanks.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #323 on: June 25, 2015, 03:16 PM »
bub254  I used a 20mm  Woodriver bit from Woodcraft. I used my mft top for a jig and drilled down thru.  Tims plans are spot on if you use the exact same materials he did. I ran into three problem areas where my materials were different than his.  His t- track was 3/8 deep so it fit a groove in the 1/2 material used for the top outside. my t-tracks were deeper so it cut all the way thru the 1/2.   My wheels were put on with carriage bolts which interfered with the bottom drawer.
My top pivot bolts interfered with putting the lower shelf in the frame for transport. Hope this helps   
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #324 on: June 25, 2015, 05:07 PM »
Thanks, I figured he adjusted.the.cutting dimensions for 12mm vs 12.7 For half inch and such but that would probably result in some odd measurements.  cant wait to build this.  The woodriver bit was a router or drill bit?

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« Reply #325 on: June 25, 2015, 05:46 PM »
In the US version i used 12,7mm instead of 12, and 19 instead of 18. it's difficult to make this universal, in Germany by example i think they use 19mm where in other countries it's 18mm.

I would just suggest to keep the exterior dimensions of the main box right on plan, and from there on it's easier to eventually adapt some dimensions
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Offline Neal W

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #326 on: June 25, 2015, 09:29 PM »


I have made some progress on mine recently. 

Pics...
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Offline bub254

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #327 on: June 28, 2015, 08:25 PM »
Hey John, did you find that cutting all the way through 1/2" ply reduced the stability of the top or does it feel pretty solid?  I'm inclined to think if its glued properly and with the mdf screwed on it should be stable enough.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #328 on: June 28, 2015, 09:19 PM »
bub254-  When I found out it was going to cut all the way thru I changed it and just went 3/8 deep and left the t-track proud. I also made another top piece using different material but haven't put it on yet. I kind of figured I would build one  and find out all the problems then build another that fixed everything. I will probably give the first one away.
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #329 on: July 01, 2015, 07:48 PM »
Anybody find a t track that was only 10mm deep?  Everything I've seen is at least half inch.

Edit: I think I did.  Just need clarification on the wall thickness, but it looks like the festool quick clamps will fit.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007N72KSS?colid=RFL5UICVOTJ9&coliid=IDS0VR2J03B6H&ref_=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl

It seems like a reasonable price too.  About $32 shipped for an 8 ft and a 4ft track.
« Last Edit: July 01, 2015, 09:19 PM by bub254 »

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #330 on: July 09, 2015, 12:37 PM »
Clamps fit if you just touch them at the 90 With a grinder for one second.  Nice and smooth with no slop.  Shipping was not free but $17 ouch.  I imagine it would be the same for quite a bit a of track.  Overall im happy.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #331 on: August 01, 2015, 12:37 PM »
I recently finished my MFTC and wanted to share the pictures. Its built with baltic birch plywood and finished with the festool interior heavy oil.

« Last Edit: August 01, 2015, 04:32 PM by HausWorks »
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #332 on: August 01, 2015, 04:31 PM »
work pics >>>
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #333 on: August 01, 2015, 04:34 PM »
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #334 on: August 05, 2015, 08:27 AM »
Here is mine.

Made a mistake when cutting the top. Apparently I couldn't read the numbers on my tape and cut the top 100mm too short so I patched in a piece.  And apparently my skills of drilling a 90 degree hole through a layer of plywood and a 2x4 also leave a lot to be desired, as the wheels "toe-out" a bit.  It works, that's the main thing, and it is a huge improvement over what I used to use.


« Last Edit: August 05, 2015, 08:39 AM by Neal W »
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #335 on: September 02, 2015, 03:05 AM »
What kind of plywood is possible regarding the tolerances? Can i take cheap softwood plywood (pine, spruce) or is it neceassary to use classic birch or beech plywood?

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #336 on: September 02, 2015, 11:11 AM »
@HausWorks
I somehow missed seeing this earlier.  Nice job on the MFTC!  Thanks for sharing all the photos.

Where did you find the extra thick rubber tipped leg adjusters?

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I'm probably not the best person to answer your question since I haven't built one yet.  But when I do, I plan on using one of the birch or maple plys or Baltic Birch for looks and strength.

Mike A.


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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #337 on: September 02, 2015, 01:25 PM »
What kind of plywood is possible regarding the tolerances? Can i take cheap softwood plywood (pine, spruce) or is it neceassary to use classic birch or beech plywood?

You are going to spend a fair amount of time building this, so you should consider the work / material cost ratio… My feeling is that you will regret using ‘cheap’ plywood once you finish. (Except if you are doing this as a learning project where the first, or even second build will be prototypes.)
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #338 on: September 02, 2015, 10:04 PM »
Thanks @mike_aa.  those adjustable feet are home made from 1/2" bolts and threaded rod couplers. The pads are 2 layers of 3/4 Baltic birch that I machined to accept the 1/2" bolt head.
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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #339 on: October 05, 2015, 08:00 AM »
Well its finally starting to look like a mftc with stair walking wheels

Still a bit more to do

Cheers

Bryan

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #340 on: October 05, 2015, 10:00 AM »
Well its finally starting to look like a mftc with stair walking wheels

Still a bit more to do

Cheers

Bryan

That's a great idea with the stair walking wheels. I had never seen those. They are a little pricey, but if you are in a place where you have to go up flights of stairs regularly, it would be worth the added expense. 

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #341 on: October 05, 2015, 12:30 PM »
Bryan,
Nice job so far.  It's looking great.  I also like the wheels.

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #342 on: October 12, 2015, 04:18 PM »
If anyone is looking for the canmar legs, I just found a source in the US, National Builders Hardware in Portland, OR

canmar 345 legs

I've been working on my own MFTC and am unhappy with the 1/4" legs with t-nuts that I used. When looking for a Canmar source in Canada I stumbled on these at NBH. I called to check on shipping and struck out but did find they had over 400 of them and at what seems to be a great price.

Now I just need to find a source for t-track with free shipping (I live in a small town on the coast) or head down to City to buy some...

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #343 on: November 15, 2015, 02:07 AM »
Well did a bit more work on the mftc cart for the festool sys over the week end and I'm going to give a go tomorrow

It still needs some tweeking but I'm prity happy with it so   far here are a few picks
« Last Edit: January 16, 2016, 04:00 AM by bryan1982 »

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Re: MFTC portable workshop
« Reply #344 on: December 02, 2015, 04:52 PM »
Would love to see some detail on those push locks, not really sure how those work.
They are simple cheap drawer push locks, this was one of the great challenges of keeping the drawers closed while moving it around. And it was only when i mentioned my problem to a hardware salesman that he pointed out to me they had these locks i never used before.
When you close the drawer the locks hook the drawer, and to open the drawer again you have to give it a little inward push and the lock springs open.
Similar to the mechanism of a ballpoint pen!


Hopefully I won't get barred from the Festool group for mentioning the name DeWalt, but I built my workbench around my Dewalt storage units, which have built-in drawers, so no need for extra drawer slides and locks. In order to keep the drawer units from sliding out, I made the shelf so that it slides into the carcass. I'll attach a few photos to show what I'm talking about.

I will also add, don't use Home Depot plywood for this! Spent the extra cash on baltic birch. The bottom of mine has already