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Offline jbasen

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Potential Clamping Elements Alternative
« on: May 04, 2014, 11:51 AM »
I just received an email blast from Rockler this morning.  They have a new clamp that could, with some modification, be a nice alternative to a Festool clamping elements. 

http://www.rockler.com/auto-lock-t-track-clamp

The clamp is designed to interface with Rockler's new T-Track Table Top system.  It looks like the T-Track bolt could be replaced by a 20mm post but I don't live anywhere near a Rockler store to check one out.  I have emailed Rockler suggesting they offer a 20mm post option. 

The adjustable clamping force offered on these clamps is a nice feature.

Jay

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Offline badtastex

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Re: Potential Clamping Elements Alternative
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2014, 12:16 PM »
Looks nice, but isnt it almost as expensive as the Festool ones? The price is 29.99$/each and then you need some kind of dog on the mating side.

I guess that it would be nice to work with a T-track system to clamp against a fence or something like that though...

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« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2014, 12:20 PM »
Looks promising. They have a 2 pack for $49. I wonder if the t bolt could be removed and a stud and shoulder less dog could be added.

Offline Charlie Hill

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Re: Potential Clamping Elements Alternative
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2014, 03:42 PM »
I wonder if they open / close more smoothly than the Festools as mine stick quite a bit.

Offline elfick

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Re: Potential Clamping Elements Alternative
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2014, 04:54 PM »
If you are working near the edge of the MFT it looks like they may be a great match to the kapex crown stops shown in kapex extension wings on MFT3

Offline Steve-Rice

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Re: Potential Clamping Elements Alternative
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2014, 11:19 PM »
I have two of the Rockler clamps.  I have a Veritas style workbench with 3/4" dog holes.  I was able to drill a hole through the center of a 3/4" dowel and screw it into the bottom of the Rockler clamps with a 5/16" bolt - now the Rockler clamps work great in my bench dog holes.  If you can turn a 20 mm dowel, or find some other 20 mm diameter cylindrical item, you could easily adapt the Rockler clamps to fit your MFT.

Offline Steve-Rice

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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2015, 11:12 AM »
ARMOR-TOOL.COM has an auto-lock clamp available with 20mm ribbed metal posts, perfect for the MFT. It appears Armor-Tool is the patent holder for the Rockler Auto-Lock clamps as both clamps look identical.  The difference is that Armor-Tool offers the post type clamp suitable for dog holes whereas the Rockler clamp is specifically for T-track mounting. Armor-Tool has a couple of other clamp styles which also have 20mm metal posts suitable for the MFT.  Check it out: http://armor-tool.com
« Last Edit: February 19, 2015, 11:16 AM by Steve-Rice »

Offline Greg Powers

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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2015, 01:12 PM »
Here is a video on the Armor dog and clamp system:



Watch in the video, they state that 20mm dogs are available.
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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2015, 01:26 PM »
Where can you buy the Armor clamps? There is nothing listed on there website? And a quick google search did not turn up anything? Maybe @Tom Bellemare or one of the other dealers will pick up the line?
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Offline Jeffonebuck

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Re: Potential Clamping Elements Alternative
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2015, 02:13 PM »

Where can you buy the Armor clamps? There is nothing listed on there website? And a quick google search did not turn up anything? Maybe @Tom Bellemare or one of the other dealers will pick up the line?
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Offline jamanjeval

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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2015, 04:57 PM »
Festool clamping elements are useful because they are low profile. You may not need that feature, but it is nice when you do.

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Re: Potential Clamping Elements Alternative
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2015, 02:40 PM »
Gentlemen,

My name is Bill Fudale, a partner in Armor Tool.  I was contacted yesterday by a few of your colleagues in the users group regarding Armor-Tool.   Firstly, we are admirers of Festool, so glad to be in the discussion.   I read through the discussion and wanted to help clarify a few items.   Armor-Tool is a new company started up by a team of industry veterans.  We own the patents for Auto Adjust technology.  You can see our line of Auto-Pro products at Armor-Tool.com.  Yes we do make Auto Adjust hold down and In line clamps with dogs, and we sell 20mm dogs to accommodate our clamps and fences. The In-Line clamp (Armor Tool part # P7-IL) comes with a split dog and can be tightened in a 20mm hole.  Armor Tool part # P7-HH hold down clamp can be fitted with a 7.5 inch 20mm dog or a 3" for shallow depth.  The clamps are easy to use, fast set up and very strong.  They are in stock now and available to order from Armor Tool.   We have an extensive product plan over the next few years and look forward to providing tools that make your work easier.  Feel free to contact me at bfudale@armor-tool.com

Offline Greg Powers

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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2015, 04:54 PM »
@Armor_Tool_Bill_Fudale is it possible to get some pricing on:

- Auto-Pro P7-IL In-Line Dog Clamp
- The 20 mm dogs for
- Auto-Pro PF-8 8″ Dog Fence
- Auto-Pro P7-HH Horizontal Dog Clamp
- 20mm Dog peg for theAuto-Pro P7-HH Horizontal Dog Clamp

Will you building on online store on you website or maybe an E-bay or Amazon store?
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Re: Potential Clamping Elements Alternative
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2015, 05:09 PM »
Bet you could sell a bunch if you did a special run in Festool green.   ;D

Offline apolloneo

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« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2015, 08:11 PM »
well, I made some rockler type clamping elements shown as following.

I found  Stainless Steel Advertising Nail Screw on Amazon. Here is the link, I'm not working for this seller. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F9P4C32/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I tap 5/16" screw thread to have regular bolt.

Just a reminder, because they are not designed for bench dog so the accuracy is a litttle bit low compare with Precision Dog. But for me, it's good enough and you cannot beat the price.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2015, 08:24 PM by apolloneo »

Offline jbasen

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Re: Potential Clamping Elements Alternative
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2015, 08:22 PM »
well, I made some rockler type clamping elements shown as following

So how well do they work and what did you use for the 20mm dogs?

Nice job

Offline apolloneo

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« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2015, 08:40 PM »
well, I made some rockler type clamping elements shown as following

So how well do they work and what did you use for the 20mm dogs?

Nice job

Thanks! It works pretty well. This is my first post, so I didn't sure the content when I post those pictures. I updated my reply.

Offline jbasen

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« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2015, 09:22 PM »
well, I made some rockler type clamping elements shown as following

So how well do they work and what did you use for the 20mm dogs?

Nice job

Thanks! It works pretty well. This is my first post, so I didn't sure the content when I post those pictures. I updated my reply.

Thanks.  The 20mm standoffs on amazon look interesting too. 

Offline Steve-Rice

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« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2015, 11:24 AM »
Yesterday, I sent an email to Bill Fudale of Armor-Tool asking if I could place an order for two of their auto lock dog clamps and one of their dog fences.  Bill called me back a couple of hours later and we had a very enjoyable and quite extensive conversation about new products they have coming out and how their products will be available for purchase.  It turns out that they have entered into marketing agreements with Woodcraft and Rockler and Armor-Tool should be sending out their first shipments in the next few weeks.  So we should be seeing their products available from these retailers soon.  Amor-Tool is currently in negotiations with other vendors as well.  Bill was kind enough to allow me to place an order directly with him, but once his vendors start selling his products, that will no longer be the case - as they obviously don't want to compete with their marketing partners. Bill was genuinely excited about new products they have in their pipeline, but didn't reveal specific information about them to me. Bill was a pleasure to talk to and I'm looking forward to receiving my shipment from him.

Thanks, Bill. Wishing you and Armor-Tool all the best,
Steve

Offline Greg Powers

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« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2015, 07:48 PM »
Armor-Tool is going to have some great tool......
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Offline Mike Goetzke

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Re: Potential Clamping Elements Alternative
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2019, 08:52 PM »
I know this is an old thread but I found a good deal on clamping element alternatives.

If you search for "Craftsman Auto-Adjust Push Peg Clamp 949808 " you will find these in-line clamps for around $16 each. They look identical to Armor that have a split peg that can be tightened in an MFT hole. I tried them out and they work great in a 20mm hole!

I also found on the Sears hardware site Armor type "dog-fences" in 8" and 12" versions for around $10 each. (These look like the LeeValley and Festool low profile clamps)

Mike

Offline Ptk16

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« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2019, 07:52 PM »
Those are definitely rebranded armor tool clamps

Offline kbwoodworker

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Re: Potential Clamping Elements Alternative
« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2019, 11:29 PM »
They have these on Amazon as well.  I got a couple of the fences when Sears near us was closing.  Fences have a 3/4" peg, but I think Armor sells 20mm replacements.  I have a small 3/4" bench, but would rather use them on the 20mm bench.

Offline promark747

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« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2019, 09:26 AM »
I have found the Kreg In-Line Clamps to work very well.  I like being able to dial them in to just the right pressure; with the Festool clamping elements, I always felt that the cam was putting too much pressure on the holes and would often lift up the work piece.  Plus, the Kreg clamp is only $20.

https://www.kregtool.com/store/c29/bench-clamps/p434/in-line-clamp/