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Title: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: sebcbien on August 27, 2016, 10:24 PM
Here is a video of my prototype of thickness adapter for the Festool DOMINO XL.

This solution solves two problems of the domishim.

I show you the use of the prototype for stock of 12 and 22 milimeters

The final product will have three plates to cover all common stock thickness:
Plate 1:  12 -22 mm
Plate 2:  9 - 18 -38 mm
Plate 3:  15 - 25 mm
It's easy to make also plate for imperial measurements. 1/2" 3/4" ...

It's only a prototype and I have still work to do to have the final product.

So please give your advice below and say if you would be interested by the final product.

Here is the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGiKlTCU1rM
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: simo.ahtola@netikka.fi on August 28, 2016, 03:37 AM
Hei,

Looks good, something I have been looking for.

Definetely interested to buy.

BR Simo
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: thylaxene on August 30, 2016, 07:28 PM
Yeah certainly interested in a released product.

Cheers.
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: Joe_Blaze on August 30, 2016, 09:44 PM
Definitely interested in purchasing your adapter. Currently using the Seneca tools option, but it is slow to change, so your solution looks good.
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: promark747 on August 30, 2016, 11:35 PM
Yes, definitely interested...my only concern would be making the tabs that hold it in place sturdy enough not to break/bend with repeated use and removal.
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: sebcbien on September 03, 2016, 09:14 PM
Hello everyone :-)
About the concern of the clips, yes, it's possible with clips but probably not for 1000 of install/removal.
A new prototype with a new system to hold the plate is being tested, this one is "unbreakable"  [wink]
I will ship the first 20 samples at a discount price but will ask for feedback.
Stay tuned  [big grin]
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: dalep on September 04, 2016, 05:55 AM
Add me to the interested pile ;-)

Dale
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: c_dwyer on September 04, 2016, 10:15 AM
Sebcbien - I'm also very much interested, but have a few questions myself. Durability of the clips is certainly an interest, although it might be good for the non-production/occasional user (hard plastic version) vs. production (Seneca's version) based on the frequency of on/off's. However, cost is also going to be a major factor for both groups. If it's inexpensive enough, perhaps even the production users would do okay if the total on/off's before breaking saves a lot of time in the long run.  Back to the cost/benefit thing.  Just thinking without knowing, which is often not good in my case  [big grin].
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: TSO Products on September 04, 2016, 10:51 AM
durability of the clips is a function of the clip "design" - not the fact that a thermoplastic material is being used. It would help to see a close up of the clip design along with the interface of the DF700 with that feature.
Hans
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: Sal LiVecchi on September 04, 2016, 12:48 PM
Add me to the list for sure
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: sebcbien on September 04, 2016, 03:34 PM
Hi,
I'm actually testing a design with superstrong magnets included in the boards.
The boards are light and when using the plate, the force applied by the domino on the plate is not against the magnets, I think I have there an unbreakabe solution  [smile]
I'm also testing if it's better to have a flat surface or a surface like this one:
Any advice ?
(https://cdn.manomano.fr/butee-additionnelle-pour-fraiseuse-domino-za-df-500-festool-495666-P-84958-274942_1.jpg)
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: Vandal on September 05, 2016, 09:53 PM
I like the smooth surface but the surface texture isn't as important as ease of use. I think the clip on version you showed in the video was on point. If the clips are breaking easily then I understand the design change. You could go with a metal clip that snaps into the base so that if it breaks you can replace it easily.
when you have something worked out I would like a discounted one to test.
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: sebcbien on September 11, 2016, 05:55 PM
Hi,
Here is the state of the project:
I'm trying to make the design more durable, so no clips anymore but magnets.
I've made two prototypes, it works quite well, but the design needs improvement to be easier to produce without too much manual "cleaning" work after the printing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkRCm46oLgY
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: ANILE8 on October 20, 2016, 05:17 AM
I am interested in this adapter, any updates to when you think it maybe ready for market?
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: Northernenv on October 21, 2016, 10:37 AM
I would definitely be interested in purchasing the adapter.  Please keep me informed when it becomes available.
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: sebcbien on November 08, 2016, 10:08 AM
Hello everyone,
Sorry for not giving more news, hard times here and one big project to finish.
My 3D printer died, I have to change the extruder.
The prototypes are almost finished, I just have to find a glue that works well between magnets and ABS plastic.
I'll keep you informed :-)
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: Woodkrafts on November 08, 2016, 11:15 PM
I glued magnets to corian with corian glue, its a 2-part acrylic monomer adhesives. Super glue suppose to work too.
Not 100% it works with ABS plastic. But I give it a try.
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: sebcbien on December 18, 2016, 03:45 PM
Hello everyone,
Just to keep you informed that the project is not dead.
I had many problemns with my previous 3D printer, with some broken pieces but also a precision not able to produce repetitively good prints.
Now I have bought a new ultimaker 2. and also an adapter for domino 500 bits.
Hopefully after those holidays I will be able to produce a final product and ship.
Have great holidays !!  [big grin]
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: ANILE8 on February 25, 2017, 04:08 PM
Hello, can we expect something to be available for ordering soon, are your holidays over?

Don't mind waiting if we know something is for sure in the pipeline (please provide an expected shipment date) but this project seems to have taken a long time with no end in sight. If this won't be happening I will have to find an alternative solution although I would prefer your adapter much more.



Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: sebcbien on February 25, 2017, 04:31 PM
Hi, Yes, I got something that works, but time flies, sorry, I do not find the time to make a video, I will do IT NOW !
But without Voice.
I finaly ended with a prototype that "snaps" to the plate of the festool without magnets.
I also made those enclosures to put magnets in... so you can chose to cut one sytem and keep the other one or keep booth.
One main problem that I forsee is the price. To have a good quality piece, it takes 4 hours to print.
Printing costs around 10€/hour... without magnets and my time to clean start, ship...
This means The price should be around 60 euro
I have to try to print two plate at the same time to reduce the cost, I'm not sure people will pay 60 euro + port for this...
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: sebcbien on February 25, 2017, 05:39 PM
as promised:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNfSikGc2LQ
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: sebcbien on February 25, 2017, 06:45 PM
if interrested to buy one, please Personal Message me
I will do the first 10 orders at printing cost.
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: Paul G on February 26, 2017, 10:36 AM
Hard to see for sure on the video, but how much contact is there between the spacer and the tool?
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: sebcbien on February 26, 2017, 01:57 PM
I'm not sure to understand your question.
The plate is in full contact with the fence of the df700. The plate is very hard.
For building prototypes, I sometimes used design that uses less material to save money.
I've posted below some pics of the printing process of prototypes.
the white parts are supports to help support the bridges (parts of the object that do not have something below)
The white stuffs are then dissolved in water after the printing.
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: Paul G on February 26, 2017, 09:54 PM
I'm viewing the vid from my iphone so it's difficult to tell if the cross shaped posts were supporting the flat plate or if the full flat plate is in direct full contact with the steel
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: sebcbien on February 26, 2017, 10:18 PM
the cross are there to center the plate trough the holes in the fence of the df700
the plate is in full contact then and the height is very precise
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: Vondawg on March 02, 2017, 12:39 AM
Can't pm you using current name.
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: sebcbien on March 02, 2017, 06:36 AM
Strange, I received already a lot of PM ??? Sorry, I prefer not putting my email here  [unsure]
I will take time this weekend to respond to all of them.
Thanks
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: Kuukkeli on March 29, 2017, 11:26 AM
I am waiting for the 4mm thick adapter plate to be delivered and actually same applies to DF 700  ::). Meanwhile, I think this is great solution, and so much faster to be installed and taken off than Domiplate. It also allows you to use fence height setting for different positioning.  I can not wait to hear experiences from other users. Comments, anyone?
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: sebcbien on April 12, 2017, 05:36 PM
hello,
Kuukkeli had a idea to enhance the thickness adapter.
the idea is to make a small piece of 3d printed thicknesses to modify the height of the fence to match perfectly other material height.
So I made some calculations and found a combinaison where with one plate and this cros  shaped piece the df700 can match those material heights: 30mm - 25mm - 22mm - 19mm (3/4 inch) - 18mm - 15mm - 13mm (1/2 inch) - 12mm
Here are some pics of a prototype:


Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: thlambermont on July 27, 2017, 12:09 PM
Hello everybody,

I'm new on the forum ! I'm looking for a way to use my domino XL nn finer thicknesses and I really like your prototype.
I made a fast prototype to change "clips". What do you think about it? I use the same process design as the LA-DF 500/700.

Here for exemple I used a wooden piece of 12mm. This way I can center the domino on a 16mm mdf board.

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Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: thlambermont on July 28, 2017, 03:26 AM
It should be improved (a lot) but you can see what I had got in mind. We could imagine to put two tracks below with some screw holes (like LA-DF 500/700) and use it on smaller pieces. I'm going to look for a 3d printer near me and test it.
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: sebcbien on October 12, 2017, 12:45 PM
Hello @thlambermont
Please open a new topic for your project. Mixing two different projects in the same thread will confuse readers.
Thanks.

Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: sebcbien on October 12, 2017, 12:50 PM
Hello everyone,
I've now sold some pieces of my prototype and the woodworkers are very happy with them.
Below is one plate being printed (+- 7 hours)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171012/7c6829e0ce12378ab078bad288029b2d.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171012/803a9ace0297c2f6662be5d3a4a75a40.jpg)
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: thlambermont on October 12, 2017, 12:51 PM
@sebcbien It's exactly the same tool, I copy the one you created and change the fixation system. But if your prototype works very well with the current fixation I would like to order one  [big grin] Thank you
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: sebcbien on October 12, 2017, 02:38 PM
Ok, didn't get that, sorry. :-[
This design has some good points, but as disadvantages, I see those:

- one is that it will take more place on the fence and then reduce the "agility" of the machine to go in small places
- An other one, is that I think that the plastic would "bend" lighty with the pressure of the arms of the clamping system, the plastic used by festool is harder and made under pressure, it's not the case with the ABS used by 3D printers.
- About the clamps, they are metal and I cannot make them.
Seb
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: sylthecru on October 12, 2017, 03:14 PM
Do you plan to release the .stl files or make the shims out of aluminum? I am interested in the .stl files as I have a 3d printer

Here is a video of my prototype of thickness adapter for the Festool DOMINO XL.

This solution solves two problems of the domishim.

I show you the use of the prototype for stock of 12 and 22 milimeters

The final product will have three plates to cover all common stock thickness:
Plate 1:  12 -22 mm
Plate 2:  9 - 18 -38 mm
Plate 3:  15 - 25 mm
It's easy to make also plate for imperial measurements. 1/2" 3/4" ...

It's only a prototype and I have still work to do to have the final product.

So please give your advice below and say if you would be interested by the final product.

Here is the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGiKlTCU1rM
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: sebcbien on October 12, 2017, 03:32 PM
Hi sylthecru,

Building my prototype required to print between 15 and 20 plates and it's impossible to count how many hours and days it took me to design it.
As well as I'm someone who shares A LOT on internet (and in the real world [laughing] ), takes time and appreciate to help others, for this work, I will not release it because it tooks me more than time, I've invested in a good 3D printer (3000€) and the cost of printing the prototypes is not cheap (3D printing is usually 10€ per hour, and it's between 4 and 9 hours to print a plate...)
Releasing the STL files means also that others will be able to sell the plates to people who don't own a 3D printer.
Hope you can understand,
Seb
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: sylthecru on October 13, 2017, 09:28 AM
I understand you are trying to recoup the cost of your investment. DO you have an idea of what the final adapter will cost? I am really interested.

Hi sylthecru,

Building my prototype required to print between 15 and 20 plates and it's impossible to count how many hours and days it took me to design it.
As well as I'm someone who shares A LOT on internet (and in the real world [laughing] ), takes time and appreciate to help others, for this work, I will not release it because it tooks me more than time, I've invested in a good 3D printer (3000€) and the cost of printing the prototypes is not cheap (3D printing is usually 10€ per hour, and it's between 4 and 9 hours to print a plate...)
Releasing the STL files means also that others will be able to sell the plates to people who don't own a 3D printer.
Hope you can understand,
Seb
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: sebcbien on October 13, 2017, 10:03 AM
Hi,
The prices depend of the number of plates and the shipping costs.
The thickness of the plates also changes the price, the 7.5mm takes more time and materials than the 4mm.
As for the exact price, I'm not sure I can talk about it here...
So please mail me at: sjauquet (Gmail) or PM

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Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: Steven Owen on October 13, 2017, 01:48 PM
Hi,
The prices depend of the number of plates and the shipping costs.
The thickness of the plates also changes the price, the 7.5mm takes more time and materials than the 4mm.
As for the exact price, I'm not sure I can talk about it here...
So please mail me at: sjauquet (Gmail) or PM

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It looks cool.  Have you ever considered contacting Seneca to see if they will license your design to build this as a Domino accessory?

I think Seneca would be keen to develop your design.  They have the equipment to mass produce it with higher quality plastics.
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: sebcbien on October 13, 2017, 04:25 PM
Hi Steven,
I didn't contact Seneca, maybe later, maybe it's a good idea.

@sylthecru , I forgot to answer about the aluminium, the current design uses the flexibility of the plastic (ABS) to stick to the fence. Doing it in aluminium would require another design with no major advantages.

Seb
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: Steven Owen on October 14, 2017, 04:06 PM
Hi Steven,
I didn't contact Seneca, maybe later, maybe it's a good idea.

@sylthecru , I forgot to answer about the aluminium, the current design uses the flexibility of the plastic (ABS) to stick to the fence. Doing it in aluminium would require another design with no major advantages.

Seb

You’ll have to get a couple of prototypes working that you can send to Seneca.  With international distribution, you’ll probably make more money selling or licensing your design to Seneca that you would trying to 3-D print them on your own.   
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: worldburger on October 23, 2017, 11:59 AM
hello,
Kuukkeli had a idea to enhance the thickness adapter.
the idea is to make a small piece of 3d printed thicknesses to modify the height of the fence to match perfectly other material height.
So I made some calculations and found a combinaison where with one plate and this cros  shaped piece the df700 can match those material heights: 30mm - 25mm - 22mm - 19mm (3/4 inch) - 18mm - 15mm - 13mm (1/2 inch) - 12mm
Here are some pics of a prototype:

@sebcbien this is a very creative solution.  I am curious: why not just create thickness modifiers like this instead of adding thickness to the fence? Can you not get the fence close enough as Festool sells it?
Title: Re: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project
Post by: sebcbien on October 23, 2017, 04:14 PM
Hi,
The plate allows to go lower than the minimum of the cursor... The cursor cannot go lower than 0 and 0 means the center 20mm stock (10mm)
Seb :-)

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