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Working on making my MFT and CMS more mobile for the workshop/garage I am using the same system as for my KAPEX Workstation built using plywood and aluminium profile systems from KJN Profiles, aluminium cost about £8.50 a linear meter for the 45mm x 45mm profile. Its pretty easy to use, KJN cut the profile as part of the above cost to the lengths you require so its just a case on drilling and bolting (bolts are self tapping M12 with a TORX 50 head). The slots are 10mm, so the 12mm ply is routed to slot into the profile groove. The drawer slides also bolt into the grove, I use a bolt through the slide with a t-nut in the channel, means its quick to slide the runners to whatever spacing you require Building the base frame  Base frame almost complete (took about 4 hours)  For the 6 uprights that support the CMS and MFT, I have a core screw to be able to level the top with other worskhop equipment  Getting there...  Full extention runners. The boxed in space under the CMS has slides for my addition CMS modules.. so its a mini ModPort!  Even has drawers on the otherside  Same system for my drill press, need to make the 2 drawers for the underside (as per the KAPEX workstation)  KAPEX and SYSPORT MFT side by side (plus lots of mess to sort)  I am also building a CMS based stand alone trolley based on this system.. shorts to follow soon
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« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2011, 04:49 PM » |
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great job matt. cant wait to see more.
how much do it cost in total for the aluminium
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now ts 55+2 1400 rails+ 1 lr32 1400 rail, domino+assortment systainer+ domiplate, ct 22 with boom arm+home made thien baffel, lr32 set, rotex 150, home made MFT,home made work center, 6 t locs for other tools, of2000 , ro 90, mft 800, trion , ls 130 wish list of 1400, MFT 3,, even more t locs for other tools
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« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2011, 05:03 PM » |
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Really nice planning and execution, Matt. You'd be a good addition to the "Sysport Class".
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« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2011, 05:57 PM » |
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That is great Matt! Perfect for shop/home use, what do you think you had into the whole thing $ ? I like it! 
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« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2011, 07:30 PM » |
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Wow, this looks good. 
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mattfc
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« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2011, 03:19 AM » |
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In terms of execution, I did the design using Microsoft Visio (am a corporate worker by day). The stick man type isometric picture is important to to make sure you count the right number of pieces. I could have done this in Sketch-up I guess but would need to learn how to use it, so this worked fine (I did see there is already some profile inn the 3d warehouse. The stuff I used is Bosch Rexwroth  The costings are as follows:- | Item | £ | $ | | 19.85m of Aluminium | £205 | $325 | | Castors | £44 | $70 | | 60 core bolts | £29 | $46 | | Ply 2 sheets 12mm WPB | £32 | $52 | | 12x 350mm drawer slides | £72 | $115 | | Total | £382 | $608 |
So not cheap but will last, is configurable, can still change it a bit, wont rust or warp, very easy to bolt additions on. I have found that planning it out is very important. I have a blade to cut Alu on the KAPEX but wouldn't want to do lots of it, so have worked out all the lengths first and KJN cut it. They are pretty accurate, I would say to at least 0.5mm
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« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2011, 04:24 AM » |
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thanks matt i know you think it is expensive but i thought it would be a lot dearer. 400 pounds isnt bad when you think that you can re use 90 % of it. add bits. i might build something like this
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now ts 55+2 1400 rails+ 1 lr32 1400 rail, domino+assortment systainer+ domiplate, ct 22 with boom arm+home made thien baffel, lr32 set, rotex 150, home made MFT,home made work center, 6 t locs for other tools, of2000 , ro 90, mft 800, trion , ls 130 wish list of 1400, MFT 3,, even more t locs for other tools
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
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« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2011, 04:37 AM » |
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thanks matt i know you think it is expensive but i thought it would be a lot dearer. 400 pounds isnt bad when you think that you can re use 90 % of it. add bits. i might build something like this
I agree, I don't think its too bad either, total cost in vat and delivery of all the components to make what you see in the pics (exluding runners and plywood), the drill press and a router table which I will do a progress post on soon was just over £600. The cost of getting good quality timber to build it all wouldn't be hugely less, since the alu is 50% of the cost, runners etc soon add up which you need either way. I just prefer the rigidity and fixed nature of alu (no warping etc) for this sort of thing. Plus its light.. I could quite easily lift the complete subframe and had to to get some of the bolts in.. I would struggle with wood. Also having all the pieces of alu cut to size as part of the cost is a major time saver!!
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« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2011, 05:20 AM » |
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looks like a great job. 400 quid well spent.
if i could get my hands on some free aluminium, i would have a crack at his myself.
thanks for sharing, justin.
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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2011, 08:48 AM » |
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Thanks Matt, that price here is 1 sysport, so I think you did great!
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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2011, 09:54 AM » |
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Thanks a lot Matt! A very inspiring design!
I was in the middle of building a Kapex Workstation (timber) and your design got me thinking if it actually wouldn't be better to use Aluminum like in your Kapex Workstation project. Did you use the same software to design the Kapex Workstation and could you post the drawing and parts list?
I don't use my MFT outside of the workshop very often, but there were some projects I had to. Is your MFT and the CMS screwed to the Aluminum frame or could it still be taken off in a few minutes?
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« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2011, 11:33 AM » |
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Thanks a lot Matt! A very inspiring design!
I was in the middle of building a Kapex Workstation (timber) and your design got me thinking if it actually wouldn't be better to use Aluminum like in your Kapex Workstation project. Did you use the same software to design the Kapex Workstation and could you post the drawing and parts list?
I don't use my MFT outside of the workshop very often, but there were some projects I had to. Is your MFT and the CMS screwed to the Aluminum frame or could it still be taken off in a few minutes?
Please see below pictures, plus I have included a couple of the KAPEX fixing, its leveled using the 4 threaded bars (the KAPEX platform is suspended) and then once at the exact height, locked into place using the quick connectors)   Mock up of KAPEX platform  Actual platform 
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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2011, 11:44 AM » |
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Matt, Very well executed! By the way, how did you do ISO with Visio? Is there any stencils out there? I pretty much use Visio when designing my own roller table. Cheers.
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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2011, 12:02 PM » |
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Matt, Very well executed! By the way, how did you do ISO with Visio? Is there any stencils out there? I pretty much use Visio when designing my own roller table. Cheers.
I did the iso by freehand, visio doesn't do much (other than to be able to set a line at 60/30 degrees)
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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2011, 12:18 PM » |
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I see. Well, it came out really good.
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« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2011, 12:52 PM » |
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pure hawtness. If I ever have the space, I'll definitely do something like this.
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« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2011, 04:16 PM » |
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And the first pictures of the dedicated router table with the Wixey digital routout Still need to put the drawers in underneath, they will store my OF1100 and OF1400 plus router bits  Mounted on a post for easier reading 
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« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2011, 04:52 PM » |
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I don't use my MFT outside of the workshop very often, but there were some projects I had to. Is your MFT and the CMS screwed to the Aluminum frame or could it still be taken off in a few minutes?
No it just rests, my precise measuring paid off, it a tight fit, has to be dropped on perfectly vertical. It's quick to take off, then just bolt the legs on. Took a while to get the legs off as there is a nyloc bolt. But if you were just popping off for a quick job I wouldn't bother, could probably convert it back in 5 mins or so
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« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2011, 09:05 PM » |
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very nice !!!!!!! anybody know where to get same profiles in the states? i will nee to build kapex workstation soon
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« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2011, 09:17 PM » |
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Wintu You could go do a search for 8020 on EBay and use their store to see what you need. This is a location for alot of their job left overs. I order from them often you Will lamazed at their inventory of goodies. The have T slot Alum rail in fractional and metric. They carry the 4545 and the 4590 series rails used above
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« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2011, 12:31 AM » |
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thanks Sal . will check it out
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« Reply #21 on: July 14, 2011, 06:03 PM » |
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Finally got around to just about finishing it. As others will know, there are a few shortcomings on the Festool CMS router module, one being to no fine adjustable way to move both faces of the fence back (just the right hand one can be recessed to use the fence planer style) plus keeping the fence parallel to the front of the module (and the sliding carriage I have) is a manual effort, so since Incra now do a metric version of their fence I have combined it into the design   Router bit storage in the 2 drawers  The Wixey digital readout was another addition.. has been great, wind the bit up to be level with the table.. press the "zero" button and you can quickly set the bit height to the nearest 100th of a mm  OF2200 mounting view  The Wixey does fractions for our imperial friends :-)  Onto the Incra.. I mounted it on pivots so it lifts clear of the table, in case I want to use a template bit and want a free surface.. or want to use the festool fence  Hinge detail  Incra LS positioner deployed, the red lever locks the fence in place one at the desired distance, it has an intermediate position for fine adjustment  Front view of the fence arrangement. I have the "Wonder" fence attached, which in addition allows you to adjust the mouth for the large bits, and move the left and right side back and forth to change their depth  To adjust the depth of the fence wings, there is a wedge system which allows very fine control  The whole fence can be moved back and forth (see the earlier pic with the big red locking lever), this knob is for fine adjusting  Festool fence can be used when the Incra has been pivoted away  I didn't find the CMS plate alignment was perfect with the surrounding CMS framework, so I used some profile below and drilled (carefully!!) through the CMS plate. These two countersunk socket screws bolt into the profile below and pull the whole assembly dead flat  Onto my CMS+ MFT sysport.. I created a cabinet below the CMS mount for my spare module to go in.. simple hinge door  The plate+tool not in use can be stored here  Side view  Drawers extend to allow access to systainers  Drill stand completed  Eagle eyes might spot the Zobo Festool drillbits in the drawer :-)  A couple of random additions... I was struggling to find a good way to put wheels on my workbench and wanted to take advantage of the stability of having the bench on the floor.. but be bale to move it. I found some jockey wheels that have a side wind mechanism (rated at 1000lbs each wheel).. so whilst not pretty, do a good job. Once wound down the castors go below the bench so they can rotate (the winding mech. has a travel of over 12")  2nd pic.. they wheels on ebay were £15 each so not much more that a good quality castor  KAPEX by night! 
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« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2011, 04:05 AM » |
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Great job Matt!!!!!!
How do you handle dust/ chippings with the Positioner on the CMS? Only with the super fence? To me it seems without, it could be difficult to control dust and chippings from routing.
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« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2011, 04:44 AM » |
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Great job Matt!!!!!!
How do you handle dust/ chippings with the Positioner on the CMS? Only with the super fence? To me it seems without, it could be difficult to control dust and chippings from routing.
The Wonderfence profile if blocked off on one end and the other has a 50mm port (you can see the black 90deg bend on the left hand side for extraction) and where the two fences split to adjust for bit size, there is also an inner lining to improve extraction. All that said, I tend to extract through the OF2200 as there is a pretty good dust shroud and get a good throughput with a 38mm hose
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« Reply #24 on: July 15, 2011, 05:09 AM » |
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you could put a y on the wonder fence and a 35 mm going to the router
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now ts 55+2 1400 rails+ 1 lr32 1400 rail, domino+assortment systainer+ domiplate, ct 22 with boom arm+home made thien baffel, lr32 set, rotex 150, home made MFT,home made work center, 6 t locs for other tools, of2000 , ro 90, mft 800, trion , ls 130 wish list of 1400, MFT 3,, even more t locs for other tools
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
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« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2011, 05:40 AM » |
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you could put a y on the wonder fence and a 35 mm going to the router
Yes will probably do that... should work pretty well
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« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2011, 06:42 AM » |
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Unfortunately I am using the OF 1010 and the extraction is really poor.
In addition I didn't buy the Wonderfence upgrade, just the normal fence and since then I am thinking about an extraction solution.
I guess for my setup the Wonderfence will do the trick.
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« Reply #27 on: July 15, 2011, 08:44 AM » |
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Fabulous job Matt! It looks like a great addition to your shop.
Those aluminum profiles are available in the US from 80/20 and they will even cut them to length for you. Steve
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« Reply #28 on: July 15, 2011, 04:30 PM » |
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awesome job matt!
i might have to make something similar based on your amazing design.
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« Reply #29 on: July 20, 2011, 10:44 AM » |
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Matt,
Reading throught he thread. Very impressive.
I like what you have done with those profiles. I did have one question though... Where is the 45x90 profile located in the sysport w CMS and MFT? I see you call out 3 pieces and I dont see where they are in the drawing. They are essentially 2 of the same profile togehter??
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