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Offline Peter Durand

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shop first aid
« on: August 18, 2016, 01:14 PM »
I am not sure if this is the correct place to ask this, but here goes.

I have a one person shop (approx 25x30 feet) which has many Festools but no first aid kit. What should I put together for such a kit? Are there some sort of standard kits available for this environment? Years ago an ER doc in another woodworking forum gave a list of items, but damned if I can find it.

Any help appreciated.

Cheers,

Peter

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Offline copcarcollector

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Re: shop first aid
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2016, 02:13 PM »
When I was building out my shop, I bought a mid range priced first aid kit on Amazon, maybe $60, with the basics in it. I also bought a self contained eye wash station to mount on the wall. I have only used a few band aids so far---  Better safe than sorry!

Offline RobBob

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Re: shop first aid
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2016, 02:30 PM »
See Reply #93 in this old thread for a list of first aid kit contents.  These first aid kits are no longer available.  May WOW RIP.

First Aid Contents in Reply #93
« Last Edit: August 18, 2016, 05:16 PM by RobBob »

Offline RKA

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Re: shop first aid
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2016, 02:32 PM »
A little while back wow (RIP) put together kits that were essentially mini-trauma kits.  He included an inventory of the contents in case we ever needed to restock.  I'm sure someone could post a picture of the inventory list and you can pick and choose what you need.  It was really well thought out, thankfully the handful of times I've needed it, it's all been for minor stuff, but I'm glad I have it around. 

If someone doesn't post a picture I'll add it later this evening.  You might even find it buried in his first aid systainer thread on the FOG.
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Offline RobBob

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Re: shop first aid
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2016, 05:08 PM »
A little while back wow (RIP) put together kits that were essentially mini-trauma kits.  He included an inventory of the contents in case we ever needed to restock.  I'm sure someone could post a picture of the inventory list and you can pick and choose what you need.  It was really well thought out, thankfully the handful of times I've needed it, it's all been for minor stuff, but I'm glad I have it around. 

If someone doesn't post a picture I'll add it later this evening.  You might even find it buried in his first aid systainer thread on the FOG.

@RKA I provided a link to the original WOW first aid thread in the post just above yours.

Anyway, the PDF file is attached again here:
« Last Edit: August 19, 2016, 05:25 PM by RobBob »

Offline Bert Vanderveen

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Re: shop first aid
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2016, 05:38 PM »
A Dutch dealer sells First Aid kits in a mini-systainer, I own one, and two or three others of the regular kind, apart from the one in my car : ). But it IS nice to have one in a familiar case!
See: http://www.bannedlink.com/pbm/medi-tainer-dé-ehbo-doos-voor-de-zzper-en-klusser/18147
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Re: shop first aid
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2016, 05:17 AM »
Hi!

Here's my approach: http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-and-tanos-systainers/first-aid-kit-my-way/

It exceeds German DIN Standard 13157.

I only post this for reference, since you are located in Canada and probably need to comply with ANSI standard.

Kind regards,
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Re: shop first aid
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2016, 03:28 PM »
I just ran to the drug store, bought a variety of band aids, some white tape, gauze and some antiseptic ...

Im going to add some super glue (yea it works great). Anything more, Ill probably end up in the ER
« Last Edit: August 20, 2016, 06:37 AM by jobsworth »
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Offline GarryMartin

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Re: shop first aid
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2016, 03:53 PM »
Im going to add some super glue (yea it works great)

Just be careful with the super glue. Although it is used medically, it's a slightly different formulation.

http://www.realfirstaid.co.uk/superglue/
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Re: shop first aid
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2016, 12:04 AM »
Im going to add some super glue (yea it works great)

Just be careful with the super glue. Although it is used medically, it's a slightly different formulation.

http://www.realfirstaid.co.uk/superglue/


Great link Garry   [thumbs up]

Seems to concisely cover what one needs to know.

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Offline Rustys

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Re: shop first aid
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2016, 07:22 AM »
I was looking for a first aid kit and couldn't find one from Festool and missed the custom ones that were offered here (I was late to the game). So I purchased a Systainer mini and insert. I found a guy on Etsy that printed a custom first aide plaque for the T-Lock handle. Bought some band aides, antibiotic cream, antiseptic pads, and tweezers to round out the kit. Works for basic triage. If someone is interested in Etsy link, let me know.

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Re: shop first aid
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2016, 08:39 AM »
So then lets recap

The proper shop first aid kit needs

Bandaids

Tape

Gauze

anti septic cream

Super Glue

Drs / ERs phone number,

Fridge full of beer, to drink while waiting for the ambulance
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Offline Peter Durand

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Re: shop first aid
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2016, 11:16 AM »
Thanks for all the replies folks.

I will make sure to include this item from jobsworth "Fridge full of beer, to drink while waiting for the ambulance"  :-)

Cheers,

Peter

Offline Lou in DE

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Re: shop first aid
« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2016, 12:02 PM »
About a year ago I was climb cutting some oak on the router table (without push blocks [eek]) and sure enough got pulled into the bit slicing my finger pretty badly - not enough for an ER trip, but it bled for quite a while and took a month or more to heal. That incident encouraged me to put together a first aid kit - mostly stuff I purchased from Amazon. I probably went overboard and haven't had to use it since then - hopefully it will stay that way.

The contents are (with prices paid where I had them):

1 - PAC KIT (30 alcohol wipes, 6 first aid/burn cream, 6 antibiotic ointment) packets - $5.00
1 - PAC KIT EYE WASH KIT (flushing solution, eye pads, adhesive strips) - $4.77
1 - PAC KIT OVIDONE IODINE WIPE (10 pads) - $1.57
1 - BENZALKONIUM WIPES 5in x 6in (box of 100) - $4.97
1 - TRAUMA PAK (clotting sponge with gauze pads & roll, gloves, bandage, antiseptic) - $19.33
1 - ISRAELI COMPRESSION BANDAGE (6 in x 70 in) - $9.14
1 - TRAUMA SHEAR (7 inch) - $3.73
1 - TWEEZERS (Tweezpro stainless steel) - $7.97
10+ - BAND AIDS (1 in x 3 in) ?$
5+ - GAUZE PADS (4 in x 4 in and 3 in x 3 in assorted) ?$
2 - ROLLED GAUZE ?$

Couple pics (red duct tape over the t-lock):





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Offline bdiemer

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Re: shop first aid
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2016, 01:10 PM »
I know it's a bit off the beaten path, but in my life as a first responder, the two go hand and hand. Don't forget a fire extinguisher. Keep in mind also in an emergency water is fine to flush hazard material from the eyes. The small amounts of saline in those kits does not nearly reach the copious amounts needed. We used to say when you think you've flushed the eye enough, start flushing.

Offline leakyroof

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Re: shop first aid
« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2016, 04:03 PM »
I highly recommend the foldable tweezers with the built-in magnifying glass. Great for those tiny metal slivers that you feel but can't see, or something similar and equally annoying.  I own 2 pairs of them.  I think Lee Valley has sold them among other vendors as well.http://www.leevalley.com/US/garden/page.aspx?p=10435&cat=2,42551,62567,10435
 Just posted a link to them at Lee Valley
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Offline leakyroof

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Re: shop first aid
« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2016, 04:06 PM »
So then lets recap

The proper shop first aid kit needs

Bandaids

Tape

Gauze

anti septic cream

Super Glue

Drs / ERs phone number,

Fridge full of beer, to drink while waiting for the ambulance
  WHAT, no 'Burger Girl/nurse' to help you into the Ambulance... [wink]
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Re: shop first aid
« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2016, 04:06 PM »
 I don't know where ya can buy one
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Offline leakyroof

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Re: shop first aid
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2016, 10:14 PM »
I don't know where ya can buy one
well, true, they probably wouldn't even fit in a Sys 5... [wink]
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Offline RNEMTP

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Re: shop first aid
« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2017, 07:19 AM »
Some of the kits on here look really nice but are overkill. You don’t need that many rolls of gauze. I’m a Nurse and a Paramedic and haven’t used that much gauze unless I was tying someone down with it. Here’s a list off the top of my head:

Bandaids - get an assortment of different kinds, get the stretchy ones.
4x4 gauze pads
Coban self adhering elastic bandage
Hydrogen Peroxide
Betadine
Tweezers - good ones
Antibiotic ointment (Neosporin)
C.A.T Tourniquet - can find them online for about 10 bucks
I saw someone mention super glue. You can close a wound with CA glue but make sure the wound is REALLY CLEAN!!! Let it bleed a little while then rinse with HP and Betadine if you aren’t allergic to iodine. Pinch the cut closed then apply to the exterior skin. But really, you should just put a pressure dressing on it and go to the emergency room.
Bottle of saline solution for eye wash. Again, if you can’t flush it out, go to the ER.
NO burn cream!!! Dry sterile dressing
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Offline ben_r_

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Re: shop first aid
« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2017, 06:22 PM »
See Reply #93 in this old thread for a list of first aid kit contents.  These first aid kits are no longer available.  May WOW RIP.

First Aid Contents in Reply #93
Did anyone ever pick these back up and make more? Seems like these should be made still available!
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Offline DiscoStu

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Re: shop first aid
« Reply #22 on: March 17, 2017, 04:16 AM »
First aid is all about providing enough help until a professional can deal with it. So for something serious that's going to be an ambulance for something less serious it's going to be a trip to A&E or the ER or similar. For even less serious it can be dealt with at home.

Most first aid kits try to cover lots of eventualities but it might be better to just have a tin containing the things you're most likely to need.

I'd suggest the most common injury is likely to be a cut of some sort. So

Plasters
Steristips
A few dressings
Something like Celox would be sensible (this is a dressing that causes blood to clot and stops bleeding it was developed for the battlefield as far as I know and has probably saved a lot of lives)

Plenty of eye wash

A good pair of tweezers

No burn creams should be used. The reason being that these creams are designed for small burns but often they get used for more serious burns and the oils from them get into the skin which can continue to burn and they can cause issues if a skin graft is required. Just loads of cold water for burns (except electrical burns).

Tourniquets are not recommended for use in the U.K. by our first aid instructors however if it's a case of applying a tourniquet or them bleeding to death I know which is do. The chance are you can apply one and then let the professionals deal with it. The issue with them is that it prevents blood from moving around the body and it causes toxins to build up in the blood that is trapped when the tourniquet is removed the toxins are released and you can potentially die from toxic shock. I am involved in training youngsters in mountain walking etc so they may be a long way from help. Our training says that if you have to use a tourniquet to keep someone alive then do so but release the blood ever 10 minutes.

Whilst a first aid kit is a useful thing to have you're better off with some first aid training and no kit than a kit and no idea how to use it. There are plenty of things in the workshop we can use in an emergency.

CA glue has been mentioned and my understanding is that this was initially developed for medical use.

However some paper towel on a cut with a bit of gaffa or masking tape to hold it on will be a pretty decent plaster.


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Offline Bob D.

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Re: shop first aid
« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2017, 06:02 AM »
When I was building out my shop, I bought a mid range priced first aid kit on Amazon, maybe $60, with the basics in it. I also bought a self contained eye wash station to mount on the wall. I have only used a few band aids so far---  Better safe than sorry!

How often do you flush and refill your portable eyewash?

I ask because at work we have these and they are serviced
once a year. Drained, cleaned and filled with fresh fluid.

Or does yours' not require this maintenance.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2017, 07:42 AM by Bob D. »
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Offline Rhino1789

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Re: shop first aid
« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2017, 06:31 AM »
I also was unable to find a sufficiently equipped first aid kit, so I made one myself using an unused Bosch L-Boxx. It's got all the boo boo supplies (bandaids, ice pack, Advil, and such) as well as the more substantive trauma supplies (tourniquet, quick clot, etc). 
« Last Edit: March 17, 2017, 06:34 AM by Rhino1789 »

Offline L.N.

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Re: shop first aid
« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2017, 06:41 AM »
In the Netherlands are at least 2 companies who sell first aid kits. Both use mini systainers for their kits. Unfortunately, both have only a Dutch description. I have the GereedschapPro-version.

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Offline coho10

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Re: shop first aid
« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2017, 11:47 AM »
I used a Sys 1 and made up my own.

Offline rst

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Re: shop first aid
« Reply #27 on: March 17, 2017, 11:49 AM »
Coho, using the inserts is a great idea for separation and reduction of the digging factor.   [smile]