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Offline GarryMartin

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Re: Who would buy this immediately? Cord hold for vaccum hose
« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2017, 12:04 PM »
I took a punt on these exact clips. I took them off after a few days and went the cord inside the hose wrap route. The clips were OK but cords would work free on occasion and the clips would catch on edges (that just doesn't happen with hose wrap). I keep some velcro bands attached way down the hose and slide them up when I need to attach another power cord to the hose.

As I mentioned, not something I'd buy personally.

I have the Techflex sleeving on my main 27mm hose, and originally had the cord inside that but I found it restricted how easily the hose moved, so I removed it. So now, just like you, if I want the Plug-it cable attached now, I use Velcro straps.

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Re: Who would buy this immediately? Cord hold for vaccum hose
« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2017, 12:57 PM »
I'm guessing dsh13 won't be back.   

I suppose he joined and was immediately looking for everyone to tell him how great and wonderful his new, old invention was.  When the crucible of the marketplace told him otherwise - he prob. went off in search of real yes men.

Or maybe I'm just a regular hard working dude with a wife and such.. I've been up working on some doors and such... but I guess I have to get on here so no one gets upset.

I had this idea. searched and searched the net, I could never find such thing, then did patent searches too. I feel this fills a void, is just as useful as many other things and objects we all have. Obviously others see the same.  Why isn't one for sale on the shelf with all the other stuff?  I'm pretty sure it would sell just fine. 

And I have had a bigger version on mine and they do not get caught.  This is not an insanely expensive sleeve or something I have to search out and figure out myself.  It's an off the shelf easy to go solution that works much better than you would believe, like many little products before.  If there many would buy.  Currently there is not one.

Because I post on here and ask with a new ID you ridicule me?  You have no idea who I am; and whatsoever does that matter?
I have an idea, that I posted in the idea forum.


Wow, changing your ID to post is a red flag to me.  I wonder how many people we have on here that post with multiple Id's?   Do they then respond to their alter-ego, supporting their product/position?  This is getting all too weird. 
GREEN: In order of purchase = | CT26  |  RS 2 E | Hose w/ Sleeve 3.5m | 115mm X 226mm Hand Sanding Block | 80mm X 133mm Hand Sanding Block | HSK D21.5 5m hose | CT Boom Arm Bundle Set | 1080 Plate for custom MFT | OF 1400 EQ Router (metric) w/accessories | SYS-Rock BR10 | Cordless Sander RTSC 400 Set |  Cordless Delta Sander DTSC 400 Basic | Linear Sander LS 130 | PDC 18/4 set | CXS  2.6Ah Set | Installer Cleaning Set (2018 version) |  New style Festool hose D 27/32 x 3,5m AS/CT | Replacement Hose Garage | Remote control CT-F I/M-Set | MFH1000 work stool | Next purchase: TBD

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Offline Cheese

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Re: Who would buy this immediately? Cord hold for vaccum hose
« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2017, 01:03 PM »

I have the Techflex sleeving on my main 27mm hose, and originally had the cord inside that but I found it restricted how easily the hose moved, so I removed it.

I wrapped the hose for my CT 22 & MIDI with Flexo, but found it was much too cumbersome for my taste. I was always fighting the hose. I purchased the Festool sleeved hoses instead and much prefer them.
The sleeve also provides a pocket in which I can keep the remote for the MAXSYS.

Offline GarryMartin

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Re: Who would buy this immediately? Cord hold for vaccum hose
« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2017, 01:16 PM »
I purchased the Festool sleeved hoses instead and much prefer them.
The sleeve also provides a pocket in which I can keep the remote for the MAXSYS.

I have that too...  [embarassed] Think I might need a hose cull...  [wink]

Offline clark_fork

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Re: Who would buy this immediately? Cord hold for vaccum hose
« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2017, 01:16 PM »
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:620161
I kinda like that one. Might get one of those printed up.

I ordered three. Cost $4.88 each with $9.00 set up charge. No shipping cost. Total order $23.64. Used "Print Things" but there are many choices for vendors. Shipping in 10 days. Easy sign up.

This is my dilemma; Dangling cords.. Grrrrr. I like some of the fixes discussed above.  I am next going to try the velcro system for the cords but I like this little gadget to keep track of the trailing end of the V hose. I will use this new clamp for some router jobs.

This has been a helpful series none-the-less.

 

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Re: Who would buy this immediately? Cord hold for vaccum hose
« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2017, 01:37 PM »
I'm guessing dsh13 won't be back.   

I suppose he joined and was immediately looking for everyone to tell him how great and wonderful his new, old invention was.  When the crucible of the marketplace told him otherwise - he prob. went off in search of real yes men.

Or maybe I'm just a regular hard working dude with a wife and such.. I've been up working on some doors and such... but I guess I have to get on here so no one gets upset.

I had this idea. searched and searched the net, I could never find such thing, then did patent searches too. I feel this fills a void, is just as useful as many other things and objects we all have. Obviously others see the same.  Why isn't one for sale on the shelf with all the other stuff?  I'm pretty sure it would sell just fine. 

And I have had a bigger version on mine and they do not get caught.  This is not an insanely expensive sleeve or something I have to search out and figure out myself.  It's an off the shelf easy to go solution that works much better than you would believe, like many little products before.  If there many would buy.  Currently there is not one.

Because I post on here and ask with a new ID you ridicule me?  You have no idea who I am; and whatsoever does that matter?
I have an idea, that I posted in the idea forum.


Wow, changing your ID to post is a red flag to me.  I wonder how many people we have on here that post with multiple Id's?   Do they then respond to their alter-ego, supporting their product/position?  This is getting all too weird. 

I am thinking this means new ID / new member  not old member with new ID.

The clips may be useful to some but not to others. Just like many products in the world.  The OP has come on a bit strong perhaps but no reason to have any mean spirited remarks going on in  either  direction.

Seth

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Re: Who would buy this immediately? Cord hold for vaccum hose
« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2017, 01:43 PM »
Many years ago, when I thought it was important, I made up these clips from bits of left over waste pipe. Needless to say, I do not bother with clips any more. They took just a few minutes to make and cost nothing.

Cut the bits of pipe:
262795-0

Cut through one side:
262797-1

Use a hot air gun and some 6 mm bar to shape the cable route:
262799-2

The finished job - almost for free:
262801-3

Peter


Offline Svar

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Re: Who would buy this immediately? Cord hold for vaccum hose
« Reply #37 on: May 03, 2017, 02:30 PM »
Many house vacuums these days, including my, have power cord integrated into the hose. No, not Festool's sleeve on top of the hose with cord tucked in. It is completely and seamlessly integrated and has one click connection of both power and suction. It is particularly common with central vacs. It also costs less than Festool regular hose. Are you listening, Festool?
« Last Edit: May 03, 2017, 02:36 PM by Svar »

Offline Alex

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Re: Who would buy this immediately? Cord hold for vaccum hose
« Reply #38 on: May 03, 2017, 02:41 PM »
Many house vacuums these days, including my, have power cord integrated into the hose.

Never seen those here in Europe. What's the point, since you're not plugging a tool into your house vac?

Offline Svar

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Re: Who would buy this immediately? Cord hold for vaccum hose
« Reply #39 on: May 03, 2017, 02:43 PM »
Many house vacuums these days, including my, have power cord integrated into the hose.
Never seen those here in Europe. What's the point, since you're not plugging a tool into your house vac?
The brush at the end is powered. You can also turn on/off your brush or your vac from the handle.

Offline Dovetail65

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Re: Who would buy this immediately? Cord hold for vaccum hose
« Reply #40 on: May 03, 2017, 03:35 PM »
Many house vacuums these days, including my, have power cord integrated into the hose. No, not Festool's sleeve on top of the hose with cord tucked in. It is completely and seamlessly integrated and has one click connection of both power and suction. It is particularly common with central vacs. It also costs less than Festool regular hose. Are you listening, Festool?
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This is how the Festool hoses should be. The crappy cloth covers on the Festool integral hoses are horrible.
The one who says it can't be done should avoid interrupting the person doing it.

Offline McNally Family

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Re: Who would buy this immediately? Cord hold for vaccum hose
« Reply #41 on: May 03, 2017, 04:03 PM »
Many house vacuums these days, including my, have power cord integrated into the hose. No, not Festool's sleeve on top of the hose with cord tucked in. It is completely and seamlessly integrated and has one click connection of both power and suction. It is particularly common with central vacs. It also costs less than Festool regular hose. Are you listening, Festool?
(Attachment Link)

I have this sort of attachment on both my Miele vacuums.  If there is a weak link in the system, as with Festool, it is the connection point.  I would say the advantage of the Festool version is you can change out the cord without needing to send it in for repair, as I do with my Miele.

Currenty, the only disadvantage I can see with my sleeved hose is that it will get dirty if you allow it to drag on the floor.  I have solved this by attaching it to my boom arm.  It is also the reason I would never order the longer version in the box.
« Last Edit: May 03, 2017, 04:26 PM by McNally Family »
GREEN: In order of purchase = | CT26  |  RS 2 E | Hose w/ Sleeve 3.5m | 115mm X 226mm Hand Sanding Block | 80mm X 133mm Hand Sanding Block | HSK D21.5 5m hose | CT Boom Arm Bundle Set | 1080 Plate for custom MFT | OF 1400 EQ Router (metric) w/accessories | SYS-Rock BR10 | Cordless Sander RTSC 400 Set |  Cordless Delta Sander DTSC 400 Basic | Linear Sander LS 130 | PDC 18/4 set | CXS  2.6Ah Set | Installer Cleaning Set (2018 version) |  New style Festool hose D 27/32 x 3,5m AS/CT | Replacement Hose Garage | Remote control CT-F I/M-Set | MFH1000 work stool | Next purchase: TBD

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Offline McNally Family

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Re: Who would buy this immediately? Cord hold for vaccum hose
« Reply #42 on: May 03, 2017, 04:07 PM »
I'm guessing dsh13 won't be back.   

I suppose he joined and was immediately looking for everyone to tell him how great and wonderful his new, old invention was.  When the crucible of the marketplace told him otherwise - he prob. went off in search of real yes men.

Or maybe I'm just a regular hard working dude with a wife and such.. I've been up working on some doors and such... but I guess I have to get on here so no one gets upset.

I had this idea. searched and searched the net, I could never find such thing, then did patent searches too. I feel this fills a void, is just as useful as many other things and objects we all have. Obviously others see the same.  Why isn't one for sale on the shelf with all the other stuff?  I'm pretty sure it would sell just fine. 

And I have had a bigger version on mine and they do not get caught.  This is not an insanely expensive sleeve or something I have to search out and figure out myself.  It's an off the shelf easy to go solution that works much better than you would believe, like many little products before.  If there many would buy.  Currently there is not one.

Because I post on here and ask with a new ID you ridicule me?  You have no idea who I am; and whatsoever does that matter?
I have an idea, that I posted in the idea forum.


Wow, changing your ID to post is a red flag to me.  I wonder how many people we have on here that post with multiple Id's?   Do they then respond to their alter-ego, supporting their product/position?  This is getting all too weird. 

I am thinking this means new ID / new member  not old member with new ID.

The clips may be useful to some but not to others. Just like many products in the world.  The OP has come on a bit strong perhaps but no reason to have any mean spirited remarks going on in  either  direction.

Seth

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Thank you Seth!  After reading it from your suggested perspective, I can see I completely misunderstood what the OP was saying.  My fault and I certainly apologize to the OP if I offended him or her in any way!
« Last Edit: May 03, 2017, 04:10 PM by McNally Family »
GREEN: In order of purchase = | CT26  |  RS 2 E | Hose w/ Sleeve 3.5m | 115mm X 226mm Hand Sanding Block | 80mm X 133mm Hand Sanding Block | HSK D21.5 5m hose | CT Boom Arm Bundle Set | 1080 Plate for custom MFT | OF 1400 EQ Router (metric) w/accessories | SYS-Rock BR10 | Cordless Sander RTSC 400 Set |  Cordless Delta Sander DTSC 400 Basic | Linear Sander LS 130 | PDC 18/4 set | CXS  2.6Ah Set | Installer Cleaning Set (2018 version) |  New style Festool hose D 27/32 x 3,5m AS/CT | Replacement Hose Garage | Remote control CT-F I/M-Set | MFH1000 work stool | Next purchase: TBD

RED: // Mafell P1cc  //  MT55cc  // Next purchase: TBD

Offline antss

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Re: Who would buy this immediately? Cord hold for vaccum hose
« Reply #43 on: May 03, 2017, 06:20 PM »
@Svar  - I've often thought this is how it should be too.

But, running a small beater brush motor is one thing. Running a 12-16 amp saw is quite another in terms of power requirements.  I think if you look at those connectors they are rated at 3a.  [unsure]

So, I wonder if mating 14 or 12ga elect. cable in a vacuum hose presents manufacturing and or usability issues that have made this impractical ?

Offline Gregor

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Re: Who would buy this immediately? Cord hold for vaccum hose
« Reply #44 on: May 04, 2017, 03:15 AM »
Currenty, the only disadvantage I can see with my sleeved hose is that it will get dirty if you allow it to drag on the floor.
As the fabric sleeve is completely removeable from the hose, anyone tried to just throw it into a washing machine?

Offline UncleJoe

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Re: Who would buy this immediately? Cord hold for vaccum hose
« Reply #45 on: May 04, 2017, 10:07 AM »
@dsh13 I love the concept of a device that holds the cord close to the hose. Currently I have 2 hoses I use. One is covered with a sheath and has the power cord held in place between the sheath and the hose. I have a Velcro strap on he end that I use to tie the cord back when I am just vacuuming so it does not flop around. My other vac hose is a candidate for a product like the one you propose.

I do see a downside to your design and it may make it unattractive to me and other users. How do I remove the device. I can see that if I want to remove the electrical cord that just pops in and out of the device but I would be concerned with the "tabs" catching on things while I was using the hose. From the look of the design I would have to thread it on and off and that defeats the convenience of the design.

Accepting critique of the work is what pushes good designers to figure out a better product. So does actually handling and using competitive products to determine what works well and what just looks good on paper.

I feel pretty certain that most of the users here wish you well and want good designs to succeed. There is an extremely limited market for even the "prefect" design of this product so this was never going to be  a million dollar success.

Good Luck and keep thinking of things to make it better
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Offline VesaS

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Re: Who would buy this immediately? Cord hold for vaccum hose
« Reply #46 on: May 05, 2017, 09:19 AM »
Many house vacuums these days, including my, have power cord integrated into the hose.
Never seen those here in Europe. What's the point, since you're not plugging a tool into your house vac?
The brush at the end is powered. You can also turn on/off your brush or your vac from the handle.

Similar hose is quite common with central vacuum. System has 8 - 10 m long hose, so switching vac on is more convenient.
It (usually, I think) is used to control on/off relay, not to switch vacuum itself. My central vacuum is 1600 W and those wires could NOT supply that load.

It is possible put heavier wires, so running 230 V and 10 A is technologically ok. I don't know what safety authorities think of this.

Vesa

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Offline yetihunter

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Re: Who would buy this immediately? Cord hold for vaccum hose
« Reply #47 on: May 06, 2017, 02:15 AM »
Anywhere from 14 to 22 gauge wiring for the low voltage (24v ?) DC
that's on all of the inlets.  For the powerhead hoses, the dual voltage inlet is wired with, both, the low voltage and standard 110v AC (240v elsewhere).   
However, I just looked up the Sebo powerheads and the largest of the two
is rated at 200 watts.  I can imagine that the eletrical wiring in those vacuum hoses is tiny.

Actually, methinks that the same powerhead runs on a low voltage rail when used with their vacs. Memory is not fact, though.

Regardless, I thought that the seperation of church and state, in this regard, was all about static shocks? 

Offline Wiigian

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Re: Who would buy this immediately? Cord hold for vaccum hose
« Reply #48 on: May 11, 2017, 09:39 AM »
I got these 3d printed for free, and am really happy with them. They are not coming loose, they are quite sturdy.
There definitely is a market for clips like these.



Without a boom arm they are useless, they will snag on everything.
Also, the Plug-It connector is a bit in the way when using the hose with a non-festool tool, or general vacuuming.
There should be a clip for it when not in use.

Offline pablov13

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Re: Who would buy this immediately? Cord hold for vaccum hose
« Reply #49 on: May 11, 2017, 10:51 AM »
I made me some of those as well Wiigian. They are awesome.

If anyone needs a set 3D printed, let me know. I can usually print and ship them out for under $20.

-Paul