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Offline simonh

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TSO GRS-16PE + MFT
« on: April 11, 2018, 05:58 AM »
I bought a TSO GRS16-PE for cutting large sheets square.

Then I had a thought. Can this be used on the MFT instead of the stock fence (with repeatability issues) or parf/rail dogs (often reducing the cut width of the MFT and relying on the CNC hole pattern). I took a look and it had the perfect size thread to go onto the MFT flip rail bracket (unfortunately only 1 screw location will fit instead of 2).

It makes a quick setup with guaranteed squareness between the fence (GRS) and rail. I checked with a Woodpeckers 1280 it's good.

The idea of having it mounted is that it can be quickly flipped up and down when cutting lots of smaller pieces and saves cutting through all over the table which would occur if I used it manually for each cut.

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Re: TSO GRS-16PE + MFT
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2018, 07:37 AM »
Great Discovery!  @TSO Products

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Re: TSO GRS-16PE + MFT
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2018, 07:48 AM »
@Simon H  - leave it to customers to find new uses or special needs!
 We will look into this and try it ourselves to see where to take this idea.

Stay tuned and thanks for sharing
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Offline SoonerFan

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Re: TSO GRS-16PE + MFT
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2018, 10:17 PM »
Good idea.  Always seem to find clever things like this on FOG.  Thanks for sharing.

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Re: TSO GRS-16PE + MFT
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2018, 10:34 PM »
any FOG member interested in this feature on a production GRS-16 PE, please email us  (not PM via FOG) us  with the subject line of this thread:
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Offline John Stevens

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Re: TSO GRS-16PE + MFT
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2018, 09:48 PM »
Hmmm, years ago my experience with the MFT led me to abandon it as a cuttting table.  The TSO GRS is an awesome product for using the FEstool track saw without the MFT.  But your idea is intriguing.  Thanks for sharing, Iill give it a try.

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Offline Bigdaddy65

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Re: TSO GRS-16PE + MFT
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2018, 10:33 PM »
How were you able to raise the rail and keep it square with only 1 screw?

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: TSO GRS-16PE + MFT
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2018, 11:25 PM »
How were you able to raise the rail and keep it square with only 1 screw?

Looking at the arrangement I believe the 2 pieces work together. Even if the square rotates a little the rail moves with it, keeping them square.

Tom

Offline simonh

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Re: TSO GRS-16PE + MFT
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2018, 03:14 PM »
The TSO connects square to the rail automatically when you lock the clamp on the TSO. That's the great thing, it doesn't matter if the rail is kept square to the table or slops around, just make sure you push the wood tight up against the TSO square and you're guaranteed a square cut.

Offline Bigdaddy65

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Re: TSO GRS-16PE + MFT
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2018, 10:47 PM »
The TSO connects square to the rail automatically when you lock the clamp on the TSO. That's the great thing, it doesn't matter if the rail is kept square to the table or slops around, just make sure you push the wood tight up against the TSO square and you're guaranteed a square cut.

Right, I’ll try to clarify. When raising the rail with only the one screw holding the GRS on the bracket what keeps the rail and square from rotating right or left?

Offline Jmacpherson

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Re: TSO GRS-16PE + MFT
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2018, 05:21 AM »
@simonh or anyone else on this thread, correct me if I'm not understanding this correctly...

You are only using the rear clamp on the MFT and not using the front the clamp at all?
Based on how the TSO square attaches to the rail, you are guaranteed a square cut (as long the wood is flush to the TSO square) thereby negating the need for the front clamp?


Offline simonh

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Re: TSO GRS-16PE + MFT
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2018, 06:21 AM »
@Jmacpherson I still use the front clamp as it helps support the rail and ensures you are cutting in the same kerf on the table.  It doesn't matter if you do or don't use it, or what angle the track is to the table. As the TSO and rail form a perfect 90 degree so long as you push the wood up against the TSO you will get a square cut.

I cut some expensive phenolic on it the other day and it came out perfect!  I found a couple of advantages over the usual fence/rail setup:

1) The TSO references off the top edge of the wood so is much less likely to get affected by sawdust or other bits getting stuck between the workpiece and fence rail on the standard MFT setup.

2) As you lift the rail higher the TSO is still referencing off the top edge of your wood. Whereas with the standard rail/fence setup is usually squared flat on the table I'm sure it all becomes slightly out of square when you raise the rail higher as I have repeatability issues even though I've triple checked the setup. No such issue with the TSO.

Offline Jmacpherson

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Re: TSO GRS-16PE + MFT
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2018, 02:15 PM »
Thanks for the detailed explanation @simonh
Now I'm tempted to get the GRS-16PE and give it a try :D

Offline John Stevens

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Re: TSO GRS-16PE + MFT
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2018, 09:35 PM »
@JmacphersonI found a couple of advantages over the usual fence/rail setup:
3)  If you want to move the fence closer or farther away to accommodate stock of different sizes, the TSO fence will make that fast and easy, with no need to re-square. I think that’ll make a big difference for me.

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Offline heidtwd

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Re: TSO GRS-16PE + MFT
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2018, 08:39 AM »
I tried this and it's great!
I really like that you can quickly remove the track when you want it out of the way and just as quickly put it back on in perfect square.
Beats having the track sticking straight up in the air!
Good for you, @simonh!