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FESTOOL DISCUSSIONS => Festool Jigs & Tool Enhancements => Topic started by: Richard/RMW on October 02, 2013, 10:40 PM

Title: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on October 02, 2013, 10:40 PM
I wanted to start a thread to share ideas on jig/fixtures made with 80/20 to work with Festool, hoping others will chime in with their ideas. Here goes:

This is the latest jig, it is designed to secure a FS guide rail for cutting mostly narrow stock. I have done something similar in the past on my MFT but it involved continuous set up/break down of the 80/20 extensions  as previously discussed on the FOG. (http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/has-anyone-built-gary-katz's-assembly-and-cutting-table/msg251758/#msg251758)

The downside of that approach was that I had to keep setting up/breaking down stuff secured to the MFT. The ideal setup was something used with or w/o the MFT to cut, in this case, narrow stock. What I came up with was a simple frame to (1) secure the FS rail, and (2) hold the stock while it was being cut. The pins just secure the rails with the Rip Dogs guide clips (no alignment), and the stock being cut rests on the MDF.

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When not in use it hangs on the wall. Above it are my FS rails and the pieces of the 80/20 cutting table.

What are you doing with 80/20 in your shop?

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Sean KS on October 03, 2013, 05:25 AM
A re-post, but the 80/20 linear bearings are really useful and within tolerance for woodworking. 80/20 mills really easily, this walnut puts more strain on my machines than any 80/20 gear. My next 80/20 project will be a sliding outrigger for my unisaw. For now it's being for jigss and subframes for my workbench. Looking forward to your next project Richard.

PS: can someone tell me if my photos all show up sideways? I do my
FOGing on my IPhone and they view sideways for me. Anyone?
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Jeff Zanin on October 03, 2013, 06:31 AM
Nice photos and they appear right side up.

Jeff
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: amt on October 03, 2013, 10:01 AM
I am curious if anyone has used 8020 in a similar way the the MFS is used.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: greg mann on October 03, 2013, 10:08 AM
Nice applications all. One of these days I am going to make a slider for my router table using 8020 and their bearings. It should be easy to include an outrigger that folds in and out of the way when not needed.

The problem with 8020 in place of the MFS is that slots are needed on the edge and you can only get that in thicker cross sections, meaning you are too high off your work.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on October 03, 2013, 10:49 AM
I am curious if anyone has used 8020 in a similar way the the MFS is used.

As Greg stated, the available 80/20 profiles with slots in the edge are too thick, I think the smallest is 25mm/1". You can find 20mm profiles elsewhere.

The best profiles I have found for routing are both from WoodPeckers. The larger profile is 0.70" thick and has the t-slot on the edge, the smaller profile is 0.50" thick but has no slot on the edge. In both cases I has the grind a hair off the edges of the Festool clamps before they would slide into the slots.

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Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: amt on October 03, 2013, 12:07 PM
That woodpecker super track looks promising.  I wonder if something could be made (or already exists?) to connect 4 tracks together, each 90 degrees off another, like the MFS.  I suppose a special nut and bolt would be needed.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Svar on October 03, 2013, 12:26 PM
I am curious if anyone has used 8020 in a similar way the the MFS is used.

As Greg stated, the available 80/20 profiles with slots in the edge are too thick, I think the smallest is 25mm/1". You can find 20mm profiles elsewhere.

The best profiles I have found for routing are both from WoodPeckers. The larger profile is 0.70" thick and has the t-slot on the edge, the smaller profile is 0.50" thick but has no slot on the edge. In both cases I has the grind a hair off the edges of the Festool clamps before they would slide into the slots.

RMW

You can get thin and wide profiles from Techno Inc.:
http://www.techno-isel.com/LMC/Extrusions/ (http://www.techno-isel.com/LMC/Extrusions/)

and from Bosch-Rexroth:
http://www.boschrexroth-us.com/country_units/america/united_states/sub_websites/brus_dcl/Products/Aluminum_Structural_Framing/a_catalog/mge_catalog_download/index.jsp (http://www.boschrexroth-us.com/country_units/america/united_states/sub_websites/brus_dcl/Products/Aluminum_Structural_Framing/a_catalog/mge_catalog_download/index.jsp)
Look at Profiles catalog.

Overall Bosch-Rexroth framing system is superior to 80/20 in terms of versatility and variety of components. Their linear motion goes from dry friction all the way to ball bearing on hardened steel shaft. There are components specific to workstations, workbenches and ergonomics.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: amt on October 03, 2013, 11:43 PM
With the anchor bolt fasteners, sounds like a similar method of joining at 90 degrees could be achieved.  Who knows, just maybe not at the precision of the MFS.  Wondering if I could find a anchor fastener to match the Woodpeckers Super Track.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Sean KS on October 11, 2013, 03:35 AM
In regards to the MFS application: look into Hafele Maxifix connectors I think they could be used quite easily to butt joint the extrusions (website says 19mm, they can go thinner if need be) with more user friendliness than the MFS. They use 35mm hinge mortising bits to install. So long you can nail the depth the idea should work.
www.hafele.com/us/products/maxifix-connector-bolt-hafele.asp (http://www.hafele.com/us/products/maxifix-connector-bolt-hafele.asp)
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on October 11, 2013, 09:17 AM
Svar - I really like some of those thinner profiles @ techno-isel.com, they look useful. I am too heavily invested in 80/20 1515 profile to switch to the Bosch, and 80/20 is easily available here on eBay.

Here is another setup used to extend the MFT for longer cuts. My little shop is 11'9" inside (@ widest) so there is no room for a permanent bench larger than the MFT. The work-around is this extension that attaches with 2 knobs/t-bolts. Height is adjustable so the extension arms (w/MDF) can be lowered to the same height as the MFT top.

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There is plenty of room to work between the MFT and the built in drawers, however you can just squeak by 8' material to get in/out the door.

After cross-cutting the arms are removed from the MFT, clearing it for other operations like mitering with the Rip Dogs, while leaving the extension on the MFT to use for routing/sanding/painting.

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When done the extensions knock down in 10 minutes and go back to their place on the wall, taking up very little storage area.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Rusty Miller on October 11, 2013, 12:59 PM
Good stuff Richard, as usual !!!

Rusty

Like the new avatar!
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on October 24, 2013, 10:25 PM
I have my own definition of Serendipity - "the act of doing something dumb and discovering something good from it".

After I had all 4 miter corners dominoed & glued and reached for clamps the realization dawned that the panel was longer than any of my clamps. Oops. Good thing the glue sets slow and there were lots of pieces of 80/20 sitting around.

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I hastily cut/drilled a few blocks of wood & attached them to the 80/20 about 1/8" closer to each other than the length of the long side rail. Used the clamps on the long sides to pull the mitered corners together, which forced the short sides outward against the blocks and closed the miters nicely. The second photo shows the open miter and the third photo shows it after being clamped and closed.

Lucked out again.

RMW

Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Slappy on October 25, 2013, 12:39 AM
is that " 10 " series 8020 ??

 where or what part # is those bolts ? or are those hardware store bought ?
 I have some 8020 #10  1 x 3 rails & some 1 x 1 rails coming but I'm not clear on the hardware to use 
 any suggestions would be great
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Sean KS on October 25, 2013, 02:28 AM
Bolts for t tracks can be anything. Those ones look like 80/20 gear but they could be anything. The important info for bolts is the selected length should be that of the material to be bolted plus 1/4" (20 series) to 1/8" (10 series) longer for the slot nut.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Sean KS on October 25, 2013, 02:30 AM
http://www.8020.net/Training-30.asp (http://www.8020.net/Training-30.asp)

This is a little demo video from 80/20, their training site has a few and they're pretty useful. Maybe these could be used to carry a vac hose overhead or even a tool tray like the one on Micheals famous boom arm.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on October 25, 2013, 07:44 AM
is that " 10 " series 8020 ??

 where or what part # is those bolts ? or are those hardware store bought ?
 I have some 8020 #10  1 x 3 rails & some 1 x 1 rails coming but I'm not clear on the hardware to use 
 any suggestions would be great

Slappy, those are 1515 (1.5") profiles. To give you a sense of scale the frame being clamped is 1.25" by 3.5" material just over 46" long. The cap screws are M8 probably 40mm long with tee nuts.

10 series uses M6 or 1/4" fasteners. 15 series is best with M8 or 5/16".

I have another panel to clamp up, this time I am going to use some wedges to let me adjust the clamping pressure. Will report back afterwards.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Michael Kellough on October 25, 2013, 11:20 AM
I have my own definition of Serendipity - "the act of doing something dumb and discovering something good from it".

After I had all 4 miter corners dominoed & glued and reached for clamps the realization dawned that the panel was longer than any of my clamps. Oops. Good thing the glue sets slow and there were lots of pieces of 80/20 sitting around.

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I hastily cut/drilled a few blocks of wood & attached them to the 80/20 about 1/8" closer to each other than the length of the long side rail. Used the clamps on the long sides to pull the mitered corners together, which forced the short sides outward against the blocks and closed the miters nicely. The second photo shows the open miter and the third photo shows it after being clamped and closed.

Lucked out again.

RMW

I like the Bessey band clamps but I plan to get or make some .Blokkz (http://toolguyd.com/blokkz-universal-clamping-blocks/)

(http://toolguyd.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Blokkz-Universal-Clamping-Block-Applications.jpg)
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on October 25, 2013, 11:37 AM
I have my own definition of Serendipity - "the act of doing something dumb and discovering something good from it".

After I had all 4 miter corners dominoed & glued and reached for clamps the realization dawned that the panel was longer than any of my clamps. Oops. Good thing the glue sets slow and there were lots of pieces of 80/20 sitting around.

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I hastily cut/drilled a few blocks of wood & attached them to the 80/20 about 1/8" closer to each other than the length of the long side rail. Used the clamps on the long sides to pull the mitered corners together, which forced the short sides outward against the blocks and closed the miters nicely. The second photo shows the open miter and the third photo shows it after being clamped and closed.

Lucked out again.

RMW

I like the Bessey band clamps but I plan to get or make some .Blokkz (http://toolguyd.com/blokkz-universal-clamping-blocks/)

(http://toolguyd.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Blokkz-Universal-Clamping-Block-Applications.jpg)

Michael, I have been thinking about the Blokkz also but they probably would not have worked in this case, I think the panel would prevent clamping them to the rails.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Slappy on October 25, 2013, 12:49 PM
is that " 10 " series 8020 ??

 where or what part # is those bolts ? or are those hardware store bought ?
 I have some 8020 #10  1 x 3 rails & some 1 x 1 rails coming but I'm not clear on the hardware to use 
 any suggestions would be great

Slappy, those are 1515 (1.5") profiles. To give you a sense of scale the frame being clamped is 1.25" by 3.5" material just over 46" long. The cap screws are M8 probably 40mm long with tee nuts.

10 series uses M6 or 1/4" fasteners. 15 series is best with M8 or 5/16".

I have another panel to clamp up, this time I am going to use some wedges to let me adjust the clamping pressure. Will report back afterwards.

RMW

Is there any way to use a bolt head , maybe a carriage bolt in the slot & have the bolt body extend out & then tighten with a nut OR a Knob ?? 
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on October 25, 2013, 02:22 PM
is that " 10 " series 8020 ??

 where or what part # is those bolts ? or are those hardware store bought ?
 I have some 8020 #10  1 x 3 rails & some 1 x 1 rails coming but I'm not clear on the hardware to use 
 any suggestions would be great

Slappy, those are 1515 (1.5") profiles. To give you a sense of scale the frame being clamped is 1.25" by 3.5" material just over 46" long. The cap screws are M8 probably 40mm long with tee nuts.

10 series uses M6 or 1/4" fasteners. 15 series is best with M8 or 5/16".

I have another panel to clamp up, this time I am going to use some wedges to let me adjust the clamping pressure. Will report back afterwards.

RMW

Is there any way to use a bolt head , maybe a carriage bolt in the slot & have the bolt body extend out & then tighten with a nut OR a Knob ?? 

5/16 carriage bolts work fine in the 1515. I don't know about the 1010 profile.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on November 06, 2013, 09:46 PM
Was just fiddling around in the shop tonight and I stumbled across this.

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This is just the 1515 ULS profile. It sits nearly perfectly level and just a tad under 1/2" below the MFT surface. I cobbled this together in a couple minutes & the 80/20 extensions with MDF are within 1mm of being dead level with the top.

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Not something I would put a lot of weight on without legs to support it but a dead simple way to make extensions for the MFT/3.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Rusty Miller on November 07, 2013, 08:28 AM
Richard,
You are the 80/20 "Man"!

Rusty
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on November 07, 2013, 10:09 AM
Richard,
You are the 80/20 "Man"!

Rusty

Actually I just don't have a life so I end up standing around out there for hours, often with a cigar and ale, listening to audiobooks. Every now and then I pick up something I have been staring at and fit it to something else. [scratch chin]

Keeps me out of the bars...

RMW

 
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Slappy on November 07, 2013, 11:02 AM
Richard ,
 what do you use to cut your 8020 with ?
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: ByrdieMan on November 07, 2013, 11:13 AM
Thanks for the heads up Richard. Works perfectly. I just checked it out and now I know what to do with the extra 1.5" profile I had laying around from my router fence build.

In case anyone's interested I've attached photos of the fence below. The core of the fence is made from 80/20 profiles stacked as follows:

15 X 30 (bottom)
15 X 15 (middle)
10 X 10 (top)
3/4" phenolic plywood (face)

There's all sorts of options - use your imagination. . .

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80/20 is expensive but useful!

Victor

Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on November 07, 2013, 11:54 AM
Richard ,
 what do you use to cut your 8020 with ?

Milwaukee dry cut chop saw with an Oshlun AL blade:

http://www.amazon.com/Milwaukee-6190-20-14-Inch-Cutoff-Machine/dp/B00023S336/ref=sr_1_3?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1383843175&sr=1-3&keywords=milwaukee+dry+cut+saw (http://www.amazon.com/Milwaukee-6190-20-14-Inch-Cutoff-Machine/dp/B00023S336/ref=sr_1_3?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1383843175&sr=1-3&keywords=milwaukee+dry+cut+saw)

http://www.amazon.com/Oshlun-SBNF-140100-14-Inch-Aluminum-Ferrous/dp/B001KW00Z2 (http://www.amazon.com/Oshlun-SBNF-140100-14-Inch-Aluminum-Ferrous/dp/B001KW00Z2)

Slices metal like butter, but the blade it comes with is for ferrous metal.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on November 07, 2013, 11:55 AM
Thanks for the heads up Richard. Works perfectly. I just checked it out and now I know what to do with the extra 1.5" profile I had laying around from my router fence build.

In case anyone's interested I've attached photos of the fence below. The core of the fence is made from 80/20 profiles stacked as follows:

15 X 30 (bottom)
15 X 15 (middle)
10 X 10 (top)
3/4" phenolic plywood (face)

There's all sorts of options - use your imagination. . .

Here's the back view:
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And the front view:
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The Side view:
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And a close-up of the side view (right half of the fence):
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80/20 is expensive but useful!

Victor



Great idea on the router fence.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: lawhoo on November 07, 2013, 12:53 PM
I have an Oshlun AL blade for my Kapex and have used it to cut much smaller pieces than the 8020.  I'm planning to build a couple of MFT/Sysport rolling cabinets using 8020 and am wondering whether I should buy a dedicated chop saw for that purpose, which will involve lots of large (4545) extrusions.  I'd prefer to use the Kapex and save the money and space required for another saw, but what do people think?  (I know Carroll Adams recommends against cutting metal and wood on the same saw, but I've already broken that taboo, since I didn't have the luxury of multiple miter saws.)
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Slappy on November 07, 2013, 01:33 PM
I have an Oshlun AL blade for my Kapex and have used it to cut much smaller pieces than the 8020.  I'm planning to build a couple of MFT/Sysport rolling cabinets using 8020 and am wondering whether I should buy a dedicated chop saw for that purpose, which will involve lots of large (4545) extrusions.  I'd prefer to use the Kapex and save the money and space required for another saw, but what do people think?  (I know Carroll Adams recommends against cutting metal and wood on the same saw, but I've already broken that taboo, since I didn't have the luxury of multiple miter saws.)
I just ordered this ::::   \

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0012YMVBE/ref=pe_385040_30332200_pe_309540_26725410_item (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0012YMVBE/ref=pe_385040_30332200_pe_309540_26725410_item)
 for my 14 year old  10" Delta chop / miter ( PN#36-075) saw to cut my 8020 stuff with .

 I plan on getting a Kapex later this spring for the wood stuff but will use the dewalt till then

The Old  Delta will then be just used  as AL cut saw , it's small enuff to stuff away when not needed

 i'd advise buying a used chop saw & place one of these blades on it for the AL & copper stuff ( the AL blades cut PVC & other plastics very well Too)

 but get the smaller tooth AL cut blades as the more teeth the smoother the 8020 cut surface will be
 that above is 100 teeth on a 10" blade

 More is better when cutting the AL stuff Big Time
 I was cutting some AL  angles & flat stock on my stock Dewalt carbide last summer but with the cost of the 8020
I wanted a finer cut surface
 be safe & clamp down any metal pieces very well when using a chop saw    !   !    !   Go SLOW !
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on April 14, 2014, 09:14 AM
One of the reasons I like 80/20 so much is the ability to reconfigure it as needed. Yesterday I had to flatten a worktop made of recycled Brazilian Cherry flooring shorts. The top was cupped in the center; the worst spot was about 1/8” low.
 
It was the first really beautiful spring weekend we have had this year (the Laughing Gulls are back, what I consider to be the “official” start of spring) so the bonus was being able to set up the cutting/clamping table outside.

This setup is just another take on the router sled method for flattening a surface. The extrusions are the 15 series profile, after leveling everything I spent an hour running the router w/ a 30mm bottom cutting bit back & forth, followed by another hour of sanding and then on to the Osmo oil.

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Along with the 80/20 a couple slotted plates made out of ¼” by 2” aluminum bar get used a lot to hold extrusions together as router guides, etc.

At the end of the day the table breaks down in 10 minutes and takes up minimal room on the shop wall. I find that having a couple full 97” lengths of 1515 around, along with a bunch of different shorter pieces, is handy to whomp up different jigs as needed.

RMW 
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: neilc on April 14, 2014, 12:33 PM
Great use of 80/20.  Love that stuff!

neil
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Greg Powers on April 14, 2014, 07:59 PM
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Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: jafenske on April 14, 2014, 09:51 PM
I don't know whats nicer... that 8020 table or the big green egg in the background.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on April 15, 2014, 07:57 PM
I don't know whats nicer... that 8020 table or the big green egg in the background.

The egg, which is about 12 years old, is basically being held together by that table. The bottom is split in two, crack has widened to 3/16", my own fault. It is difficult now to control temp, and it won't smother leftover charcoal at the end of a cook anymore. I stopped in at Fred's Music and BBQ in Shillington PA earlier today and checked the price for the replacement bottom, $420!!!

Seriously considering replacing it with the Kamado Joe @ $749 for the comparable model. They recommend it but I need to do some research myself.

And, I need to convince the boss it is necessary...

RMW

Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Slappy on April 15, 2014, 09:33 PM
I don't know whats nicer... that 8020 table or the big green egg in the background.

The egg, which is about 12 years old, is basically being held together by that table. The bottom is split in two, crack has widened to 3/16", my own fault. It is difficult now to control temp, and it won't smother leftover charcoal at the end of a cook anymore. I stopped in at Fred's Music and BBQ in Shillington PA earlier today and checked the price for the replacement bottom, $420!!!

Seriously considering replacing it with the Kamado Joe @ $749 for the comparable model. They recommend it but I need to do some research myself.

And, I need to convince the boss it is necessary...

RMW


make Yer own bottom for that green egg / a little concrete & chicken wire is all that is needed L O L
 use the broke one as a mold
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on April 20, 2014, 05:10 PM
Yesterday we did pizza on the egg, which as noted below has a cracked bottom that has widened now to about 1/4". The top also shifted due to the crack & I can no longer regulate temperature via the top/bottom vents.

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6+ minutes for the 1st one, then <4 minutes for the 2nd. Should have clued me that the temp on the stone was rising pretty fast. The third pie was one our friend brought over and the dough was really really moist and gooey, when we slid it onto the stone if went Ka-blooie!!!

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I checked the temp and it had hit 900 degrees. We let it cook on the shards of the stone, then ate some pizza. The fire was raging unregulated but there was not much we could do, then I noticed this:

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Spent the next few hours wetting the table until the load of charcoal burned itself out. Next week I will pick up the Kamado Joe as a replacement.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Sean KS on April 20, 2014, 06:09 PM
Rich, are you going to share your sketch up file on how to burn down your porch while making Easter dinner? But how to save the house by using 80/20 and some festools? I'd love to get those links. Happy Easter
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on April 20, 2014, 06:28 PM
Rich, are you going to share your sketch up file on how to burn down your porch while making Easter dinner? But how to save the house by using 80/20 and some festools? I'd love to get those links. Happy Easter

Yep, the thread meandered into grilling...

Happy Easter to you also.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Oldtoolsniper on April 22, 2014, 11:08 PM
Before you get rid of your green egg, try some Refractory cement. It's what they use in charcoal forges, and also it's real common for rebuilding the bottom of cast-iron wood-burning/coal stoves. I use it to repair cracks in my cast-iron stoves.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Hud on April 22, 2014, 11:21 PM
What is the best way to cut 80/20 and keep it square and the correct lenght
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Slappy on April 22, 2014, 11:36 PM
miter saw with the correct carbide blade & a little WD-40
 clamped well on both sides
 go just cut slowly & you get a square cut that is smooth  [tongue]
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Sean KS on April 24, 2014, 01:39 PM
I've seen a lot of questions on cutting this stuff. There really is not more difficultly in cutting it then there is cutting wood. As people have said clamping is necessary and a slow feed rate. Other than that no one should be afraid of getting good results with cut to length machining. This stuff is surprisingly soft, even handsaws and drill bits cut easily. If you haven't done metal work before don't worry about it, you'll be fine. 80/20 is set up so you don't have to know any real metal work! Jump I'm and go for it!
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Slappy on April 24, 2014, 01:56 PM
clamping is just for safety for the person & the saw , saw blade
flying metal even AL is dangerous
 slow cutting means a smoother cut surface & lessons the chance of shattering the carbide tips
 By the way you should only use carbide tipped blades to cut AL
Yes You can cut with a HSS blade but that blade will dull quickly
 I've cut allota AL & 80/20 , even copper pipe with my Dewalt miter saw & carbide blade  with smooth cuts nearly burrless as well
 In fact I'll be cutting some 1/2" AL plate today as I make a zero clearance plate for my MiniMax S500P Band Saw (i'm pimping out the MM20)  [big grin]
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: rst on April 24, 2014, 05:21 PM
Don't expect to cut aluminum exactly the same as wood.  Any thickness over 1/8" and you should cycle the blade in and out of the material.  Any triple chip blade will work but a blade with negative rake is best to avoid self feeding.  I cut anything up to 1" with my Makita 10" chop saw but do not force the blade.  I just cut a 6" wide X 1" thick piece for a mag lock spacer and even cycling I popped the circuit breaker twice.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: grbmds on April 27, 2014, 12:31 AM
Would I be able to cut Incra T-Track + the same as 8020 since that is aluminum also? My main concern is dulling my TS55 blade. I would only be making one cut to cut a piece of Incra track in half. I'm assuming the 1 cut would not dull the blade noticeably. Correct?
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: wow on April 27, 2014, 01:28 AM
I have cut 1/4" 6061 on my table saw with no issue. They sell a 'wax stick' that you can use to help keep the blade slippery and cool, and it helps a lot. Not sure what effect the wax would have on wood, so I either use a different blade for wood or clean it up with lacquer thinner after use.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Peter Halle on April 27, 2014, 03:11 AM
Would I be able to cut Incra T-Track + the same as 8020 since that is aluminum also? My main concern is dulling my TS55 blade. I would only be making one cut to cut a piece of Incra track in half. I'm assuming the 1 cut would not dull the blade noticeably. Correct?

There are several of us here, myself included- some reluctantly - some not - who can attest to the fact that the Festool blades can accidentally  [eek] or not make an accidental or purposeful cut in aluminum guide rails, MFT extrusions, MFT fences, etc without noticeable harm to the blade on the occasional basis.  If you are going to purposely make the cuts more frequently then there is a non ferrous cutting blade available.

Peter
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on April 27, 2014, 08:20 AM
Would I be able to cut Incra T-Track + the same as 8020 since that is aluminum also? My main concern is dulling my TS55 blade. I would only be making one cut to cut a piece of Incra track in half. I'm assuming the 1 cut would not dull the blade noticeably. Correct?

There are several of us here, myself included- some reluctantly - some not - who can attest to the fact that the Festool blades can accidentally  [eek] or not make an accidental or purposeful cut in aluminum guide rails, MFT extrusions, MFT fences, etc without noticeable harm to the blade on the occasional basis.  If you are going to purposely make the cuts more frequently then there is a non ferrous cutting blade available.

Peter

+1

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on April 27, 2014, 08:30 AM
There is a bunch of 14mm stainless rod left over from our staircase handrail project so I decided to use it to make shop wall brackets to hold clamps, etc. Ideally the rods need to be at a slight angle of a few degrees to prevent stuff from slipping off too easily.

In the past when the need arose to drill holes on the drill press at angles I just cobbled together something with a wedge, etc. Finally tired of that routine so I whomped up a jig from some scraps and hardware I had laying around:

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Love being able to repurpose pieces and parts as the need arises.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: grbmds on April 27, 2014, 08:43 AM
So, from the responses before and after my post, I'm getting the feeling that 1 cut of T-Track with the standard Festool blade wouldn't harm it. Given that I would never cut into my MFT rails (Ha, have cut too deep into the top already; just not the rails) I won't worry. I also have a Bosch jig saw for which I have metal cutting blades and probably could do that. I was just looking for a way to make the cut smoothly so the T-track ends would be "professional" instead like the ends of a steel pipe I've cut with a hack saw.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: rst on April 27, 2014, 10:00 AM
In regards to dulling your blade... your cutting aluminum with carbide.  Not a chance of ever dulling.  Aluminum is a "sticky" metal however.  If cutting thin, less than 3/16", and are not making that many cuts, you don't need to lub.  Thick extrusions and lots of cuts will necessitate using a spray lub... we buy WD40 by the gallon and deep it in cheap spray bottle... spray the blade occasionally, no need for a continuous spray unless cutting 3/4"+.  I use a scrap piece of brass to cut and clean galled aluminum off my blades and occasionally remove the blade and clean the body with conditioning belts.  This body cleaning is essential when cutting a lot of acrylics or polycarbonates.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: AlfaItalia on May 01, 2014, 09:46 PM
Yesterday we did pizza on the egg, which as noted below has a cracked bottom that has widened now to about 1/4". The top also shifted due to the crack & I can no longer regulate temperature via the top/bottom vents.

.....

Spent the next few hours wetting the table until the load of charcoal burned itself out. Next week I will pick up the Kamado Joe as a replacement.

RMW

I thought that the Big Green Egg had a lifetime warranty?

-- Michael
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on May 02, 2014, 08:07 AM
Yesterday we did pizza on the egg, which as noted below has a cracked bottom that has widened now to about 1/4". The top also shifted due to the crack & I can no longer regulate temperature via the top/bottom vents.

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Spent the next few hours wetting the table until the load of charcoal burned itself out. Next week I will pick up the Kamado Joe as a replacement.

RMW


I thought that the Big Green Egg had a lifetime warranty?

-- Michael

Yes - IF you register it when purchased, something I apparently did not do 10-12 years ago.

Also, in truth, the original crack was caused by a modification I installed. Some welded steel brackets that raised the grill, but were inserted between the inner fire box and outer shell, a mistake in hindsight. Over time that apparently created some stress pressing outwards on the shell, and when I loosened the steel band to clean the top/bottom prior to replacing the gasket the stress was released and the bottom shell popped. Since then the re-tightened band and the table have been holding it together, but the crack has widened over time as the lower ends moved apart.

The good news is the boss is feeling generous and has insisted I not only replace it, but get the larger one to boot.  [thumbs up]  Gotta act before the moment passes. I think I have settled on the Kamado Joe, every bit as high quality as the BGE and better equipped for less money.

On the 80/20 front I got to use my angle drilling jig last night, 4 lengths of 45" hard maple with 14mm holes 64mm O.C. @ 2 degrees. Probably an hour of setup and drilling, filled with Peter Mulvey tunes, overall a very nice evening.

These will get mounted to the wall and loaded with clamps, etc:

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RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on May 18, 2014, 07:26 AM
Yesterday it occurred to me again how doggone handy these 80/20 MFT extension arms are:

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Used the same setup to cut the parts (with parallel guides and a 90 degree cross-cut guide) and then hold them during assembly. Thinking about it I realized that this is the preferred setup for at least half of the work I do on the MFT.

While in central PA a week ago I stopped at Grizzly and spent a couple hours wandering around the showroom in a daze. Amazingly this little vise, and some sanding disks, was all I brought home.

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Even more fun with 80/20...

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Dave Lame on May 18, 2014, 05:25 PM
RMW,

Keep up these posts, very helpful.

Have built your table extenders and found them most useful.

Then, following on your post showing how 8020 extrusions hang on Festool MFT extrusions, I have built 2 lamp stands, one saw holder, one battery charging station, and one dog house as add ons to my MFT.

Now finalizing design for combination 8020 and Baltic Birch "MFT like" rolling cabinet and router table.  Thanks again for the inspiration and tips.

One small lesson I might share. I don't have/need a chop saw but did need to cut 8020. Saw small, low cost Hitachi 10" chop saw ( C10FCE2 ) at Lowes for $129. Added 80 T Al balce from Tenyru. Cuts 1515 like hot knife thru butter.

Dave
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Rusty Miller on May 18, 2014, 06:40 PM
I want to see some pics, especially the dog house!

Rusty
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on May 19, 2014, 06:50 AM
Dave, Rusty beat me to it. Dog House???

Photos?  [popcorn]

I half finished a rolling 80/20 MFT-ish cart, now I am considering tearing it apart and redesigning. Would love to see your ideas. Here are a few random shots, in no particular order.

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Post some photos.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Scorpion on May 19, 2014, 07:16 AM
Awesome work.  Where did you get this part?  I've not seen something like that before.(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/19/8urydyhe.jpg)
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Woodn't It Be Neat on May 19, 2014, 07:57 AM
The bracket looks like an 80/20 3 way corner bracket part number 14113 on page 309 of their catalogue.

Kevin
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on May 19, 2014, 08:21 AM
The bracket looks like an 80/20 3 way corner bracket part number 14113 on page 309 of their catalogue.

Kevin

That is exactly it. I did have to doctor it up to get room for the Festool clamps to slide into the slot:

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Used a Portaband mounted in the SWAG Offroad table (http://www.swagoffroad.com/SWAG-Portaband-Tables-Accessories_c_35.html). Very handy tool.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: promark747 on May 19, 2014, 08:39 AM
Richard,

Do the plywood side panels fit into the slots of the extrusions or are they fastened in a different way?
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: sgt_rjp on May 19, 2014, 09:14 AM
Richard, that swag table looks great.  If there was a taller maxi, you could store your portaband, table, and still have room for parts.   Does the table use some sort of wingnut to hold the legs on?
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on May 19, 2014, 09:46 AM
Richard,

Do the plywood side panels fit into the slots of the extrusions or are they fastened in a different way?

The slot in the extrusion is 5/16", I just rabbeted the side panels. For the top I used rabbeted strips and screwed up into the top panel from below, it sits about 1/2"above the 80/20.

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Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: promark747 on May 19, 2014, 09:48 AM
Very nice, thanks Richard!
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on May 19, 2014, 09:58 AM
Richard, that swag table looks great.  If there was a taller maxi, you could store your portaband, table, and still have room for parts.   Does the table use some sort of wingnut to hold the legs on?

Legs are bolted on.

Check out their videos for more info, the newest version lets the newer saw just slip in. Older versions fit different saws, mine uses their throat plate to replace the stock one but then the saw slips in/out of the table for handheld use.

It gets used a lot.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Tinker on May 19, 2014, 05:02 PM
Once again, I have tuned in a bit late.  Somehow, this thread slipped past my view.

When i got to the green egg portion of the discussion, I got to laughing.  The part about using concrete in the bottom brought back an on the job experience from nearly 50 years ago. (49 to be a bit more precise) One more chance for me to bore the ---- (insert your own words) out of y-all.

I had a contract to do the masonry on a development of some quite large houses.  The project was being constructed over some reclaimed marsh (wetlands) and we had some problems to solve concerning possible future settlement.  Instead of digging footings, we went in with a couple of dozers and pushed out a few feet of soft ground (peat) until we hit solid base.  we then brought in about 3 to 4 feet of bank run gravel, compacting with a large roller as we went.  Instead of wide footings, we put forms around the perimeter of the structure to be, layed out mesh and rods.  The rods were on about 12" centers in both directions and wired together with the mesh tied over that.  We poured the complete floor about 12" thick with extra reinforcement wherever a foundation wall was going above. 

A couple of the houses were being constructed during a very cold winter and we had to keep the gravel base protected until the concrete had been poured.  Once the concrete was poured, we still had to protect the surface.  We covered with hay and tarps over nite, uncovering only the area we would be working on by day.  The foundations were concrete blocks (that, and all other unit type masonry were my part) and we needed to heat water and sand for the mortar.  We had been off the project for about a week while the slabs were being poured and supposedly covered by the concrete contractor.  I had sand, cement and lime delivered before the slab had been poured.  My materials were well protected, but we had to bring in water in some 50 gallon drums. I gave my crew directions to set up some blocks next to the sand pile so we could build a fire under a drum.  With warm water, we did not need to heat the sand other than reflective heat from heating the water.  I left it up to my guys to take care of the setup while i went to a meeting with one of my other builders. 

When i arrived at the job, the first sight was of a water drum elevated over a roaring fire out on the very middle of the concrete slab.  The slab had not been covered with anything but some tarps.  No hay or insulating material any kind.  The crew was busy with shovels and wheelbarrows moving the sand out onto the slab as close to the fire as possible.  I jumped out of the truck yelling to get that fire out of there.  Now, normally, i am just a quiet guy  ::), but sometimes one has to get a little excited.  It wakes people up when you yell a little  [scared] [wink].

"What are you yelling about?" somebody asked. 

Just about the moment i was about to explain what could happen to cold concrete with a very hot fire burning away on it's surface, there was a loud blast as the entire 50 gal drum flew about ten feet in the air turning upside down and dumping its entire contents onto the fire.  "That's why I was yelling!"

Luckilly, no body was standing close to the fire, as there were some rather large chunks of concrete lying in a circle about 4 to 5 feet out from where the fire had been.  Luckilly, the heat had not penetrated down far enough to affect the rod and wire reinforcement.  The architect looked it over and with a little jack hammer and sawing work, we were able to put a neat patch in place. 

About the responder a page or so back who recommended concrete and wire for a base under the fire, I, for one, don't think so.  A picture a little later on showed a pulverized stone pad that shows very graphically what can happen.  Of course, that was probably not as exciting as my water drum flying sky high with enough water to extinguish a huge bonfire once it reached its full altitude and turned upside down.  There was a lot of sizzling for a few minutes.  Nobody was hurt and the expense turned out to be minimal.  And, we all got a good laugh  >>> sometime after I cooled off.

Tinker
Title: As requested Dog House photos
Post by: Dave Lame on May 22, 2014, 08:23 PM
Please excuse me, first time posting photos.

As requested by multitudes, photos of MFT Dog House + similar devices

Dog House: Additional, seldom used puppies in orange container to right rear.
Jig standing in middle-back of dog house locks 1515 to MFT.

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Dog House on 1515 on MFT. Note "lock" underneath 1515.

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Dog House + lamp stand to left and another to rear + battery charging station to rear + saw platform to right   All on 1515.
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Another view of saw platform.
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Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: VW MICK on May 22, 2014, 09:38 PM
Please excuse me, first time posting photos.

As requested by multitudes, photos of MFT Dog House + similar devices

Dog House: Additional, seldom used puppies in orange container to right rear.
Jig standing in middle-back of dog house locks 1515 to MFT.

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Dog House on 1515 on MFT. Note "lock" underneath 1515.

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Dog House + lamp stand to left and another to rear + battery charging station to rear + saw platform to right   All on 1515.
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Another view of saw platform.



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Nice set up I like that ,what are the dogs with the gold coloured screw on the side for ?
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Dave Lame on May 23, 2014, 12:17 PM
Those dogs are from well know breeder John of Tool Improvements fame.  What you see is a 1/4-20 knurled and plated wing nut. The other side of the dog has a flat face with a vertical slot so a fence or jig can be bolted to the dog, through the slot, at various heights.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on May 23, 2014, 02:00 PM
Those dogs are from well know breeder John of Tool Improvements fame.  What you see is a 1/4-20 knurled and plated wing nut. The other side of the dog has a flat face with a vertical slot so a fence or jig can be bolted to the dog, through the slot, at various heights.

And I think you are fortunate to have several sets, John kinda retired and sailed off into the sunset, as least as far as dog-breeding is concerned.

A "Dog House" - now I get it!  [doh]

On another note, all I can say is "Wow". You seem to have most every 20mm dog known to man, with the possible exception of the Parf's.   [not worthy] Getting any use from the Rip Dogs?

Thanks for posting the photos, you made good use of the 80/20 hanging on the MFT, much better than I have. I'm going to copy your TS55 shelf, mine got drug off the MFT yet again last week by the hose. Luckily no damage so far but it is only a matter of time.

Also, your shop is waaaaayyy too clean/bright/organized.... I'm jealous.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Dave Lame on May 23, 2014, 04:44 PM
RMW,

My, your naivete is astonishing. When I last counted there were at least 16 breeds (purebreds) plus at least two half breed varities of dogs in use by foggers. My position as not-so-special assistant to the 3rd Deputy Undersecretary of the FKCoA (Festool Kennel Club of America) requires me to maintain a significant, but incomplete, collection of breeds.  As you may already know, the FKCoA was founded to honor our one true leader, the right honorable Grand Master Breeder, QWAS. Unfortunately Master QWAS seems to have gone over to the non-dark side with the recent announcement of dogs in a multiplicity of vivid colors.   

Yes, I do use your Rip Dogs when when I need to make longer cuts over about 40 inches. Very useful then.  When even longer cuts are needed I happily use your parallel guides on MFT extensions copied from you. (against the wall in the far rear of the photo).

Best part of my shop: Step out garage door to the North for a view of the Bookcliff Mountains, the Grand Valley, and the Grand Mesa. Step out the other door to the South for a view of the red rocks of the Colorado National Monument.

Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on May 23, 2014, 06:35 PM
RMW,

My, your naivete is astonishing. When I last counted there were at least 16 breeds (purebreds) plus at least two half breed varities of dogs in use by foggers. My position as not-so-special assistant to the 3rd Deputy Undersecretary of the FKCoA (Festool Kennel Club of America) requires me to maintain a significant, but incomplete, collection of breeds.  As you may already know, the FKCoA was founded to honor our one true leader, the right honorable Grand Master Breeder, QWAS. Unfortunately Master QWAS seems to have gone over to the non-dark side with the recent announcement of dogs in a multiplicity of vivid colors.   

Yes, I do use your Rip Dogs when when I need to make longer cuts over about 40 inches. Very useful then.  When even longer cuts are needed I happily use your parallel guides on MFT extensions copied from you. (against the wall in the far rear of the photo).

Best part of my shop: Step out garage door to the North for a view of the Bookcliff Mountains, the Grand Valley, and the Grand Mesa. Step out the other door to the South for a view of the red rocks of the Colorado National Monument.



"Naivete"... I'm blushing...

The Bookcliff Mountains et al places you around Grand Junction? Gorgeous country. I chased a girl (caught her, I'm happy to say) from Nevada to NJ via PA, so I am living somewhere I never expected to find myself and missing the high desert. At least we have a great beach, something about 10,000 shoobies realized as they have just descended upon us for the long weekend.

Everyone enjoy the holiday weekend, and remember those who sacrificed.

RMW
Title: Re: As requested Dog House photos
Post by: Slartibartfass on May 27, 2014, 01:45 PM
Please excuse me, first time posting photos.

As requested by multitudes, photos of MFT Dog House + similar devices

Dog House: Additional, seldom used puppies in orange container to right rear.
Jig standing in middle-back of dog house locks 1515 to MFT.

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Dog House on 1515 on MFT. Note "lock" underneath 1515.

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Dog House + lamp stand to left and another to rear + battery charging station to rear + saw platform to right   All on 1515.
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Another view of saw platform.
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Dave a quick question. Could you elaborate what kind of base you use underneath the incra unit to attach to the MFT/3 ?
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: stphnlwlsh on May 27, 2014, 04:24 PM
It looks like the Precision Plate (http://precisiondogs.us/products/precision-plate) from Precision Dogs.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Dave Lame on May 27, 2014, 05:03 PM
Yes, Precision Plate from Precision Dogs. Nice product.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: roblg3 on June 12, 2014, 09:44 PM
Was just fiddling around in the shop tonight and I stumbled across this.

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This is just the 1515 ULS profile. It sits nearly perfectly level and just a tad under 1/2" below the MFT surface. I cobbled this together in a couple minutes & the 80/20 extensions with MDF are within 1mm of being dead level with the top.

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would the 10 profile fit as well?  i'm so happy i just stumbled upon this thread as i'm outfitting an incra positioner and router table, with designs on attaching my contractor table saw to the MFT to maximize the precision of the positioner.  of course money is an option, but when you are fitting expensive parts together, it hardly seems logical to scrimp on the joinery!?

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Not something I would put a lot of weight on without legs to support it but a dead simple way to make extensions for the MFT/3.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on June 18, 2014, 05:54 AM
Got a deal on a DeWalt sawhorse/saw stand ($89 @ Lowes & also on Amazon Prime) and mated it up with the 80/20 extension arms I use so much. Turned out to be a great work support for quickie jobs, like cutting some brick outside to keep the nasty dust out of the shop.

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Best part is it sets up in 60 seconds, and is totally portable. I have the longer DeWalt miter saw stand also, next time I break down plywood I am going to try it with 4-6 of the 80/20 extensions.

RMW 
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Scorpion on June 18, 2014, 07:54 AM
Got a deal on a DeWalt sawhorse/saw stand ($89 @ Lowes & also on Amazon Prime) and mated it up with the 80/20 extension arms I use so much. Turned out to be a great work support for quickie jobs, like cutting some brick outside to keep the nasty dust out of the shop.

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Best part is it sets up in 60 seconds, and is totally portable. I have the longer DeWalt miter saw stand also, next time I break down plywood I am going to try it with 4-6 of the 80/20 extensions.

RMW 

What series/size extrusion are you using?  Is it 1515?
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on June 18, 2014, 08:12 AM
Got a deal on a DeWalt sawhorse/saw stand ($89 @ Lowes & also on Amazon Prime) and mated it up with the 80/20 extension arms I use so much. Turned out to be a great work support for quickie jobs, like cutting some brick outside to keep the nasty dust out of the shop.

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Best part is it sets up in 60 seconds, and is totally portable. I have the longer DeWalt miter saw stand also, next time I break down plywood I am going to try it with 4-6 of the 80/20 extensions.

RMW 

What series/size extrusion are you using?  Is it 1515?

Yes. 1515 and 4040 fit the Festool clamps with room to spare. They will just fit into the 3030 but you have to file/grind a smidgen off each clamp first. 1515 ULS is the best fit/lightest option.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Sean KS on June 29, 2014, 04:35 AM
Has anyone submitted as custom machining request to 80/20. Im just a sketch up guy but they say you can submit a sketch if needed. Anyone who has, would this pass the requirements?
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: neilc on June 29, 2014, 08:47 AM
Yes, I have done it.  What you have drawn is fine.  If they have questions, they reach out via phone or email.

Neil
Title: Re: As requested Dog House photos
Post by: tdwilli1 on July 03, 2014, 12:23 PM
Dave,

How did you mount the Kreg Clamp.

Tim

Please excuse me, first time posting photos.

As requested by multitudes, photos of MFT Dog House + similar devices

Dog House: Additional, seldom used puppies in orange container to right rear.
Jig standing in middle-back of dog house locks 1515 to MFT.

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Dog House on 1515 on MFT. Note "lock" underneath 1515.

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Dog House + lamp stand to left and another to rear + battery charging station to rear + saw platform to right   All on 1515.
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Another view of saw platform.
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Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: greymann on July 24, 2014, 09:47 AM
After a number of fits and starts, I have most of my 80/20 system together.  As much of it is the same (extrusions and such) as everyone else has done, I'll just concentrate on what I did differently and why I use the word system to describe it.

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The basics are I used 40 series extrusions and carrymaster casters.  On the main table I have a full shelf underneath the top to allow access to the underside of the top and to keep items I'm using at the time.  For the shelves below, I chose to keep them open with the drawer glides attached directly to the extrusions.  They become structural members as if the worktable needed to be any more stable.  Eventually, I'll probably make drawers to go in the center section.

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This image shows the connectors I used.  The m4 screws and drop in T nuts are to mount the drawer slides.  I mainly used the end fasteners on the right wherever a fixed connection was needed.  I used the anchor fasteners on the left when a piece of extrusion might need to be moved or added temporarily (you'll see what I mean in a few minutes).  I used the panel brackets to support the top.  This is the main feature I hadn't seen anyone else describe using.

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Here is a more open look at the second unit I built which has the same long length as the first but is only half as wide.  You can see how the panel brackets are attached.

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To get the top to sit up from the extrusions, I built a frame from 3/4 ply and used loose dominoes as connectors.

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Then I cut the top to the exact dimensions of the extrusion arms, drop it in and tighten the connectors.  I might later directly attach the top but so far it hasn't been necessary.

The rest of this is talking about how I finally made the tops. 

It started from the excellent post by Michael_Swe 

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/make-a-perfect-%27mft%27-with-qwas-raildogs/msg238735/#msg238735 (http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/make-a-perfect-%27mft%27-with-qwas-raildogs/msg238735/#msg238735)

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The first change I made was to make the first set of holes in jig boards instead of on the blank itself.  I actually drilled both boards at the same time and flipped one.

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One other difference from what others have done is that I wanted the first row and column to be exactly 28 mm from the edge (more on that later).  I'll also show what the 32mm offset shelf pin holes are for.

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In this step and most others in making the top I don't think I can possibly overstate the importance the Incra precision T-rule has been to me.  It has become a go-to tool.

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Here is my setup for drilling the top.  Keeping the jig precisely aligned was critical so I used three bar clamps so I could always have at least two attached at all times.

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Probably the most controversial (heretical?) thing I did was to precisely drill a hole in the rail to fit the pin hole in the jig to get that 28 mm distance from the side.  I used this as a coarse adjustment that I refined later.

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I also couldn't overhang the side guide holes to use the Qwas rail dogs and keep everything stable while drilling.  So I used these threaded sleeves  I got from John at tool improvements.  They let me work on a flat tabletop.  I don't know of anyone currently making these but as they make excellent rail pups I would expect that any of the current dog suppliers could make a set.

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For the drilling operation I used three bits.  The first is a Whiteside 25/32, second the Festool 20 mm, and finally a pin I had on hand which is part of the Micro Fence circle jig.  This made for a lot of bit change out during the process but as they each used a different collet, the process went fairly smoothly.  At the start of each row I used the centering pin to make a fine adjustment then clamped the rail and removed the shelf pin from the rail.  I used the Whiteside bit which was slightly undersized to remove most of the material.  I found best results at not drilling completely through with this bit even using a backer board.  I have a bias toward using a 1/2 inch shank when drilling through thick material.  I then used the 20 mm to size the holes and make a clean exit through the board. 

Then wash, rinse and repeat and you have a board full of holes.

Now I have two tables, one with a holy top and one without.  Here comes the system part.

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By simply using two more pieces of extrusion and a second drilled top flipped with respect to the other, I now have a top that is a little over 4 by 8 feet.

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Looking down the line you can see what I was hoping for.

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First, it passed the square test.

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Second the other thing I was trying for worked as well.  If you had been doing the math you would have seen that 28 mm times two plus a 40 mm extrusion gives a 96 mm hole space between tops.  The only thing I had to demonstrate this was this part from my MFT 1080s.

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Now it is time to get to work.  But as you can see, the next top I build will be much easier.

Sorry this was so long but I hope you found the read worthwhile.

Dick Perry
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on July 24, 2014, 10:16 AM
Dick,

Awesome job! Thanks for documenting it so thoroughly, the text/photos make it a cinch to understand exactly what you did.

I have nowhere near the space to work with but am hoping to get back to my own, much smaller, 80/20 MFT project soon.

Thanks for sharing, you are going to love working on that setup.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: greymann on July 25, 2014, 09:24 AM
Richard,

The main reason I started on this project is that I consider my workspace small as well, around 16x16 feet.  I don't intend for the large unit shown above to be set up very often.  The small table and another I have planned that has the same width as the small one but the length of the short side of the main table will replace the ugly white thing shown in some of the shots above.  I also plan to put my planner and possibly some other smaller tools on their small table tops. 

80/20 refers to their product as being the industrial erector set and I hope to take advantage of that to roll together what I need at the time and leave them against the wall when I don't.  This is however turning into another addiction. 

Dick
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on July 25, 2014, 11:19 AM
16' by 16', 256 SF... I would kill for that enormous space...  [poke]

@ 10 by 12 outside dimension I am constantly struggling to find a place for [insert tool type here].

Seriously though, it has made me think thru what I really need to do the work I want to. I started w/ Festool when we moved to this house, going from a 800 SF shop to this little shed. Forced me to get rid of all my stationary tools other than a couple of small benchtop items.

One way I made it work larger is having the outside deck at the same height, weather permitting I can roll everything outside.

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I spent the last couple days staring at my MFT, which has been covered with grill racks and accessories for the past couple weeks. Came to the realization that it takes up a lot of SF (nearly 9 of < 120) and I have not actually cut anything on it recently. Now I am noodling a hybrid, something that is only 20" deep with a top that expands.

Yes, the erector set does become addicting. [doh]

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: elfick on July 25, 2014, 11:23 AM
Awesome build! It is hard to tell from the pics but it doesn't look like you have use of the t-tracks. Do you have a plan for that or is it not a concern for you?
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: greymann on July 25, 2014, 02:51 PM
elfick,

I agonized over that part of the setup for quite a while.  In the end I had to have the vertical slots in the legs available to be able to add the middle section.  You can see that in the next to last picture.

To make up for that I stocked up on what they call roll-in T-nuts especially the ones with a shoulder and a ball spring.  And as I talked about with the drawer slides I use drop in T-nuts that twist to lock.  This lets me add things after final assembly.  Among other things, I hope to add a Moxon vise to one end of the main table but still be able to remove it.

Richard,

My 16x16 is also outside dimensions with six inch walls.  Makes me feel squeezed in when I think of it that way.

I also do without a table saw and made the tables so beefy so I can do hand planning and the like on them as well.

Dick
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on July 27, 2014, 08:32 AM
Came up with this as a quick setup for cutting sheet goods or dimensional stock:

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Toying with the idea of combining the 2 Dewalt horses with more/longer extension arms and making an "L" shaped work area.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: VW MICK on July 27, 2014, 09:37 AM
Hey your just showing off your egg
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Oso Rojo on July 28, 2014, 12:21 AM
Nice setup. How did you connect the rails to the Dewalt guide?
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on July 28, 2014, 12:32 AM
Nice setup. How did you connect the rails to the Dewalt guide?

Thanks. Made some T-nuts from 1/4" AL bar w/ hole tapped 5/16", they fit in the slot of the Dewalt horse.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Tinker on July 28, 2014, 07:46 AM

I spent the last couple days staring at my MFT, which has been covered with grill racks and accessories for the past couple weeks. Came to the realization that it takes up a lot of SF (nearly 9 of < 120) and I have not actually cut anything on it recently. Now I am noodling a hybrid, something that is only 20" deep with a top that expands.

Yes, the erector set does become addicting. [doh]

RMW

I have been toying with same idea for my shop.  I have a floorspace of 9-1/2 feet by about 18 feet. One wall has my lumber rack so about 1-1/2 of floor space and wall space for tools is lost.  I am coming to the conclusion that my MFT's take up a lot of working around space.  I have been watching this conversation with a lot of interest along with a couple of others threads discussing variations to Ron Paulk's design.

RMW's idea for integrating DW rail and 80/20 really rang my bell.  The same idea could be used to extend my further replacement of MFT as well as moving outside to my 1/2 acre shop for projects that are too big for inside my shop.  Even if I have space horizontally to build inside, my ceiling is less than 6'8" high.  A set of shelves or a cabinet of any size are almost impossible to construct the way I am presently set up.

Tinker
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on July 28, 2014, 08:50 AM
While I love my MFT and have a lot invested in dogs, etc. I am realizing it gets used for cutting only infrequently. Anytime I am cutting plywood I default to the 80/20 extensions with parallel guides for ripping, and this t-square-ish guide for cross cutting:

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Sometime after the first photos were taken I modified it by adding a section of Incra T-Track + with an adjustable stop, this lets me set repeatable panel lengths between about 9.5" and 24". Anything longer I just measure/mark and align the splinter guard.

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My current weekend project is a weatherproof storage area under the deck off the house, it gives me about 7' wide by 9' long, 36" high storage for materials and some tools. Basically built a very short shed under the deck. When completed next weekend I suspect my MFT will be calling it home, then I can figure out what to replace it with inside the shop.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: promark747 on July 27, 2016, 02:00 PM
Nice setup. How did you connect the rails to the Dewalt guide?

Thanks. Made some T-nuts from 1/4" AL bar w/ hole tapped 5/16", they fit in the slot of the Dewalt horse.

RMW

When you have a chance, can you please take a pic of those T-nuts?

Thanks
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on July 27, 2016, 03:25 PM
Nice setup. How did you connect the rails to the Dewalt guide?

Thanks. Made some T-nuts from 1/4" AL bar w/ hole tapped 5/16", they fit in the slot of the Dewalt horse.

RMW

When you have a chance, can you please take a pic of those T-nuts?

Thanks

@promark747

I'll see if I can find them, they were basically just 1-1/2" squares of 1/4" AL with a 5/16" hole centered and tapped. I think I ground a slight bevel on 2 edges to match the underside bevel on the DeWalt horses.

Needed to cut some ply recently and I almost dug them out but instead used those 80/20 extension arms on the MFT to create a surface for cutting full sheets down.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: ben_r_ on April 25, 2017, 05:09 PM
Some great ideas in this thread!
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: fritter63 on May 22, 2017, 09:53 PM
This is only thing I'm using 80/20 for in my shop right now....  [cool]

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Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: ryanjg117 on May 17, 2018, 07:45 PM
Figured you 80/20 fans would like this one:
http://festoolownersgroup.com/workshops-and-mobile-vehicle-based-shops/repurposed-a-$10-000-custom-solar-panel-conveyor-into-tablesaw-outfeed-table/
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: ben_r_ on May 18, 2018, 12:02 PM
Figured you 80/20 fans would like this one:
http://festoolownersgroup.com/workshops-and-mobile-vehicle-based-shops/repurposed-a- (http://festoolownersgroup.com/workshops-and-mobile-vehicle-based-shops/repurposed-a-)$10-000-custom-solar-panel-conveyor-into-tablesaw-outfeed-table/
Link fixed: LINK (http://festoolownersgroup.com/workshops-and-mobile-vehicle-based-shops/repurposed-a-$10-000-custom-solar-panel-conveyor-into-tablesaw-outfeed-table/)
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: ryanjg117 on May 18, 2018, 09:55 PM
This is only thing I'm using 80/20 for in my shop right now....  [cool]


@fritter63 Is that a CNCRouterParts purchase or custom made? I’m thinking about making my own since I’ve got some of the parts I’ll need, but it’s a very long term project.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: fritter63 on September 19, 2018, 12:15 PM
This is only thing I'm using 80/20 for in my shop right now....  [cool]


@fritter63 Is that a CNCRouterParts purchase or custom made? I’m thinking about making my own since I’ve got some of the parts I’ll need, but it’s a very long term project.

Sorry, I JUST saw this!

Yes, it's a kit from CNCRouterParts. Awesome machine. Search youtube for "the modern luthier" to see my channel showing it in use.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: supimeister on February 19, 2019, 08:52 PM
Seeing as this is my all-time favorite thread on all things 80/20, I thought I would share a bit of my recent research.

Manor Wood has several great videos showing his incredible aluminum extrusion miter saw stand and aluminum extrusion mft inspired cutting table.
Miter Saw Stand (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78U_q3Vg-tA)
Manor Wood Mega MFT Work Table (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b139v1-BH0I)

He also has a video highlighting RUWI's new stop rails that are now adaptable for the MFT/3 and lifting tables akin to the Felder FAT300.
RUWI product here - https://ruwi.de/en/produkte/festool-mft3-surface/
Video here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVjgVhR1umU

In this video, beginning around 1:47, he highlights new RUWI dogs that quickly and easily clamp the extrusion to the bench.  I decided I NEEDED this product.

I believe Manor Wood's extrusion is identical to the 40 series from 80/20.  Unfortunately, this product does not exist on the RUWI site, but I did eventually find two sources for it:

https://www.sautershop.de/klemmbolzen-mit-klemmhebel-oe-20-mm-ru-27536?c=15539
I contacted them, and they do ship to the US, though shipping ain't cheap. 

Sautershop also offers a wide variety of other interesting RUWI products - https://www.sautershop.de/multifunktionstische/ruwi-multifunktionstisch/zubehoer-zum-spannen-saegen-bohren/schnellspanner-von-ruwi/

Felder also offers it here - https://us.feldershop.com/en-US/en-US/en-US/Workshop/Lifting-tables/Klemmbolzen-mit-Klemmhebel.html

I managed to get a ton of 80/20 15 series extrusion for cheap a long while ago, so even after all my digging to find that exact item, I don't think it will work for me, even though I really wish it would.  Bummer!  It would be a great addition to my 80/20 mft/3 cart - [attachimg=1]

However, I am waiting to hear back from @Ralph Mignano at Benchdogs UK, as I am hopeful that their fence dogs will effectively do the same thing in terms of allowing me to firmly attach my 15 series 80/20 extrusion to my mft.  https://benchdogs.co.uk/collections/frontpage/products/fence-dogs

I hope this helps anyone else in the US who likes Manor Wood's ideas and wants to further play around with them.  Anything that combines the mft/3 20mm layout with 80/20 always intrigues me, which includes basically everything @Richard/RMW posts haha
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Sean KS on February 20, 2019, 10:38 AM
@supimeister

You can assemble the rail clamps from Veritas and 80/20 and an adjustable lever....

www.leevalley.com/en/Wood/page.aspx?p=59754&cat=1,41637

www.8020.net/shop/14117.html (you'd have to drill the 9mm hole out to accept 1/2"-13 from the dog's specs)

www.jwwinco.com/en-us/products/2.1-Clamping-assembly-onoff-switching-via-levers/Adjustable-hand-levers-tension-levers/GN-300-Zinc-Die-Cast-Adjustable-Levers-Threaded-Stud-Type-with-Steel-Components?gf-thr-min=12.702#Farbe%3Du(1fedce46-061c-4424-881f-ba312c712719)%3Bd1%3Du(a7708d34-1aba-440c-b291-83ee96ef6151)%3Bl1%3Dc(78)%3Bl2%3Dc(20)

80/20 also makes a different type of clamp block that is really cheap to buy as undrilled stock lengths. https://8020.net/shop/8426.html might be worth looking into.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: supimeister on February 20, 2019, 11:25 AM
@Sean KS - that is a great idea, but I am a little hesitant to use any wedge based solution on my mft/3... won't that ruin the integrity of the 20mm hole diameter after a few uses?

Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Sean KS on February 20, 2019, 11:34 AM
@supimeister Oh yea for sure would ream the holes out, the RUWI clamps are designed with a wedge too, thought you were looking to get your hands on that product. I use fence dogs like the BenchDog UK ones, works great, ream free is the way to be.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: supimeister on February 20, 2019, 11:47 AM
Ah, I guess I didn't even notice that.  Well, that about settles it with regards to using the UK option.  Thanks!
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: tallgrass on February 20, 2019, 09:28 PM
I have been using the RUWI products for some time. They are fantastic and I have not noticed any deformation in the MFT hole. You have control how much force they impart on the table and the fit is close to begin with so the loading is even across the hole diameter.  I have the RUWI products fully integrated in my MFT table system. I love it and the speed and versatility is wonderful.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on February 21, 2019, 02:25 PM
RUWI sounds like a perfect addition to the expanding @TSO Products inventory...

 [poke] Hans/Eric

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Michael Kellough on February 21, 2019, 02:54 PM
@tallgrass   Where do you buy RUWI stuff?
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: tallgrass on February 21, 2019, 04:21 PM
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Bort&Herkert GmbH
Ringstraße 45
74626 Bretzfeld-Schwabbach

                +49 (0)7946/9278-56

                tobias.bort@bort-herkert.de


Tobias was fantastic. Their service was top drawer. I bought a ton of stuff from them and they were excellent in all respects. There are links on the responses that Manor wood made in the RUWI MFT thread.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: TSO Products on February 21, 2019, 08:22 PM
RUWI sounds like a perfect addition to the expanding @TSO Products inventory...

 [poke] Hans/Eric

RMW
thanks for the pointer to the RUWI product line, Richard! We are taking note of the general interest in this particular functionality.
Keep the tips and pointers coming, please!

Hans and Eric
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Cheese on February 21, 2019, 09:36 PM
thanks for the pointer to the RUWI product line, Richard! We are taking note of the general interest in this particular functionality.
Keep the tips and pointers coming, please!

Hans...FWIW...I’ve also been looking at some of the RUWI products but have not yet pulled the pin. They manufacture some really interesting items. Perhaps some of those items you could synergistically embellish.  [big grin]
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: TSO Products on February 21, 2019, 10:24 PM
@Cheese  - there is much more for us to do in the workholding area. RUWI's products are serious tools and aim at applications we also have in our sights. They've been on my list to talk to for too long - time to talk with them.
email me which of their items intrigues you if it's not germain to this FOG thread.

Hans
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: tallgrass on February 22, 2019, 01:38 AM
TSO- you should definitely start dealing with RUWI. I have had their products integrated into my shop for some time. My R&D work covers quite a range of materials and machines and the flexibility that their product bring is truly usuful. Being able to buy them in the USA would be very nice. While Tobias is a great guy, I would prefer a shorter procurement scheme. 
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Michael Kellough on February 22, 2019, 10:15 AM
@tallgrass   It would be great if you could illustrate which RUWI things you find most useful and how you use them.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on February 22, 2019, 10:40 AM
RUWI sounds like a perfect addition to the expanding @TSO Products inventory...

 [poke] Hans/Eric

RMW
thanks for the pointer to the RUWI product line, Richard! We are taking note of the general interest in this particular functionality.
Keep the tips and pointers coming, please!

Hans and Eric

Dibs on the first set of MFT/extrusion clamps.  [popcorn]

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Sean KS on February 22, 2019, 10:45 AM
https://www.kipp.com/gb/en/Products/Operating-parts-standard-elements/Clamping-devices/Eccentric-clamp-modules.html

Looks like some of the RUWI gear is available from Kipps standard parts catalogue.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: TSO Products on February 22, 2019, 08:11 PM
RUWI sounds like a perfect addition to the expanding @TSO Products inventory...

 [poke] Hans/Eric

RMW
thanks for the pointer to the RUWI product line, Richard! We are taking note of the general interest in this particular functionality.
Keep the tips and pointers coming, please!

Hans and Eric

Dibs on the first set of MFT/extrusion clamps.  [popcorn]

RMW

@RMA and @tallgrass  - can you provide specifics as to the functionality you are interested in so we know what to look for?
Which RUWI item(s) would you like to see available from TSO?

Hans
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: tallgrass on February 23, 2019, 12:27 AM
I guess I will have to take and post pics.  [scared] I am not sure I can do better than the videos that are made by RUWI and the Examples that Manoor wood has posted in the MFT thread. I will be working on a project in the next couple of days and will try to take some pictures showing how I use them.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Ralph Mignano on February 24, 2019, 05:12 AM
Seeing as this is my all-time favorite thread on all things 80/20, I thought I would share a bit of my recent research.

Manor Wood has several great videos showing his incredible aluminum extrusion miter saw stand and aluminum extrusion mft inspired cutting table.
Miter Saw Stand (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78U_q3Vg-tA)
Manor Wood Mega MFT Work Table (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b139v1-BH0I)

He also has a video highlighting RUWI's new stop rails that are now adaptable for the MFT/3 and lifting tables akin to the Felder FAT300.
RUWI product here - https://ruwi.de/en/produkte/festool-mft3-surface/
Video here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVjgVhR1umU

In this video, beginning around 1:47, he highlights new RUWI dogs that quickly and easily clamp the extrusion to the bench.  I decided I NEEDED this product.

I believe Manor Wood's extrusion is identical to the 40 series from 80/20.  Unfortunately, this product does not exist on the RUWI site, but I did eventually find two sources for it:

https://www.sautershop.de/klemmbolzen-mit-klemmhebel-oe-20-mm-ru-27536?c=15539
I contacted them, and they do ship to the US, though shipping ain't cheap. 

Sautershop also offers a wide variety of other interesting RUWI products - https://www.sautershop.de/multifunktionstische/ruwi-multifunktionstisch/zubehoer-zum-spannen-saegen-bohren/schnellspanner-von-ruwi/

Felder also offers it here - https://us.feldershop.com/en-US/en-US/en-US/Workshop/Lifting-tables/Klemmbolzen-mit-Klemmhebel.html

I managed to get a ton of 80/20 15 series extrusion for cheap a long while ago, so even after all my digging to find that exact item, I don't think it will work for me, even though I really wish it would.  Bummer!  It would be a great addition to my 80/20 mft/3 cart - (Attachment Link)

However, I am waiting to hear back from @Ralph Mignano at Benchdogs UK, as I am hopeful that their fence dogs will effectively do the same thing in terms of allowing me to firmly attach my 15 series 80/20 extrusion to my mft.  https://benchdogs.co.uk/collections/frontpage/products/fence-dogs

I hope this helps anyone else in the US who likes Manor Wood's ideas and wants to further play around with them.  Anything that combines the mft/3 20mm layout with 80/20 always intrigues me, which includes basically everything @Richard/RMW posts haha

Hey.  Just thought id post you some images of the Flag Stops for the 1.5 x 1.5 extrusion,  as for the fence dogs they would be no issue with using them with this extrusion as long as you order the sliding T-nuts (M6)from the extrusion company 8020 inc.

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Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on February 25, 2019, 09:00 AM
RUWI sounds like a perfect addition to the expanding @TSO Products inventory...

 [poke] Hans/Eric

RMW
thanks for the pointer to the RUWI product line, Richard! We are taking note of the general interest in this particular functionality.
Keep the tips and pointers coming, please!

Hans and Eric

Dibs on the first set of MFT/extrusion clamps.  [popcorn]

RMW

@RMA and @tallgrass  - can you provide specifics as to the functionality you are interested in so we know what to look for?
Which RUWI item(s) would you like to see available from TSO?

Hans

@TSO Products Hans generally I'm interested in what I'd call the 20mm fixturing stuff. I don't use an MFT/3 anymore so it'd need to work with 80/20 15 series (8mm slot) and 20/96MM MTF hole pattern. Like:

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I'm willing to pre-order if you need the volume to get to an initial stocking order.

Thanks, love what you guys are doing.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: supimeister on February 25, 2019, 09:23 AM
I would certainly be interested in the same sort of  items, given my use of 80/20 15 series and 20mm mft/3 tops.  I have some 80/20 product en route that I hope to tinker a bit with to try to make a more cost-effective solution for myself, though I know it will not be as fast to use as what RUWI has done.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: rst on February 25, 2019, 02:14 PM
I also would be interested in the RUWI fixturing accessories.  I have a lot of 8020 that I use for all kinds of fixturing. 
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: tallgrass on February 25, 2019, 02:28 PM
yes, the above selection is exactly what you want to integrate into the MFT world. I have these and they are of tremendous value. It fundamentally is the ultimate manifestation of the "MFT dog".
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: TSO Products on February 25, 2019, 11:25 PM
OK, fellows, - thank your for the specifics.
We will follow up on that and get some samples.

It would help to have your complete contact information via PM or email mention  SUBJECT: RUWI so I can get back to each of you who are interested in this specialty topic. Please include your FOG name so I can connect the dots.

Hans
hans@tsoproducts.com
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Cheese on February 25, 2019, 11:45 PM
OK, fellows, - thank your for the specifics.
We will follow up on that and get some samples.

Color me in Hans....I’ve been eye balling this stuff for the last 8-9 months.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: blaszcsj on February 26, 2019, 12:30 PM
Agreed. Just difficult to find a vendor in the states.

OK, fellows, - thank your for the specifics.
We will follow up on that and get some samples.

Color me in Hans....I’ve been eye balling this stuff for the last 8-9 months.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: ben_r_ on February 26, 2019, 12:37 PM
More options for 80/20?! Oh yea!
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Svar on February 26, 2019, 01:24 PM
Agreed. Just difficult to find a vendor in the states.
Color me in Hans....I’ve been eye balling this stuff for the last 8-9 months.
There. It has been in US for a long time:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/80-20-Inc-T-Slot-Zinc-Economy-Angle-Clamp-Block-40-Series-14117-N/371952381973?hash=item569a16f015:g:6jMAAOSwYlRZGyhU:rk:1:pf:1&frcectupt=true

http://www.leevalley.com/en/Wood/page.aspx?p=59754&cat=1,41637

http://www.leevalley.com/en/hardware/page.aspx?p=45034&cat=3,43576,61994,45034

You can assemble those hold downs yourself with minimal efforts.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: rvieceli on February 26, 2019, 02:09 PM
@Cheese

In addition to Svar’s links take a look at JW Winco they are great source for all sorts of these widgets and things.

https://www.jwwinco.com/en-us/home

Ron
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on February 26, 2019, 03:21 PM
Agreed. Just difficult to find a vendor in the states.
Color me in Hans....I’ve been eye balling this stuff for the last 8-9 months.
There. It has been in US for a long time:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/80-20-Inc-T-Slot-Zinc-Economy-Angle-Clamp-Block-40-Series-14117-N/371952381973?hash=item569a16f015:g:6jMAAOSwYlRZGyhU:rk:1:pf:1&frcectupt=true

http://www.leevalley.com/en/Wood/page.aspx?p=59754&cat=1,41637

http://www.leevalley.com/en/hardware/page.aspx?p=45034&cat=3,43576,61994,45034

You can assemble those hold downs yourself with minimal efforts.

Unfortunately the 80/20 clamp block only appears to be available in 40 series and all my 15 series profiles are ~2mm smaller. Since the slot us the same 8mm it won't snug the 15 down properly. "F" is 15.9mm - the dimension is 15mm on the 1.5" profiles:

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Probably the same on the RUWI profiles. Not impossible to knock off .9mm.

I'm mostly interested in the 20mm dog clamp gadgets.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Sean KS on February 26, 2019, 05:49 PM
@Richard/RMW

https://8020.net/shop/4468.html A little different style but the same function. Made for 15.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Michael Kellough on February 26, 2019, 07:40 PM
@Cheese

In addition to Svar’s links take a look at JW Winco they are great source for all sorts of these widgets and things.

https://www.jwwinco.com/en-us/home

Ron

Could be fun (but time consuming) Easter Egg hunt since a search for RUWI at Winco returns 0 products.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on February 27, 2019, 08:25 AM
@Richard/RMW

https://8020.net/shop/4468.html A little different style but the same function. Made for 15.

Thanks @Sean KS - I think someone mentioned that profile by the inch earlier and I plumb forgot about it. I did check their eBay store where I get most of my stuff and it wasn't there, I'll have to order a couple feet of it from them and experiment.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on February 27, 2019, 08:29 AM
@Cheese

In addition to Svar’s links take a look at JW Winco they are great source for all sorts of these widgets and things.

https://www.jwwinco.com/en-us/home

Ron

This is right up my alley...

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[doh]

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Michael Kellough on February 27, 2019, 09:00 AM
Berkey System is another option for adjustable fittings. These are the top choice for camera rigging. Don’t know how prices compare.

Store.berkeysystem.com
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Svar on February 27, 2019, 12:37 PM
I did check their eBay store where I get most of my stuff and it wasn't there,
It is there:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/80-20-Inc-T-Slot-Aluminum-Standard-Angle-Clamp-Block-15-Series-4468-N/371041587044?hash=item5663cd4f64:g:ueMAAOSwIQdZGxsa:rk:1:pf:1&frcectupt=true
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on February 27, 2019, 01:17 PM
I did check their eBay store where I get most of my stuff and it wasn't there,
It is there:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/80-20-Inc-T-Slot-Aluminum-Standard-Angle-Clamp-Block-15-Series-4468-N/371041587044?hash=item5663cd4f64:g:ueMAAOSwIQdZGxsa:rk:1:pf:1&frcectupt=true

Saw that, but they also sell the extrusion by the inch for around $0.50/". Being cheap I figured I'd grab a couple of feet and then whack it up & bore my own holes. the raw extrusion isn't on the eBay store unless I somehow missed it.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: rst on February 27, 2019, 07:45 PM
I've contacted 8020 by messaging through the Ebay store to purchase material not listed.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Cheese on February 27, 2019, 11:08 PM
@Cheese

In addition to Svar’s links take a look at JW Winco they are great source for all sorts of these widgets and things.

https://www.jwwinco.com/en-us/home

Ron

Thanks Ron @rvieceli , for the info. I haven’t had the opportunity to check it out because I’m still shoveling snow.  [eek]  It was also my mom’s 95th birthday 🎂 so other priorities prevailed, as they should.  [smile]
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: tdwilli1 on March 03, 2019, 06:49 PM
Here is what I've been working on the last week. Parts will arrive tomorrow. Am building two of these. Still need to add fold out wing extensions.

https://youtu.be/aNMbMydPM1g
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Upcoaster on March 04, 2019, 11:28 PM
Greetings from Washougal, Washington!

Firstly, I should confess that I don't own any Festool products.  I found my way to this most fascinating community by way of Pinterest!  (Crazy, right?).

We moved into our newly built house in April and our outbuilding was just completed last month. Within it, I'll have a dream space (24'x24') to create my wood shop.  I have a lot of work to do to erect some partition walls, install insulation and a lot of electrical work before I'll be able to un-mothball all of my wood shop stuff that's currently stored in a 20' land/sea container (my previous shop space) that sits at the other end of our property.

I've been sketching on some workbench ideas (getting a little ahead of myself) which lead me to Pinterest.  To my surprise, I found some aluminum extrusion-based workbench builds and many of them were credited as coming from this site! I was intrigued and just had to create me a login and introduce myself.

I had to box up my shop almost three years ago when I got re-married and moved. While I was cleaning out to move and hauling some stuff to a salvage place, they had a huge bench made from 8020 and I bought it for cheap, broke it down and stowed it. Even though I was supposed to be pairing down my possessions and cleaning out, I couldn't resist snapping up some of that material. 

Also, several years before that, I worked at an electronics manufacturing plant that closed down and I managed to procure a few retired benches and fixtures made from 8020 that I've used to create various things in my shop. Most of it will get dis-assembled when I un-pack it and re-purposed for shop v2.0!!

Hopefully y'all don't mind my lurking despite my lack of 'qualifications' (not exactly a card carrying Festool guy). 

To answer the original question at the top of this post, "What have YOU been doing with 8020 in your shop?" I thought I'd share a glimpse of my router table where I've incorporated 8020. This is my favorite shop-built workstation of all time.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: rst on March 05, 2019, 07:43 AM
Welcome to the group and congratulations.  You're router station is great.  I must warn you however that this group is incredibly hard on a bank account. Under no circumstances buy one of Festool's sanders and use it with dust collection or you will be subjected to a life long addiction.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: tdwilli1 on March 05, 2019, 09:54 AM
Greetings from Washougal, Washington!

To answer the original question at the top of this post, "What have YOU been doing with 8020 in your shop?" I thought I'd share a glimpse of my router table where I've incorporated 8020. This is my favorite shop-built workstation of all time.

Welcome - I'm from Tualatin and just got done designing a similar router table with Linear Bearings! Will be attaching my Woodpeckers Router Fence to the bearings. Got the profiles ordered yesterday.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Upcoaster on March 05, 2019, 11:11 PM
Thanks for the Welcome, guys!!

David in Washougal
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Cheese on March 05, 2019, 11:37 PM
Here’s just a shout-out on the 80/20 stuff. I placed another order for some 80/20 stuff today on both their web site and also on their eBay website. Interestingly enough the individual item pricing was comparable between both web sites but the shipping was almost $10 more on their eBay website.

This was also the case the last time I ordered about 3 weeks ago. Just a FWIW...
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: tallgrass on March 06, 2019, 01:52 AM
I have ordered from 80/20 and their ebay store and have noticed some interesting pricing differences. I have noticed quite a savings on the pre-cut from ebay in terms of the cost of the rail, but the shipping is different in how it scales. My last order which arrived today was for 15-30-24'. The ebay price was half price and the shipping was a little more. That was for 24 pieces. I am making rolling MFT tables.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on March 06, 2019, 07:20 AM
I gather all the eBay purchases into my cart and then use the Request Total option, shipping to the NJ shore has been surprisingly inexpensive. At times I'd buy 8' sticks and they'd box everything up and ship UPS. Tim the UPS guy gets cookies and a gift card every Christmas.

They've also added on stuff that wasn't on the eBay store, had forgotten about that until someone mentioned it on this thread.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: AndrewG on March 17, 2019, 10:49 PM
Just wondering if anyone has come up with a way to attach a measurement scale to the 80/20? I’m thinking of using it as a MFT fence?

Many thanks,
Andy
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: rst on March 18, 2019, 08:24 AM
I use industrial stick on tapes, I have 16'ers one on both sides of my saw used for prepping storefront aluminum, and 8'ers on either side of my Makita slider at home.  I made my extensions with 8020 extrusions and my scale is attached to their triangular extrusion.
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Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Cheese on March 18, 2019, 10:23 AM
Just wondering if anyone has come up with a way to attach a measurement scale to the 80/20? I’m thinking of using it as a MFT fence?

Starrett makes self adhesive tapes available in imperial and metric.

Also available in L to R and R to L measurement.

http://us.test.starrett.com/category/jobsite--shop-tools/measure-stix/310105#currentPage=1&displayMode=grid&itemsPerPage=12&sortBy=wp/asc






Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: DustyTools on March 18, 2019, 11:08 AM
Just wondering if anyone has come up with a way to attach a measurement scale to the 80/20? I’m thinking of using it as a MFT fence?

Starrett makes self adhesive tapes available in imperial and metric.

Also available in L to R and R to L measurement.

http://us.test.starrett.com/category/jobsite--shop-tools/measure-stix/310105#currentPage=1&displayMode=grid&itemsPerPage=12&sortBy=wp/asc

Starrett’s are too wide. Kreg’s do fit perfectly but they are costly.


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dusty.tools
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: tallgrass on March 19, 2019, 03:37 AM
Costly? More expensive than cutting mistakes. More expensive than the time lost looking for an economical alternative. I am not saying money means nothing, however unless one's time is worth very little, I would argue save you time , get what you need and move forward. 2cents
 
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Mario Turcot on March 19, 2019, 09:15 AM
L.V. (http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=70539&cat=1,43455,53293) have 8 different auto adhesive tapes

L to R, R to L, Imperial, Metric, 1/2", 3/4"

From 14$ to 17$ each

P.S. I suggest that you use nail varnish on each ends to prevent peeling.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: RightAngleDesign on March 19, 2019, 10:54 AM
Regarding cutting aluminum, I've spent considerable time cutting 6061 with my Kapex and table saw for my own work tables. I bought blades designed for cutting aluminum from Forrest for both. Though many will remind us that it's not very hard, aluminum is "sticky" in a machining sort of way, and I've found that a product called Tap Magic Aluminum is ideal for smoothing both the cutting action and the result. You still need to proceed carefully and make certain you secure the material.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Cheese on March 19, 2019, 11:34 AM
Regarding cutting aluminum, I've spent considerable time cutting 6061 with my Kapex and table saw for my own work tables. I bought blades designed for cutting aluminum from Forrest for both. Though many will remind us that it's not very hard, aluminum is "sticky" in a machining sort of way, and I've found that a product called Tap Magic Aluminum is ideal for smoothing both the cutting action and the result.

I used to use Tap Magic but it gets a bit messy, I now use this Milwaukee soap/wax for the last 4-5 years on the band saw and the 14" chop saw. I just rub it on the blade every couple of cuts.

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: DustyTools on March 19, 2019, 12:23 PM
Costly? More expensive than cutting mistakes. More expensive than the time lost looking for an economical alternative. I am not saying money means nothing, however unless one's time is worth very little, I would argue save you time , get what you need and move forward. 2cents
Fair point we are on the Festool forum discussing 80/20. $15 for an adhesive tape is a rounding error :)


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dusty.tools
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on May 05, 2019, 09:28 PM
Finally had time (& weather) this weekend to pull off a major usability improvement in the tiny shop. This has been brewing for a while and I got energized last month by @Cheese thread (http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/routingmilling-8020-for-festool-clamps-using-an-mfs-a-1010/msg575695/#msg575695) on routing access slots into the 80/20 extrusion for Festool clamps.

What this lead to was adding a worktop along the entire rear wall (~11-1/2') of the shop so I had room for most of my benchtop tools while leaving room underneath for storage. I've been so focused on making everything portable on casters that I lost sight of how friggin' great it is to have large fixed work areas.

Setting the stage - a badly overcrowded 10' by 12' shop:

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The new work surface, which is vastly improved using the 1515 extrusion:

[attachimg=2]

Total of 3 ~48" sections, laminated 2X 18mm ply for rigidity, only 2 legs @ the joints with everything else anchored to the walls.

[attachimg=3]

The beauty of this is the height is 40" w/ a total top thickness of 2" leaving me ~38" underneath. Years ago I standardized all my carts/cabinets @ 37" so now any of the old stuff can just roll underneath for storage:

[attachimg=4]

Clamps slide in the Cheese-inspired routed slots:

[attachimg=5]

Already had some French cleat tool holders I use on the MFT cart:

[attachimg=6]

[attachimg=7]

[attachimg=8]

A side benefit to the new work surface, which I wasn't really focused on, is using all the stuff designed to attach to 80/20 & French cleats:

[attachimg=9]

[attachimg=10]

[attachimg=11]

Totally excited to think I'll be able to use the bench tools without having to move something first.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: neilc on May 05, 2019, 10:14 PM

That looks great.  Like the french cleats and how you use on the wall as well as the front of the bench!

I see you have a Swag table on your portaband.  I have one as well.  Thinking about making two bench top tables for the sides for holding stock that is longer or when I want to cut an accurate angle.

I just made this table using a Dewalt battery operated portaband, a Swag table and a MIG welder with a battery powered hand grinder.

Amazing what you can do with patience and a few tools.  Excited to see what's next coming out of your shop!  Thanks for sharing!

neil
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: rvieceli on May 05, 2019, 10:43 PM
Very nice Richard.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Cheese on May 05, 2019, 10:56 PM
Richard I’m impressed and I don’t impress easily.  [smile]

Great job and I’m humbled with your tenacity to turn an area that’s the size of a postage stamp into a full fledged shop. Kudos to you.   [big grin] [big grin]

Every day I P&M about how small my 30’ x 20’ shop is and then you post this and by all means your shop is a totally functional facility which includes welding facilities.

I need to just give thanks for what I have and to reinvent the space. Thanks for the post. I’ll endeavor to do better in the future.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on May 06, 2019, 08:21 AM

That looks great.  Like the french cleats and how you use on the wall as well as the front of the bench!

I see you have a Swag table on your portaband.  I have one as well.  Thinking about making two bench top tables for the sides for holding stock that is longer or when I want to cut an accurate angle.

I just made this table using a Dewalt battery operated portaband, a Swag table and a MIG welder with a battery powered hand grinder.

Amazing what you can do with patience and a few tools.  Excited to see what's next coming out of your shop!  Thanks for sharing!

neil

@neilc I like the herringbone pattern, assume you are adding a glass top? I have a couple more slabs squirreled away & once I finish the current one for a niece I plan to tackle a particularly beautiful maple crotch for our home. Tables have been the shop specialty for the past several years but I'm burning out on live edges since they have become the YT rage. I really want to explore some more artistic metalwork and push myself to beyond my utility trailer building level of skill.

The legs for this one, which I'm only middelin' happy with the design of, are underneath the welding table waiting for patina and the top to be finished:

[attachimg=1]

[attachimg=2]

Yep the FC TS55 thingie has saved the saw from being tugged off the cart by the retractor on the hose/cord countless times. Next up is a simple/small FC router table attachment for the DW palm routers.

Like @Cheese I am fortunate to have the space and tools I that do, no complaints however I am sometimes wistful when I recall the former ~800 SF-ish shop I left behind in PA. Trade off required to live @ the shore.

I've been seriously impressed by what the current crowd of welding/makers can do with a 4.5" grinder, a couple files & a buzz box. It's given me a severe inferiority complex considering the riches I have available to work with.

Buried under the welding cart is a cold chop saw that does most cutting but the portaband makes short work of smaller or more intricate metalwork. I upgraded to DeWalt 20V/60V last year and added the small bandsaw but the tool that's gotten the most work is the 4.5" grinder. Cordless is the only way to go IMHO.

Adding the welding tools really sidetracked me for about a year, reorganizing to make room to actually be able to work. Now it's time to get back to using the space/tools to actually make cool stuff. Spring is the best time around here for so many reasons, not least that I can move projects outdoors when the rain-gods permit.

Thanks all.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on May 06, 2019, 08:24 AM
Richard I’m impressed and I don’t impress easily.  [smile]

Great job and I’m humbled with your tenacity to turn an area that’s the size of a postage stamp into a full fledged shop. Kudos to you.   [big grin] [big grin]

Every day I P&M about how small my 30’ x 20’ shop is and then you post this and by all means your shop is a totally functional facility which includes welding facilities.

I need to just give thanks for what I have and to reinvent the space. Thanks for the post. I’ll endeavor to do better in the future.

Aw shucks & geeze... & thank you.

Been following the LED's thread, thank you for making that knowledge available. I didn't realize heat was the issue it is until you posted your work. That'll probably keep a lot of us from making costly mistakes.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: neilc on May 06, 2019, 08:29 AM
Richard -  the table is for a TV.  No glass. Just open top.
I think of it as the table you’ll never have to dust!

I like the foot detail on your welded base. 
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on May 06, 2019, 08:33 AM
Richard -  the table is for a TV.  No glass. Just open top.
I think of it as the table you’ll never have to dust!

I like the foot detail on your welded base.

Even better Neil, I'm not a fan of glass tops since every time I pass one I'm tempted to clean it...

Thanks,

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: rvieceli on May 06, 2019, 09:14 AM
Richard I follow a few welders on Instagram. These two are among the stand outs.

This guy can make a weld disappear. @blend_fabrication

This one if you like to see the welds in all their glory. @focusonthearc

Take a look.

Ron
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Michael Kellough on May 06, 2019, 10:11 AM
I like the X legs!

Your new work surface is inspiring me to build an 80/20 frame around my newly relocated washer/dryer. That way I can salvage some lost space. (Giving part of my shop to my wife)
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Cheese on May 06, 2019, 11:00 AM

I just made this table using a Dewalt battery operated portaband, a Swag table and a MIG welder with a battery powered hand grinder.


Nice job on the table neil...I like the herringbone in-fill.   [big grin]  I concur with using the RA grinder. I use a Milwaukee M18 for everything. 95% of the time it wears either a PFERD flap disc, a .040" cut-off wheel or a diamond wheel for smoothing concrete & stone. I've sold all of my corded RA grinders.

I need to check out the Swag table. My Milwaukee band saw is in a Milwaukee table but that is an old school style that was designed for cutting pipe.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: rvieceli on May 06, 2019, 12:39 PM
@Cheese I have been thinking about this saw:

https://www.trick-tools.com/Femi_782XL_Benchtop_Mitering_Bandsaw_F_782XL_000_00_0_000_2209?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4bGOuauH4gIVgobACh0YuASzEAQYASABEgLjBPD_BwE

Ron
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on May 06, 2019, 07:50 PM
@Cheese I have been thinking about this saw:

https://www.trick-tools.com/Femi_782XL_Benchtop_Mitering_Bandsaw_F_782XL_000_00_0_000_2209?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4bGOuauH4gIVgobACh0YuASzEAQYASABEgLjBPD_BwE

Ron

I have the cheap WEN version cluttering up my office if anyone wants to take it off my hands cheap. Thought it'd replace the chop saw and portaband. Nope.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: rvieceli on May 06, 2019, 09:22 PM
Obviously what would be really nice is this HEM 260 BSA but I don’t have the room or a spare $9000 laying around.

https://www.redlinestands.com/catalog/shop-equipment-c-327/general-shop-equipment-c-327_335/benchtop-bandsaw-c-327_335_360/femi-hem-saw-260bsa-double-miter-bandsaw-p-2712

The HEM 782 gets pretty good reviews for what it is. This one is probably a bit more robust but it’s 2.5 times the cost.

https://www.trick-tools.com/Femi_NG120XL_Benchtop_Mitering_Bandsaw_F_008485_001_00_2211

Ron
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Cheese on May 07, 2019, 09:53 AM
@Cheese I have been thinking about this saw:

https://www.trick-tools.com/Femi_782XL_Benchtop_Mitering_Bandsaw_F_782XL_000_00_0_000_2209?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4bGOuauH4gIVgobACh0YuASzEAQYASABEgLjBPD_BwE


That's interesting Ron...never heard of Femi before. All of their tools, even the inexpensive ones, appear to be made in Italy.  [smile]  I like the blade guides but I really like how the throat size is adjustable for a better cut. The old Milwaukee/Portaband models don't have that feature.

Femi also offers M42 bandsaw blades. [thumbs up] [thumbs up]  That's probably the reason they state you can cut stainless with it.

One thing to note though if you are interested in purchasing the 782XL, the 2-speed model will NOT cut stainless as the blade speed is too high. You need to purchase the variable speed model.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on May 12, 2019, 08:27 PM
Yahoo! Houston, we have ignition.

Just to round out the shop usability update, I had a chance yesterday work in the new layout and... it works.

I actually used the bandsaw, disk sander & drill press along with the welding table without needing to move anything outside the 4 walls.  In my world, this counts as success. I can reposition the bench tools as needed/if needed depending on type/length of materials:

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I think I'll move the CNC (now at the LH corner of the new worktop) over to the right into the dead corner area above to the welding table which should make the bench tools even more usable without moving anything. 

Welding table in use:

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Steel storage - I got a wee bit over enthusiastic when I bought the welder, happens when I visit Joseph Fazzio's. 500# or more of steel that's been standing in the corner now has a home:

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And everything's back in its place at the end of the day:

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I did have a disappointment when I thought I'd finally have a place to use the Z-vise. What's wrong with this picture?

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For the first time in I don't know how long there is nothing in the shop that doesn't have its own at least semi-permanent place. Feels good, and just in time for spring/summer shop season. We even got the flowers, 'maters & peppas planted, our Mom's day tradition.

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Happy M-Day to any moms out there.

RMW

Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: TSO Products on May 12, 2019, 08:59 PM
Richard - I can't believe I'm seeing what I'm seeing!
You have sent some serious time thinking this through. The homs shop equivalent of the TINY HOUSE movement.

Thank you for sharing this inspiration.

Hans
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: rvieceli on May 12, 2019, 09:16 PM
Looks good Richard. On the vise, is it just handle hitting the work bench? Can you get rid of the handle and substitute something that you could use a ratchet and a socket on?

Ron
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Cheese on May 12, 2019, 10:31 PM
Nice stuff Richard...although I do think the Milwaukee chop deserves a better position than being just 2" above high tide.  [poke] [poke]
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Bob D. on May 13, 2019, 04:47 AM
Fazzio's is a great place isn't it Rich. Been going there for 30+ years, back when it was just a hole in the wall and nothing but surplus and nuts-n-bolts.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: jaguar36 on May 13, 2019, 06:46 AM
Does Fazzio's have 80/20?
I've frequently bought Aluminum there, but haven't seen any in the front section.

How do you guys buy steel when you go there?  Do you have to call first and get a quote?  I like their Al section where you can just go and pick out what you want.
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on May 13, 2019, 08:25 AM
Richard - I can't believe I'm seeing what I'm seeing!
You have sent some serious time thinking this through. The homs shop equivalent of the TINY HOUSE movement.

Thank you for sharing this inspiration.

Hans

Thanks Hans, high praise coming from you. There's another thread (http://festoolownersgroup.com/workshops-and-mobile-vehicle-based-shops/small-shopmodular-work-surfaces-(aka-how-to-cram-10-in-a-5-sack-)/?all#lastPost) that started in 2014 when the shop refurb began. 2014!?!

It kind of died off a couple years ago, these recent posts are rightfully part of that conversation but 80/20 is tangled throughout.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on May 13, 2019, 08:27 AM
Looks good Richard. On the vise, is it just handle hitting the work bench? Can you get rid of the handle and substitute something that you could use a ratchet and a socket on?

Ron

Yup. Not fun opening it 1/2 revolution at a time. The ratchet is a great idea, might be a project to adapt a ratcheting box wrench into a handle.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on May 13, 2019, 08:28 AM
Nice stuff Richard...although I do think the Milwaukee chop deserves a better position than being just 2" above high tide.  [poke] [poke]

Go ahead, rub it in...

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on May 13, 2019, 08:30 AM
Fazzio's is a great place isn't it Rich. Been going there for 30+ years, back when it was just a hole in the wall and nothing but surplus and nuts-n-bolts.

Perhaps I'll see you there. I'll be the guy wandering around the surplus area Saturday mornings with the dazed look & drool puddle...

Only storage space and lack of a 40' flatbed have saved me so far.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on May 13, 2019, 08:35 AM
Does Fazzio's have 80/20?
I've frequently bought Aluminum there, but haven't seen any in the front section.

How do you guys buy steel when you go there?  Do you have to call first and get a quote?  I like their Al section where you can just go and pick out what you want.

@jaguar36 negative on the 80/20, darn it.

Their material lists are online, I peruse the list before going and pick out stuff that's stocked in 5-6' sections for ease of handling. Just go to the counter with your list and they take the order, then go browse the store until they call to let you know it's ready. You can add AL to the haul when you go to pay for the steel. Pay and load.

FWIW all the non-Bargain steel seems to be around $1/# on average.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Cheese on May 13, 2019, 09:36 AM
A few questions Richard...

What model Miller is that?

I really like the Zyliss  [big grin]  It just mounts to the 80/20?  Will it accommodate both 15 series and 40 series?

If you have an opening on the LH side of the table, could you pull the Zyliss apart and reassemble it so the handle would be on the LH side of the vise rather than on the RH side?

If not, you could always mount a socket on an extra cordless drill and have at it.

I also really like those X slab legs you made. Very nice.  [big grin]  Are they stainless?
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on May 13, 2019, 12:04 PM
A few questions Richard...

What model Miller is that?

I really like the Zyliss  [big grin]  It just mounts to the 80/20?  Will it accommodate both 15 series and 40 series?

If you have an opening on the LH side of the table, could you pull the Zyliss apart and reassemble it so the handle would be on the LH side of the vise rather than on the RH side?

If not, you could always mount a socket on an extra cordless drill and have at it.

I also really like those X slab legs you made. Very nice.  [big grin]  Are they stainless?

@Cheese the Miller is 211, 115/230M MIG only. Really nice welder, years ago I had a 230V only Miller that was 5 times the size and this one on 230V lays down as nice a bead. Also had a 115V Miller that SS Sandy got, was never happy with it as I couldn't get good penetration.

Really debated MIG versus AC/DC TIG for the ability to weld AL & steel. The 215 is a similar machine with AC TIG added so still steel only. Finally went with what I was familiar with (pull trigger-weld steel) with plans to add a dedicated AC/DC TIG machine someday.

The Z vise clamps open to about 1-7/8" so they'll fit 40mm no problem. Yes the vice can be configured either RH or LH, but it's really meant to be used at the end of a bench rather than the middle hence the handle problem.

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Thanks, the legs are just bare carbon steel waiting for patina and lacquer. I'm pretty surprised they haven't developed surface rust by now since they sat under that table all winter.

RMW
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Bob D. on May 13, 2019, 04:26 PM
It's changed somewhat from the way it used to be years ago. The Al shed you could walk in and everything was there and you gathered up what you wanted, weighed it, got a slip and went inside and paid.

Now that they have expanded and become a full industrial supply house with an expanded range and selection of metals, you go to the desk and order what you want, one of their people will assemble the order, you pay and load out.

Prices for most metals are posted on the wall.

The old hardware store and the nut & bolt room are still there, but the new side of the place has taken over most of the traffic there I would say.

Their online catalog give fairly easy to navigate. And you can order online and have material shipped to you I believe. They have an operation in Delaware too just after you cross the bridge. Never stopped in there though.

https://www.shopjfi.com/
Title: Re: More fun with 80/20...??
Post by: Richard/RMW on May 22, 2019, 09:01 AM
This place is darned near spacious when it's in the 60's and sunny.

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Even have a new miter saw station...

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Bench tools rearranged so everything can now be pulled forward and used, pushed back to clear a little worktop:

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Sunday we managed to get one of last years projects assembled and ready to install, an outdoor screen panel for our font deck to improve the appearance of (conceal) our neighbor's front porch.

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I did have to break out the steel-toed flip-flops. Looks to be sunny and 60-70's all thru the coming holiday weekend.  [not worthy]

RMW