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Offline kitui

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Part number for Stop block bolt - Urgent
« on: February 10, 2018, 11:51 AM »
Hello,
I just lost the bolt that goes in the track stop in the festool FS1400 saw track (it felt under the base board floor somewhere). Does anybody know the Part number and where to re-order? On a second note, do you have a part number of any t-bolt that would fit the track guide? I read a lot of posts but not specific part number. I can see that Lee Valley and Rockler has t-bolts and Incra has nuts but I am not sure about the part umber. I Cannot return so I need to be sure. thanks for your help!!
Thanks LV
« Last Edit: February 11, 2018, 07:30 AM by kitui »

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Offline neilc

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Re: Part number for Stop block bolt - Urgent
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2018, 12:31 PM »
Here's the parts view for the 1400 router -

http://ekat.festool.de/login/jsp/main.jsp?doAction=start&autologin=true&userId=US-Kunde-FT_US&password=Customer&design=festool

You can find the Festool phone number on FestoolUSA.com - also access to the parts catalog I linked to above from there -

Start here - https://www.festoolusa.com/service assuming you are in the US

Not clear on your second question.  You can probably find 1/4" t-bolts in the plumbing aisle at HD or Lowes.  They are called 'closet bolts' for anchoring a toilet.  You might need to file down the head slightly but they should fit in the Festool rail if that is what you are referring to.

you might want to add your location to your FOG profile - it's not clear if you are in the US or somewhere else in the world -

Offline kitui

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Re: Part number for Stop block bolt - Urgent
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2018, 01:47 PM »
I do not have a router. I was referring to the stop for the TS55 to avoid the kickback. I drop the t nut under the joist. I could not find the part in the catalogue. It is a part for the saw stop. Anyway thanks. I forgot about thank you but I used your idea for the toilette bolt. I cannot use it for the saw stop but I used it to create a great Qwas dog. Thanks again

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Re: Part number for Stop block bolt - Urgent
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2018, 04:15 PM »
I do not have a router. I was referring to the stop for the TS55 to avoid the kickback. I drop the t nut under the joist. I could not find the part in the catalogue. It is a part for the saw stop. Anyway thanks. I forgot about thank you but I used your idea for the toilette bolt. I cannot use it for the saw stop but I used it to create a great Qwas dog. Thanks again

I am yting to get the part number for you.  I have had to order them before.

Peter

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Re: Part number for Stop block bolt - Urgent
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2018, 04:36 PM »
Part Number 463723 according my contact at Festool.  You can call 888 337-8600 and order.





Peter
« Last Edit: March 30, 2018, 06:19 PM by Peter Halle »

Offline kitui

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Re: Part number for Stop block bolt - Urgent
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2018, 11:56 AM »
Hi Peter, sorry I just saw this. Actually the #2 is a bolt and not a nut. I guess it is not the same part. I am looking for the one in the pic attached. I have 2 stops but I lost one of the bolt :(

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Re: Part number for Stop block bolt - Urgent
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2018, 04:30 PM »
You should be able to go to a industrial hardware store and find something that will work.

Have you called festool service?

Theyll be able to help you out.

Last time i called they connected me to a repair tech and he hooked me up.

I always call festool service if I cant find something at the industrial hardware shop
« Last Edit: April 23, 2018, 04:34 PM by jobsworth »

Offline GoingMyWay

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Re: Part number for Stop block bolt - Urgent
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2018, 04:44 PM »
I'm not so sure.  The head of the bolt is rectangular so that it fits into the slot in the bottom of the limit stop.  That seems rather unique.

I called Festool this afternoon trying to get the exact part number.  I got transferred to the service number since the ekat diagram didn't reflect the actual limit stop.  He went at looked at the limit stop that came with a TS75 he had in front of him and he said it looked like the ekat diagram.  Per his request, I emailed him these pictures of the limit stop to service@festoolusa.com:
278728-0278730-1278732-2


He said he was pretty much the only person who checks that email - and then he'd check with some more senior people to see if they know what the deal is with this bolt.
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Re: Part number for Stop block bolt - Urgent
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2018, 05:11 PM »
I'm not so sure.  The head of the bolt is rectangular so that it fits into the slot in the bottom of the limit stop.  That seems rather unique.

I called Festool this afternoon trying to get the exact part number.  I got transferred to the service number since the ekat diagram didn't reflect the actual limit stop.  He went at looked at the limit stop that came with a TS75 he had in front of him and he said it looked like the ekat diagram.  Per his request, I emailed him these pictures of the limit stop to service@festoolusa.com:
(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)


He said he was pretty much the only person who checks that email - and then he'd check with some more senior people to see if they know what the deal is with this bolt.
I would go talk to a small engineering business, they could knock one up quickly if time is the biggest concern. Of cause this will cost more than buying a genuine bolt but I would expect the difference to be palatable.



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Re: Part number for Stop block bolt - Urgent
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2018, 05:19 PM »
I would go talk to a small engineering business, they could knock one up quickly if time is the biggest concern. Of cause this will cost more than buying a genuine bolt but I would expect the difference to be palatable.

Welcome to the forum, Forestmount!

The bolt in question is part of the Limit Stop FS-RSP. It has a list price of $13.75. So, it would be far more cost effective to simply purchase a new limit stop than have someone attempt to make a one-off replacement part.
Looks like your rabbit joint is a hare off! ;)

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Re: Part number for Stop block bolt - Urgent
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2018, 05:20 PM »
I would go talk to a small engineering business, they could knock one up quickly if time is the biggest concern. Of cause this will cost more than buying a genuine bolt but I would expect the difference to be palatable.

I don't know of any small engineering businesses.  Would they really bother to make just 1 or 2 bolts??  That doesn't seem like it's worth the effort.

Heck for just 1 bolt and if time was truly of the essence - you could probably find an off the shelf hex head bolt and just cut the sides off to fit, but I don't think that's the point.
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Offline jjowen

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Re: Part number for Stop block bolt - Urgent
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2018, 07:09 PM »

The bolt in question is part of the Limit Stop FS-RSP. It has a list price of $13.75.

Unless you are in Australia, where it costs AUD41.00 = USD31.18. Ouch! Just hope Kev does not see this post.

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Offline kitui

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Re: Part number for Stop block bolt - Urgent
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2018, 12:48 PM »
First of all, thanks for all the people replying. I am sorry but after spending what I spent on Sys, Track and TS55, I found a little silly to spend another 13$ for an extra stop because I lost a 30c part. I have already 2 (one is missing the bolt) and I will use the functional one as a kick back stop. I will hang in there. Festool should have spare parts for every single piece they sell considering the "luxury products" they sell. Considering that it is such a small part and it is easy to lose it. On a second note, I 'll bet it is used somewhere else in the Festool products. Anyway, I tried Lee Valley bolt but they do not fit. Going to EU soon, I will see if I can find a stupid bolt like that there. I do not know machine shop that can help. I might be hopeless. Thanks again for trying to help!

Offline Bert Vanderveen

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Re: Part number for Stop block bolt - Urgent
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2018, 01:52 PM »
Well, some of the ‘small’ parts are not sold individually, but only as complete subassemblies. Eg the excentric rollers on my sliding table broke and I had to buy new ones as part of an assembly (at around 30 usd a piece…). Mailed Festool about it and they were kind enough to send me two of those for free (‘under warranty’). Great service! YMMV because I am in the Netherlands and you’re not.
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Re: Part number for Stop block bolt - Urgent
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2018, 02:17 PM »
I went looking through my stuff to see if something else had the same bolt. In the process I found three of those same stops. On mine, all three are the other way around. Rectangular nut and a threaded stud in the knob. As opposed to rectangular bolt. Like shown in the diagram posted by Peter.

Not really helpful but.........................

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Offline GoingMyWay

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Re: Part number for Stop block bolt - Urgent
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2018, 02:32 PM »
That's odd, but I guess that might mean ekat is showing the correct diagram for the limit stop.

The date on my TS55 is 6/2016, but I bought it brand new from Beaver Industrial Supply in October 2017.
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Re: Part number for Stop block bolt - Urgent
« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2018, 03:20 PM »
Sorry but it is not an M8. I have tried anything, the closest is 1/4 but the thread is different (of course it’s metric) and the head too big. I can file it but still have the problem with the knob. I tried also square nuts, they do not fit. I might try going to HD with the knob but seems easier to wait for Eu and get metric stuff.

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Re: Part number for Stop block bolt - Urgent
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2018, 03:29 PM »
Sorry but it is not an M8. I have tried anything, the closest is 1/4 but the thread is different (of course it’s metric) and the head too big. I can file it but still have the problem with the knob. I tried also square nuts, they do not fit. I might try going to HD with the knob but seems easier to wait for Eu and get metric stuff.
Yeh, I deleted my post after realizing its M6. Try M6 with hex flange head:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/25-M6-1-0-x-16-M6x16-Metric-Hex-Flange-Bolts-Grade-10-9-DIN-6921-ZY/171972430053?hash=item280a5b08e5:g:26sAAOSwwbdWI8Dq
The flange is 14 mm in diameter.

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Re: Part number for Stop block bolt - Urgent
« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2018, 03:48 PM »
I just confirmed that M6x20mm cap screws work.  I picked up the 2 pack for $.90 from Home Depot.

PS while you're at Home Depot, I highly recommend you pick up a Gage-It Hardware Gauge.  It's only $1.99 and it helps me identify what type of nut or bolt I have.  Very handy!

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Re: Part number for Stop block bolt - Urgent
« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2018, 07:57 PM »
The hex nut bolt in the 3rd picture works, but puts more stress on the T-slot (as the contact area is smaller with the hex nut where only a small triangle makes contact). Fine for use as a flag stop or in a story stick configuration, but possibly not that sturdy (or it'll damage the rail when you tighten the knob on it hard) when being used in the original role of a kickback stop.

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Re: Part number for Stop block bolt - Urgent
« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2018, 08:46 PM »
Checked McMaster - this might work with some grinding / filing.  Although they are $13+ there.


McMaster is an industrial hardware supply house in the US.  Not cheap but they have an amazing selection of stuff.



https://www.mcmaster.com/#t-bolts/=1ck4by2

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Re: Part number for Stop block bolt - Urgent
« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2018, 08:55 PM »
The hex nut bolt in the 3rd picture works, but puts more stress on the T-slot (as the contact area is smaller with the hex nut where only a small triangle makes contact). Fine for use as a flag stop or in a story stick configuration, but possibly not that sturdy (or it'll damage the rail when you tighten the knob on it hard) when being used in the original role of a kickback stop.

Very good point, I hadn't thought about potentially damaging the rail.  The Festool rectangular bolt head is about 10mm on the wider side.  I just checked, but unfortunately I don't have any flat washers to test how well that will work.  A washer should solve the problem of evening out the stress on the t-slot (assuming you can find one that fits) right?

Yeh, I deleted my post after realizing its M6. Try M6 with hex flange head:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/25-M6-1-0-x-16-M6x16-Metric-Hex-Flange-Bolts-Grade-10-9-DIN-6921-ZY/171972430053?hash=item280a5b08e5:g:26sAAOSwwbdWI8Dq
The flange is 14 mm in diameter.

I measured the t-slot in the guide rail to be about 12.6mm wide.  The flange on these: https://www.ebay.com/itm/25-M6-1-0-x-16-M6x16-Metric-Hex-Flange-Bolts-Grade-10-9-DIN-6921-ZY/171972430053?hash=item280a5b08e5:g:26sAAOSwwbdWI8Dq is going to be wider than the slot so the sides would have to be filed off I believe.

Home Depot sells "these flange" type bolts: https://www.homedepot.com/p/M6-1-x-10-mm-Zinc-Hex-Head-Metric-Serrated-Flange-Bolt-2-per-Bag-840078/204283638, but I think 10mm is too short.  The Festool bolt threads is 17mm long.  The next longer size that Home Depot sells online appears to be 40mm long, which is too long.  It also doesn't list the diameter of the flange.

Checked McMaster - this might work with some grinding / filing.

https://www.mcmaster.com/#t-bolts/=1ck4by2

Looks like this bolt should work as is: https://www.mcmaster.com/#92770a111/=1ck4dq3, but it's as much as the whole limit stop assembly.

There, e-bay, M6 T-bolt. $1 a piece.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/M6-M8-M10M12-304-Stainless-T-Bolts-for-T-Slot-T-Head-Slot-Bolt-hammer-head-Screw/192310072499?hash=item2cc692d4b3:m:mK-XhV-w9bJC7brwFxMyMjw

That looks perfect, but it's a long shipping time to the US.
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Re: Part number for Stop block bolt - Urgent
« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2018, 09:10 PM »
There, e-bay, M6 T-bolt. $1 a piece.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/M6-M8-M10M12-304-Stainless-T-Bolts-for-T-Slot-T-Head-Slot-Bolt-hammer-head-Screw/192310072499?hash=item2cc692d4b3:m:mK-XhV-w9bJC7brwFxMyMjw
That looks perfect, but it's a long shipping time to the US.
About 3 weeks. I buy hardware from China on e-bay all the time. Never had a problem.

Offline GoingMyWay

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Re: Part number for Stop block bolt - Urgent
« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2018, 09:18 PM »
3 weeks is not too bad, especially coming all the way from China.

I didn't know it was so difficult/complicated to track down something as simple as just a bolt.  I'd assume you should be able to go to Home Depot or maybe an Ace Hardware and walk out with something that should work (maybe not the exact bolt, but maybe some bolt/washer/whatever combination that achieves nearly the same) for less than $2.

I even commented to the Festool service tech I was speaking with yesterday that it seems like Festool uses a lot of proprietary screws and other pieces of hardware.  He denied it and said most screws are just metric and should be available off the shelf...
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Re: Part number for Stop block bolt - Urgent
« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2018, 09:29 PM »
Since you titled this thread 'urgent'...  If you goal is to get back to work, just drill a hole in a piece of wood and use a T-bolt for a track stop.  Does not have to be metric.

Or forget the block and just slip a bolt in the T-slot and put a washer and nut on it and lightly tighten it down. 

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« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2018, 09:43 PM »
You guys rock! So many suggestions. Btw, it was originally urgent  [embarassed]...then I moved to a different project and put this on hold. As I originally said...I tried a lot of different things. The last resort is use the T-bolt (some filing required) from Lee Valley and use a Lee Valley knob to close it. It is sad because I do not like Mickey Mouse stuff and my Festool is brand new (3 months old). The Festool bolt is proprietary...there is no doubt about it. Anybody in EU who can tell me if there is something available there? I am on my way there for a week and I would love to use something to fix my stop and use the Festool knob.
thanks again for trying to help!

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Re: Part number for Stop block bolt - Urgent
« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2018, 08:06 AM »
I just got this email response from Festool Service:

"Finally heard back from Germany it looks like they don’t have replacement parts for the new style of limit stop the only option would be a complete replacement part number 491582."

Evidently this is the new style of limit stop.
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Offline kitui

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Re: Part number for Stop block bolt - Urgent
« Reply #28 on: April 26, 2018, 10:13 AM »
Thanks for trying hard. Yes, I purchased the system about 3 months ago. Thanks for checking. I hate when the mfg do not have spare parts of things that can be easily lost. It is a way to make more money on something that it is already very expensive. I think that it is the expectation of a customer of this luxury product (Festool) to have support on any piece of the equipment or making it easy to find a replacement for a stupid bolt out-there in the market place.  [mad]
Anyway, I will consider that for future product needs. Thank you all for helping!!!
Note: unfortunately the bolt fell in the crack of floor and ended up hiding in the insulation material (paper kind of). I cannot remove the floor planks. The hole got covered after that  [sad]

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Re: Part number for Stop block bolt - Urgent
« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2018, 11:17 AM »
That seems like a lot of work to replace what should be an off the shelf replacement part.

If you're going to go through all that trouble, why not just make your own limit stops from scratch?
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