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Offline Festoller

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Systainer MFT Top Workbench
« on: August 03, 2011, 05:20 AM »
Somone posted another version of this top a few weeks ago, but it was just a plywood board attached to the Systainer and you had to take it off to use the Festool clamps.

This version sold on Ebay gives you the proper spacing between top and Systainer, to use the Festool clamps without lifting the top first.

The most interesting part are the metal fittings used to attach the snappers. I don't think this is a Festool part, but it would be interesting to find out what kind of fitting this is for more easy Systainer attachment projects.




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Re: Systainer MFT Top Workbench
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2011, 07:41 AM »
nice find, it would indeed be interesting to find out what hardware that is, though i only have T-locs. for those you would need a completely different design.
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Re: Systainer MFT Top Workbench
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2011, 09:11 AM »
looks handy. i would like to know about the hardware.
if it was mine i would put holes or a t track on the side.
i could see myself putting this on top of the vac for site use
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Re: Systainer MFT Top Workbench
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2011, 12:21 PM »
I would also like to know about that hardware.  Not only what it is, but will it wear out the plastic Festool clips?      I would add a handle shaped cutout in the middle (or a pull up/out handle) so I could carry it with a few systainers attached.   

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Re: Systainer MFT Top Workbench
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2011, 06:03 AM »
it looks a lot like mine, which was patented in feb 2010. check it out on www.diafer.nl

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Re: Systainer MFT Top Workbench
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2011, 06:09 AM »
 [welcome] to the fog
great idea.

any chance of a translate or general jist of what it says. prices etc
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Re: Systainer MFT Top Workbench
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2011, 06:46 AM »
it looks a lot like mine, which was patented in feb 2010. check it out on www.diafer.nl

Well done. Get started on the T-loc one.....  [big grin]
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Re: Systainer MFT Top Workbench
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2011, 07:37 AM »
it looks a lot like mine, which was patented in feb 2010. check it out on www.diafer.nl

Dang!!!  Another item to add to the NAINA list.  Bummah!!! 

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Re: Systainer MFT Top Workbench
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2011, 10:50 AM »
I would also like to know about that hardware.  Not only what it is, but will it wear out the plastic Festool clips?      I would add a handle shaped cutout in the middle (or a pull up/out handle) so I could carry it with a few systainers attached.   

From what I can see in the photo the hardware looks like the clip side of a draw latch, similar to ones sold by McMaster:



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Re: Systainer MFT Top Workbench
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2011, 03:18 PM »
it looks a lot like mine, which was patented in feb 2010. check it out on www.diafer.nl

Well, yours looks much better with more features! Great design! Can you post more details (prices, dealers, order info)?
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Re: Systainer MFT Top Workbench
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2011, 03:34 PM »
I got a few photos of the hardware and I would guess it's some kind of wall / ceiling anchor or perforated steel tape. It was cut and bent to fit the snapper. If you look closely you can figure out that the tape has a repetitive pattern. Although in my first search I couldn't find this specific brand, but I'll keep looking.

It would be great to use for a lot of different Systainer tops!



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Offline Festoller

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Re: Systainer MFT Top Workbench
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2011, 03:38 AM »
bror:

I assume you used a more reliable hardware to attach your worktop to the Systainer snapper, than the DIY perforated steel tape or anchor solution shown on the photos.

I wouldn't trust this piece of metal to carry arround any of my Festools, and it also seems to be perfect for all kinds of injuires.

Would you share what kind of snapper hardware you used, or if it's your own design make it available for purchase. I guess we all have projects in mind where a proper Systainer connection might be helpfull.

And please post some information on how to pruchase your Systand!
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Re: Systainer MFT Top Workbench
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2011, 03:45 PM »
the hardware is lasercut 1,5 mm stainless steel
hope you can see enough details on pictures

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Offline optimistisch

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Re: Systainer MFT Top Workbench
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2011, 07:36 PM »
The metall parts look pretty good. Do you sell the tops to Germany? I would like to have one of them?

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Re: Systainer MFT Top Workbench
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2011, 03:16 AM »
Yes! I would like to have some too!

How about the price for the complete Systand?
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Re: Systainer MFT Top Workbench
« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2011, 10:38 AM »
I would love to buy some of that hardware!

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Offline Alan m

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Re: Systainer MFT Top Workbench
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2011, 09:05 AM »
i too would love to buy some of those fittings. maybe sell the plans and a enough hardware to make 3 -4 tops.
im sure you would sell them as shipping a ply box would get expensive.
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Re: Systainer MFT Top Workbench
« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2011, 02:08 PM »
How about the price for the complete Systand?

I asked, it's 79 euro excluding 19% VAT or shipping.
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Re: Systainer MFT Top Workbench
« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2011, 02:15 PM »
I got the same price too, that is far to much. I would pay 60 Euro incl. the VAT and a reasonable cost for shipping (some 7 Euro). But have the 79 Euro plus 19% and 19 Euro shipping ist pretty close to 129 Euro and this is to much for that "tricky wooden thing".
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Re: Systainer MFT Top Workbench
« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2011, 02:59 PM »
i PM and emailed the seller.
i got the same price . its way too dear , especially when im not local. . i offered to buy plans and a few sets of the hard ware.
 i offered 30 euro for the plans( quiet a lot in my opinion) and 20 euro for 16 pieces of hardware(4 sets) . thats a very good offer that would net him ( him i think not sure) 50 euro for very little out lay or work.
sadly he hasnt replied to either and has been logged into the fog since i sent the PM.
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Re: Systainer MFT Top Workbench
« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2011, 03:03 PM »
It might be worthwhile to remember that it was posted that he had obtained a patent on this assembly.  That might explain reluctance to sell plans or hardware separately.

Just a thought.

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Re: Systainer MFT Top Workbench
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2011, 03:14 PM »
your probably right  peter but a reply stating that (or even just a fob off story ) would be nice. .i dought there is a worldwide patent as we would known about the product sooner as he would be trying to recoupe some of the colosal investment needed to get the patent.
can you not sell plans etc and still retain propety rights.

 
there is very little stoping me making some of these for my personal use only time. i feel there is some good benifits to this system as i could make up small tool stations for site use,(such as a jigsawcms type set up, router table, belt sander, pocket hole jig, etc)
i am only persuing this properly because i would like to give credit where its due.
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Re: Systainer MFT Top Workbench
« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2011, 03:59 PM »
I don't think 79 EUR is completely over the top and if Festool offered a Systand like this the price would be a whole new level. A new MFT top or some MFT clamping elements cost the same.

Although the idea is simple and many of us probably thought about it before, it takes a lot of time and money to design and manufacture a marketable product. Not to mention the cost for a patent.

The Systand looks very well manufactured probably high quality beech ply, CNCed and the hardware is a custom design. I don't think you'll be able to make your own version for this price if you include labour and you still need the proper hardware.

Anyway, I have ordered one and will write a little review as soon as it's here, probably by the end of the week.
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Re: Systainer MFT Top Workbench
« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2011, 04:47 PM »
great to hear that you ordered one.
cant wait for the review, they look very handy
if i was to make one i wouldnt be woried about it being exactly perfect .

to get one to my door  all in would easily be 150 euro. +any import duties.
i dont feel that at that price it is worth it.
if i could get the hardware and plan(only to give credit for the design) for 50 euro and make it myself it would be worth it
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Re: Systainer MFT Top Workbench
« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2017, 11:27 AM »
it looks a lot like mine, which was patented in feb 2010. check it out on www.diafer.nl

I know it's been a while but have you done a t-loc version?  Love it!

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Re: Systainer MFT Top Workbench
« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2017, 12:57 PM »
it looks a lot like mine, which was patented in feb 2010. check it out on www.diafer.nl
I know it's been a while but have you done a t-loc version?  Love it!
Probably. If you look at @bror avatar there are two versions classic and t-loc.

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Re: Systainer MFT Top Workbench
« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2017, 03:42 PM »
Hi @jdw101 and @Svar

See the T-loc version here:

www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/t-systand-t-loc-systainer-top-workbench

and the story behind it on:

www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-and-tanos-systainers/anyone-remember-the-first-systainer-mft

The T-systand is still in production

The original Systand is back in production since two weeks.

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Re: Systainer MFT Top Workbench
« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2017, 01:19 AM »
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