Author Topic: New Domino XL Thickness adapter project (Read 26280 times)

sebcbien · « **on:** August 27, 2016, 10:24 PM »

Here is a video of my prototype of thickness adapter for the Festool DOMINO XL.

This solution solves two problems of the domishim.

I show you the use of the prototype for stock of 12 and 22 milimeters

The final product will have three plates to cover all common stock thickness:
Plate 1: 12 -22 mm
Plate 2: 9 - 18 -38 mm
Plate 3: 15 - 25 mm
It's easy to make also plate for imperial measurements. 1/2" 3/4" ...

It's only a prototype and I have still work to do to have the final product.

So please give your advice below and say if you would be interested by the final product.

Here is the video:

simo.ahtola@netikka.fi · « **Reply #1 on:** August 28, 2016, 03:37 AM »

Hei,

Looks good, something I have been looking for.

Definetely interested to buy.

BR Simo

thylaxene · « **Reply #2 on:** August 30, 2016, 07:28 PM »

Yeah certainly interested in a released product.

Cheers.

Joe_Blaze · « **Reply #3 on:** August 30, 2016, 09:44 PM »

Definitely interested in purchasing your adapter. Currently using the Seneca tools option, but it is slow to change, so your solution looks good.

promark747 · « **Reply #4 on:** August 30, 2016, 11:35 PM »

Yes, definitely interested...my only concern would be making the tabs that hold it in place sturdy enough not to break/bend with repeated use and removal.

sebcbien · « **Reply #5 on:** September 03, 2016, 09:14 PM »

Hello everyone :-)
About the concern of the clips, yes, it's possible with clips but probably not for 1000 of install/removal.
A new prototype with a new system to hold the plate is being tested, this one is "unbreakable"

I will ship the first 20 samples at a discount price but will ask for feedback.
Stay tuned

dalep · « **Reply #6 on:** September 04, 2016, 05:55 AM »

Add me to the interested pile ;-)

Dale

c_dwyer · « **Reply #7 on:** September 04, 2016, 10:15 AM »

Sebcbien - I'm also very much interested, but have a few questions myself. Durability of the clips is certainly an interest, although it might be good for the non-production/occasional user (hard plastic version) vs. production (Seneca's version) based on the frequency of on/off's. However, cost is also going to be a major factor for both groups. If it's inexpensive enough, perhaps even the production users would do okay if the total on/off's before breaking saves a lot of time in the long run. Back to the cost/benefit thing. Just thinking without knowing, which is often not good in my case

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TSO Products · « **Reply #8 on:** September 04, 2016, 10:51 AM »

durability of the clips is a function of the clip "design" - not the fact that a thermoplastic material is being used. It would help to see a close up of the clip design along with the interface of the DF700 with that feature.
Hans

Sal LiVecchi · « **Reply #9 on:** September 04, 2016, 12:48 PM »

Add me to the list for sure

sebcbien · « **Reply #10 on:** September 04, 2016, 03:34 PM »

Hi,
I'm actually testing a design with superstrong magnets included in the boards.
The boards are light and when using the plate, the force applied by the domino on the plate is not against the magnets, I think I have there an unbreakabe solution

I'm also testing if it's better to have a flat surface or a surface like this one:
Any advice ?

Vandal · « **Reply #11 on:** September 05, 2016, 09:53 PM »

I like the smooth surface but the surface texture isn't as important as ease of use. I think the clip on version you showed in the video was on point. If the clips are breaking easily then I understand the design change. You could go with a metal clip that snaps into the base so that if it breaks you can replace it easily.
when you have something worked out I would like a discounted one to test.

sebcbien · « **Reply #12 on:** September 11, 2016, 05:55 PM »

Hi,
Here is the state of the project:
I'm trying to make the design more durable, so no clips anymore but magnets.
I've made two prototypes, it works quite well, but the design needs improvement to be easier to produce without too much manual "cleaning" work after the printing.

ANILE8 · « **Reply #13 on:** October 20, 2016, 05:17 AM »

I am interested in this adapter, any updates to when you think it maybe ready for market?

Northernenv · « **Reply #14 on:** October 21, 2016, 10:37 AM »

I would definitely be interested in purchasing the adapter. Please keep me informed when it becomes available.

sebcbien · « **Reply #15 on:** November 08, 2016, 10:08 AM »

Hello everyone,
Sorry for not giving more news, hard times here and one big project to finish.
My 3D printer died, I have to change the extruder.
The prototypes are almost finished, I just have to find a glue that works well between magnets and ABS plastic.
I'll keep you informed :-)

Woodkrafts · « **Reply #16 on:** November 08, 2016, 11:15 PM »

I glued magnets to corian with corian glue, its a 2-part acrylic monomer adhesives. Super glue suppose to work too.
Not 100% it works with ABS plastic. But I give it a try.

sebcbien · « **Reply #17 on:** December 18, 2016, 03:45 PM »

Hello everyone,
Just to keep you informed that the project is not dead.
I had many problemns with my previous 3D printer, with some broken pieces but also a precision not able to produce repetitively good prints.
Now I have bought a new ultimaker 2. and also an adapter for domino 500 bits.
Hopefully after those holidays I will be able to produce a final product and ship.
Have great holidays !!

ANILE8 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 25, 2017, 04:08 PM »

Hello, can we expect something to be available for ordering soon, are your holidays over?

Don't mind waiting if we know something is for sure in the pipeline (please provide an expected shipment date) but this project seems to have taken a long time with no end in sight. If this won't be happening I will have to find an alternative solution although I would prefer your adapter much more.

sebcbien · « **Reply #19 on:** February 25, 2017, 04:31 PM »

Hi, Yes, I got something that works, but time flies, sorry, I do not find the time to make a video, I will do IT NOW !
But without Voice.
I finaly ended with a prototype that "snaps" to the plate of the festool without magnets.
I also made those enclosures to put magnets in... so you can chose to cut one sytem and keep the other one or keep booth.
One main problem that I forsee is the price. To have a good quality piece, it takes 4 hours to print.
Printing costs around 10€/hour... without magnets and my time to clean start, ship...
This means The price should be around 60 euro
I have to try to print two plate at the same time to reduce the cost, I'm not sure people will pay 60 euro + port for this...

sebcbien · « **Reply #20 on:** February 25, 2017, 05:39 PM »

as promised:

sebcbien · « **Reply #21 on:** February 25, 2017, 06:45 PM »

if interrested to buy one, please Personal Message me
I will do the first 10 orders at printing cost.

Paul G · « **Reply #22 on:** February 26, 2017, 10:36 AM »

Hard to see for sure on the video, but how much contact is there between the spacer and the tool?

sebcbien · « **Reply #23 on:** February 26, 2017, 01:57 PM »

I'm not sure to understand your question.
The plate is in full contact with the fence of the df700. The plate is very hard.
For building prototypes, I sometimes used design that uses less material to save money.
I've posted below some pics of the printing process of prototypes.
the white parts are supports to help support the bridges (parts of the object that do not have something below)
The white stuffs are then dissolved in water after the printing.

Paul G · « **Reply #24 on:** February 26, 2017, 09:54 PM »

I'm viewing the vid from my iphone so it's difficult to tell if the cross shaped posts were supporting the flat plate or if the full flat plate is in direct full contact with the steel

sebcbien · « **Reply #25 on:** February 26, 2017, 10:18 PM »

the cross are there to center the plate trough the holes in the fence of the df700
the plate is in full contact then and the height is very precise

Vondawg · « **Reply #26 on:** March 02, 2017, 12:39 AM »

Can't pm you using current name.

sebcbien · « **Reply #27 on:** March 02, 2017, 06:36 AM »

Strange, I received already a lot of PM

Sorry, I prefer not putting my email here

I will take time this weekend to respond to all of them.
Thanks

Kuukkeli · « **Reply #28 on:** March 29, 2017, 11:26 AM »

I am waiting for the 4mm thick adapter plate to be delivered and actually same applies to DF 700

. Meanwhile, I think this is great solution, and so much faster to be installed and taken off than Domiplate. It also allows you to use fence height setting for different positioning. I can not wait to hear experiences from other users. Comments, anyone?

sebcbien · « **Reply #29 on:** April 12, 2017, 05:36 PM »

hello,
Kuukkeli had a idea to enhance the thickness adapter.
the idea is to make a small piece of 3d printed thicknesses to modify the height of the fence to match perfectly other material height.
So I made some calculations and found a combinaison where with one plate and this cros shaped piece the df700 can match those material heights: 30mm - 25mm - 22mm - 19mm (3/4 inch) - 18mm - 15mm - 13mm (1/2 inch) - 12mm
Here are some pics of a prototype: