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Offline Svar

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« Reply #270 on: October 11, 2016, 02:20 PM »
Just another reason why people pay extra for Festool - a sales rep answering customers questions on some forum after midnight. Try that on Makita forum ... oh wait, there is no Makita forum.

I'm just a sales rep to you guys?  [crying] [crying] [crying]

 [tongue]
Sorry, Shane... It sounded so much better in my head.
You are The Sales Grand Master and The Sheppard in the Festool Universe.   [not worthy] [not worthy] [not worthy]
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« Reply #271 on: October 11, 2016, 04:09 PM »
I tend to agree that this was not geared to enlarge the audience.  My guess is that the 125mm consumables may be trailing the 90mm and 150mm, and Festool is simply using the promotion as a loss leader to jump start sales of the 125mm abrasives.  At least personally for me, this had the desired effect.

Hey, I ordered a Pro 5, not a 125. When are they coming out with 5" abrasives? It would seem appropriate considering their push towards Imperial and the name of the new sander  [big grin]
  BOOM......... [jawdrop] [jawdrop] [jawdrop]   [dead horse]
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Offline DoubleL

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« Reply #272 on: October 11, 2016, 05:53 PM »
Interesting how I'm suddenly seeing a bunch of ETS 125s showing up on Craigslist and Ebay  :) :) :)

Offline ewils91

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« Reply #273 on: October 11, 2016, 06:42 PM »
Interesting how I'm suddenly seeing a bunch of ETS 125s showing up on Craigslist and Ebay  :) :) :)

Not mine, I sold mine in person a few days ago...

Offline antss

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« Reply #274 on: October 11, 2016, 06:48 PM »
@Cheese  - you're still not going to be able to convince some people. [sad]

Sometimes fanboys just don't want to believe that they're not special in the eyes of the mother ship.  There's really not much of an incentive for a thank you present with this gear.  We're buying it like hotcakes now and trumpeting how good and wonderful it is to anyone who'll listen or watch a youtube episode. 

Besides, the German mentality is not one of warm fuzzy group hugs, let alone giving out tangible spiffs.  We've imported millions$ in custom millwork from a German co. for going on three decades and recently got back from an unveiling of new designs.  We did get a spiff this year though - first I can remember.  It was a plastic folding ruler about 10euro at retail.  And our supplier's supplier underwrote at least half the cost .

And it was all in metric. [tongue] [tongue] [tongue] [tongue]

I hope all those Pro5s actually deliver or a lot of people are going to be miffed they sold their old ones.
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« Reply #275 on: October 11, 2016, 07:27 PM »
...I hope all those Pro5s actually deliver or a lot of people are going to be miffed they sold their old ones.
How did you think Festool was going to make money on this promotion, from all the guys that get burned and have to replace the ETS125 they sold. [tongue] [big grin]
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Offline erock

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« Reply #276 on: October 11, 2016, 11:00 PM »
  WOW !!!


I did NOT  read this WHOLE thread.....but I glanced through it enough to come to this conclusion.

In this one thread.......What I gathered was......

It's a great deal...... it's a botched deal....... someone is  gonna make money off this......and  @Shane Holland  is a stud...

Well, the only thing I can agree on is this.......Yes, it's a great deal.   And Yes......some guys may make some money off this.

And Shane is a guy that is.................on the FOG a lot !       [tongue]   [tongue]   [tongue]

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Offline antss

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« Reply #277 on: October 11, 2016, 11:19 PM »
@Brice Burrell - that is classic .


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« Reply #278 on: October 12, 2016, 10:44 AM »
FOG has treated this Festool episode as a MBA case study with some very astute analysis that would do credit to the Harvard Business School marketing class.

I am surprised no one has attempted the Case Study Epilogue. It goes something like this..

It was a limited run and intended to be a limited run. Demand outran supply and the Company had to cap some bulk orders to re-allocate the limited supply. Some just did not make the cut since a "time-stamp" requirement was put on the ordering. All those who didn't get their sander, got the $50.00 voucher; both the bulk orderers and the single unit orderers.

The company started up the sander production again at a regular price and in a regular gray systainer. The sander proved to be a winner over time with most users.

Years later, when various contributors to You Tube did their show-and-tell, a blue box would show up in the background among the stacks of gray in tribute to this famous episode.

The Company went on to new promotions, among which was the Gender Out-Reach Initiative. (GORI). Here they came out with a light-weight cordless drill named the "Lady Pro-XYZ" at $99.00 and shipped in a special edition pink systainer. This promotion was eminently successful and was copied by other manufactures. Festool won all sorts of awards for breaking the gender barrier for tools. Festool went on to offer a full line of systainers in pink. They never issued another tool in a blue systainer.
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« Reply #279 on: October 12, 2016, 11:13 AM »
Pink systainers"..

Don't let Gary Martin or Copcarcollector find out they'd by the lot of them
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Offline Cheese

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« Reply #280 on: October 12, 2016, 12:22 PM »
Years later, when various contributors to You Tube did their show-and-tell, a blue box would show up in the background among the stacks of gray in tribute to this famous episode.

Funny... [thumbs up]

Offline Paul G

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« Reply #281 on: October 12, 2016, 01:32 PM »
I tend to agree that this was not geared to enlarge the audience.  My guess is that the 125mm consumables may be trailing the 90mm and 150mm, and Festool is simply using the promotion as a loss leader to jump start sales of the 125mm abrasives.  At least personally for me, this had the desired effect.

Hey, I ordered a Pro 5, not a 125. When are they coming out with 5" abrasives? It would seem appropriate considering their push towards Imperial and the name of the new sander  [big grin]
  BOOM......... [jawdrop] [jawdrop] [jawdrop]   [dead horse]

Imperial sanding, who woulda thunk it. Rotex 5 is next  [big grin]
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Offline HarveyWildes

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« Reply #282 on: October 12, 2016, 09:17 PM »
So a few calculations later, I derived the following.

A metric 125 mm sanding disk has a surface area of ~12272 mm2.
An imperial 5" sanding disk has a surface area of ~12668 mm2, roughly 3% larger.

Let's say that you are using Granat 125 mm disks @$57.00/hundred.  At a 3% premium, the 5" disks (if they were available) would run $58.71, but since this is Festool, let's round up to $59.00.  Now let's say that it takes 33 hours of sanding (time the sander is actually running) to use up 100 125 mm disks.   If you switch to 5" disks and save 3% of your time due to sanding, that's roughly an hour.  However, since the sander is probably not 100% on the work piece all of the time, let's be conservative and reduce the savings to 1/2 hour over the 100 disk box.  So you've saved 1/2 hour of your hourly rate, less taxes, for a $2.00 investment.  That's a pretty good return all in all.

Now let's assume that Festool assumes your hourly rate is $30.00 (conservative, I hope), meaning that a price of $59.00 for the 5" disks leaves an extra $13.00 in your pocket.  Why shouldn't Festool be more amply rewarded for this good deed, say by charging $67.00 for the 100 pack instead of $59.00.  You still get $5.00, Festool gets an extra $8.00, everyone wins.

Thus demonstrating that Festool should, in fact, provide 5" disks.

Yes I did have more important things to do for the last 15 minutes, but this was just too much fun.  Sigh.

Whoops - I had to modify this post to correct some math.
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« Reply #283 on: October 12, 2016, 09:23 PM »
So a few calculations later, I derived the following.

A metric 125 mm sanding disk has a surface area of ~12272 mm2.
An imperial 5" sanding disk has a surface area of ~12668 mm2, roughly 3% larger.

Let's say that you are using Granat 125 mm disks @$57.00/hundred.  At a 3% premium, the 5" disks (if they were available) would run $58.71, but since this is Festool, let's round up to $59.00.  Now let's say that it takes 33 hours of sanding (time the sander is actually running) to use up 100 125 mm disks.   If you switch to 5" disks and save 3% of your time due to sanding, that's roughly an hour.  However, since the sander is probably not 100% on the work piece all of the time, let's be conservative and reduce the savings to 1/2 hour over the 100 disk box.  So you've saved 1/2 hour of your hourly rate, less taxes, for a $2.00 investment.  That's a pretty good return all in all.

Now let's assume that Festool assumes your hourly rate is $30.00 (conservative, I hope), meaning that a price of $59.00 for the 5" disks leaves an extra $15.00 in your pocket.  Why shouldn't Festool be more amply rewarded for this good deed, say by charging $67.00 for the 100 pack instead of $59.00.  You still get $7.00, Festool gets an extra $8.00, everyone wins.

Thus demonstrating that Festool should, in fact, provide 5" disks.

Yes I did have more important things to do for the last 15 minutes.  Sigh.


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Offline Kodi Crescent

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« Reply #284 on: October 12, 2016, 09:51 PM »
I tend to agree that this was not geared to enlarge the audience.  My guess is that the 125mm consumables may be trailing the 90mm and 150mm, and Festool is simply using the promotion as a loss leader to jump start sales of the 125mm abrasives.  At least personally for me, this had the desired effect.

I think this is a very astute analysis.  Make that 125 mm line move more, or else kill it.  Great comment!

Offline antss

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« Reply #285 on: October 12, 2016, 09:53 PM »
Harvard MBAs prob. dreamed up this boondoggle. 

The Wharton guys will fix though. 8)

If a navy SYS is seen in the backgroud of youtuber's future unboxing video it could also be a FOG edition too.  Bonus points if you have both in there.  Maybe we should have a "Where's Waldo" type contest to see who can spot those boxes.

GORI is prob. not a winning campaign- Sounds awful, like McRib.  :o

I'm pretty certain that if your labor rate is $30/hr you ain't going to be buyin no stinkin Festools anyway.  So maybe a revisit is in order on the math problem.


See Cheese - the non believers are still out there !
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Offline HarveyWildes

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« Reply #286 on: October 12, 2016, 09:57 PM »

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I'm pretty certain that if your labor rate is $30/hr you ain't going to be buyin no stinkin Festools anyway.  So maybe a revisit is in order on the math problem.

I was just trying to be conservative :)

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« Reply #287 on: October 12, 2016, 10:02 PM »
I'm not sure $60/hr affords much blue and green either.  But, I understand your pitch.

However there is no way festool is going to manuf. or stock an imperial sized paper.  None.  The SKUs alone would be bothersome enough for them.

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« Reply #288 on: October 12, 2016, 10:18 PM »

GORI is prob. not a winning campaign- Sounds awful, like McRib.  :o


Everyone's dissin the McRib LOL
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Offline Paul G

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« Reply #289 on: October 12, 2016, 10:19 PM »
So a few calculations later, I derived the following.

A metric 125 mm sanding disk has a surface area of ~12272 mm2.
An imperial 5" sanding disk has a surface area of ~12668 mm2, roughly 3% larger.

Let's say that you are using Granat 125 mm disks @$57.00/hundred.  At a 3% premium, the 5" disks (if they were available) would run $58.71, but since this is Festool, let's round up to $59.00.  Now let's say that it takes 33 hours of sanding (time the sander is actually running) to use up 100 125 mm disks.   If you switch to 5" disks and save 3% of your time due to sanding, that's roughly an hour.  However, since the sander is probably not 100% on the work piece all of the time, let's be conservative and reduce the savings to 1/2 hour over the 100 disk box.  So you've saved 1/2 hour of your hourly rate, less taxes, for a $2.00 investment.  That's a pretty good return all in all.

Now let's assume that Festool assumes your hourly rate is $30.00 (conservative, I hope), meaning that a price of $59.00 for the 5" disks leaves an extra $13.00 in your pocket.  Why shouldn't Festool be more amply rewarded for this good deed, say by charging $67.00 for the 100 pack instead of $59.00.  You still get $5.00, Festool gets an extra $8.00, everyone wins.

Thus demonstrating that Festool should, in fact, provide 5" disks.

Yes I did have more important things to do for the last 15 minutes, but this was just too much fun.  Sigh.

Whoops - I had to modify this post to correct some math.

I shoulda read this before hitting the wine bottle  [eek] [big grin]
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« Reply #290 on: October 12, 2016, 10:33 PM »
However there is no way festool is going to manuf. or stock an imperial sized paper.  None.  The SKUs alone would be bothersome enough for them.

Point well taken, Festool corporate said that they would not be able to stock both imperial & metric tools because of the burden on the system, and they were referring to only 6-8 tools that were on the imperial/metric cusp. Think about 18 different Granat and 8 different Rubin papers...that would cause a major meltdown on their part. They'd never recover, they'd be in an endless do-loop.

When all else fails...please refer to post 81.

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« Reply #291 on: October 12, 2016, 10:44 PM »
The imperial / metric tool stocking argument seems a bit disingenuous to me.  Festool already make and stock metric all over the world and here too.  Keep a few of the metric in stock for those that want that in NA.  If stock is out , offer the customer the tool when the next container comes in for the same price. 

"Great customer service " seems more a slogan than a reality if you are charging me an additional fee to serve me  :o :o :o :o 

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« Reply #292 on: October 12, 2016, 11:41 PM »
The imperial / metric tool stocking argument seems a bit disingenuous to me.

"Great customer service " seems more a slogan than a reality if you are charging me an additional fee to serve me.

Well to you, it maybe a bit disingenuous ...but to the rest of the world it simply seems........ridiculous.  [big grin]
So, how is this German manufacturer of notable tools able to design and develop cutting edge tools and accessories with multiple voltages and frequencies from around the world, and they do it on a continuing basis, every day, in multiple languages, and with the blessing of multiple regulatory agencies yet they are somehow unable to manage the inventory of 6-8 tools in the US that have...either imperial or metric markings.
Lame...very lame..Believe what you will, but this explanation rings hollow.




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« Reply #293 on: October 13, 2016, 12:06 AM »
@Cheese - I think you misunderstand me, or more likely I wasn't clear.

I feel Festool should have Metric tools available here for NO ADDITIONAL cost.  I can can understand having to perhaps wait if an item is out of stock because management wasn't able to correctly forecast demand.   But charging me xtra for something that already exists just rubs me the wrong way.  Especially when you have your bagmen telling me one of the  selling points is great customer service.

Unless the whole range is going imperial it a half baked idea.  Meaning your saws will have to go to inch diameters.  Same with sanding pads.  The MFT and CMS need to be adjusted to lengths in whole inches.  Same with the guide rails. And how about all those template guide for the routers. Selling a lot of 17 and 24mm O.D. template guides are you ???  Better start offering a 7/16" and 5/7  O.D. version so they can be used with Leigh jigs.  And I suppose you're going to offer an LR 1&1/4 with a 1/4" bit for all those 'Merican cabinet spacing we're gonna build with those inch scaled TS55's LR 1.25's and you darn well better start making some 1/4", 7/16", 1/2" , ect.. cutters and dominos for those machines as well.

Maybe it's not even half baked. It's still more like runny batter.

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« Reply #294 on: October 13, 2016, 12:17 AM »
I'm not sure $60/hr affords much blue and green either.
Come on, don't be a snob.  [poke]
How many tradesmen make $125K a year?

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« Reply #295 on: October 13, 2016, 01:09 AM »
@Cheese - I think you misunderstand me, or more likely I wasn't clear.

 Naw...I'm in your court...I think you probably missed the whole imperial vs metric tools for the USA discussion a few months ago...

I still have a migraine from it.

I won't get into it in depth here, but suffice to say... it was the most macabre rationalization for selling track saws and routers with imperial scales that can only be adjusted in metric increments. From Festool's position, that's the number 1 method they can use to increase market share in the USA and thus, USA craftsmen will purchase a Festool saw that costs 5 times the average price of a traditional side winder... because it has an imperial scale.. [eek] [eek] [eek]

Well from a global perspective...Festool...you blinked at the wrong time.
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« Reply #296 on: October 13, 2016, 07:57 AM »
selling track saws and routers with imperial scales that can only be adjusted in metric increments

Do you think that this might bother some people? You can be looking at the imperial scale, but you can only adjust to an exact imperial measurement using the fine adjust mechanism.

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« Reply #297 on: October 13, 2016, 08:15 AM »
Bother people Jimbo?  It's stupid. And clearly looks like a marketing ploy based on cheese's recap of the discussion.

Sorry I missed the discussion - maybe I'll go back and read it.  Or not , thAnks for the warning @Cheese .

@Svar - not being snobbish. If you're not charging $60+ /hr. for your services or labor burden - then how in the world are you justifying spending festool $$$ on a tool ? Your capital expenditures are way out of line based on your revenue. Other tools will do the same job more economically.  And don't give me all the efficiency , dust collection , longevity bs.  If true , you'd have lots xtra time to go get more business and increase gross revenue .  Craftsmen tend not to be well versed in business administration. That's not a slight, just an observation.

Look at all the mechanics indebted to Matco and SnapOn.  I'm not talking about the lifers, I'm talking newbies that'll be outa the trade in 5-6 years and don't need a tool box or ratchet that will last 25 years but spent that money when it could have been better spent on their family or education.  Now I still value free choice , so buy what you want and can afford. But , a poor financial decision is still poor no matter how good it makes you feel or boosts you image to friends and colleagues.

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« Reply #298 on: October 13, 2016, 08:58 AM »
Shane made an excellent suggestion earlier in either this sander thread or another - which was about taking discusses about the metric to the appropriate thread.  This could even be expanded to a more broad request to keep this topic on topic and talking about the Pro 5.

Please.

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« Reply #299 on: October 13, 2016, 01:08 PM »
Apologies is this was already asked/answered:
- If you successfully placed an order for the Pro 5 sander before sales were suspended, are you guaranteed of receiving your order?

Thanks!