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Offline VW MICK

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #90 on: July 27, 2014, 09:37 AM »
Hey your just showing off your egg

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Offline Oso Rojo

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #91 on: July 28, 2014, 12:21 AM »
Nice setup. How did you connect the rails to the Dewalt guide?

Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #92 on: July 28, 2014, 12:32 AM »
Nice setup. How did you connect the rails to the Dewalt guide?

Thanks. Made some T-nuts from 1/4" AL bar w/ hole tapped 5/16", they fit in the slot of the Dewalt horse.

RMW
As of 10/17 I am out of the Dog business and pursuing other distractions. Thanks for a fun ride!

Offline Tinker

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #93 on: July 28, 2014, 07:46 AM »

I spent the last couple days staring at my MFT, which has been covered with grill racks and accessories for the past couple weeks. Came to the realization that it takes up a lot of SF (nearly 9 of < 120) and I have not actually cut anything on it recently. Now I am noodling a hybrid, something that is only 20" deep with a top that expands.

Yes, the erector set does become addicting. [doh]

RMW

I have been toying with same idea for my shop.  I have a floorspace of 9-1/2 feet by about 18 feet. One wall has my lumber rack so about 1-1/2 of floor space and wall space for tools is lost.  I am coming to the conclusion that my MFT's take up a lot of working around space.  I have been watching this conversation with a lot of interest along with a couple of others threads discussing variations to Ron Paulk's design.

RMW's idea for integrating DW rail and 80/20 really rang my bell.  The same idea could be used to extend my further replacement of MFT as well as moving outside to my 1/2 acre shop for projects that are too big for inside my shop.  Even if I have space horizontally to build inside, my ceiling is less than 6'8" high.  A set of shelves or a cabinet of any size are almost impossible to construct the way I am presently set up.

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Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #94 on: July 28, 2014, 08:50 AM »
While I love my MFT and have a lot invested in dogs, etc. I am realizing it gets used for cutting only infrequently. Anytime I am cutting plywood I default to the 80/20 extensions with parallel guides for ripping, and this t-square-ish guide for cross cutting:

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Sometime after the first photos were taken I modified it by adding a section of Incra T-Track + with an adjustable stop, this lets me set repeatable panel lengths between about 9.5" and 24". Anything longer I just measure/mark and align the splinter guard.

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My current weekend project is a weatherproof storage area under the deck off the house, it gives me about 7' wide by 9' long, 36" high storage for materials and some tools. Basically built a very short shed under the deck. When completed next weekend I suspect my MFT will be calling it home, then I can figure out what to replace it with inside the shop.

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Offline promark747

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #95 on: July 27, 2016, 02:00 PM »
Nice setup. How did you connect the rails to the Dewalt guide?

Thanks. Made some T-nuts from 1/4" AL bar w/ hole tapped 5/16", they fit in the slot of the Dewalt horse.

RMW

When you have a chance, can you please take a pic of those T-nuts?

Thanks

Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #96 on: July 27, 2016, 03:25 PM »
Nice setup. How did you connect the rails to the Dewalt guide?

Thanks. Made some T-nuts from 1/4" AL bar w/ hole tapped 5/16", they fit in the slot of the Dewalt horse.

RMW

When you have a chance, can you please take a pic of those T-nuts?

Thanks

@promark747

I'll see if I can find them, they were basically just 1-1/2" squares of 1/4" AL with a 5/16" hole centered and tapped. I think I ground a slight bevel on 2 edges to match the underside bevel on the DeWalt horses.

Needed to cut some ply recently and I almost dug them out but instead used those 80/20 extension arms on the MFT to create a surface for cutting full sheets down.

RMW
As of 10/17 I am out of the Dog business and pursuing other distractions. Thanks for a fun ride!

Offline ben_r_

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #97 on: April 25, 2017, 05:09 PM »
Some great ideas in this thread!
If at first you don't succeed, redefine success!

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #98 on: May 22, 2017, 09:53 PM »
This is only thing I'm using 80/20 for in my shop right now....  [cool]


Offline ryanjg117

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #99 on: May 17, 2018, 07:45 PM »
Figured you 80/20 fans would like this one:
http://festoolownersgroup.com/workshops-and-mobile-vehicle-based-shops/repurposed-a-$10-000-custom-solar-panel-conveyor-into-tablesaw-outfeed-table/

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #100 on: May 18, 2018, 12:02 PM »
Figured you 80/20 fans would like this one:
http://festoolownersgroup.com/workshops-and-mobile-vehicle-based-shops/repurposed-a-$10-000-custom-solar-panel-conveyor-into-tablesaw-outfeed-table/
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Offline ryanjg117

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #101 on: May 18, 2018, 09:55 PM »
This is only thing I'm using 80/20 for in my shop right now....  [cool]


@fritter63 Is that a CNCRouterParts purchase or custom made? I’m thinking about making my own since I’ve got some of the parts I’ll need, but it’s a very long term project.

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #102 on: September 19, 2018, 12:15 PM »
This is only thing I'm using 80/20 for in my shop right now....  [cool]


@fritter63 Is that a CNCRouterParts purchase or custom made? I’m thinking about making my own since I’ve got some of the parts I’ll need, but it’s a very long term project.

Sorry, I JUST saw this!

Yes, it's a kit from CNCRouterParts. Awesome machine. Search youtube for "the modern luthier" to see my channel showing it in use.

Offline supimeister

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #103 on: February 19, 2019, 08:52 PM »
Seeing as this is my all-time favorite thread on all things 80/20, I thought I would share a bit of my recent research.

Manor Wood has several great videos showing his incredible aluminum extrusion miter saw stand and aluminum extrusion mft inspired cutting table.



He also has a video highlighting RUWI's new stop rails that are now adaptable for the MFT/3 and lifting tables akin to the Felder FAT300.
RUWI product here - https://ruwi.de/en/produkte/festool-mft3-surface/
Video here -

In this video, beginning around 1:47, he highlights new RUWI dogs that quickly and easily clamp the extrusion to the bench.  I decided I NEEDED this product.

I believe Manor Wood's extrusion is identical to the 40 series from 80/20.  Unfortunately, this product does not exist on the RUWI site, but I did eventually find two sources for it:

https://www.sautershop.de/klemmbolzen-mit-klemmhebel-oe-20-mm-ru-27536?c=15539
I contacted them, and they do ship to the US, though shipping ain't cheap. 

Sautershop also offers a wide variety of other interesting RUWI products - https://www.sautershop.de/multifunktionstische/ruwi-multifunktionstisch/zubehoer-zum-spannen-saegen-bohren/schnellspanner-von-ruwi/

Felder also offers it here - https://us.feldershop.com/en-US/en-US/en-US/Workshop/Lifting-tables/Klemmbolzen-mit-Klemmhebel.html

I managed to get a ton of 80/20 15 series extrusion for cheap a long while ago, so even after all my digging to find that exact item, I don't think it will work for me, even though I really wish it would.  Bummer!  It would be a great addition to my 80/20 mft/3 cart -

However, I am waiting to hear back from @Ralph Mignano at Benchdogs UK, as I am hopeful that their fence dogs will effectively do the same thing in terms of allowing me to firmly attach my 15 series 80/20 extrusion to my mft.  https://benchdogs.co.uk/collections/frontpage/products/fence-dogs

I hope this helps anyone else in the US who likes Manor Wood's ideas and wants to further play around with them.  Anything that combines the mft/3 20mm layout with 80/20 always intrigues me, which includes basically everything @Richard/RMW posts haha
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Offline Sean KS

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #104 on: February 20, 2019, 10:38 AM »

Offline supimeister

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #105 on: February 20, 2019, 11:25 AM »
@Sean KS - that is a great idea, but I am a little hesitant to use any wedge based solution on my mft/3... won't that ruin the integrity of the 20mm hole diameter after a few uses?


Offline Sean KS

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #106 on: February 20, 2019, 11:34 AM »
@supimeister Oh yea for sure would ream the holes out, the RUWI clamps are designed with a wedge too, thought you were looking to get your hands on that product. I use fence dogs like the BenchDog UK ones, works great, ream free is the way to be.

Offline supimeister

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #107 on: February 20, 2019, 11:47 AM »
Ah, I guess I didn't even notice that.  Well, that about settles it with regards to using the UK option.  Thanks!

Offline tallgrass

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #108 on: February 20, 2019, 09:28 PM »
I have been using the RUWI products for some time. They are fantastic and I have not noticed any deformation in the MFT hole. You have control how much force they impart on the table and the fit is close to begin with so the loading is even across the hole diameter.  I have the RUWI products fully integrated in my MFT table system. I love it and the speed and versatility is wonderful.

Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #109 on: February 21, 2019, 02:25 PM »
RUWI sounds like a perfect addition to the expanding @TSO Products inventory...

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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #110 on: February 21, 2019, 02:54 PM »
@tallgrass   Where do you buy RUWI stuff?

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #111 on: February 21, 2019, 04:21 PM »
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Tobias was fantastic. Their service was top drawer. I bought a ton of stuff from them and they were excellent in all respects. There are links on the responses that Manor wood made in the RUWI MFT thread.

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #112 on: February 21, 2019, 08:22 PM »
RUWI sounds like a perfect addition to the expanding @TSO Products inventory...

 [poke] Hans/Eric

RMW
thanks for the pointer to the RUWI product line, Richard! We are taking note of the general interest in this particular functionality.
Keep the tips and pointers coming, please!

Hans and Eric
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Offline Cheese

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #113 on: February 21, 2019, 09:36 PM »
thanks for the pointer to the RUWI product line, Richard! We are taking note of the general interest in this particular functionality.
Keep the tips and pointers coming, please!

Hans...FWIW...I’ve also been looking at some of the RUWI products but have not yet pulled the pin. They manufacture some really interesting items. Perhaps some of those items you could synergistically embellish.  [big grin]

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #114 on: February 21, 2019, 10:24 PM »
@Cheese  - there is much more for us to do in the workholding area. RUWI's products are serious tools and aim at applications we also have in our sights. They've been on my list to talk to for too long - time to talk with them.
email me which of their items intrigues you if it's not germain to this FOG thread.

Hans
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Offline tallgrass

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #115 on: February 22, 2019, 01:38 AM »
TSO- you should definitely start dealing with RUWI. I have had their products integrated into my shop for some time. My R&D work covers quite a range of materials and machines and the flexibility that their product bring is truly usuful. Being able to buy them in the USA would be very nice. While Tobias is a great guy, I would prefer a shorter procurement scheme. 

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #116 on: February 22, 2019, 10:15 AM »
@tallgrass   It would be great if you could illustrate which RUWI things you find most useful and how you use them.

Offline Richard/RMW

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #117 on: February 22, 2019, 10:40 AM »
RUWI sounds like a perfect addition to the expanding @TSO Products inventory...

 [poke] Hans/Eric

RMW
thanks for the pointer to the RUWI product line, Richard! We are taking note of the general interest in this particular functionality.
Keep the tips and pointers coming, please!

Hans and Eric

Dibs on the first set of MFT/extrusion clamps.  [popcorn]

RMW
As of 10/17 I am out of the Dog business and pursuing other distractions. Thanks for a fun ride!

Offline Sean KS

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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #118 on: February 22, 2019, 10:45 AM »
https://www.kipp.com/gb/en/Products/Operating-parts-standard-elements/Clamping-devices/Eccentric-clamp-modules.html

Looks like some of the RUWI gear is available from Kipps standard parts catalogue.
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Re: More fun with 80/20...??
« Reply #119 on: February 22, 2019, 08:11 PM »
RUWI sounds like a perfect addition to the expanding @TSO Products inventory...

 [poke] Hans/Eric

RMW
thanks for the pointer to the RUWI product line, Richard! We are taking note of the general interest in this particular functionality.
Keep the tips and pointers coming, please!

Hans and Eric

Dibs on the first set of MFT/extrusion clamps.  [popcorn]

RMW

@RMA and @tallgrass  - can you provide specifics as to the functionality you are interested in so we know what to look for?
Which RUWI item(s) would you like to see available from TSO?

Hans
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