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Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #60 on: February 08, 2019, 09:04 PM »
Another good option from TSO for the U.S.

Its all about options. Down under with US dollar and postage costs someone like Yellowbox shed is great for Aussies/Kiwis and another great option if you 3D Print.

OT. I want to buy $35 worth of Robertson bits (square) from Canada at a postage cost of $120CA!!

I hear you about postage fees. The order I did with Yellowboxshed came at a total of 96$ and the postage was 14.50$ I call this extremely fair. Personally I tried several times to order from Woodpecker Tools. Just last week they had a router bit I just received from Toolstoday, Toolstoday charged me 26$ for shipping, there was 2 bits. Woodpecker was charging me 37$ for a single bit and the bit was 35$  [eek]


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Offline ChuckM

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #61 on: February 08, 2019, 09:15 PM »
Cross shipping costs have prevented me from buying more tools or things from the US. Recently, I bought some magazines on eBay and had them shipped to a US address free; to a Canadian location? The shipping cost would be five times the total cost of the magazines!

Another reason why I shop mostly at Lee Valley for woodworking tools, and any vendor whose products are not carried by Lee Valley, or any local tool vendors in Canada seldom gets my business.

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #62 on: February 08, 2019, 09:17 PM »
Another good option from TSO for the U.S.

Its all about options. Down under with US dollar and postage costs someone like Yellowbox shed is great for Aussies/Kiwis and another great option if you 3D Print.

OT. I want to buy $35 worth of Robertson bits (square) from Canada at a postage cost of $120CA!!

Non-US woodworkers:
TSO hears you. Until we developed capable Dealers in key geographic areas we subsidized international shipping so we know from our own pocketbook how expensive that is [sad].

Since then we have established  capable stocking dealers in Australia and New Zealand CARBATEC, in Europe AXMINSTER and GereedschapPro plus South Africa's BPM TOOLCRAFT and HARDWARE CENTRE with ULTIMATE TOOLS in Canada our very first International Dealer.

We thank them all for offering our customers a choice.

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Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #63 on: February 09, 2019, 04:37 AM »
After reading this thread I checked my Parf sticks and they seem spot on, mine is a Mk 2 system. Whenever I make a top of any type with the system, I always check for square cutting etc, and from the many I’ve made so far, all seems fine and on par with my MFT/3.
Hopefully any faulty versions of the systems are few and far between.

I also just want to reassure anybody thinking of buying these systems, or anything else from Axminster Tools. Apart from a possible inconvenience if something is damaged, not up to standard, or any other cause for disappointment, rest assured Axminster will sort it out and make sure you are happy.
Without going into detail, I use many suppliers and buy tools from many companies, and without doubt, Axminster have the best customer service, that I have personally ever experienced. That alone means a lot too me.

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #64 on: February 09, 2019, 07:17 AM »
After reading this thread I checked my Parf sticks and they seem spot on, mine is a Mk 2 system. Whenever I make a top of any type with the system, I always check for square cutting etc, and from the many I’ve made so far, all seems fine and on par with my MFT/3.
Hopefully any faulty versions of the systems are few and far between.

I also just want to reassure anybody thinking of buying these systems, or anything else from Axminster Tools. Apart from a possible inconvenience if something is damaged, not up to standard, or any other cause for disappointment, rest assured Axminster will sort it out and make sure you are happy.
Without going into detail, I use many suppliers and buy tools from many companies, and without doubt, Axminster have the best customer service, that I have personally ever experienced. That alone means a lot too me.

I absolutely agree and it was one of the major factors that convinced me that they should take on my Parf (R) products.

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #65 on: February 09, 2019, 08:36 AM »
Whilst we are on the subject of Axminster (rather than specifically the ‘PGS’)...

Although I’d bought from Axminster by mail order (online) a number of times in the past (with considerable satisfaction - well, total satisfaction to be honest), I’d never visited one of their stores.
Having now done that (my “local” one, in Kent - not the easiest of journeys) I’ve been back several times because it is just a nice place to go... calm and spacious, loads of kit to look at and accessories to browse, and good relaxed atmosphere. The staff seem to be endlessly patient and helpful, knowledgeable and enthusiastic, with no pressure to buy and leave you alone until you want help. Odd items that have been out-of-stock, they have sent on to me free of delivery charges.

My only real “complaint” is that on each visit I’ve bought (and spent) much more than I intended when I left home...!

Sorry if all of that sounds like a “shill” or covert marketing for them, but it isn’t... I just feel they deserve a  public “thumbs up”. Yes, some of the stuff (eg. Some Festool items, but not all) can be found a little bit cheaper elsewhere, but overall ther prices seem very fair and sometimes very good; I’m happy to support, when I can, a business that provides both good service online and an extremely good “bricks-and-mortar” presence.

I’ve been buying quite a bit of “UJK” stuff lately and am very pleased with the quality and the finish; though I don’t (yet) have a Parf Guide System...
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Offline Bill Fleming

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #66 on: February 09, 2019, 11:51 AM »
I am in need of a new top for my MFT/1080 and the cost of a new top is about equal to the MK2 and of course with the MK2 I can do many things.

So is all this issue of MK2 quality sorted such that getting a properly machined and packaged version more likely than not?

Thx Bill

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #67 on: February 09, 2019, 12:11 PM »
I am in need of a new top for my MFT/1080 and the cost of a new top is about equal to the MK2 and of course with the MK2 I can do many things.

So is all this issue of MK2 quality sorted such that getting a properly machined and packaged version more likely than not?

Thx Bill
@Bill Fleming - based on the answer I received earlier this week from a senior technical manager at AXMINSTER the answer is an unqualified YES.

TSO's stock replenishment order from AXMINSTER with PGS Mark 2 was ready to ship to us by airfreight. Sign up here to be notified when PGS Mark 2 is back in stock here in the US:

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Offline Bill Fleming

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #68 on: February 09, 2019, 01:24 PM »
Great news, signed up to be notified on your site!

Thx Bill

Offline box185

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #69 on: February 10, 2019, 01:47 PM »
I checked the third pair of Parf Sticks that I received from Axminster - greatly improved, but still the patterned error.

About 0.003 inch difference between adjacent hole pair. Good enough already . . . move along.

Axminster has done a great job following up on this issue. Still curious how a patterned error appears, but it doesn't matter.

Offline Mike Goetzke

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #70 on: February 11, 2019, 09:54 AM »
Talked to Axminster this morning and they say don’t expect availability until mid-March! I need to look for CNC supplier for my three new tops.

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #71 on: February 11, 2019, 11:13 AM »
Talked to Axminster this morning and they say don’t expect availability until mid-March! I need to look for CNC supplier for my three new tops.

Mike, - we just received confirmation that our AXMINSTER shipment has shipped airfreight to TSO's Minnesota warehouse. Should be available to ship out to our customers some time next week. automatic notifications will go out to all who have signed up on our website:

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Offline Solly

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #72 on: February 25, 2019, 04:35 PM »
Looks like the Mark II is back in stock at TSO - but alas not shipping to Australia ;-(

Still showing as backorder at Axminster ...

Anyone know of another way to get one in Oz?

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #73 on: February 25, 2019, 04:43 PM »
Looks like the Mark II is back in stock at TSO - but alas not shipping to Australia ;-(

Still showing as backorder at Axminster ...

Anyone know of another way to get one in Oz?

I spoke to them a couple of days ago to check what is happening. When the Mark 2 PGS was launched they had estimated the demand for the first quarter. That initial stock sold out in a matter of days. They were then going flat out to try to keep up but it was an impossible task. Things were not helped by a hiccup in the raw material supply chain and with so many back orders they had to stop taking new orders. I understand that they are working some extra shifts and new stock will be available very soon. I know that they are a commercial organisation but I feel sorry for them as everything was going so well and they were overwhelmed by demand. It sounds like a nice state to be in but I can assure you that it is not quite what they were expecting. They have tried to balance the flow of stock to dealers outside the UK and to direct customers. Things should be back to normal within 7 days.

Peter

Offline Solly

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #74 on: February 25, 2019, 08:41 PM »
Great thanks for the update Peter, much appreciated  [thumbs up]

Offline Mike Goetzke

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #75 on: February 25, 2019, 08:45 PM »
Really interested in this product. With the quality spill on the Parf II are the ones at TSO fully corrected? Just wondering why TSO would have them before Axminster.

Mike

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #76 on: February 25, 2019, 10:19 PM »
Really interested in this product. With the quality spill on the Parf II are the ones at TSO fully corrected? Just wondering why TSO would have them before Axminster.

Mike
TSO has the widest selection of AXMINSTER  UJK brand products in North America. No wonder that they see to it our customer base is supported.
If you didn't get in on our latest shipments today with your order, you may want to sign up to be notified and act promptly when you see availability.

One difference with the Parf Guide sold by TSO: we add a Stainless 10mm Clamping Collar for customer use in lieu of the standard Aluminum stop collar. This $ 10.00 item is quickly appreciated once you start to use the PGS.

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Offline Solly

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #77 on: February 26, 2019, 03:45 AM »
Really interested in this product. With the quality spill on the Parf II are the ones at TSO fully corrected? Just wondering why TSO would have them before Axminster.

Mike

Very pertinent question Mike, especially in the context of Peter's notes above - I hope burning the candle at both ends to meet demand isn't resulting in repeat manufacturing / quality control concerns ... hopefully Peter and/or Hans can put our minds to rest.

Solly

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #78 on: February 26, 2019, 08:59 AM »
to all: the concern with the Parf Stick irregularities were traced to a supplier. Axminster told us they have brought this operation in house to have control over the operations. That is the reason they are behind on deliveries - replacing non-conforming product in the field plus starting up and ramping production of the involved parts in house./

In the end you can rest assured that this issue has top managements attention. Probably never going to be an issue again.

The result is worth the wait.

Hans
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Offline jayshahu

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #79 on: March 11, 2019, 07:51 PM »
I have been lurking on this forum for a bit now. I am interested in the PARF Guide mark II system.

I had a question about compatible bench dogs.

I am aware that lee valley has a couple of bench dogs which have a lip and no chamfer. The UJK has a guide pup and a guide dog with a chamfer.

If I go make a table top with 20 mm holes which dont have a chamfer would I still be able to the UJK guide pup and guide dogs? Will my track saw register properly or am I better off using the less valley dogs.?




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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #80 on: March 11, 2019, 08:21 PM »
@jayshahu – you need not let the Chamfer issue concern you. Here’s why:
If your Dogs don’t have a Chamfer – nothing to worry about.
If your UJK Dogs have a Chamfer: nothing to worry about either because you can buy AXMINSTER / UJK’s Chamfer Tool – modest cost and very effective and easy to use.
Whether your benchtop has chamfered 20mm holes or non-chamfered has no other effect. Think of the Chamfer as an option which does not preclude using any style of Dog
ULTIMATE Tool in Burnaby BC carry our line of Dogs in two tolerance versions: Standard and CF-Dogs = Close Fit Dogs which are the identical diameter and tolerance as the UJK Parf Dogs. You can tell our Dogs apart because they have a set of Double Grooves to make it easier to extract them 😊

Enjoy the Mark 2 – worth the wait
Hans
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Offline jayshahu

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #81 on: March 11, 2019, 11:03 PM »
Thanks. I will check out ultimate tools

@jayshahu – you need not let the Chamfer issue concern you. Here’s why:
If your Dogs don’t have a Chamfer – nothing to worry about.
If your UJK Dogs have a Chamfer: nothing to worry about either because you can buy AXMINSTER / UJK’s Chamfer Tool – modest cost and very effective and easy to use.
Whether your benchtop has chamfered 20mm holes or non-chamfered has no other effect. Think of the Chamfer as an option which does not preclude using any style of Dog
ULTIMATE Tool in Burnaby BC carry our line of Dogs in two tolerance versions: Standard and CF-Dogs = Close Fit Dogs which are the identical diameter and tolerance as the UJK Parf Dogs. You can tell our Dogs apart because they have a set of Double Grooves to make it easier to extract them 😊

Enjoy the Mark 2 – worth the wait
Hans

Offline Bernmc

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #82 on: March 12, 2019, 03:13 AM »
I have the UJK chamfer tool, but with 300 holes in my worktop to do, I found whizzing around with a trim router and a rounding bit much quicker and easier, with a similar result to the chamfer tool.

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #83 on: March 12, 2019, 09:33 AM »
I chamfer all the dog holes in all my tops, as I like the chamfered dogs but, also it seems to keep edge damage to the holes at a minimum.

Offline Mike Goetzke

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #84 on: March 12, 2019, 10:50 AM »
I have the UJK chamfer tool, but with 300 holes in my worktop to do, I found whizzing around with a trim router and a rounding bit much quicker and easier, with a similar result to the chamfer tool.

Couple weekends ago I did the same thing - rounded over 60 slots and chamfered about 250 holes (top & bottom). Used a dust mask and did this outside even though it was pretty cold out. I used a small cordless handheld router for the chamfers.

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« Reply #85 on: March 12, 2019, 12:30 PM »
I have the UJK chamfer tool, but with 300 holes in my worktop to do, I found whizzing around with a trim router and a rounding bit much quicker and easier, with a similar result to the chamfer tool.

Couple weekends ago I did the same thing - rounded over 60 slots and chamfered about 250 holes (top & bottom). Used a dust mask and did this outside even though it was pretty cold out. I used a small cordless handheld router for the chamfers.

Yes same here, I use a 1/4” palm router and chamfer/bevel cutter.

Offline Mike Goetzke

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #86 on: March 15, 2019, 09:29 AM »
I had my original work table CNC'd because I had a few projects and got tired waiting on the MK2 to be back in stock. This is my first use of an MFT type table and I already have other ideas for special purpose tops requiring dog holes. So when I found the MK2 back in stock I ordered one at Axminister on Monday and received it Thursday (I'm in the Chicago area). I was somewhat skeptical of the cost but once you have one in your hand you will think it's a bargain. The rules are perfect twins. I would recommend this jig to anyone.

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #87 on: March 19, 2019, 11:42 AM »
FWIW I'd grabbed the Mk2 guide a while back directly from Axminster before TSO had them available. Only got around to looking at the sticks this past weekend and sure enough, they had the misalignment issue that started this thread. Went to Axminster's site yesterday late, entered the info into their issues form, received notice this AM that replacement sticks are shipping.

It also blows me away that anything I've ever ordered from them ships @ a very reasonable cost and arrives in 4-5 days to the US east coast.

@AxminsterTools - Kudos for fabulous customer service.

RMW
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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #88 on: March 19, 2019, 12:15 PM »
FWIW I'd grabbed the Mk2 guide a while back directly from Axminster before TSO had them available. Only got around to looking at the sticks this past weekend and sure enough, they had the misalignment issue that started this thread. Went to Axminster's site yesterday late, entered the info into their issues form, received notice this AM that replacement sticks are shipping.

It also blows me away that anything I've ever ordered from them ships @ a very reasonable cost and arrives in 4-5 days to the US east coast.

@AxminsterTools - Kudos for fabulous customer service.

RMW

Hi Richard,

I am not sure if Axminster monitor the FOG so I will pass this on to them.

I am sorry that your original Parf Sticks were faulty - a problem that they have narrowed down to one batch of I think 20, probably when someone was finishing up for the weekend !

Peter

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Re: Parf Guide mark 2 issues and questions
« Reply #89 on: March 19, 2019, 12:38 PM »
FWIW I'd grabbed the Mk2 guide a while back directly from Axminster before TSO had them available. Only got around to looking at the sticks this past weekend and sure enough, they had the misalignment issue that started this thread. Went to Axminster's site yesterday late, entered the info into their issues form, received notice this AM that replacement sticks are shipping.

It also blows me away that anything I've ever ordered from them ships @ a very reasonable cost and arrives in 4-5 days to the US east coast.

@AxminsterTools - Kudos for fabulous customer service.

RMW

Hi Richard,

I am not sure if Axminster monitor the FOG so I will pass this on to them.

I am sorry that your original Parf Sticks were faulty - a problem that they have narrowed down to one batch of I think 20, probably when someone was finishing up for the weekend !

Peter

Thanks Peter, appreciate you passing it along. I'm just glad that @wch noticed the problem originally and posted it here. I don't know what the end result would have been (i.e. how much deviation would have actually been introduced) but more accuracy is always better.

As a side note, it's been interesting to watch as companies like Axminster, Woodpeckers & TSO have gone thru the growing pains ramping up production of precision tools. During my limited foray into it with the Rip Dogs I ran into a couple of issues that required rework, it can be very time consuming especially for a dabbler like myself.  All 3 of the companies mentioned above are to me the gold-standard for how to deal with those challenges.

Cheers!

RMW
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