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Title: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 04, 2016, 11:18 AM
I'm excited to announce the introduction of the new improved Festool ETS 125 REQ, DTS 400 REQ and RTS 400 REQ (http://www.festoolproducts.com/new).

For a limited time, while supplies last, the ETS 125 REQ (aka PRO 5 LTD) sander will be available for only $99 + $50 voucher toward your next tool purchase and will come in a limited edition blue systainer!


What are the improvements over the current models?

While it's in German, you can see some of the new features of these sanders in the video below.

https://youtu.be/DJiQoJ4HPQc
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Dogberryjr on October 04, 2016, 11:47 AM
Yes, please. Ordered!
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: T. Ernsberger on October 04, 2016, 12:13 PM
Just ordered one.  Thanks Shane!!!
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Kevin Johnson on October 04, 2016, 12:14 PM
I got the e-mail and came here to find out more. Count me in, I just ordered mine!
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Robert Robinson on October 04, 2016, 12:15 PM
Save me one! I have to wait until I get off work because I can remember my CID on my card!
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Nick K. on October 04, 2016, 12:16 PM
Picture of the blue systainer? Wonder what it looks like.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cheese on October 04, 2016, 12:18 PM
The pad brake and dust bag alone is worth the price...ordered.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: jimmy986 on October 04, 2016, 12:20 PM
So is this a discount on the new model or the old model to get rid of supplies until the new models come out?

This has a new locking dust port. Will it work with the old rubber push in hose?

Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cheese on October 04, 2016, 12:22 PM
Picture of the blue systainer? Wonder what it looks like.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: squawkin on October 04, 2016, 12:23 PM
I'm in!!
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: TylerC on October 04, 2016, 12:23 PM
Picture of the blue systainer? Wonder what it looks like.

Ask and you shall receive.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 04, 2016, 12:26 PM
Thanks for the image, Tyler.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: RobNJ on October 04, 2016, 12:27 PM
What is the timing on the voucher?
Do we get it when the sander ships? 
And when does it expire?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cochese on October 04, 2016, 12:28 PM
I have absolutely no need for this yet it tempts me. I should resist the temptation to invest in an entirely new size of paper (I have a DTS and ETS 150).
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: live4ever on October 04, 2016, 12:29 PM
Soooo...a 5" Festool ROS in a Sys2....for basically $49....

I'm missing something here, right?   [eek]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: The.Handyman on October 04, 2016, 12:29 PM
I saw the email and came here to see if this was worth it as I suspected it was. Bought one! What a killer deal and a sweet systainer.

I was looking to pick up the new DTS 400 but this is a nice addition. Now if Festool will just make the pads interchangeable.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cheese on October 04, 2016, 12:35 PM
Soooo...a 5" Festool ROS in a Sys2....for basically $49....

I'm missing something here, right?   [eek]

Ya you're missing the deal of a lifetime if you don't jump on it.  [poke]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Svar on October 04, 2016, 12:39 PM
What is the timing on the voucher?
Do we get it when the sander ships? 
And when does it expire?
Also, there was no mention of the voucher during check out process or confirmation e-mail. Shane, could you clarify please? We are all edgy here, hands shaking from excitement.  [tongue]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 04, 2016, 12:40 PM
What is the timing on the voucher?
Do we get it when the sander ships? 
And when does it expire?

@RobNJ, great questions.

The sander will ship on 11/1. The voucher will expire on 12/31 of 2017.

As for the timing on the voucher, we need to get more details on that from Festool. But, I'm sure it will be timely.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: live4ever on October 04, 2016, 12:41 PM
Soooo...a 5" Festool ROS in a Sys2....for basically $49....

I'm missing something here, right?   [eek]

Ya you're missing the deal of a lifetime if you don't jump on it.  [poke]

I order first, ask questions later.   [tongue]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Svar on October 04, 2016, 12:43 PM
Seems like this gonna be a popular thread. Who ordered two? [big grin] Such deals could turn you into an addict, oh... wait... I'm already an addict. [scared]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cheese on October 04, 2016, 12:46 PM
I order first, ask questions later.   [tongue]

Attaboy...now you're getting in the spirit of green fever.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: RobNJ on October 04, 2016, 12:47 PM
What is the timing on the voucher?
Do we get it when the sander ships? 
And when does it expire?

@RobNJ, great questions.

The sander will ship on 11/1. The voucher will expire on 12/31 of 2017.

As for the timing on the voucher, we need to get more details on that from Festool. But, I'm sure it will be timely.

Thanks Shane.  That all sounds more than fair.
Of course, I ordered before getting the answers, but the info is good to know anyway!  [big grin]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 04, 2016, 12:53 PM
All, just a heads up that the $99 sander also includes the bayonet-style dust port to retrofit your older hose and a sample pack of Granat abrasives. Woot.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Peter_C on October 04, 2016, 12:54 PM
Seems like this gonna be a popular thread. Who ordered two? [big grin] Such deals could turn you into an addict, oh... wait... I'm already an addict. [scared]
I ordered two! [big grin]

Chatted online as I was placing my order to confirm I also get two vouchers. Got informed I do, but can only use one voucher per tool order and it is not valid on accessories.

Does the voucher stack if say buying a dust collector along with a tool to receive the 10% off along with redeeming the $50 voucher?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Lou in DE on October 04, 2016, 12:55 PM
I have 4 Festool sanders (RO 90, RO 125, ETS EC 125 & RS 2E) so I don't really need another but
this is too awesome of a deal to pass up so I ordered one too  [big grin] [big grin]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: jimmy986 on October 04, 2016, 12:57 PM
Yea, this seems crazy. It comes with the port to retrofit your old vac, the reusable dust bag, granat paper, systainer, and $50 voucher. The tool is pretty much free. The only other sander I have is a Rotex 125 and I've been trying to decide on a finish sander and bought this before I even got any answers. Fantastic deal.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cheese on October 04, 2016, 01:00 PM
All, just a heads up that the $99 sander also includes the bayonet-style dust port to retrofit your older hose and a sample pack of Granat abrasives. Woot.

Thanks for that Shane...nothing like throwing a little more gasoline on a raging fire. [poke]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Svar on October 04, 2016, 01:17 PM
Another question:
Can that voucher be redeemed at any dealer, or only the dealer I bought PRO 5 from?
Thanks.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 04, 2016, 01:18 PM
Yea, this seems crazy. It comes with the port to retrofit your old vac, the reusable dust bag, granat paper, systainer, and $50 voucher.

Correction, dust bag is optional, sold separately.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 04, 2016, 01:19 PM
Can that voucher be redeemed at any dealer, or only the dealer I bought PRO 5 from?

@Svar, if you buy it from us, you can only redeem with us. If you buy it somewhere else, you can only redeem with us.  [tongue] [poke]

Just kidding, as far as I know, no restrictions on voucher use.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Brice Burrell on October 04, 2016, 01:25 PM
Yea, this seems crazy. It comes with the port to retrofit your old vac, the reusable dust bag, granat paper, systainer, and $50 voucher.

Correction, dust bag is optional, sold separately.

That's a bummer, I use the dust bags fairly often.  It's still an awesome deal.  Well done Festool!
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: lunchman on October 04, 2016, 01:27 PM
Website order error, but got the PayPal email that it was charged. Being looked into via the chat window. I'm sure volume on this is high!

Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 04, 2016, 01:28 PM
@RobNJ, the voucher will come in the Systainer.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 04, 2016, 01:33 PM
Abrasives assortment will include two sheets each of Granat in the following grits:

(2) P80, (2) P120, (2) P150, (2) P180, (2) P220
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: ShadyMaple on October 04, 2016, 01:36 PM
Question:

Since you can now use this sander without having to knock the suction down on the other collectors - I assume this will work well with a CT SYS portable?

Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 04, 2016, 01:39 PM
Since you can now use this sander without having to knock the suction down on the other collectors - I assume this will work well with a CT SYS portable?

Welcome to the forum.

Festool has redesigned the pad on these new sanders to help reduce any issues from suction being too high from the vac. So, yes, you should be able to use it with the CT SYS without issues. @TylerC can confirm.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: mddharma on October 04, 2016, 01:50 PM
Just order this  [smile].  Have a ets 150 and ro 90 so this should fit in the middle.  With this deal I figured I could not go wrong.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: bobfog on October 04, 2016, 02:01 PM
Fantastic offer, $99 for the sander alone is practically giving it away, let alone some paper and a $50 voucher!

@Phil Beckley. As Festool UK's only UK representative, I draw your attention to yet another good thing for US customers (I'm assuming Festool are in some way supporting this), alongside the recently closed Carvex 420 giveaway, Festool connect, etc.

In the UK, it's really starting to feel like we're the poor relations. I know this isn't directly your department, but maybe you could have a word with the powers that be, to do something to shove a boot up the a*&e of those who can either directly engage the forum internally from Festool or encourage the UK dealers to follow the example set by some of the US dealers!
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: teocaf on October 04, 2016, 02:05 PM
Just order this  [smile].  Have a ets 150 and ro 90 so this should fit in the middle.  With this deal I figured I could not go wrong.

Just saw the promotion and trying to make up my mind whether I should add this to my lineup.  I have the RO150 and the  RO90 already.  What can I do with this new sander that my current ones can't?  So far the pros I come up with are: shorter stroke, smaller size overall, voucher, low price.  The cons that come to mind:  not as versatile as those I have already, big outlay for new size consumables, not as powerful.  Can someone throw in a few points I have not thought of?--part of me still wants to get this.  Thanks
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Paul G on October 04, 2016, 02:05 PM
To good a deal to pass up, placed order.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: jimbo51 on October 04, 2016, 02:12 PM
I have the 150 and the 90 and three others. Even though this offer is incredible, I am going to pass because I do not use a sander that often and I do not want to stock another size of sandpaper. Sigh.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Steve-Rice on October 04, 2016, 02:18 PM
I just couldn't pass this up.  I've been waiting for the new DTS 400 to come out, so I have an immediate use for the $50 voucher.

Ever since I bought my ETS EC 150 3, I've been wondering what to do with all the 5" abrasives from my old sander. Now, at least, I'll have a use for them.  I'm also anxious to try the 2mm stroke of this new sander.

Great deal!

Thanks, Festool.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: six-point socket II on October 04, 2016, 02:22 PM
Hi!

Incredible offer, really cool!

Many happy sales!!!!

Kind regards,
Oliver
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: typeshige on October 04, 2016, 02:31 PM
Ordered!  Not sure why I need it yet, but I'm sure I'll find a use soon!

Small nit pick, but I don't think the video is in German!
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: bobfog on October 04, 2016, 02:33 PM
Ordered!  Not sure why I need it yet, but I'm sure I'll find a use soon!

Small nit pick, but I don't think the video is in German!

Think you're correct, sounds Dutch/Flemish to me.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: antss on October 04, 2016, 02:38 PM
Shane -

Are you guys going to have any of the new locking style tool ends for the vacuum hose for sale too ?

As has been reported here at FOG, the current ends do not play nice with the locking ports on the new sanders . [sad]

Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 04, 2016, 02:45 PM
Are you guys going to have any of the new locking style tool ends for the vacuum hose for sale too ?

@antss, the new hose connector is included with this $99 sander. If you just want it separately, we have the bayonet-style connector (http://www.festoolproducts.com/festool-500669-locking-dust-extraction-hose-port.html) available separately.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cheese on October 04, 2016, 02:48 PM
Can someone throw in a few points I have not thought of?--part of me still wants to get this.

Hey @teocaf, the best part is that the sander is basically free.

Take the $99 price tag and subtract the $74 price of a Systainer 2, then subtract the price of a $44 Plug-it cord and you come up with a -$19 price tag. Who can't use an extra Systainer & extra Plug-it cord? Even if you never use the voucher...you're still ahead of the game. [popcorn] [popcorn]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: TylerC on October 04, 2016, 02:53 PM
Since you can now use this sander without having to knock the suction down on the other collectors - I assume this will work well with a CT SYS portable?

Welcome to the forum.

Festool has redesigned the pad on these new sanders to help reduce any issues from suction being too high from the vac. So, yes, you should be able to use it with the CT SYS without issues. @TylerC can confirm.

Yep. The CT SYS is a good option for the PRO 5 LTD. You shouldn't have issues.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 04, 2016, 02:58 PM
Thanks for the confirmation, @TylerC.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: antss on October 04, 2016, 03:23 PM
Thanks Shane.

I missed that on my first read of the description and wanted to know if I should ammend my order to add the fitting.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Jim Metzger on October 04, 2016, 03:24 PM
Hi Shane

Can the voucher be used towards consumables or only tools?

Thanks

 Jim
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: yetihunter on October 04, 2016, 03:24 PM
How long is this offer available for?  Can I wait until Friday to pre-order?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Ster1154 on October 04, 2016, 03:30 PM
Phenomenal and timely deal as I was trying to figure out what to do w/ all my 5" sandpaper after getting a 6" ETC! 
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: s1301950 on October 04, 2016, 03:33 PM
right... .so... can canadian get in on this? or is other canadian vendors gonna have similar offers when the new sander lands here.

scratch that. just saw the answer from another thread started by ultimate tools. gotta run!
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 04, 2016, 03:34 PM
Can the voucher be used towards consumables or only tools?

@Jim Metzger, tools only and they cannot be combined if you have multiple vouchers.

How long is this offer available for?  Can I wait until Friday to pre-order?

@yetihunter, "while supplies last". We do not know how many Festool has or how long it will be until they run out. I would assume you'd be fine to wait until Friday.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: overanalyze on October 04, 2016, 03:35 PM
Ordered with Festoolproducts! I don't even "need" one but it is to good of a price plus the voucher!  I love my current ETS125 so if this has a little more power and the nicer grip I am sold. I will just delegate my old one to drywall work.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: TylerC on October 04, 2016, 03:56 PM
right... .so... can canadian get in on this? or is other canadian vendors gonna have similar offers when the new sander lands here.

scratch that. just saw the answer from another thread started by ultimate tools. gotta run!

For those who didn't see the other thread, this is also available in Canada for $129.00.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Gerald_D on October 04, 2016, 04:00 PM
Ordered with Festoolproducts! I don't even "need" one but it is to good of a price plus the voucher!  I love my current ETS125 so if this has a little more power and the nicer grip I am sold. I will just delegate my old one to drywall work.

Ditto for me!  Wait a minute- I don't plan on doing any more drywall.... I guess I have a Y connector on my vac- use two sanders at once!!   [big grin]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: T. Ernsberger on October 04, 2016, 04:00 PM
Being it's a limited time offer, is it a first come first serve offer?  Or are there enough sanders at this price to go around? 

@Shane Holland
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 04, 2016, 04:04 PM
Being it's a limited time offer, is it a first come first serve offer?  Or are there enough sanders at this price to go around? 

@Tyler Ernsberger, no idea to be honest. I doubt Festool will share this information. Hopefully, there will be enough to cover preorders through 11/1. But, this is a smokin' deal.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: amt on October 04, 2016, 04:19 PM
Is the new sander still made in Germany?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: copcarcollector on October 04, 2016, 04:26 PM
Is the new sander still made in Germany?

From Festool USA's FB page:

Festool Power Tools - North America The PRO 5 LTD is engineered and made in Germany.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Carquest on October 04, 2016, 04:37 PM
Ordered one, no need for it, but the cord and systainer are worth buying it.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Svar on October 04, 2016, 04:49 PM
Ordered one, no need for it, but the cord and systainer are worth buying it.

Judging from the tread in couple months we'll see a lot of ETS125 PRO 5 e-bay offerings.  [big grin]
Anyway, are there half-off plans for Domino XL in blue systainer any time soon?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: amt on October 04, 2016, 05:25 PM
Ordered one, no need for it, but the cord and systainer are worth buying it.

Judging from the tread in couple months we'll see a lot of ETS125 PRO 5 e-bay offerings.  [big grin]
Anyway, are there half-off plans for Domino XL in blue systainer any time soon?

It has me wondering why the offer is so good, and if there would be others.  I wonder if Festool is testing out a lower cost / higher volume strategy, or possibly quarterly outstanding deals to get new customers hooked ("the first one's free").
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cheese on October 04, 2016, 05:49 PM
Is the new sander still made in Germany?

For now...rumor has it some of Festool's offerings will be made in the US.  [cool]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: leakyroof on October 04, 2016, 05:53 PM
Just order this  [smile].  Have a ets 150 and ro 90 so this should fit in the middle.  With this deal I figured I could not go wrong.

Just saw the promotion and trying to make up my mind whether I should add this to my lineup.  I have the RO150 and the  RO90 already.  What can I do with this new sander that my current ones can't?  So far the pros I come up with are: shorter stroke, smaller size overall, voucher, low price.  The cons that come to mind:  not as versatile as those I have already, big outlay for new size consumables, not as powerful.  Can someone throw in a few points I have not thought of?--part of me still wants to get this.  Thanks
. I CAN answer this as the 5" inch sander is the last of Festool's line of sanders for me to finally buy into.  I held off buying any 5"/125mm sander from them since I had multiple 6"/150mm sanders already and all the other versions... Planex, RTS, DTS, DX93 etc.
 However, for trim work, refinishing doors and assorted Paint work, there were times I was missing  a pad size in between 150mm and 90mm since one was too big and the other too small.
 Now with my new version ETS/Pro 5 on order, I get an upgraded sander with more power over the older ETS 125, but the same fine 2mm orbit for Stain Grade work.
The new EC version 5" sander is 3mm, which is finer than 5mm but not a 2mm orbit for final sanding or sanding between coats.
The additional pad protector just adds value for the sander in usage around delicate edges you'd like to avoid slamming into while sanding, say something built-in that's already finished.....
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Staniam on October 04, 2016, 06:06 PM
Shane,

Do you guys charge the credit card now or on November 1st?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 04, 2016, 06:34 PM
Do you guys charge the credit card now or on November 1st?

@Staniam, your credit card is charged when it ships.

If you pay with Paypal, it is billed at the time the order is placed.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Staniam on October 04, 2016, 06:39 PM
Do you guys charge the credit card now or on November 1st?

@Staniam, your credit card is charged when it ships.

If you pay with Paypal, it is billed at the time the order is placed.

SOLD!

 Im getting married in 18 days and I would end up on the nightly news as murdered if I spent anything on Festool right now.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: antss on October 04, 2016, 06:40 PM
It has me wondering why the offer is so good, and if there would be others.  I wonder if Festool is testing out a lower cost / higher volume strategy, or possibly quarterly outstanding deals to get new customers hooked ("the first one's free").
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I doubt it.  We've seen crazy eddie type pricing on sanders before I think.  Wasn't there giveaway pricing on the ETS150 a few years ago  ???

Could be a nudge to get folks accustomed to the new dust fitting ?

But, judging by the the amount of posts showing up on the splash page's info center I wonder if it's just an attempt to bury all the Kapex motor bashing ?  It's succeeded even if it's not. [eek]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: BarneyD on October 04, 2016, 06:58 PM
I already own a RO125 and ETS 125 so I surely don't need this. But it's too good a deal to pass up. Ordered one. Maybe I can use one in each hand thereby doubling my productivity. Hmmmm,  I guess I'd need another CT26.....

Barney
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: leakyroof on October 04, 2016, 07:12 PM
I already own a RO125 and ETS 125 so I surely don't need this. But it's too good a deal to pass up. Ordered one. Maybe I can use one in each hand thereby doubling my productivity. Hmmmm,  I guess I'd need another CT26.....

Barney
. You should post your thoughts on a comparison between the old and new version of the ETS 125 for us here on FOG.  As an experienced user, you will have some added value in seeing what's changed.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: KescoNY on October 04, 2016, 07:14 PM
i just preordered 7 of them.  So I'm under the impression that i will be getting 7 vouchers for $50 each. Can they all be redeemed at the same time for one purchase or do they have to be used 1 at a time ?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: KescoNY on October 04, 2016, 07:17 PM
Just went back and saw that the vouchers can not be combined   :(
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Potts17 on October 04, 2016, 07:23 PM
I just ordered mine as well.  Waiting for the April Fools joke to come out saying it's really $499. What a smoking deal at $99
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Svar on October 04, 2016, 07:29 PM
i just preordered 7 of them. 
[scared]
Festool must be rethinking the move as we speak. FOG will put it out of business.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: sigmatango on October 04, 2016, 07:34 PM
I believe the video is in Dutch, not German...  [big grin]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: TylerC on October 04, 2016, 07:46 PM
It has me wondering why the offer is so good, and if there would be others.  I wonder if Festool is testing out a lower cost / higher volume strategy, or possibly quarterly outstanding deals to get new customers hooked ("the first one's free").

This is a one-off promotion. I wouldn't get used to it.

I'm glad that many of you FOG folks are getting one (or seven  [wink]), but the main idea was to make it easier for people to try Festool for the first time.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: grbmds on October 04, 2016, 08:24 PM
@TylerC Any difference between the old ETS125 and this new one other than the systainer color?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 04, 2016, 08:24 PM
@TylerC Any difference between the old ETS125 and this new one other than the systainer color?

@grbmds, here are the improvements over the ETS 125 EQ.

- More powerful 250W motor to improve material removal rates up to 25%
- Included pad protector for sanding up close to adjacent surfaces
- Bayonet-style locking dust port and optional reuseable dust bag
- Improved ergonomics with reduced vibration and soft grip
- The sanding performance and dust collection you expect from Festool
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: tms0425 on October 04, 2016, 08:41 PM
I'm in for 1, just too hard to resist  [unsure]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Brice Burrell on October 04, 2016, 08:45 PM
It has me wondering why the offer is so good, and if there would be others.  I wonder if Festool is testing out a lower cost / higher volume strategy, or possibly quarterly outstanding deals to get new customers hooked ("the first one's free").

This is a one-off promotion. I wouldn't get used to it.

I'm glad that many of you FOG folks are getting one (or seven  [wink]), but the main idea was to make it easier for people to try Festool for the first time.

At the rate these seem to be selling FOG members are going to buy them all up, and there won't any available for new customers. 
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: bdiemer on October 04, 2016, 08:50 PM
Is there such a thing as too many finish sanders ?????
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 04, 2016, 08:59 PM
I think this is a great offer from Festool. There are so many who are "on the fence" or just completely anti-Festool because of the prices. This is an opportunity for folks to dip their toe in the water and see what it's like. The water is great, come on in!  [big grin]

Sure, many current customers will take advantage of this phenomenal deal too. I'm sure it's an expected result.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: jafenske on October 04, 2016, 09:21 PM
This is awesome... Sander number 4 for my stable.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Kodi Crescent on October 04, 2016, 09:27 PM
Ordered one, no need for it, but the cord and systainer are worth buying it.

Judging from the tread in couple months we'll see a lot of ETS125 PRO 5 e-bay offerings.  [big grin]
Anyway, are there half-off plans for Domino XL in blue systainer any time soon?



It has me wondering why the offer is so good, and if there would be others.  I wonder if Festool is testing out a lower cost / higher volume strategy, or possibly quarterly outstanding deals to get new customers hooked ("the first one's free").

Me too.  I sure feel like a sucker for buying an ETS 125 at full price years ago.  Is the PRO built to a lesser standard? I'll sure feel like a massive sucker if all the tools get discounted in a similar fashion.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: bdiemer on October 04, 2016, 09:35 PM
I ordered one. At that price I can afford to keep one with a super soft pad and maybe not have to deal with that interface pad again. To me the interface pad has been a necessary evil. Too many holes to line up.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: WastedP on October 04, 2016, 09:54 PM
Can someone throw in a few points I have not thought of?--part of me still wants to get this.

Hey @teocaf, the best part is that the sander is basically free.

Take the $99 price tag and subtract the $74 price of a Systainer 2, then subtract the price of a $44 Plug-it cord and you come up with a -$19 price tag. Who can't use an extra Systainer & extra Plug-it cord? Even if you never use the voucher...you're still ahead of the game. [popcorn] [popcorn]

Okay, you talked me into it.  I have an RO 125 in a classic systainer that I was going to buy a T-Loc for, so this comes with a spare cord and a spare sander.  I haven't used an ETS 125, but I just bought an ETS EC 125 for the shop last week, and I love it.  I was considering buying one for myself, but I'll go along with this.

Out of curiosity, @TylerC , is the PRO 5 German-made?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: mwildt on October 04, 2016, 10:07 PM
Tempting for sure, but I have the previous version already. Not sure about the new hose connector, seems like it will be more of a mess.

@TylerC I do like the edge protector, anyone know if that one will fit the current model ?

May have to try it I guess.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 04, 2016, 10:10 PM
Out of curiosity, @TylerC , is the PRO 5 German-made?

@WastedP, yes, made in Germany.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Sparky on October 04, 2016, 10:13 PM
Is this u.s. Only haven't seen it for Canada yet.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Don T on October 04, 2016, 10:22 PM
I did not really need this but it is just too good of deal to pass up, just ordered.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Marc2010 on October 04, 2016, 10:23 PM
Im happy to say that I ordered 2 because its too good to pass up. 
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: mark60 on October 04, 2016, 10:25 PM
I'm an easy sell, I ordered one.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: TylerC on October 04, 2016, 10:26 PM
Out of curiosity, @TylerC , is the PRO 5 German-made?

Yes. The PRO 5 LTD is engineered and made in Germany.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: TylerC on October 04, 2016, 10:28 PM
Is this u.s. Only haven't seen it for Canada yet.

It's available in the US and Canada.
$99 in the US.
$129 in Canada.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cheese on October 04, 2016, 11:19 PM
Me too.  I sure feel like a sucker for buying an ETS 125 at full price years ago.  Is the PRO built to a lesser standard? I'll sure feel like a massive sucker if all the tools get discounted in a similar fashion.

Hey @Kodi Crescent ...don't feel like a sucker, you've used the sander for years and you've probably got your moneys worth out of it at this point.

What Festool is now embarking on is called market penetration. Festool is launching a huge effort to become a major player in the US tool market. This can be seen in their recent commitment to producing tools that have imperial markings rather than metric markings. Another aspect of it also pivots around them offering a loss leader to allow those folks that are on the fence, to purchase a Festool product and to experience the resultant Festool experience first hand.
If you offer a loss leader (think the new ETS 125) and it's a winner, thousands of product will be sold, but it's really not the product that they make a killing on, it's the disposables and future good will that is the target. Think about all of the pads, Systainers, Plug-its, dust collectors and abrasives that will be purchased for each new ETS 125 sold. [jawdrop]

It's really marketing 101 and they're off to a good start...now about those nasty Kapex problems... [poke] Festool...is there any body out there?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Pravos on October 04, 2016, 11:59 PM
Thanks Shane, got one as well even though I already have the current model.

Sent from my SM-N920T using Tapatalk

Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Michael Kellough on October 05, 2016, 12:11 AM
Me too.  I sure feel like a sucker for buying an ETS 125 at full price years ago.  Is the PRO built to a lesser standard? I'll sure feel like a massive sucker if all the tools get discounted in a similar fashion.

Hey @Kodi Crescent ...don't feel like a sucker, you've used the sander for years and you've probably got your moneys worth out of it at this point.

What Festool is now embarking on is called market penetration. Festool is launching a huge effort to become a major player in the US tool market. This can be seen in their recent commitment to producing tools that have imperial markings rather than metric markings. Another aspect of it also pivots around them offering a loss leader to allow those folks that are on the fence, to purchase a Festool product and to experience the resultant Festool experience first hand.
If you offer a loss leader (think the new ETS 125) and it's a winner, thousands of product will be sold, but it's really not the product that they make a killing on, it's the disposables and future good will that is the target. Think about all of the pads, Systainers, Plug-its, dust collectors and abrasives that will be purchased for each new ETS 125 sold. [jawdrop]

It's really marketing 101 and they're off to a good start...now about those nasty Kapex problems... [poke] Festool...is there any body out there?

Ah, now it hits me that it's the Pro 5, as in 5" instead of the Pro 125 (mm).
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: NL-mikkla on October 05, 2016, 12:54 AM
Ordered!  Not sure why I need it yet, but I'm sure I'll find a use soon!

Small nit pick, but I don't think the video is in German!

Yeah, it's Dutch and even got Dutch subs??
Any of the US dealers ship to the EU, lol??
I have all the sanders except the 125 range, I really have no need for it but this deal is soooo sweeeet


Think you're correct, sounds Dutch/Flemish to me.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: McNally Family on October 05, 2016, 02:16 AM
Are you guys going to have any of the new locking style tool ends for the vacuum hose for sale too ?

@antss, the new hose connector is included with this $99 sander. If you just want it separately, we have the bayonet-style connector (http://www.festoolproducts.com/festool-500669-locking-dust-extraction-hose-port.html) available separately.


New hose connection compatibility with other currently owned sanders/tools:

Shane,

It is my understanding the new sander has the locking dust port connection, that will work in tandem with the included locking retrofit kit for current 27mm hoses.

Just a couple questions:

1) Will the included retrofit kit work on the tool end of the sleeved hose (which, if I am correct,  is tapered down to 22mm on the tool end)?

2) Since we will need to install the retrofit kit on our current hoses, in order to connect to the locking dust port on the sander, what happens if we switch to an older sander/tool (in my case, the RS 2E).  Will we need to revert the hose locking connection back to the standard fitting, just to use the existing "non-locking" dust ports?

*Please forgive me if I am missing an obvious answer or solution to this compatibility issue.  I have just not yet wrapped my head around switching to the new locking hose and dust ports Festool is beginning to release, and how it impacts existing hose and dust port connections.  It may very well be there is no conflict and I just don't see it yet.


**P.S.  Shane, to avoid any appearance of favoritism, I asked Bob these same questions on his thread.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 05, 2016, 08:18 AM
@McNally Family,

Good questions.

The retrofit connector included is for a 27mm hose. It will not work with a 22mm. Festool USA has not made the version for the 22mm hose available in the U.S. yet. 500668 is the part number, I believe.

The new style connector is backward compatible. So it will work with all of your tools that do not have the locking connector. It will just friction fit like the current connector on your hose.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Roseland on October 05, 2016, 08:39 AM
Is this u.s. Only haven't seen it for Canada yet.

It's available in the US and Canada.
$99 in the US.
$129 in Canada.

And only £280.80 ($357 US$) in the UK:

https://www.festool.co.uk/Products/Pages/Product-Detail.aspx?pid=201238&name=Eccentric-sander-ETS-125-REQ-GB-240V 

Grrrr.

Andrew
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cheese on October 05, 2016, 08:42 AM
Festool USA has not made the version for the 22mm hose available in the U.S. yet. 500689 is the part number, I believe.

Hey Shane, the 22/27 version ia actually 500668.

https://www.festool.com/Products/Accessories/Pages/Detail.aspx?pid=500668&name=Hose-sleeves-D-27-22-DM-AS-CT
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: ScoFF on October 05, 2016, 10:27 AM
How do those $50 coupons work?  They expire on dec 2017, can I use them anywhere that sells Festool or only at the same dealer we bought this sander from?
When we make a future purchase can we use a maximum of one coupon per order or can we use 5 coupons towards the single purchase and stack them?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 05, 2016, 10:31 AM
How do those $50 coupons work?  They expire on dec 2017, can I use them anywhere that sells Festool or only at the same dealer we bought this sander from?
When we make a future purchase can we use a maximum of one coupon per order or can we use 5 coupons towards the single purchase and stack them?

@ScoFF, good questions.

Vouchers are included in the sander Systainer. They expire on 12/31/2017. They can be used with any dealer (as long as it's the Tool Nut  [poke]). Seriously though, you can use it with any dealer. You cannot combine the vouchers on a single order. Nor can the voucher be used to purchase another PRO 5 sander. However, the voucher can be used in combination with a tool + vac/mft package deal.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Michael Kellough on October 05, 2016, 11:14 AM
Voucher is only good for a tool purchase?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 05, 2016, 11:15 AM
Voucher is only good for a tool purchase?

Yes, correct. Tools only.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: McNally Family on October 05, 2016, 11:20 AM
@McNally Family,

Good questions.

The retrofit connector included is for a 27mm hose. It will not work with a 22mm. Festool USA has not made the version for the 22mm hose available in the U.S. yet. 500689 is the part number, I believe.

The new style connector is backward compatible. So it will work with all of your tools that do not have the locking connector. It will just friction fit like the current connector on your hose.

Thanks Shane,

If I understand you correctly, the hose retrofit kit, when used on a 27mm hose, is backward compatible with any older tool by using a "friction" connection, but not in a locking capacity.

For someone using the "sleeved hose", there will be a locking retrofit kit, but just not yet.

The new sander, having the locking dust port, can be used with a modified 27mm hose, but not with a sleeved hose then.

Is that correct?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 05, 2016, 11:53 AM
@McNally Family, yes, correct.

Hopefully, Festool USA will add the 22mm bayonet-style connector to their offerings soon for your sleeved hose. I will let the forum members know when that happens.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Christopher Fitch on October 05, 2016, 12:20 PM
 (Apologies if this was answered above). So how does this new connector on the new sander work with older hose? It just fits in friction style?

Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 05, 2016, 12:31 PM
(Apologies if this was answered above). So how does this new connector on the new sander work with older hose? It just fits in friction style?

@Christopher Fitch, yes, friction fit just like all other connectors.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: McNally Family on October 05, 2016, 12:34 PM
(Apologies if this was answered above). So how does this new connector on the new sander work with older hose? It just fits in friction style?

If I understand this correctly, based on Shane's earlier explanation, the sander will come with the required retrofit kit so you can use your existing 27mm hose with the new sander, after you modify your hose with the retrofit kit

Should you have a need to use a different tool with your modified 27mm hose, it will be backward compatible with older dust ports, but with friction only, and not the locking feature.   

I could be wrong, because this whole locking concept for both the tool dust port and hose modification is all brand new.  Plus, I am rather slow, so it may be I am just not grasping the entire concept.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: McNally Family on October 05, 2016, 12:49 PM
(Apologies if this was answered above). So how does this new connector on the new sander work with older hose? It just fits in friction style?

If I understand this correctly, based on Shane's earlier explanation, the sander will come with the required retrofit kit so you can use your existing 27mm hose with the new sander, after you modify your hose with the retrofit kit

Should you have a need to use a different tool with your modified 27mm hose, it will be backward compatible with older dust ports, but with friction only, and not the locking feature.   

I could be wrong, because this whole locking concept for both the tool dust port and hose modification is all brand new.  Plus, I am rather slow, so it may be I am just not grasping the entire concept.

This just in from another thread (a direct answer from Festool):

From Brent at Festool.

Just a couple questions:

1) Will the included retrofit kit work on the tool end of the sleeved hose (which, if I am correct,  is tapered down to 22mm on the tool end)? Yes.  The tool end of the hose is the same diameter even though the hose diameter is different.

2) Since we will need to install the retrofit kit on our current hoses, in order to connect to the locking dust port on the sander, what happens if we switch to an older sander/tool (in my case, the RS 2E).  Will we need to revert the hose locking connection back to the standard fitting, just to use the existing "non-locking" dust ports? No.  The new connector will work on all Festool tools old and new 


I think I am starting to understand all this......so, according to Festool, my sleeved hose will work with the retrofit kit (hose is tapered down to 22mm, not the hose connector).    There will be no compatibility issues and the new connector will work on all Festool tools, new and old (either friction or locking).

Guess I can stop worrying and go back to bed. 
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 05, 2016, 01:06 PM
We need @Phil Beckley to do a video on the new locking hose connectors.

Let me see if I can do a quick list of the permutations to explain.

Bayonet hose -> New tool with bayonet connector = Locking fit
Bayonet hose -> Old tool without bayonet connector = Friction fit
Old hose -> Old tool without bayonet connector = Friction fit
Old hose -> New tool with bayonet connector = Friction fit

The PRO 5 sander will come with the bayonet-style hose connector, which you can retrofit onto your 27mm hose. It's pretty simple to swap out, you'll just need a standard screwdriver or something you can use to depress a tab to release the connector.

Hopefully that helps.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cheese on October 05, 2016, 01:23 PM

This just in from another thread (a direct answer from Festool):

From Brent at Festool.

Just a couple questions:

Yes.  The tool end of the hose is the same diameter even though the hose diameter is different.

Sorry to be the harbinger of bad news but the adapter will NOT fit sleeved hoses. The sleeved hose has a plastic retaining ring that clamps the cloth sleeve to the plastic end that screws in to the hose. It's visible in the first picture. The OD of the retaining ring is 1.66". The ID of the original fitting is 1.70", while the ID for the new bayonet fitting is 1.54".

The correct fitting for the 27/22 sleeved hose is 500668 and is presently NAINA. In post #113 Shane has already said that he will notify us when and if this fitting becomes available.

https://www.festool.com/Products/Accessories/Pages/Detail.aspx?pid=500668&name=Hose-sleeves-D-27-22-DM-AS-CT
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: GarryMartin on October 05, 2016, 01:27 PM
This just in from another thread (a direct answer from Festool):

From Brent at Festool.

Just a couple questions:

1) Will the included retrofit kit work on the tool end of the sleeved hose (which, if I am correct,  is tapered down to 22mm on the tool end)? Yes.  The tool end of the hose is the same diameter even though the hose diameter is different.

@Brent Shively can you just clarify that statement? I understood the retrofit kits are part number 500669 which is for standard 27mm hoses. For the 27/22 tapered, sleeved hose, my understanding was that part number 500668 was required as pictured below...

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Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: ekalb on October 05, 2016, 01:39 PM
Ordered.

Now the question is, what do I do with the ETS 125 I ordered from Toolnut last week and still haven't opened up?

oh well.

Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: McNally Family on October 05, 2016, 01:47 PM

This just in from another thread (a direct answer from Festool):

From Brent at Festool.

Just a couple questions:

Yes.  The tool end of the hose is the same diameter even though the hose diameter is different.

Sorry to be the harbinger of bad news but the adapter will NOT fit sleeved hoses. The sleeved hose has a plastic retaining ring that clamps the cloth sleeve to the plastic end that screws in to the hose. It's visible in the first picture. The OD of the retaining ring is 1.66". The ID of the original fitting is 1.70", while the ID for the new bayonet fitting is 1.54".

The correct fitting for the 27/22 sleeved hose is 500668 and is presently NAINA. In post #113 Shane has already said that he will notify us when and if this fitting becomes available.

https://www.festool.com/Products/Accessories/Pages/Detail.aspx?pid=500668&name=Hose-sleeves-D-27-22-DM-AS-CT

"Just when I thought I was out, they drag me back in" (Al Pacino in Godfather III)

So, based on what you just said, anyone who uses the sleeved hose should NOT order this sander, at least until it becomes certain Festool will be making the correct retrofit kit available to North America?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cheese on October 05, 2016, 01:54 PM
So, based on what you just said, anyone who uses the sleeved hose should NOT order this sander, at least until it becomes certain Festool will be making the correct retrofit kit available to North America?

I have 2 sleeved hoses and I ordered the sander. [eek] I just plan on using the present sleeved hoses and then when the adapters become available, I'll order 2 of them and retrofit the sleeved hoses. Or I may get in contact with a couple of Foggers that have access to NAINA products.

I've never really had issues with the hose coming off the sanders, my problem children have always been the TS 55 and DF 500.  [smile]


Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Svar on October 05, 2016, 01:57 PM
It's available in the US and Canada.
$99 in the US.
$129 in Canada.
And only £280.80 ($357 US$) in the UK:
https://www.festool.co.uk/Products/Pages/Product-Detail.aspx?pid=201238&name=Eccentric-sander-ETS-125-REQ-GB-240V 
Grrrr.
Andrew

That's our payback for all those "Not Available in North America" items.   [big grin] Who's jealous now.  [poke]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 05, 2016, 01:57 PM
So, based on what you just said, anyone who uses the sleeved hose should NOT order this sander, at least until it becomes certain Festool will be making the correct retrofit kit available to North America?

@McNally Family, your sleeved hose will work with the sander. But it will have a friction fit rather than utilizing the locking feature. If this is important to you in your buying decision, you will want to wait for the 22mm version of the locking connector to be available.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: McNally Family on October 05, 2016, 02:04 PM
So, based on what you just said, anyone who uses the sleeved hose should NOT order this sander, at least until it becomes certain Festool will be making the correct retrofit kit available to North America?

@McNally Family, your sleeved hose will work with the sander. But it will have a friction fit rather than utilizing the locking feature. If this is important to you in your buying decision, you will want to wait for the 22mm version of the locking connector to be available.

I just now fully grasped the idea that you don't need the retrofit in order to use your existing 22mm sleeved hose with the new locking dust port on the new sander (friction fit is plan B).   Thanks for your patience Shane, I told you I was slow....
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Brice Burrell on October 05, 2016, 02:08 PM
So, based on what you just said, anyone who uses the sleeved hose should NOT order this sander, at least until it becomes certain Festool will be making the correct retrofit kit available to North America?

@McNally Family, your sleeved hose will work with the sander. But it will have a friction fit rather than utilizing the locking feature. If this is important to you in your buying decision, you will want to wait for the 22mm version of the locking connector to be available.

Don't wait, get the Pro 5 LTD before it sells out.  The new locking feature is completely unnecessary for sanders, so your old style hose connectors will work just fine with the new sanders/tools. 
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: squawkin on October 05, 2016, 03:14 PM
Is this brushless?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Brice Burrell on October 05, 2016, 03:24 PM
Is this brushless?

Tyler C posted earlier, no, it is not brushless.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cochese on October 05, 2016, 04:23 PM
I think at this point we need an FAQ stickied, because questions are being repeated a lot.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: mwildt on October 05, 2016, 06:25 PM
I had a question earlier that may have drowned in then flurry of posts. Sorry for the repeat.

Will the edge protector on the new sander fit the older model ?

Thx
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 05, 2016, 06:44 PM
Will the edge protector on the new sander fit the older model ?

@mwildt, it will not. The new sanders have a slot that is used to interface with the pad protector and connect it to the sander.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: mwildt on October 05, 2016, 10:56 PM
Thanks Shane.

Does the old model have edge protector ? Hard to tell on Festoolusa site.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 05, 2016, 11:09 PM
Does the old model have edge protector ? Hard to tell on Festoolusa site.

@mwildt, no.

The Rotex sanders are the only other sanders with an edge protector with the exception of these newly released new PRO 5, DTS 400 REQ and RTS 400 REQ models.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: rbaker36 on October 06, 2016, 12:30 AM
I hope it is legit; I just ordered it!
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: bobfog on October 06, 2016, 04:24 AM
I hope it is legit; I just ordered it!

I'd just keep a close eye on your credit card statement and wait anxiously by the door for delivery, that Shane guy who started the thread has a bit of a dodgy history around here! [big grin] [eek]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: GP ARMY on October 06, 2016, 05:43 AM
I'm currently stationed in Germany.  Will you (Tool Nut) ship to APO addresses?

Thanks!
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Ptk16 on October 06, 2016, 06:25 AM
How much is the dust bag?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: gruz on October 06, 2016, 07:32 AM
 Can you use two of the $50 vouchers towards a single tool purchase?
 I'd like to get two of the  Sanders  now with the intention of using $100 off towards a future purchase...
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Peter Halle on October 06, 2016, 07:50 AM
How do those $50 coupons work?  They expire on dec 2017, can I use them anywhere that sells Festool or only at the same dealer we bought this sander from?
When we make a future purchase can we use a maximum of one coupon per order or can we use 5 coupons towards the single purchase and stack them?

@ScoFF, good questions.

Vouchers are included in the sander Systainer. They expire on 12/31/2017. They can be used with any dealer (as long as it's the Tool Nut  [poke]). Seriously though, you can use it with any dealer. You cannot combine the vouchers on a single order. Nor can the voucher be used to purchase another PRO 5 sander. However, the voucher can be used in combination with a tool + vac/mft package deal.

@gruz,

see answer in quotes above.

Peter
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Brice Burrell on October 06, 2016, 08:26 AM
How much is the dust bag?

$27 USD.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 06, 2016, 08:36 AM
Thanks, Brice, for helping with the answer on the dust bag pricing.  [smile]

Here's a link to it for everyone's convenience.

Reusable dust bag for use with locking dust port (http://www.festoolproducts.com/festool-new-products/festool-201693-long-life-reusable-dust-bag.html)

I'm currently stationed in Germany.  Will you (Tool Nut) ship to APO addresses?

PM sent.

Thanks!

Shane
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Brent Shively on October 06, 2016, 09:03 AM



Gary,
Sorry for the confusion.
Yes, the 500668 is to replace the reducing sleeve on the D27/22 sleeved hose and the 500669 is to replace the reducing sleeve on the standard D27 hose.
As has been stated you can still use the standard reducing sleeve that comes on the sleeved hose to connect to the new connector that is on the ETS 125.

Brent
 
This just in from another thread (a direct answer from Festool):

From Brent at Festool.

Just a couple questions:

1) Will the included retrofit kit work on the tool end of the sleeved hose (which, if I am correct,  is tapered down to 22mm on the tool end)? Yes.  The tool end of the hose is the same diameter even though the hose diameter is different.

@Brent Shively can you just clarify that statement? I understood the retrofit kits are part number 500669 which is for standard 27mm hoses. For the 27/22 tapered, sleeved hose, my understanding was that part number 500668 was required as pictured below...

(Attachment Link)
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 06, 2016, 09:47 AM
All Ya'll, just want to add some information to the discussion regarding the other two new sanders, the RTS 400 REQ (http://www.festoolproducts.com/festool-new-products/festool-201221-rts-400-req-orbital-sander.html) and the DTS 400 REQ (http://www.festoolproducts.com/festool-new-products/festool-201228-dts-400-req-orbital-sander.html). These sanders also include the bayonet-style connector to retrofit your existing Festool hose.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Michael Kellough on October 06, 2016, 09:59 AM
All, just want to add some information to the discussion regarding the other two new sanders, the RTS 400 REQ (http://www.festoolproducts.com/festool-new-products/festool-201221-rts-400-req-orbital-sander.html) and the DTS 400 REQ (http://www.festoolproducts.com/festool-new-products/festool-201228-dts-400-req-orbital-sander.html). These sanders also include the bayonet-style connector to retrofit your existing Festool hose.

I thought you moved to Virginia. Shouldn't that be yall?  [wink]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Scott in Bend on October 06, 2016, 10:44 AM
Brent,

When and where will the 500668 reducing sleeve for the D27/22 sleeved hose be available for purchase in the US?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Brent Shively on October 06, 2016, 11:44 AM
@Scott in San Diego
At this time we do not have an ETA on their arrival, but once they are here they  can be purchased from any Festool Dealer.

Brent
Brent,

When and where will the 500668 reducing sleeve for the D27/22 sleeved hose be available for purchase in the US?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: ewils91 on October 06, 2016, 11:51 AM
All, just want to add some information to the discussion regarding the other two new sanders, the RTS 400 REQ (http://www.festoolproducts.com/festool-new-products/festool-201221-rts-400-req-orbital-sander.html) and the DTS 400 REQ (http://www.festoolproducts.com/festool-new-products/festool-201228-dts-400-req-orbital-sander.html). These sanders also include the bayonet-style connector to retrofit your existing Festool hose.

I thought you moved to Virginia. Shouldn't that be yall?  [wink]

Ya'll only refers to one person, all ya'll is the plural form...lol
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 06, 2016, 12:02 PM
Important update from Festool about redemption of $50 vouchers

Vouchers will be included in the Systainer with the PRO 5 sander. Customers can go to www.festoolpro5.com and claim their $50 rebate once they purchase a qualifying tool. To qualify for a voucher redemption, a customer must purchase a second qualifying tool and submit the proper information via the website www.festoolpro5.com to receive the $50 reimbursement. The voucher may not be used for PRO 5 LTD sander, accessories or consumable items, and cannot be used in conjunction with ongoing promotions, closeout or discontinued items.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Michael Kellough on October 06, 2016, 12:06 PM
All, just want to add some...

I thought you moved to Virginia. Shouldn't that be yall?  [wink]

Ya'll only refers to one person, all ya'll is the plural form...lol

uh-uh
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Michael Kellough on October 06, 2016, 12:07 PM
Important update from Festool about $50 vouchers

Customers can go to www.festoolpro5.com and claim their $50 rebate. To qualify for a voucher redemption, a customer must purchase a second qualifying tool and submit the proper information via the website www.festoolpro5.com to receive the $50 reimbursement. The voucher may not be used for PRO 5 LTD sander, accessories or consumable items, and cannot be used in conjunction with ongoing promotions, closeout or discontinued items.[/i]

Now, or November?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 06, 2016, 12:08 PM
Now, or November?

@Michael Kellough, sorry I wasn't clear. This is for redemption of the voucher. I will clarify in my previous post. Vouchers will be included in the Systainer with the sander.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cochese on October 06, 2016, 12:16 PM
Y'all

For posterity's sake.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: hemlock on October 06, 2016, 01:04 PM
Important update from Festool about redemption of $50 vouchers

Vouchers will be included in the Systainer with the PRO 5 sander. Customers can go to www.festoolpro5.com and claim their $50 rebate once they purchase a qualifying tool. To qualify for a voucher redemption, a customer must purchase a second qualifying tool and submit the proper information via the website www.festoolpro5.com to receive the $50 reimbursement. The voucher may not be used for PRO 5 LTD sander, accessories or consumable items, and cannot be used in conjunction with ongoing promotions, closeout or discontinued items.

"qualifying tool"??  Does this mean there are only certain tools the voucher can be used on?  Seems to imply there are exceptions   [eek]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 06, 2016, 01:21 PM
"qualifying tool"??  Does this mean there are only certain tools the voucher can be used on?  Seems to imply there are exceptions   [eek]

The only tool that does not qualify is the PRO 5 Sander, 201234. You basically can't use the $50 to buy another one.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Svar on October 06, 2016, 01:42 PM
"qualifying tool"??  Does this mean there are only certain tools the voucher can be used on?  Seems to imply there are exceptions   [eek]

The only tool that does not qualify is the PRO 5 Sander, 201234. You basically can't use the $50 to buy another one.

SysLite, MFT, and Systainers are listed under "Power Tools" not "Accessories". Do they qualify? Or is it only for actual power tools?
Sorry for nitpicking. Thanks.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: mrt076 on October 06, 2016, 01:43 PM
Hi Shane,

Long time Festool fan but new to this forum.

There seems to be a high demand on these units and I also placed an order yesterday with Toolnut as well.  Is there any concern that Festool USA won't have enough stock to fill the current pre-orders and there is only a limited space in a warehouse/production?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Svar on October 06, 2016, 01:50 PM
Is there any concern that Festool USA won't have enough stock to fill the current pre-orders and there is only a limited space in a warehouse/production?

No, no concerns. I have live feed from Festool PRO 5 Sander new manufacturing facility in Wendlingen. Here is today's 3:00 am snapshot:
[attachimg=1]

ToolNut warehouse yesterday:
[attachimg=2]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 06, 2016, 02:26 PM
SysLite, MFT, and Systainers are listed under "Power Tools" not "Accessories". Do they qualify? Or is it only for actual power tools?
Sorry for nitpicking. Thanks.

@Svar, good questions. A power tool is considered a product with a serial number by Festool, generally speaking. MFTs and SysLites have serial numbers, Systainers do not. The WCR, for instance, also has a serial number and is considered a tool. But, basically, it's battery-operated, electric or pneumatic tools.

There seems to be a high demand on these units and I also placed an order yesterday with Toolnut as well.  Is there any concern that Festool USA won't have enough stock to fill the current pre-orders and there is only a limited space in a warehouse/production?

@mrt076, welcome to the forum and thanks for the order! I cannot offer any insight into Festool's warehouse or production capacities as they relate to demand for this promotion. That would be a question for them. Sorry I don't have more info to share on that.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: hemlock on October 06, 2016, 02:46 PM
"qualifying tool"??  Does this mean there are only certain tools the voucher can be used on?  Seems to imply there are exceptions   [eek]

The only tool that does not qualify is the PRO 5 Sander, 201234. You basically can't use the $50 to buy another one.

Thanks, Shane!  Amazing deal.  My order was in on day 1 :)
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: mrt076 on October 06, 2016, 02:50 PM
Shane, thanks for your reply.  I guess we will see.  I have been a Festool user for a little over 5 years and I have never seen this much interest/demand so this is going to get interesting.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: 2ooladdict on October 06, 2016, 06:54 PM
I have a RO90, ETS 150/3, RO150, RS2E and RAS115 but very hard to pass on this !
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Rustys on October 07, 2016, 06:58 AM
Can you use the existing ETS125 pads with new PRO 5 Sander? I apologize if I missed this question before.

Russ
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: leakyroof on October 07, 2016, 08:25 AM
Shane, thanks for your reply.  I guess we will see.  I have been a Festool user for a little over 5 years and I have never seen this much interest/demand so this is going to get interesting.
   Then you missed the Carvex threads, the EC sander threads, the Domino threads..... [wink] [wink] [wink]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 07, 2016, 08:39 AM
Can you use the existing ETS125 pads with new PRO 5 Sander? I apologize if I missed this question before.

@Rustys, yes, you can use all of the ETS 125 EQ accessories with the PRO 5 with the exception of the old Turbo dust bag. I don't think it would work because of the new dust port's outside diameter.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 07, 2016, 10:44 AM
Important Update

Festool has asked all dealers to suspend taking orders for the PRO 5 sander until further notice.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Pizza Steve on October 07, 2016, 11:03 AM

Well that keeps me from spending more money unnecessarily.  Probably gives me a bit of more precious time back, too.

[cool]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Paul G on October 07, 2016, 11:04 AM
That didn't last long
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cheese on October 07, 2016, 11:20 AM
I guess Festool was right all along...it was indeed a limited time offer, as in a 3-day limited time offer. [eek]

I feel bad for the brick & mortar stores, you know the offer comes out mid-week and the average Joe thinks I'll just go to my local Woodcraft, Betterleys, fill in the name, this weekend and order my sander, but the party's over before he gets there. Who'd have thunk...3 days.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: leakyroof on October 07, 2016, 11:27 AM
I guess Festool was right all along...it was indeed a limited time offer, as in a 3-day limited time offer. [eek]

I feel bad for the brick & mortar stores, you know the offer comes out mid-week and the average Joe thinks I'll just go to my local Woodcraft, Betterleys, fill in the name, this weekend and order my sander, but the party's over before he gets there. Who'd have thunk...3 days.
  Nah, they'll just introduce the Pro 6 next week like Apple does with its phones........ [poke] [poke] [poke] [bite tongue] [bite tongue]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cheese on October 07, 2016, 11:42 AM
Nah, they'll just introduce the Pro 6 next week like Apple does with its phones........ [poke] [poke] [poke] [bite tongue] [bite tongue]

Touché... [not worthy] [not worthy]

You know just walking backwards through all of the posts 2 of them really struck me.

Post 85 from Brice: "At the rate these seem to be selling FOG members are going to buy them all up, and there won't any available for new customers." [thumbs up] [thumbs up]

Post 54 from yeti hunter: "How long is this offer available for?  Can I wait until Friday to pre-order?" [sad] [crying]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: leakyroof on October 07, 2016, 11:51 AM
Nah, they'll just introduce the Pro 6 next week like Apple does with its phones........ [poke] [poke] [poke] [bite tongue] [bite tongue]

Touché... [not worthy] [not worthy]

You know just walking backwards through all of the posts 2 of them really struck me.

Post 85 from Brice: "At the rate these seem to be selling FOG members are going to buy them all up, and there won't any available for new customers." [thumbs up] [thumbs up]

Post 54 from yeti hunter: "How long is this offer available for?  Can I wait until Friday to pre-order?" [sad] [crying]
  Is that not the truth or what.... I spoke to my local dealer, who says they had multiple commercial shops buying 5-10 of the sanders at a time. I think it's the multiple buyers that Festool didn't plan on with this sale.  [eek] [eek] [scared] [scared]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cochese on October 07, 2016, 11:53 AM
Not sure why you'd wait on something like this, when it doesn't charge until it ships.

When in doubt with deals, buy now, think about it later.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Svar on October 07, 2016, 12:10 PM
You know just walking backwards through all of the posts 2 of them really struck me.
Post 85 from Brice: "At the rate these seem to be selling FOG members are going to buy them all up, and there won't any available for new customers." [thumbs up] [thumbs up]
Post 54 from yeti hunter: "How long is this offer available for?  Can I wait until Friday to pre-order?" [sad] [crying]
  Is that not the truth or what.... I spoke to my local dealer, who says they had multiple commercial shops buying 5-10 of the sanders at a time. I think it's the multiple buyers that Festool didn't plan on with this sale.  [eek] [eek] [scared] [scared]

I'm pretty sure many were bought for resale. Watch Classifieds and e-bay in a month. I think the deal was too good and had this unintended consequence.  [sad]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Svar on October 07, 2016, 12:25 PM
Shane,
Is the voucher transferable to another person? Not sure I'll buy another tool, could just give it to someone else, add a follower the green cult.  [big grin]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 07, 2016, 12:28 PM
Is the voucher transferable to another person? Not sure I'll buy another tool, could just give it to someone else, add a follower the green cult.  [big grin]

@Svar, there was nothing to say that it wasn't transferable, so I would assume that's fine. @TylerC can confirm.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: T. Ernsberger on October 07, 2016, 12:32 PM
I feel Festool and dealers should figure out a way to limit sales to one per person.  The goal of this promotion was to get people to try festool.  Being that's there is a limited supply it doesn't allow for multiple sales to a single person.  The sanders will sell out before everyone gets one if people are buying 5-10 at a time. 
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: bobfog on October 07, 2016, 12:35 PM
I feel Festool and dealers should figure out a way to limit sales to one per person.  The goal of this promotion was to get people to try festool.  Being that's there is a limited supply it doesn't allow for multiple sales to a single person.  The sanders will sell out before everyone gets one if people are buying 5-10 at a time.

I agree, a bit of a stupid school-boy error on Festool's part if they were allowing people to order 5+ units. Should have limited it to one per household/business.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Svar on October 07, 2016, 12:40 PM
I feel Festool and dealers should figure out a way to limit sales to one per person.  The goal of this promotion was to get people to try festool.  Being that's there is a limited supply it doesn't allow for multiple sales to a single person.  The sanders will sell out before everyone gets one if people are buying 5-10 at a time.

I agree, a bit of a stupid school-boy error on Festool's part if they were allowing people to order 5+ units. Should have limited it to one per household/business.

Perhaps, this is why preorders are suspended while they are rethinking the strategy.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cheese on October 07, 2016, 12:48 PM
Perhaps, this is why preorders are suspended while they are rethinking the strategy.

Let's hope that is indeed the case and that this promotion can proceed in the direction it was originally targeted for.  [big grin]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Brice Burrell on October 07, 2016, 12:58 PM
I hope they do limit the sale to one per customer.  Also, I hope dealers do a first come first served with the available sanders.  Actually, I should post this in Bob's thread. 
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: spllbnd2 on October 07, 2016, 01:02 PM
Do you guys charge the credit card now or on November 1st?

@Staniam, your credit card is charged when it ships.

If you pay with Paypal, it is billed at the time the order is placed.

Actually the funds get held on the credit/debit card until the sanders ship. So while the customer does not actually get fully charged for these until they ship out, the funds are held on the card until then.

Found this out myself. No worries here, but we should be giving out the correct information to customers.

Cheers,
Alex
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: spllbnd2 on October 07, 2016, 01:03 PM
Do you guys charge the credit card now or on November 1st?

@Staniam, your credit card is charged when it ships.

If you pay with Paypal, it is billed at the time the order is placed.

SOLD!

 Im getting married in 18 days and I would end up on the nightly news as murdered if I spent anything on Festool right now.

 Fwiw, The charge will show as pending until the sanders ship out. And funds held until then. So yes it will probably show up as pending and funds being held form account.

Cheer,
Alex
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cochese on October 07, 2016, 01:04 PM
Pending charge is fairly common. It also depends on your card if it impacts your available balance, etc.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: spllbnd2 on October 07, 2016, 01:07 PM
Been looking at Festools for some time now as an avid woodworker for many many years and have heard good things. Now I will be able to see first hand. Great deal on this sander and gets me my very first Festool. Exited and cannot wait. Already trying to decide what to buy and use that voucher on.  [big grin]

Cheers,
Alex
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: spllbnd2 on October 07, 2016, 01:09 PM
Pending charge is fairly common. It also depends on your card if it impacts your available balance, etc.

Total understand. But with debit cards being so common place now a days, pending charges do impact balances. Regular credit cards most likely not.

 Just like people to be the most informed as some may actually be using debit cards and not credit cards.

Cheers,
Alex
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 07, 2016, 01:14 PM
@spllbnd2, welcome to the forum.

The question was if we charge the card now or when it ships. We do not charge until it ships.

As far as I know, virtually any website you order from will do an authorization on the card. This checks for availability of funds and places a temporarily hold for those funds. It is not a charge and on my credit card is shows up as "pending". This makes sure that we (and any other online retailer) can collect the money once the product(s) ship. You are not charged interest during this time since we have not collect the monies from you.

Apologies if that was not said. Like Cochese said, this is a very common practice. Any website that doesn't do that is opening themselves up to fraud which is not good for the retailer, the bank or the consumer.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: spllbnd2 on October 07, 2016, 01:38 PM
@spllbnd2, welcome to the forum.

The question was if we charge the card now or when it ships. We do not charge until it ships.

As far as I know, virtually any website you order from will do an authorization on the card. This checks for availability of funds and places a temporarily hold for those funds. It is not a charge and on my credit card is shows up as "pending". This makes sure that we (and any other online retailer) can collect the money once the product(s) ship. You are not charged interest during this time since we have not collect the monies from you.

Apologies if that was not said. Like Cochese said, this is a very common practice. Any website that doesn't do that is opening themselves up to fraud which is not good for the retailer, the bank or the consumer.

 [thanks]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: zapdafish on October 07, 2016, 01:46 PM

Buddy of mine is stopping by to pick one or more up for me  [big grin]


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Is there any concern that Festool USA won't have enough stock to fill the current pre-orders and there is only a limited space in a warehouse/production?

No, no concerns. I have live feed from Festool PRO 5 Sander new manufacturing facility in Wendlingen. Here is today's 3:00 am snapshot:
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ToolNut warehouse yesterday:
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Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: meeker on October 07, 2016, 02:11 PM
Great deal on this sander and gets me my very first Festool. Exited and cannot wait. Already trying to decide what to buy and use that voucher on.  [big grin]
Same here! Ordered from festoolproducts on Wednesday, and glad I did before the suspension. Tracksaw and dust extractor next I think. This sander may be a loss leader for festool, but in this case will likely lead to me dropping $1200 additional, not to mention all the accessories for these products. [eek]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: RobBob on October 07, 2016, 02:24 PM
Can you use the existing ETS125 pads with new PRO 5 Sander? I apologize if I missed this question before.

@Rustys, yes, you can use all of the ETS 125 EQ accessories with the PRO 5 with the exception of the old Turbo dust bag. I don't think it would work because of the new dust port's outside diameter.
@Shane Holland Is there a blue hard pad that will fit the new PRO 5 sander?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 07, 2016, 02:30 PM
@Shane Holland Is there a blue hard pad that will fit the new PRO 5 sander?

@RobBob, Festool does not make a hard pad for the ETS 125 / PRO 5 sanders.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: mcooley on October 07, 2016, 04:53 PM
Any news on why Festool pulled the graphic down for the new sander? I imagine they oversold it. In my case the dealer ordered 20 so they are just making a list people who want one. I imagine it is a different system for online shops. I don't think Festool is the best at organizing their promotions. The confusion seems avoidable.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 07, 2016, 04:58 PM
Any news on why Festool pulled the graphic down for the new sander? I imagine they oversold it. In my case the dealer ordered 20 so they are just making a list people who want one. I imagine it is a different system for online shops. I don't think Festool is the best at organizing their promotions. The confusion seems avoidable.

I have shared the information that has been officially communicated to us from Festool, which is that they are asking dealers to suspend taking orders. I will definitely promptly share any additional information that is provided.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: ewils91 on October 07, 2016, 05:18 PM
Shane, I just ordered one from you folks yesterday and already sold my ETS125. Will you be able to fill your orders? Thanks Eddy Wilson
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: TylerC on October 07, 2016, 05:22 PM
Is the voucher transferable to another person? Not sure I'll buy another tool, could just give it to someone else, add a follower the green cult.  [big grin]

@Svar, there was nothing to say that it wasn't transferable, so I would assume that's fine. @TylerC can confirm.

Yes, the voucher is transferrable. As long as the person has the voucher number (and it's never been used), he/she will be fine.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 07, 2016, 05:30 PM
Shane, I just ordered one from you folks yesterday and already sold my ETS125. Will you be able to fill your orders? Thanks Eddy Wilson

Eddy, we have ordered more than enough inventory to fill all existing orders. I have no way to know how many orders Festool has received or their inventory on hand. If we receive any information from Festool that will impact our customers, I will share it here and proactively contact our customers.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: ewils91 on October 07, 2016, 05:32 PM
Thanks Shane, on top of things like usual.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Svar on October 07, 2016, 05:51 PM
Will PRO 5 sander in its current configuration be added to the line of sanders on a permanent basis alongside regular ETS125, or was it produced as a one time tool specifically for promotional purposes?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: TylerC on October 07, 2016, 06:03 PM
Will PRO 5 sander in its current configuration be added to the line of sanders on a permanent basis alongside regular ETS125, or was it produced as a one time tool specifically for promotional purposes?

It was intended as a limited-run tool.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cochese on October 07, 2016, 06:32 PM
Will PRO 5 sander in its current configuration be added to the line of sanders on a permanent basis alongside regular ETS125, or was it produced as a one time tool specifically for promotional purposes?

It was intended as a limited-run tool.

My impression was that the Pro5 is the new ETS125 with a special label, different systainer, and an assortment of paper instead of the dust bag. Is this not accurate?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Svar on October 07, 2016, 06:41 PM
Will PRO 5 sander in its current configuration be added to the line of sanders on a permanent basis alongside regular ETS125, or was it produced as a one time tool specifically for promotional purposes?

It was intended as a limited-run tool.

My impression was that the Pro5 is the new ETS125 with a special label, different systainer, and an assortment of paper instead of the dust bag. Is this not accurate?
Had the same impression. Different motor is not a small change. Don't really care for blue systainer, would rather have regular one.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: live4ever on October 07, 2016, 07:47 PM
When the promo hit deals sites is when I think it really overwhelmed supply.  Many people on those sites make a lot of extra income, if not a living, just flipping goods bought from deals. 

I agree with those that said the promo should have been limited to one per customer if the goal was truly to get more people exposed to the brand.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Paul G on October 07, 2016, 08:00 PM
Will PRO 5 sander in its current configuration be added to the line of sanders on a permanent basis alongside regular ETS125, or was it produced as a one time tool specifically for promotional purposes?

It was intended as a limited-run tool.

The Pro 5 is only a limited run tool?  [blink] Is this Festools take on the woodpecker OTT model?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: w802h on October 07, 2016, 08:34 PM
I spent about 4 hours today between my 150/5 EC and a LS130.  I was on the fence about getting the Pro5 and stocking a third paper size, but it looks like the decision has been made for me and I'm glad those who wanted one more than I got one (or two). 

If the idea of this promotion was to make the brand more accessible to those not familiar with Festool, I can only think this 3 day promotion that started and stopped on the FOG was more of a reward to already loyal followers. 
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Kodi Crescent on October 07, 2016, 09:36 PM
I haven't used my ETS 125 for years. But I rushed out and bought 10 of these from 10 different dealers, as I don't want to miss out on this great deal!

I'm looking forward to using the vouchers to replace my old metric-scale tools with the new Imperial versions!
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: leakyroof on October 07, 2016, 09:54 PM
I haven't used my ETS 125 for years. But I rushed out and bought 10 of these from 10 different dealers, as I don't want to miss out on this great deal!

I'm looking forward to using the vouchers to replace my old metric-scale tools with the new Imperial versions!
. Kidding or serious about the 10 sanders.... [blink]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: hemlock on October 07, 2016, 10:04 PM
10? Really?  Me thinks we're teaching Festool to never do this again.  Sad. 
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Brice Burrell on October 07, 2016, 10:23 PM
10? Really?  Me thinks we're teaching Festool to never do this again.  Sad.

I completely agree.  I hope Festool changes this to a one per customer deal.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Svar on October 07, 2016, 10:27 PM
10? Really?  Me thinks we're teaching Festool to never do this again.  Sad.
Looks like one per customer might not work either, as there are many dealers. Perhaps next time promotions like this could be done only directly through festoolusa.com, while voucher redeemable at any dealer.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: waterloomarc on October 07, 2016, 11:24 PM
When the promo hit deals sites is when I think it really overwhelmed supply.  Many people on those sites make a lot of extra income, if not a living, just flipping goods bought from deals. 

I agree with those that said the promo should have been limited to one per customer if the goal was truly to get more people exposed to the brand.

What promo sites are those? Like Groupon or something? I'm not familiar with what the term. And I really need another way to part with my money...
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cheese on October 07, 2016, 11:52 PM
I'm looking forward to using the vouchers to replace my old metric-scale tools with the new Imperial versions!

It's tongue-in cheek guys...Kodi is just like me, he ditched all those outdated/old fashioned metric tools and replaced them with modern imperial versions. Thank God, someone's finally seen the light, and it's so much easier using fractions than decimals, now where was I...hmm, 3/32" equals .093" which equals how many millimeters again? 
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: yetihunter on October 07, 2016, 11:57 PM
Nah, they'll just introduce the Pro 6 next week like Apple does with its phones........ [poke] [poke] [poke] [bite tongue] [bite tongue]

Touché... [not worthy] [not worthy]

You know just walking backwards through all of the posts 2 of them really struck me.

Post 85 from Brice: "At the rate these seem to be selling FOG members are going to buy them all up, and there won't any available for new customers." [thumbs up] [thumbs up]

Post 54 from yeti hunter: "How long is this offer available for?  Can I wait until Friday to pre-order?" [sad] [crying]

Whoopsie daisy. 


Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: TylerC on October 08, 2016, 12:08 AM
10? Really?  Me thinks we're teaching Festool to never do this again.  Sad.
Looks like one per customer might not work either, as there are many dealers.

This is right. As far as I know, it's difficult for us to control once dealers have it.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: live4ever on October 08, 2016, 12:20 AM
When the promo hit deals sites is when I think it really overwhelmed supply.  Many people on those sites make a lot of extra income, if not a living, just flipping goods bought from deals. 

I agree with those that said the promo should have been limited to one per customer if the goal was truly to get more people exposed to the brand.

What promo sites are those? Like Groupon or something? I'm not familiar with what the term. And I really need another way to part with my money...

For some reason the FOG doesn't let me post the name of the site...weird.  Pretty well-known site...not like it's some dark corner of the web...
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cheese on October 08, 2016, 12:29 AM
Post 54 from yeti hunter: "How long is this offer available for?  Can I wait until Friday to pre-order?" [sad] [crying]

Whoopsie daisy.
[/quote]

You were close but not exactly on mark Yeti...you did give it the big hurrah, but special limited time offerings from Festool bring with them a very short "pulling the trigger time"...maybe Kodi will part with one of those ten vouchers if you can add good information to his sistering floor joists conundrum...  [big grin]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: yetihunter on October 08, 2016, 02:22 AM
Post 54 from yeti hunter: "How long is this offer available for?  Can I wait until Friday to pre-order?" [sad] [crying]

Whoopsie daisy.

You were close but not exactly on mark Yeti...you did give it the big hurrah, but special limited time offerings from Festool bring with them a very short "pulling the trigger time"...maybe Kodi will part with one of those ten vouchers if you can add good information to his sistering floor joists conundrum...  [big grin]
[/quote]

I was expecting them to sell-out within the first day of pre-orders, to be perfectly honest.  :0   



Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cheese on October 08, 2016, 02:37 AM
 So were you able to lasoo one of these gems or not?

This is a really conflicted arrangement, Festool owners purchasing  a sander they already owned (I'm guilty), contractors hoarding (why wouldn't they...it's their livelihood), and the target audience being abandoned because Festool ran out of product. 
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Svar on October 08, 2016, 02:49 AM
So were you able to lasoo one of these gems or not?

This is a really conflicted arrangement, Festool owners purchasing  a sander they already owned (I'm guilty), contractors hoarding (why wouldn't they...it's their livelihood), and the target audience being abandoned because they ran out of product.
Don't worry. The target audience will get their share later from e-bay once the hoarders realise they only have two hands and cant use all ten sanders.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: yetihunter on October 08, 2016, 03:53 AM
So were you able to lasoo one of these gems or not?

This is a really conflicted arrangement, Festool owners purchasing  a sander they already owned (I'm guilty), contractors hoarding (why wouldn't they...it's their livelihood), and the target audience being abandoned because Festool ran out of product.

Who, me?  Nope.
I'm not the "new to festool" demographic they were going for, anyway.
I have a few Festool sanders already, just not a 5". 
Been thinking about the brushless one after using it and already owning the
brushless 150.  The $99 pricepoint, obviously, swayed me to just pre-order this model at one of my local dealers.  I can't get over there until...erm..today. :0

I'm certainly not upset about it.  Things have unfolded just as I had expected.
There's $99 extra cash toward the Domino in my future vs a $50 voucher.  :0

......orrrr a P1CC (wink Toolnut, wink)  [big grin]




Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: slalom on October 08, 2016, 08:59 AM
On Friday I was at Lee Valley picking up some other items and the PRO 5 Sander just happened to be on my order sheet (I hate it when that that happens lol). I understand that the production run was about 25,000. I do not know if dealers were given an allotment or not. I did not see the post on the promotion being suspended until I got home.

It is a good deal, and it will be nice to have the $50 voucher towards my Domino (hope springs eternal). In the end if I am not one of the lucky ones to actually get a PRO 5, I guess I will have a few $ to put in my Domino savings account lol.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Kodi Crescent on October 08, 2016, 01:30 PM
I'm looking forward to using the vouchers to replace my old metric-scale tools with the new Imperial versions!

It's tongue-in cheek guys...Kodi is just like me, he ditched all those outdated/old fashioned metric tools and replaced them with modern imperial versions. Thank God, someone's finally seen the light, and it's so much easier using fractions than decimals, now where was I...hmm, 3/32" equals .093" which equals how many millimeters again?

Finally, someone understands me!  Are you married?  :-* [tongue]

I haven't purchased a single ONE of these.  I considered buying ONE, but I already HAVE one.  I don't NEED one.  The one I do have, I haven't used for years.  I use the 150 series, and I have a stock of 150 paper.  I really don't want to stock 2 paper sizes.

This promotion really peeves me.  I've been a Festool customer for many years, and I've bought many tools.  Traditionally, Festool has had a very strict "no discount" policy.  Back when I was buying, Festool sales were as rare as hen's teeth.  I remember when Festool banned sales on eBay because Microsoft was offering a promotion through Bing and eBay.  Festool banned sales on eBay because an unaffiliated 3rd party was giving a promotional rebate.  Unbelievable adherence to the "no discount" policy.

Then Festool started offering periodic sales.  You couldn't plan on them, but once every blue moon some tool category would go on sale for 10% off.  People on this blog would go into a frenzy, myself included.  I have many tools that I bought during these "sale" periods, that I didn't really "need" but I bought because they were "on sale".  Those tools now sit unused.  They were a great deal now, weren't they? (Yes, for Festool).

Then there were the tools that I bought based on "need", and I paid full price for them.  They went on sale shortly after I purchased them (Kapex and accessories, anyone?)  Ah, rewarded again for my loyalty!

This "loss leader" tool looks like a great deal, especially with the $50 voucher.  But what would I buy with that voucher?  I've been a long-term customer, and my shop is now a metric shop.  U.S. Festools are now Imperial.  If I bought something, I'd most likely have to pay a "scale conversion tax".  "Rewarded" again.

No thanks.  I've been Festool's sucker for long enough.


Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: live4ever on October 08, 2016, 01:38 PM
I'm looking forward to using the vouchers to replace my old metric-scale tools with the new Imperial versions!

It's tongue-in cheek guys...Kodi is just like me, he ditched all those outdated/old fashioned metric tools and replaced them with modern imperial versions. Thank God, someone's finally seen the light, and it's so much easier using fractions than decimals, now where was I...hmm, 3/32" equals .093" which equals how many millimeters again?

Finally, someone understands me!  Are you married?  :-* [tongue]

I haven't purchased a single ONE of these.  I considered buying ONE, but I already HAVE one.  I don't NEED one.  The one I do have, I haven't used for years.  I use the 150 series, and I have a stock of 150 paper.  I really don't want to stock 2 paper sizes.

This promotion really peeves me.  I've been a Festool customer for many years, and I've bought many tools.  Traditionally, Festool has had a very strict "no discount" policy.  Back when I was buying, Festool sales were as rare as hen's teeth.  I remember when Festool banned sales on eBay because Microsoft was offering a promotion through Bing and eBay.  Festool banned sales on eBay because an unaffiliated 3rd party was giving a promotional rebate.  Unbelievable adherence to the "no discount" policy.

Then Festool started offering periodic sales.  You couldn't plan on them, but once every blue moon some tool category would go on sale for 10% off.  People on this blog would go into a frenzy, myself included.  I have many tools that I bought during these "sale" periods, that I didn't really "need" but I bought because they were "on sale".  Those tools now sit unused.  They were a great deal now, weren't they? (Yes, for Festool).

Then there were the tools that I bought based on "need", and I paid full price for them.  They went on sale shortly after I purchased them (Kapex and accessories, anyone?)  Ah, rewarded again for my loyalty!

This "loss leader" tool looks like a great deal, especially with the $50 voucher.  But what would I buy with that voucher?  I've been a long-term customer, and my shop is now a metric shop.  U.S. Festools are now Imperial.  If I bought something, I'd most likely have to pay a "scale conversion tax".  "Rewarded" again.

No thanks.  I've been Festool's sucker for long enough.

  [eek]:-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* [eek]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Pizza Steve on October 08, 2016, 02:29 PM
[...]
This "loss leader" tool looks like a great deal, especially with the $50 voucher.  But what would I buy with that voucher?  I've been a long-term customer, and my shop is now a metric shop.  U.S. Festools are now Imperial.  If I bought something, I'd most likely have to pay a "scale conversion tax".  "Rewarded" again.

No thanks.  I've been Festool's sucker for long enough.

Are all US-based Festools now imperial only?  Or can the metric versions also be purchased?  Up until this point I thought that there would be two options.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cheese on October 08, 2016, 03:55 PM
Are all US-based Festools now imperial only?  Or can the metric versions also be purchased?  Up until this point I thought that there would be two options.

It depends upon which tool you're asking about [eek] [eek] it's the old shotgun approach. Some are & some aren't. At this point the routers are available in both flavors as are the old TS track saws, but that will only be the case until the supply of US metric tools dries up. The new HKC (and I assume the HK) are imperial only. Need a Domino? That will be metric only...and the beat goes on.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: leakyroof on October 08, 2016, 05:36 PM
I'm looking forward to using the vouchers to replace my old metric-scale tools with the new Imperial versions!

It's tongue-in cheek guys...Kodi is just like me, he ditched all those outdated/old fashioned metric tools and replaced them with modern imperial versions. Thank God, someone's finally seen the light, and it's so much easier using fractions than decimals, now where was I...hmm, 3/32" equals .093" which equals how many millimeters again?

Finally, someone understands me!  Are you married?  :-* [tongue]

I haven't purchased a single ONE of these.  I considered buying ONE, but I already HAVE one.  I don't NEED one.  The one I do have, I haven't used for years.  I use the 150 series, and I have a stock of 150 paper.  I really don't want to stock 2 paper sizes.

This promotion really peeves me. 

No thanks.  I've been Festool's sucker for long enough.
. I had forgotten about the whole Bing thing. Man, you DO have some history with Festool.. [embarassed]
The different sand paper stocking is easier to get over once you use a sander regularly. If it gathers dust and didn't share with some other type like an LS130 and a RTS 400 kind of thing, one could get depressed about buying all those styles of abrasives...

Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Kodi Crescent on October 09, 2016, 08:24 AM
[...]
This "loss leader" tool looks like a great deal, especially with the $50 voucher.  But what would I buy with that voucher?  I've been a long-term customer, and my shop is now a metric shop.  U.S. Festools are now Imperial.  If I bought something, I'd most likely have to pay a "scale conversion tax".  "Rewarded" again.

No thanks.  I've been Festool's sucker for long enough.

Are all US-based Festools now imperial only?  Or can the metric versions also be purchased?  Up until this point I thought that there would be two options.

From what I've read, things like TS saws and such now come with Imperial scales.  You can have them "converted" for $80.  So if my old TS 55 breaks down, I can buy a NEW one, and then pay $80 to have it be converted back to metric to match what I had before.

Since Festool is reading this, please just convert them "complimentary" to support "loyal" customers.  Better yet, allow the dealer to order a metric version straight from Festool.  (Perhaps the dealers will allow an Imperial loaner if it is time sensitive order.) A low inventory could be kept at Festool to reduce the stocking and inventory costs.

Better yet, you could take a very small batch of Imperial tools, convert them to metric scales, and hold them in inventory.  Then as those metric tools are "pulled" via dealer order, you convert another Imperial one to metric to keep your small pool.  Perhaps they are already doing this.  Perhaps the conversions can be scheduled as part of a "labor balancing" effort to balance demand variability in repair volumes.

And as even another option, when a customer buys a tool and requests a conversion, look them up in your registration system.  If they are "loyal" or "historic" customers, convert it complimentary.  Perhaps apply the fee to "new" customers who desire metric scales.

If my TS 55 were to give up the ghost, I don't know what I'd do.  Perhaps I'd try my old (yet brand new) TS 75?  Maybe I'd pay the "metric tax" and have a new 55 converted?  Perhaps I'd really cut my nose off to spite my face and move to Mafell.  (Then when people come into my garage they won't recognize all that 'valuable' Festool stuff, as very few in the U.S. know about Mafell.)

I'm glad this promotion allowed me to "unload" this feedback! [big grin]



Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: antss on October 09, 2016, 02:29 PM
Perhaps the bosses would care to explain why it costs $80 for some stickers printed in metric to be swapped .  Ones that are already in the production and inventory pipeline to begin with. 5-10$ should easily cover the costs with shipping and a markup for all on a item like that.

Buying ten giveaway sanders isn't hard to explain , because everyday strategy such as this just promotes this kind of behavior.

And those "new" customers are going to be paying close to $200 for those special pro5s because the resellers are going to be selling them close to the new price anyway and will now have to factor in shipping as well. 

"Limit , one per customer" is standard boilerplate for any super duper promo. Festool gets a pass since this really isn't their area of expertise and have next zero experience  doing this.

My two cents is if you want increase you market you should lower your prices without appearing to lower your price. When Festo first arrived in the U.S. their offerings were very competitively priced with the competition. With their current market status it'd still be easy to charge more than the competition , but some of the prices are ridiculous compared to other makes. And please don't tell me the quality is that much better. Sure it's better, but not at the  same rate as the pricing multiples. 

And I'm not trying to start another cost flame war. I own a lot of this kit and have for decades.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Michael Kellough on October 09, 2016, 03:37 PM
"Perhaps the bosses would care to explain why it costs $80 for some stickers printed in metric to be swapped ."

I think the only tool that costs $80 to convert back to metric is the circular saw. The reason is, the scale is printed on or in the plastic housing and swapping it requires disassembly of the saw.

Someone can/will print out a metric sticker at some point to apply over the Imperial scale.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Kodi Crescent on October 09, 2016, 05:34 PM
Perhaps the bosses would care to explain why it costs $80 for some stickers printed in metric to be swapped .  Ones that are already in the production and inventory pipeline to begin with. 5-10$ should easily cover the costs with shipping and a markup for all on a item like that.

Buying ten giveaway sanders isn't hard to explain , because everyday strategy such as this just promotes this kind of behavior.

And those "new" customers are going to be paying close to $200 for those special pro5s because the resellers are going to be selling them close to the new price anyway and will now have to factor in shipping as well. 

"Limit , one per customer" is standard boilerplate for any super duper promo. Festool gets a pass since this really isn't their area of expertise and have next zero experience  doing this.

My two cents is if you want increase you market you should lower your prices without appearing to lower your price. When Festo first arrived in the U.S. their offerings were very competitively priced with the competition. With their current market status it'd still be easy to charge more than the competition , but some of the prices are ridiculous compared to other makes. And please don't tell me the quality is that much better. Sure it's better, but not at the  same rate as the pricing multiples. 

And I'm not trying to start another cost flame war. I own a lot of this kit and have for decades.

I once told an American expat in Germany about the Festool no sales policy.  He said that's a common practice in Germany and amongst German retailers.  They are VERY proud of what they produce and sell, and either want full retail from the customer, or no sale.  It doesn't bother them.

My guess is that they don't quite understand marketing in America and the differences in purchasing behavior between American and German societies.  Perhaps there is a skilled American marketing manager here in the USA that tries to explain this to them.  But as the company is headquartered out of Germany, I assume German's are heading it, and may not fully understand or embrace the advice their American marketing folks are providing.

As far as the relationship between quality and price, perhaps that relationship is the same as it was in the past.  I'm perceiving that the relationship is weakening as the push into the American market gets stronger.  American's do focus on price, which has its own effects.

I guess I can't have it both ways.   :'(

Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Untidy Shop on October 09, 2016, 08:07 PM
@Kodi Crescent and @antss

Agree re Festools integral pricing philosophy world wide. The UK is now the only market with discounting. We lost it - see 'One for the Aussies'.

As to the US market; sometime after the election you possibly might expect Festool prices to rise even more as I understand that both your major Parties/Candidates have stated they will remove trade agreements with Europe in an attempt to protect/promote US based industries and manufacturers. If this happens, would Festool consider US based manufacturing? Yes, I know, all this is conjecture!

Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: antss on October 09, 2016, 09:44 PM
Oh, I'm not trying to steer the conversation down the rabbit hole of "discounting" at the retail level.  In fact, I rather respect them for not running a sale every month like Sears and Macy's.

I'm talking about everyday competitive pricing.  When Festo first landed here I remember their routers being goofy looking with that single handle and that they cost about what a Bosch did - which wasn't exactly cheap. It wasn't that much xtra money to go with Festo(ol). 

Today, Festool's OF1400 is 40% more money than Bosch's mrp23 and that's MSRP and AFTER deducting out $85 for Festool's SYS 4 which is arguably "value added" to the1400.  This also assumes Bosch isn't shipping theirs in a Sortimo box - which they might. I don't know.  Both have similar specs, available accessories including dust collection options and 32mm drilling systems.  Bosch has even managed to have BOTH metric and SAE graduations on their depth scale at no additional charge.   Imagine that ? [embarassed]

So, is there anyone out there that wants to try to convince me that Festool is using 40% -70% better bearings, wiring, switches, plastic, aluminum and steel than Bosch ?   FWIW - I own both Festool and Bosch routers, though not the mrp23.

Which, brings me round to the pricing/market share conundrum.  While some may find Festool's prestige, quality(real or perceived), system approach, and feature set worth a 50% + premium , the majority of tool buyers do not.  " Everyone is not my customer" mentality I understand.  However, I think the pool of people willing to spend the premium for those reasons is already saturated.  I've seen this go from just unknown expensive tooling available only for those "in the know" from "a guy" - to cool kid status symbol available at 1000's of retail locations or delivered to your doorstep in a fairly short time span. 

If Festool wants to grow the U.S. market now , they're going to have to make the value proposition more attainable to the next tier of construction workers and hobbyist that may stretch financially for a higher quality or prestigious tools BUT simply cannot afford close to double the cost of a similar item. You're just not going to be able to persuade that group to buy in with clever marketing strategies. You'll have to adjust your prices lower.  Unlike Germany and Europe as whole, tradesmen ( a dying breed itself - and for another discussion)  here are conditioned to buy the cheapest tool to get the job done now.  A habit not conducive to growing market share for the most expensive item on the shelf.

I can lay out a strategy for growth that doesn't involve simply slashing prices and shouting off the current loyal base. But, you should already have that guy or gal in upper management. 

Well, maybe not considering the sander strategy.  Just send me a coupon or frequent flyer number for a $199 Conturo or Vac-SYS and I'll lay it out for you.   [tongue] [tongue] [tongue] [tongue] [tongue]

Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: KescoNY on October 09, 2016, 10:02 PM
I have mixed feelings regarding limit 1 per customer.  I look at some guys including myself that believe in these tools tremendously investing well over $60k and using them on daily bases. I already have (5) ets125 sanders and they are being used constantly. We purchase these high priced items at full retail prices all the time. I get that we overspend because of quality is superior to anything else and it is part of a whole system which makes the quality of our work much better end efficient.
If a deal comes thru likes this, Im going to purchase enough to replace my tired units and even have some replacements for the future.
What would tick me off is if i knew someone was purchasing a bulk of these items only to resell them defeating the intended purpose of the promotion
I totally understand the intended purpose of this promotion was to bring new customers to festool but this was a well thought out promotion by festool. Most will be using the vouchers to purchase high ticket items along with consumables for years to come not to mention all the DE equipment   No different then buying a printer for $19.99 only to spend $45 for cartridges for the next few years.

Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: antss on October 09, 2016, 10:28 PM
but this was a well thought out promotion by festool............................ [unsure]

Brainpower may have been expended on it, but like betting the ponies or football, it's extremely difficult to accurately predict the outcome.

I seriously doubt MOST of the vouchers will be used.  The faithful  won't need to purchase much, and the guys that bought 7 and 10 sanders aren't going to by 17 new Festools within an year.  Would you buy 5 new Festool if you acquired or replaced your sander lineup @ $99ea ? Doubt you'll see a huge run on 125mm sandpaper either.  Some yes, but not the truckloads one might expect based on the number of sander sales this week.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: KescoNY on October 09, 2016, 10:56 PM
im guilty....I bought 7.  5 of those 7 will be put to use immediately and i will take my older ets125s, put them on the shelf and service them to be spares as i have time.  I may be a bad example for this as I'm a production company using 8 MFTs, 5 track saws and grabbed 2 HKCs when they came out just to name a few examples.  No, I am not showing off yet I am very proud.  I use all these tools to make a living and provide for my family.
My monthly festool purchase is quite high considering the replacement tools, sandpaper, blades, bags, etc etc so I'm sure i will use up all my vouchers
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Svar on October 09, 2016, 11:17 PM
If anything this thread indicates that people who know how to run a successful tool company vastly outnumber successful tool companies.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: antss on October 09, 2016, 11:21 PM
Curious what 5 things you think you'll buy/need in the next twelve months ?

And clearly you weren't the intended target of the promotion. You're already hooked and don't need a free sample of crack to create a customer.

All the same, I'm sure you'll agree it's nice to offer this as thank you to all the loyal FOGgers , but that wasn't the stated intention. Furthermore , I question the wisdom of the Special Edition Systainer if the new guy was the intended target.  Why stigmatize him right off the bat with an oddball box spotted a mile away ?

The faithful might see it as a badge of honor to have a different box in the collection, like an Orange Fein SYS, or a FOG SYS, or a WOW first aid kit, but labeling the new guy as a new guy prob. wasn't the best move.



Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: antss on October 09, 2016, 11:27 PM
If anything this thread indicates that people who know how to run a successful tool company vastly outnumber successful tool companies.


Of course it does.  They're out there running other successful companies. 

Not everyone likes tools.   
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: KescoNY on October 10, 2016, 12:17 AM
Curious what 5 things you think you'll buy/need in the next twelve months ?

And clearly you weren't the intended target of the promotion. You're already hooked and don't need a free sample of crack to create a customer.

All the same, I'm sure you'll agree it's nice to offer this as thank you to all the loyal FOGgers , but that wasn't the stated intention. Furthermore , I question the wisdom of the Special Edition Systainer if the new guy was the intended target.  Why stigmatize him right off the bat with an oddball box spotted a mile away ?

The faithful might see it as a badge of honor to have a different box in the collection, like an Orange Fein SYS, or a FOG SYS, or a WOW first aid kit, but labeling the new guy as a new guy prob. wasn't the best move.

I have several more items i would like to add. For example every time i add a vehicle or a station, i would like them to be fully equipped with everyday items such as Ct36ac,MFT, TSC55,sanders etc so i don't think i would have any issues using the vouchers.

I have to disagree with some and this was great marketing by festool  Look at how much buzz it created on the FOG alone not to mention introducing current festool users that haven't invested in a sander yet to purchase one only to get a taste of it so they can go for the Rotex etc.

Then again what do i know, it can only be my false perception  ;D
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: T. Ernsberger on October 10, 2016, 08:01 AM
Curious what 5 things you think you'll buy/need in the next twelve months ?

And clearly you weren't the intended target of the promotion. You're already hooked and don't need a free sample of crack to create a customer.

All the same, I'm sure you'll agree it's nice to offer this as thank you to all the loyal FOGgers , but that wasn't the stated intention. Furthermore , I question the wisdom of the Special Edition Systainer if the new guy was the intended target.  Why stigmatize him right off the bat with an oddball box spotted a mile away ?

The faithful might see it as a badge of honor to have a different box in the collection, like an Orange Fein SYS, or a FOG SYS, or a WOW first aid kit, but labeling the new guy as a new guy prob. wasn't the best move.

I have several more items i would like to add. For example every time i add a vehicle or a station, i would like them to be fully equipped with everyday items such as Ct36ac,MFT, TSC55,sanders etc so i don't think i would have any issues using the vouchers.

I have to disagree with some and this was great marketing by festool  Look at how much buzz it created on the FOG alone not to mention introducing current festool users that haven't invested in a sander yet to purchase one only to get a taste of it so they can go for the Rotex etc.

Then again what do i know, it can only be my false perception  ;D



You did nothing wrong.  You took advantage of a great deal and it sounds like the sanders are going to get used.  I think the issue with the whole thing is people buying multiple sanders to sell on ebay for profit.  The point of this promotion was to introduce people to the Festool system.  With no rules in place multiple sanders can be bought by anyone. 
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: TylerC on October 10, 2016, 08:27 AM
"Perhaps the bosses would care to explain why it costs $80 for some stickers printed in metric to be swapped ."

I think the only tool that costs $80 to convert back to metric is the circular saw. The reason is, the scale is printed on or in the plastic housing and swapping it requires disassembly of the saw.

Someone can/will print out a metric sticker at some point to apply over the Imperial scale.

This is correct. It's not a sticker. The conversion replaces the housing.

As some people have pointed out, we have offered metric-to-imperial stickers, but we've found that those tend to present more problems than they solve. It's too easy for the application to be off for of for the sticker to move.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: leakyroof on October 10, 2016, 08:43 AM
"Perhaps the bosses would care to explain why it costs $80 for some stickers printed in metric to be swapped ."

I think the only tool that costs $80 to convert back to metric is the circular saw. The reason is, the scale is printed on or in the plastic housing and swapping it requires disassembly of the saw.

Someone can/will print out a metric sticker at some point to apply over the Imperial scale.

This is correct. It's not a sticker. The conversion replaces the housing.

As some people have pointed out, we have offered metric-to-imperial stickers, but we've found that those tend to present more problems than they solve. It's too easy for the application to be off for of for the sticker to move.
  Ah, good points, all of them.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 10, 2016, 08:53 AM
I would recommend that discussions about the imperial conversion (http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/festool-is-(partially)-moving-to-imperial-in-north-america) be continued in the thread devoted to the topic so folks can find all of the info in one place. Thanks.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Paul G on October 10, 2016, 10:42 AM
So is this promotion coming back in a revised format or are those who missed it out of luck?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 10, 2016, 10:50 AM
So is this promotion coming back in a revised format or are those who missed it out of luck?

We're waiting for more information from Festool. Currently, they have asked that all dealers suspend taking orders. I will share more info as soon as I have it.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: jmhockey23 on October 10, 2016, 03:27 PM
What a botched deal. They totally miscalculated this thing. Should have done a limited run at all dealers advertised for black friday or something like that. These things were snatched up by thousands in a couple days with very little ad press for exposure to new customers. A complete disaster. Also, really poor communication of what the $50 rebate was going to be too. First couple days we were told "voucher" then a rebate page gets created with absolutely no details. They will most definitely be learning from this. [blink]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: yetihunter on October 10, 2016, 04:25 PM
Maybe the rebate gets you an actual voucher?   [big grin]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Untidy Shop on October 10, 2016, 04:42 PM
Why this offer is not available in Australia is currently being discussed in the Visitor Posts of Festool Australia's FaceBook page. Festool replied -

Currently this machine is a USA 110v machine and is not available in other countries at this time. This machine is not compatible with the AU 240v circuits so can not be used in Australia. Once we have further information we will advise.


So, does this mean that this sander is the first Festool  NAONA model!? [Not Available Outside North America]  [eek]  [smile]


Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: duburban on October 10, 2016, 04:49 PM
I think that not always getting what you want makes the "catch" that much sweeter. It really is an interesting take on consumerism, the speak easy nature of a find a festool fix.

I was late to the party on a festool reconditioned order and thought I had scored a T18set and MFK700set from Bob Marino, Bob later contacted me to let me know that my order didn't go through. You know what showed up eventually? The T18set and MFK700set, it was a great day.

Must we always get what we want (aside from a new kapex motor)?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: ScoFF on October 10, 2016, 10:06 PM
Is the Festool MFS considered a product with a serial # that could be used with the voucher ?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 10, 2016, 10:08 PM
Is the Festool MFS considered a product with a serial # that could be used with the voucher ?

No. Not a tool. And, probably hard to find.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Dovetail65 on October 10, 2016, 10:32 PM
IMHO and that's all it is MY OPINION being here 8 years(yahoo days) and using Festools when they were Festo, I disagree with so many comments here.

The sale isn't' botched. I have read over an over about how this was to get market share etc. No it wasn't. DO you think Festool is stupid? They could have made 250,000 of these if they wanted to, it's not their aim and would have done them little had they. How much profit do you think is involved on a 99$ sale like this, ZERO?.

This sale was for people that already use Festool, potentially for a few who are on the fence for the brand. If no one was looking at Festool already or didn't have a Festool supplier or wasn't on this forum they wouldn't  even know about this sale. That's NOT a mistake, that's by design. Again, they are not stupid, they know how to advertise. Festool isn't a new company.

High end niche companies don't market a 99$ items to entice people. Everyone that keeps saying that doesn't understand marketing.

Festool isn't going to try to become the largest tool maker in the country as many here have suggested. IMHO if they tried to it would be a HUGE mistake. They would have to come down to mid level pricing to become the largest. Why would they compete in that area when they own their market? If they wanted to become the largest they would just drop their tools in Home Depot, reduce their prices by 20% to 30%(having to lower the quality as well) and mass produce the heck out the them. No way are they going to dilute their name by doing that. Sell more items at less a profit to deal with far more clients in an area they aren't really experts in? At best they break even, at worst they collapse.

I see this tool more a reward for people in Festool already. The people stating that this  99.99 could of launched them into Festool and "maybe" they would spend more to jump in the brand may not be honest with themselves.  And Festool knows a 99 sander does not draw a person in to then buy 1500.00 miter saws or pieces of MDF on extrusions for 500.00.

No, Festool do as you are doing. Stay in your niche, make higher end tools at a larger profit margin while selling to the LEAST amount of people you can. Because we don't need nor will you make massive money getting into a war with DeWalt, Bosch, Milwaukee and Makita in that price range. I believe Festool knows this.

If Festool was to try to compete in the mid range market as the company is now with the tools they have or even to make a lesser line altogether they dilute the name. They are daft if they did that. Slow growth, stay near high end and have a nice sale every now and again. This has worked for them for years and years, no need to change now.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: antss on October 11, 2016, 12:29 AM
Sorry @Dovetail65 , but Festool's own rep stated that the sale was intended to attract new customers.  Which, by extension would grow their share of the market.   

High end companies make lower priced stuff all the time. Even niche ones.  Look at Hermes and Louis Vuitton.  They sell plenty of $100-$200 items every year when their core business is 5 and 6 figure leather goods.  They aren't doing that for charity or because of vanity, or because they don't understand marketing.    BMW makes, or more likely licenses their name/logo for shirts, warm-ups and even tennis shoes.  And they ain't giving them away for 19.99 along with a coupon for 25% off a new set of tires. 

Who suggested festool is trying to become the world's largest tool co.?  I think pretty much everyone will acknowledge that Festool would get its lunch eaten trying to compete against B&D and Bosch.   The returns charged back from the Home Depot alone would likely ruin the U.S. subsidiary alone. 

But growing their customer base incrementally though faster than a few at a time in the U.S. isn't far fetched. What are their prospects otherwise ?  Be content to sell the faithful some sandpaper& saw blades every couple of months, along with a kapex motor every two years ???  Or, try to convince 8 more guys this month that a $3000 portable edgebander or clamp is a must have ?

And Festool may not be as savvy as you think.  Lots of companies make poor decisions. Even ones with longer and more storied pasts than Festo.  Remember New Coke ?  How about McRib & McAfrica ?  Think those companies spared expense on hiring the brain trusts that dreamed up ,or management that approved, those gems ???  How about the Edsel - from the co. the arguably created the auto market.

If Festool simply wanted to reward the faithful, an offer only available to current FOGers, or their own database of registered tool owners would have been much easier.  And quieter.  They would have just mailed everyone the $50 voucher, or a toolie, or a hat, or another coupon for a cut rate promo tool to redeem at a dealer.  I think you give them too much altruistic credit . So, that obviously wasn't their intent.......................or they don't know everything about marketing.

 
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: batmanrobin on October 11, 2016, 12:40 AM
Can you still order a Pro5 sander?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 11, 2016, 12:42 AM
Can you still order a Pro5 sander?

@batmanrobin

No. Festool has asked all dealers to suspect taking orders until further notice. You can subscribe to our newsletter (http://www.toolnut.com/newsletter.html) if you'd like to be notified should they allow orders again at some point in the future.

Shane
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: HarveyWildes on October 11, 2016, 12:55 AM
Shane, you are the dude - answering questions after midnight local time (unless you are visiting Hawaii).  Nothing like a high drama promotion to keep you this busy with FOG.  Thanks for your dedication.

I was out of town and not paying attention last week, and finally talked to someone who would put my name on an informal list of people to contact if the promotion was restarted - no guarantees.  I have not one single 5" Festool RO sander.  But not to worry - I have a 6" and two DeWalt 5" RO sanders, so life will go on.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 11, 2016, 12:59 AM
@HarveyWildes, I'm a night owl. [big grin] Glad to help out and answer questions. I hope that everyone who would like to take advantage of this great offer has the opportunity. Hopefully we'll have more information soon.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Paul G on October 11, 2016, 02:14 AM
@antss Haven't seen a Festool sander compared to the McRib before, you kinda made me hungry  [big grin]

I actually liked that sandwich, go figure.  [drooling]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Svar on October 11, 2016, 02:18 AM
Shane, you are the dude - answering questions after midnight local time
Just another reason why people pay extra for Festool - a sales rep answering customers questions on some forum after midnight. Try that on Makita forum ... oh wait, there is no Makita forum.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 11, 2016, 09:09 AM
Just another reason why people pay extra for Festool - a sales rep answering customers questions on some forum after midnight. Try that on Makita forum ... oh wait, there is no Makita forum.

I'm just a sales rep to you guys?  [crying] [crying] [crying]

 [tongue]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: leakyroof on October 11, 2016, 09:23 AM
Just another reason why people pay extra for Festool - a sales rep answering customers questions on some forum after midnight. Try that on Makita forum ... oh wait, there is no Makita forum.

I'm just a sales rep to you guys?  [crying] [crying] [crying]

 [tongue]
   SUPER sales rep...
 'Snappy' Sales Rep....
 Not JUST a sales rep.... [wink]
 Our Go-To-Guy, that Festool Guy, The Shanernator[ less expensive version of the Terminator.... [wink] [poke]]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: ewils91 on October 11, 2016, 10:10 AM
Just another reason why people pay extra for Festool - a sales rep answering customers questions on some forum after midnight. Try that on Makita forum ... oh wait, there is no Makita forum.

I'm just a sales rep to you guys?  [crying] [crying] [crying]

 [tongue]

To me, you're "The Man". That title to me trumps all other titles. Please; no Trump jokes guys. I don't want to tarnish Shane with that comparison.  [blink]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Peter Halle on October 11, 2016, 10:13 AM
He is simply "The Shane!"

Peter
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 11, 2016, 10:17 AM
Just teasing, guys. All in jest.  [big grin] There are a lot of great contributors and dealers represented here on the forum. I'm just trying to be one of those guys.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: ewils91 on October 11, 2016, 10:20 AM
 [not worthy]
Just teasing, guys. All in jest.  [big grin] There are a lot of great contributors and dealers represented here on the forum. I'm just trying to be one of those guys.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: promark747 on October 11, 2016, 10:31 AM
IMHO and that's all it is MY OPINION being here 8 years(yahoo days) and using Festools when they were Festo, I disagree with so many comments here.

The sale isn't' botched. I have read over an over about how this was to get market share etc. No it wasn't. DO you think Festool is stupid? They could have made 250,000 of these if they wanted to, it's not their aim and would have done them little had they. How much profit do you think is involved on a 99$ sale like this, ZERO?.

This sale was for people that already use Festool, potentially for a few who are on the fence for the brand. If no one was looking at Festool already or didn't have a Festool supplier or wasn't on this forum they wouldn't  even know about this sale. That's NOT a mistake, that's by design. Again, they are not stupid, they know how to advertise. Festool isn't a new company.

High end niche companies don't market a 99$ items to entice people. Everyone that keeps saying that doesn't understand marketing.

Festool isn't going to try to become the largest tool maker in the country as many here have suggested. IMHO if they tried to it would be a HUGE mistake. They would have to come down to mid level pricing to become the largest. Why would they compete in that area when they own their market? If they wanted to become the largest they would just drop their tools in Home Depot, reduce their prices by 20% to 30%(having to lower the quality as well) and mass produce the heck out the them. No way are they going to dilute their name by doing that. Sell more items at less a profit to deal with far more clients in an area they aren't really experts in? At best they break even, at worst they collapse.

I see this tool more a reward for people in Festool already. The people stating that this  99.99 could of launched them into Festool and "maybe" they would spend more to jump in the brand may not be honest with themselves.  And Festool knows a 99 sander does not draw a person in to then buy 1500.00 miter saws or pieces of MDF on extrusions for 500.00.

No, Festool do as you are doing. Stay in your niche, make higher end tools at a larger profit margin while selling to the LEAST amount of people you can. Because we don't need nor will you make massive money getting into a war with DeWalt, Bosch, Milwaukee and Makita in that price range. I believe Festool knows this.

If Festool was to try to compete in the mid range market as the company is now with the tools they have or even to make a lesser line altogether they dilute the name. They are daft if they did that. Slow growth, stay near high end and have a nice sale every now and again. This has worked for them for years and years, no need to change now.

I tend to agree that this was not geared to enlarge the audience.  My guess is that the 125mm consumables may be trailing the 90mm and 150mm, and Festool is simply using the promotion as a loss leader to jump start sales of the 125mm abrasives.  At least personally for me, this had the desired effect.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Paul G on October 11, 2016, 10:46 AM
I tend to agree that this was not geared to enlarge the audience.  My guess is that the 125mm consumables may be trailing the 90mm and 150mm, and Festool is simply using the promotion as a loss leader to jump start sales of the 125mm abrasives.  At least personally for me, this had the desired effect.

Hey, I ordered a Pro 5, not a 125. When are they coming out with 5" abrasives? It would seem appropriate considering their push towards Imperial and the name of the new sander  [big grin]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: JimH2 on October 11, 2016, 10:56 AM
What a botched deal. They totally miscalculated this thing. Should have done a limited run at all dealers advertised for black friday or something like that. These things were snatched up by thousands in a couple days with very little ad press for exposure to new customers. A complete disaster. Also, really poor communication of what the $50 rebate was going to be too. First couple days we were told "voucher" then a rebate page gets created with absolutely no details. They will most definitely be learning from this. [blink]

Not so much a botched deal, but most likely hoarding by people from the FOG. The $50 sander and $50 towards another tool was incentive enough for people to buy them when they don't need them and/or buy multiples and then sell of the sander. The systainer is worth $69 and the voucher worth $50 effectively giving away sander for $-19 when it is worth at least $195. Considering they sold 25,000 through the existing channels it is unlikely they gained any new customers and much like those who use the deals/coupons on Groupon if they did they are one-time customers. It is more likely existing users bought multiples and I seriously doubt there are that many Festool users in the US.

To be clear I don't need one and never really considered buying one though the value did tempt me. I expect to see these on eBay as soon as they are delivered. I've been using Festool's products since the very early 2000's and I remember one Fall they ran a rebate program of $25 per tool purchased which was of more value to most, as the buyer could choose a tool or tools they need. I realize they run 10% off programs occasionally, but they are so narrowly focused they tend to be useless for those working in the trade.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cheese on October 11, 2016, 12:22 PM
For a couple of you non-believers out there...this is post 81 from Festool's own voice on the FOG.

This is a one-off promotion. I wouldn't get used to it.

I'm glad that many of you FOG folks are getting one (or seven  [wink]), but the main idea was to make it easier for people to try Festool for the first time.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: McNally Family on October 11, 2016, 02:12 PM
Just another reason why people pay extra for Festool - a sales rep answering customers questions on some forum after midnight. Try that on Makita forum ... oh wait, there is no Makita forum.

I'm just a sales rep to you guys?  [crying] [crying] [crying]

 [tongue]

To me, you're "The Man". That title to me trumps all other titles. Please; no Trump jokes guys. I don't want to tarnish Shane with that comparison.  [blink]

At least not until he has a chance to delete his emails......
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Svar on October 11, 2016, 02:20 PM
Just another reason why people pay extra for Festool - a sales rep answering customers questions on some forum after midnight. Try that on Makita forum ... oh wait, there is no Makita forum.

I'm just a sales rep to you guys?  [crying] [crying] [crying]

 [tongue]
Sorry, Shane... It sounded so much better in my head.
You are The Sales Grand Master and The Sheppard in the Festool Universe.   [not worthy] [not worthy] [not worthy]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: leakyroof on October 11, 2016, 04:09 PM
I tend to agree that this was not geared to enlarge the audience.  My guess is that the 125mm consumables may be trailing the 90mm and 150mm, and Festool is simply using the promotion as a loss leader to jump start sales of the 125mm abrasives.  At least personally for me, this had the desired effect.

Hey, I ordered a Pro 5, not a 125. When are they coming out with 5" abrasives? It would seem appropriate considering their push towards Imperial and the name of the new sander  [big grin]
  BOOM......... [jawdrop] [jawdrop] [jawdrop]   [dead horse]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: DoubleL on October 11, 2016, 05:53 PM
Interesting how I'm suddenly seeing a bunch of ETS 125s showing up on Craigslist and Ebay  :) :) :)
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: ewils91 on October 11, 2016, 06:42 PM
Interesting how I'm suddenly seeing a bunch of ETS 125s showing up on Craigslist and Ebay  :) :) :)

Not mine, I sold mine in person a few days ago...
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: antss on October 11, 2016, 06:48 PM
@Cheese  - you're still not going to be able to convince some people. [sad]

Sometimes fanboys just don't want to believe that they're not special in the eyes of the mother ship.  There's really not much of an incentive for a thank you present with this gear.  We're buying it like hotcakes now and trumpeting how good and wonderful it is to anyone who'll listen or watch a youtube episode. 

Besides, the German mentality is not one of warm fuzzy group hugs, let alone giving out tangible spiffs.  We've imported millions$ in custom millwork from a German co. for going on three decades and recently got back from an unveiling of new designs.  We did get a spiff this year though - first I can remember.  It was a plastic folding ruler about 10euro at retail.  And our supplier's supplier underwrote at least half the cost .

And it was all in metric. [tongue] [tongue] [tongue] [tongue]

I hope all those Pro5s actually deliver or a lot of people are going to be miffed they sold their old ones.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Brice Burrell on October 11, 2016, 07:27 PM
...I hope all those Pro5s actually deliver or a lot of people are going to be miffed they sold their old ones.
How did you think Festool was going to make money on this promotion, from all the guys that get burned and have to replace the ETS125 they sold. [tongue] [big grin]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: erock on October 11, 2016, 11:00 PM
  WOW !!!


I did NOT  read this WHOLE thread.....but I glanced through it enough to come to this conclusion.

In this one thread.......What I gathered was......

It's a great deal...... it's a botched deal....... someone is  gonna make money off this......and  @Shane Holland  is a stud...

Well, the only thing I can agree on is this.......Yes, it's a great deal.   And Yes......some guys may make some money off this.

And Shane is a guy that is.................on the FOG a lot !       [tongue]   [tongue]   [tongue]

Eric
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: antss on October 11, 2016, 11:19 PM
@Brice Burrell - that is classic .


Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: clark_fork on October 12, 2016, 10:44 AM
FOG has treated this Festool episode as a MBA case study with some very astute analysis that would do credit to the Harvard Business School marketing class.

I am surprised no one has attempted the Case Study Epilogue. It goes something like this..

It was a limited run and intended to be a limited run. Demand outran supply and the Company had to cap some bulk orders to re-allocate the limited supply. Some just did not make the cut since a "time-stamp" requirement was put on the ordering. All those who didn't get their sander, got the $50.00 voucher; both the bulk orderers and the single unit orderers.

The company started up the sander production again at a regular price and in a regular gray systainer. The sander proved to be a winner over time with most users.

Years later, when various contributors to You Tube did their show-and-tell, a blue box would show up in the background among the stacks of gray in tribute to this famous episode.

The Company went on to new promotions, among which was the Gender Out-Reach Initiative. (GORI). Here they came out with a light-weight cordless drill named the "Lady Pro-XYZ" at $99.00 and shipped in a special edition pink systainer. This promotion was eminently successful and was copied by other manufactures. Festool won all sorts of awards for breaking the gender barrier for tools. Festool went on to offer a full line of systainers in pink. They never issued another tool in a blue systainer.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: jobsworth on October 12, 2016, 11:13 AM
Pink systainers"..

Don't let Gary Martin or Copcarcollector find out they'd by the lot of them
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cheese on October 12, 2016, 12:22 PM
Years later, when various contributors to You Tube did their show-and-tell, a blue box would show up in the background among the stacks of gray in tribute to this famous episode.

Funny... [thumbs up]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Paul G on October 12, 2016, 01:32 PM
I tend to agree that this was not geared to enlarge the audience.  My guess is that the 125mm consumables may be trailing the 90mm and 150mm, and Festool is simply using the promotion as a loss leader to jump start sales of the 125mm abrasives.  At least personally for me, this had the desired effect.

Hey, I ordered a Pro 5, not a 125. When are they coming out with 5" abrasives? It would seem appropriate considering their push towards Imperial and the name of the new sander  [big grin]
  BOOM......... [jawdrop] [jawdrop] [jawdrop]   [dead horse]

Imperial sanding, who woulda thunk it. Rotex 5 is next  [big grin]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: HarveyWildes on October 12, 2016, 09:17 PM
So a few calculations later, I derived the following.

A metric 125 mm sanding disk has a surface area of ~12272 mm2.
An imperial 5" sanding disk has a surface area of ~12668 mm2, roughly 3% larger.

Let's say that you are using Granat 125 mm disks @$57.00/hundred.  At a 3% premium, the 5" disks (if they were available) would run $58.71, but since this is Festool, let's round up to $59.00.  Now let's say that it takes 33 hours of sanding (time the sander is actually running) to use up 100 125 mm disks.   If you switch to 5" disks and save 3% of your time due to sanding, that's roughly an hour.  However, since the sander is probably not 100% on the work piece all of the time, let's be conservative and reduce the savings to 1/2 hour over the 100 disk box.  So you've saved 1/2 hour of your hourly rate, less taxes, for a $2.00 investment.  That's a pretty good return all in all.

Now let's assume that Festool assumes your hourly rate is $30.00 (conservative, I hope), meaning that a price of $59.00 for the 5" disks leaves an extra $13.00 in your pocket.  Why shouldn't Festool be more amply rewarded for this good deed, say by charging $67.00 for the 100 pack instead of $59.00.  You still get $5.00, Festool gets an extra $8.00, everyone wins.

Thus demonstrating that Festool should, in fact, provide 5" disks.

Yes I did have more important things to do for the last 15 minutes, but this was just too much fun.  Sigh.

Whoops - I had to modify this post to correct some math.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: McNally Family on October 12, 2016, 09:23 PM
So a few calculations later, I derived the following.

A metric 125 mm sanding disk has a surface area of ~12272 mm2.
An imperial 5" sanding disk has a surface area of ~12668 mm2, roughly 3% larger.

Let's say that you are using Granat 125 mm disks @$57.00/hundred.  At a 3% premium, the 5" disks (if they were available) would run $58.71, but since this is Festool, let's round up to $59.00.  Now let's say that it takes 33 hours of sanding (time the sander is actually running) to use up 100 125 mm disks.   If you switch to 5" disks and save 3% of your time due to sanding, that's roughly an hour.  However, since the sander is probably not 100% on the work piece all of the time, let's be conservative and reduce the savings to 1/2 hour over the 100 disk box.  So you've saved 1/2 hour of your hourly rate, less taxes, for a $2.00 investment.  That's a pretty good return all in all.

Now let's assume that Festool assumes your hourly rate is $30.00 (conservative, I hope), meaning that a price of $59.00 for the 5" disks leaves an extra $15.00 in your pocket.  Why shouldn't Festool be more amply rewarded for this good deed, say by charging $67.00 for the 100 pack instead of $59.00.  You still get $7.00, Festool gets an extra $8.00, everyone wins.

Thus demonstrating that Festool should, in fact, provide 5" disks.

Yes I did have more important things to do for the last 15 minutes.  Sigh.


I was told that there would be no math.....
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Kodi Crescent on October 12, 2016, 09:51 PM
I tend to agree that this was not geared to enlarge the audience.  My guess is that the 125mm consumables may be trailing the 90mm and 150mm, and Festool is simply using the promotion as a loss leader to jump start sales of the 125mm abrasives.  At least personally for me, this had the desired effect.

I think this is a very astute analysis.  Make that 125 mm line move more, or else kill it.  Great comment!
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: antss on October 12, 2016, 09:53 PM
Harvard MBAs prob. dreamed up this boondoggle. 

The Wharton guys will fix though. 8)

If a navy SYS is seen in the backgroud of youtuber's future unboxing video it could also be a FOG edition too.  Bonus points if you have both in there.  Maybe we should have a "Where's Waldo" type contest to see who can spot those boxes.

GORI is prob. not a winning campaign- Sounds awful, like McRib.  :o

I'm pretty certain that if your labor rate is $30/hr you ain't going to be buyin no stinkin Festools anyway.  So maybe a revisit is in order on the math problem.


See Cheese - the non believers are still out there !
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: HarveyWildes on October 12, 2016, 09:57 PM

...
I'm pretty certain that if your labor rate is $30/hr you ain't going to be buyin no stinkin Festools anyway.  So maybe a revisit is in order on the math problem.

I was just trying to be conservative :)
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: antss on October 12, 2016, 10:02 PM
I'm not sure $60/hr affords much blue and green either.  But, I understand your pitch.

However there is no way festool is going to manuf. or stock an imperial sized paper.  None.  The SKUs alone would be bothersome enough for them.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Paul G on October 12, 2016, 10:18 PM

GORI is prob. not a winning campaign- Sounds awful, like McRib.  :o


Everyone's dissin the McRib LOL
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Paul G on October 12, 2016, 10:19 PM
So a few calculations later, I derived the following.

A metric 125 mm sanding disk has a surface area of ~12272 mm2.
An imperial 5" sanding disk has a surface area of ~12668 mm2, roughly 3% larger.

Let's say that you are using Granat 125 mm disks @$57.00/hundred.  At a 3% premium, the 5" disks (if they were available) would run $58.71, but since this is Festool, let's round up to $59.00.  Now let's say that it takes 33 hours of sanding (time the sander is actually running) to use up 100 125 mm disks.   If you switch to 5" disks and save 3% of your time due to sanding, that's roughly an hour.  However, since the sander is probably not 100% on the work piece all of the time, let's be conservative and reduce the savings to 1/2 hour over the 100 disk box.  So you've saved 1/2 hour of your hourly rate, less taxes, for a $2.00 investment.  That's a pretty good return all in all.

Now let's assume that Festool assumes your hourly rate is $30.00 (conservative, I hope), meaning that a price of $59.00 for the 5" disks leaves an extra $13.00 in your pocket.  Why shouldn't Festool be more amply rewarded for this good deed, say by charging $67.00 for the 100 pack instead of $59.00.  You still get $5.00, Festool gets an extra $8.00, everyone wins.

Thus demonstrating that Festool should, in fact, provide 5" disks.

Yes I did have more important things to do for the last 15 minutes, but this was just too much fun.  Sigh.

Whoops - I had to modify this post to correct some math.

I shoulda read this before hitting the wine bottle  [eek] [big grin]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cheese on October 12, 2016, 10:33 PM
However there is no way festool is going to manuf. or stock an imperial sized paper.  None.  The SKUs alone would be bothersome enough for them.

Point well taken, Festool corporate said that they would not be able to stock both imperial & metric tools because of the burden on the system, and they were referring to only 6-8 tools that were on the imperial/metric cusp. Think about 18 different Granat and 8 different Rubin papers...that would cause a major meltdown on their part. They'd never recover, they'd be in an endless do-loop.

When all else fails...please refer to post 81.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: antss on October 12, 2016, 10:44 PM
The imperial / metric tool stocking argument seems a bit disingenuous to me.  Festool already make and stock metric all over the world and here too.  Keep a few of the metric in stock for those that want that in NA.  If stock is out , offer the customer the tool when the next container comes in for the same price. 

"Great customer service " seems more a slogan than a reality if you are charging me an additional fee to serve me  :o :o :o :o 
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cheese on October 12, 2016, 11:41 PM
The imperial / metric tool stocking argument seems a bit disingenuous to me.

"Great customer service " seems more a slogan than a reality if you are charging me an additional fee to serve me.

Well to you, it maybe a bit disingenuous ...but to the rest of the world it simply seems........ridiculous.  [big grin]
So, how is this German manufacturer of notable tools able to design and develop cutting edge tools and accessories with multiple voltages and frequencies from around the world, and they do it on a continuing basis, every day, in multiple languages, and with the blessing of multiple regulatory agencies yet they are somehow unable to manage the inventory of 6-8 tools in the US that have...either imperial or metric markings.
Lame...very lame..Believe what you will, but this explanation rings hollow.



Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: antss on October 13, 2016, 12:06 AM
@Cheese - I think you misunderstand me, or more likely I wasn't clear.

I feel Festool should have Metric tools available here for NO ADDITIONAL cost.  I can can understand having to perhaps wait if an item is out of stock because management wasn't able to correctly forecast demand.   But charging me xtra for something that already exists just rubs me the wrong way.  Especially when you have your bagmen telling me one of the  selling points is great customer service.

Unless the whole range is going imperial it a half baked idea.  Meaning your saws will have to go to inch diameters.  Same with sanding pads.  The MFT and CMS need to be adjusted to lengths in whole inches.  Same with the guide rails. And how about all those template guide for the routers. Selling a lot of 17 and 24mm O.D. template guides are you ???  Better start offering a 7/16" and 5/7  O.D. version so they can be used with Leigh jigs.  And I suppose you're going to offer an LR 1&1/4 with a 1/4" bit for all those 'Merican cabinet spacing we're gonna build with those inch scaled TS55's LR 1.25's and you darn well better start making some 1/4", 7/16", 1/2" , ect.. cutters and dominos for those machines as well.

Maybe it's not even half baked. It's still more like runny batter.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Svar on October 13, 2016, 12:17 AM
I'm not sure $60/hr affords much blue and green either.
Come on, don't be a snob.  [poke]
How many tradesmen make $125K a year?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cheese on October 13, 2016, 01:09 AM
@Cheese - I think you misunderstand me, or more likely I wasn't clear.

 Naw...I'm in your court...I think you probably missed the whole imperial vs metric tools for the USA discussion a few months ago...

I still have a migraine from it.

I won't get into it in depth here, but suffice to say... it was the most macabre rationalization for selling track saws and routers with imperial scales that can only be adjusted in metric increments. From Festool's position, that's the number 1 method they can use to increase market share in the USA and thus, USA craftsmen will purchase a Festool saw that costs 5 times the average price of a traditional side winder... because it has an imperial scale.. [eek] [eek] [eek]

Well from a global perspective...Festool...you blinked at the wrong time.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: jimbo51 on October 13, 2016, 07:57 AM
selling track saws and routers with imperial scales that can only be adjusted in metric increments

Do you think that this might bother some people? You can be looking at the imperial scale, but you can only adjust to an exact imperial measurement using the fine adjust mechanism.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: antss on October 13, 2016, 08:15 AM
Bother people Jimbo?  It's stupid. And clearly looks like a marketing ploy based on cheese's recap of the discussion.

Sorry I missed the discussion - maybe I'll go back and read it.  Or not , thAnks for the warning @Cheese .

@Svar - not being snobbish. If you're not charging $60+ /hr. for your services or labor burden - then how in the world are you justifying spending festool $$$ on a tool ? Your capital expenditures are way out of line based on your revenue. Other tools will do the same job more economically.  And don't give me all the efficiency , dust collection , longevity bs.  If true , you'd have lots xtra time to go get more business and increase gross revenue .  Craftsmen tend not to be well versed in business administration. That's not a slight, just an observation.

Look at all the mechanics indebted to Matco and SnapOn.  I'm not talking about the lifers, I'm talking newbies that'll be outa the trade in 5-6 years and don't need a tool box or ratchet that will last 25 years but spent that money when it could have been better spent on their family or education.  Now I still value free choice , so buy what you want and can afford. But , a poor financial decision is still poor no matter how good it makes you feel or boosts you image to friends and colleagues.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Peter Halle on October 13, 2016, 08:58 AM
Shane made an excellent suggestion earlier in either this sander thread or another - which was about taking discusses about the metric to the appropriate thread.  This could even be expanded to a more broad request to keep this topic on topic and talking about the Pro 5.

Please.

Peter
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Christopher Fitch on October 13, 2016, 01:08 PM
Apologies is this was already asked/answered:
- If you successfully placed an order for the Pro 5 sander before sales were suspended, are you guaranteed of receiving your order?

Thanks!
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 13, 2016, 01:15 PM
If you successfully placed an order for the Pro 5 sander before sales were suspended, are you guaranteed of receiving your order?

@Christopher Fitch, Festool has asked all dealers to suspend taking orders as of 10/7. We had submitted our order with Festool prior to the communication asking that orders be suspended. We ordered more than enough inventory to cover all pre-orders. That is all of the information we have at this time. Festool had said they would start shipping these to dealers on Monday, 10/17, in preparation for the official November 1st release date.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Kodi Crescent on October 13, 2016, 08:40 PM
selling track saws and routers with imperial scales that can only be adjusted in metric increments

Do you think that this might bother some people? You can be looking at the imperial scale, but you can only adjust to an exact imperial measurement using the fine adjust mechanism.

Uh, Jimbo....ahahhahahahahahahhahha!  It is ridiculous, isn't it?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: SRSemenza on October 13, 2016, 11:37 PM
Lets try keeping this Sales and Dealer Sander Promotion topic on track from this point forward.

Thanks,

  Seth
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: antss on October 15, 2016, 06:55 AM
Shane - when are you going to have a video up of the new sander(s) ?   [poke]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cheese on October 18, 2016, 02:53 AM
Update from ToolNut:
You may have heard that Festool has asked all of their dealers to suspend taking additional orders for the PRO 5 effective Friday, October 7th.

We have received numerous emails and phone call asking when Festool will ship these sanders. Please rest assured, we have ordered more than enough to satisfy all orders placed with us and orders will be processed in the order they were received.

We will keep you informed if any additional information is provided by Festool that may affect your order. You can also find answers to some common questions on our website, which we will keep up-to-update.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: antss on October 18, 2016, 10:16 PM
@Cheese - Shane told us that 4-5 days ago right here .
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cheese on October 18, 2016, 11:15 PM
@Cheese - Shane told us that 4-5 days ago right here .

Whoops...thanks for the heads-up...I certainly spaced that FOG announcement out, I just received an email yesterday and wanted to pass along the info.  [tongue]...never mind...
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: TSO Products on October 20, 2016, 08:56 PM
Shane:
when FESTOOL says "suspend taking orders" does that mean the remaining days of the original promotion will be reopened for ordering ? - or does it mean FESTOOL backed out of of the original promotion and changed the date with no notice to customers?

Hans
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 20, 2016, 09:00 PM
when FESTOOL says "suspend taking orders" does that mean the remaining days of the original promotion will be reopened for ordering ? - or does it mean FESTOOL backed out of of the original promotion and changed the date with no notice to customers?

@TSO Products, it's unclear at this point whether this is a temporary freeze or the end of the promotion. There's been no official statement for the reason for the suspension. There was no "date" to back out of. This was a "while supplies last" promotion.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: antss on October 20, 2016, 09:15 PM
thought you said the suspension was voluntary ?

Suppose adhering to it keeps you from becoming a Seinfeld episode:  "you can take the pre-order, but you can't deliver the pre-order ................."
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cheese on October 21, 2016, 01:14 AM
This was a "while supplies last" promotion.

Just curious @Shane Holland if you've received in-house any Pro 5 sanders yet. I read somewhere that Festool was expecting to ship product to their dealers the 2-3rd week of October to ensure the dealers would be able to ship product to customers on the first of November. 
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 21, 2016, 01:41 AM
@Cheese, We have not received them yet.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cheese on October 21, 2016, 01:45 AM
@Cheese, We have not received them yet.

Thanks for the update Shane. [smile]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: antss on October 21, 2016, 07:24 PM
Are we there yet ?

Are we there yet ? [big grin]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Xoncention on October 21, 2016, 07:42 PM
Are we there yet ?

Are we there yet ? [big grin]

Almost, son; now look out the window and I want you to tell me how many flying pigs you can see... :-X
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: dmick on October 23, 2016, 09:14 PM
I got word last Friday that some blue systainers would be delivered on Monday 24th. So it looks like Festool will be able to meet the initial dates to dealer they were hoping for! Good sign for Pro 5 wanna be owners, lol.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cheese on October 24, 2016, 01:30 AM
Hmm...interesting that we have Pro 5 product sightings from 2 sources even though one of those acknowledged sightings has been removed. According to Woodcraft and Toolnut, they are unaware of any Pro 5 sightings.

The time is drawing near, the ship date is almost here, this should prove to be interesting.  [popcorn] [popcorn]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 24, 2016, 03:14 PM
Everyone,

We have been notified by Festool that, due to overwhelming demand, we will not be receiving all PRO 5 sanders by the Nov 1st ship date.  But don't sweat!  Your sander is on the way, but at this time we do not have an ETA.  We will immediately communicate additional shipment ETA's in the coming days and weeks as we receive updates. Please note that this inventory shortage affects all Festool dealers, not just The Tool Nut.
 
As we receive additional inventory, orders will ship in the order they were received.
 
For those whose orders are affected, please accept our apologies for the delay with your Festool PRO 5 sander order. We will continue to keep you up-to-date with the latest information.

I will be sending an email with this statement to any of our customers who have orders that will be delayed. If you do not receive this email and you ordered from us, your order is scheduled to be shipped on November 1st.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: waterloomarc on October 24, 2016, 03:18 PM
Down with Tool-Nut! String them up!!

Nah, just kidding! Thanks for keeping us updated Shane, I'm sure we all appreciate it.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: clark_fork on October 24, 2016, 03:31 PM
Shane:

I ordered the new 400 at the same time. Is that going to be delayed also? I intended to use the $50.00 rebate against the 400 but now if it ships on November 1, it may be interpreted as a prior purchase. 

 
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 24, 2016, 03:40 PM
I ordered the new 400 at the same time. Is that going to be delayed also? I intended to use the $50.00 rebate against the 400 but now if it ships on November 1, it may be interpreted as a prior purchase.

There's nothing to indicate a delay on anything other than the PRO 5 sander. So the RTS 400 REQ and DTS 400 REQ should be shipping on schedule. Per the terms of the voucher, it's good on any power tool purchase from 11/1/16 - 12/31/17, so you should be fine. @TylerC can confirm.

Shane
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: TylerC on October 24, 2016, 04:29 PM
I ordered the new 400 at the same time. Is that going to be delayed also? I intended to use the $50.00 rebate against the 400 but now if it ships on November 1, it may be interpreted as a prior purchase.

There's nothing to indicate a delay on anything other than the PRO 5 sander. So the RTS 400 REQ and DTS 400 REQ should be shipping on schedule. Per the terms of the voucher, it's good on any power tool purchase from 11/1/16 - 12/31/17, so you should be fine. @TylerC can confirm.

Shane

Shane is correct. The new RTS and DTS sanders will ship on time and shouldn't affect anything with the rebate.

I wouldn't sweat the date of the second tool purchase too much. If anyone runs into any issues as they try to submit their info, please contact me directly. As long as you're not clearly trying to game the system, you'll probably be fine.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: HarveyWildes on October 24, 2016, 05:14 PM
Any indication yet whether more will be made available?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 24, 2016, 05:20 PM
Any indication yet whether more will be made available?

If you're asking for those who did not order before Festool suspended sales, I don't think that's clear at this point. I think the priority is to fulfill pre-orders first.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: jblair on October 24, 2016, 05:58 PM
I will be sending an email with this statement to any of our customers who have orders that will be delayed. If you do not receive this email and you ordered from us, your order is scheduled to be shipped on November 1st.

For reference, my order was placed at 10/5 at 10:42 AM and I received a "Your order is delayed" email. I'm guessing this should have been capped at one per customer if orders couldn't survive 24 hours from when the email was sent.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 24, 2016, 06:09 PM
I'm guessing this should have been capped at one per customer if orders couldn't survive 24 hours from when the email was sent.

I've seen this mentioned multiple times in this thread and I've not said anything because I can't speak about the promotion as a whole, but... From our orders, there was not an issue with customers ordering in bulk, or even more than one. Sure, there were some people who ordered two, but that was very much a small percentage of orders. The number who ordered more than 2 was almost nonexistent.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: wood wiz on October 24, 2016, 06:31 PM
Like others, I ordered early morning on 10/5.

I truly appreciate the update but am not too happy with the delay especially given the fact my order was made early on in the promo. I paid with PayPal instead of CC. With that being the case my card was charged on the 5th when I ordered. Paying via PP was my choice at the time of purchase but that choice was made with a promise of an 11/1 ship date. Now with the update I don't even have any real information on my order other than it is delayed.

I realize that this whole situation is out of Tool Nut control.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: TylerC on October 24, 2016, 06:36 PM
Any indication yet whether more will be made available?

This hasn't been decided yet. We're certainly hoping so.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: ChrisK1970 on October 24, 2016, 08:11 PM
And yet, like a true glutton, I will continue to purchase :) I mean seriously....what's the choice?!?!!?!?!??!?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: antss on October 24, 2016, 08:45 PM
hmmmmm, wonder if we'll see delivery slots for pro5s from ToolNut & others auctioned or sold or traded to those that didn't order in the first few hours ?

Kinda reminds me of the Cabbage Patch doll craze a few decades ago.

Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Quikenuff on October 24, 2016, 09:35 PM
For Reference, I got the delay email from Toolnut.  Order was placed 10/4  9:51 pm EST.  Less than 12 hours after Shane's announcement.  It'll get here, when it gets here. Just as long as it does in fact get here . [tongue]

Quik
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: jblair on October 24, 2016, 11:33 PM
I'm guessing this should have been capped at one per customer if orders couldn't survive 24 hours from when the email was sent.

I've seen this mentioned multiple times in this thread and I've not said anything because I can't speak about the promotion as a whole, but... From our orders, there was not an issue with customers ordering in bulk, or even more than one. Sure, there were some people who ordered two, but that was very much a small percentage of orders. The number who ordered more than 2 was almost nonexistent.

Thanks Shane. Assuming you are a representative sample of all sources, if people at less than 12 hours are getting delays, Festool seriously underestimated the demand on this promotion. I appreciate that it's not your fault and you don't have more information to give us, but boy howdy what a disappointment.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: McNally Family on October 25, 2016, 04:25 AM
Everyone,

We have been notified by Festool that, due to overwhelming demand, we will not be receiving all PRO 5 sanders by the Nov 1st ship date.  But don't sweat!  Your sander is on the way, but at this time we do not have an ETA.  We will immediately communicate additional shipment ETA's in the coming days and weeks as we receive updates. Please note that this inventory shortage affects all Festool dealers, not just The Tool Nut.
 
As we receive additional inventory, orders will ship in the order they were received.
 
For those whose orders are affected, please accept our apologies for the delay with your Festool PRO 5 sander order. We will continue to keep you up-to-date with the latest information.

I will be sending an email with this statement to any of our customers who have orders that will be delayed. If you do not receive this email and you ordered from us, your order is scheduled to be shipped on November 1st.


You have to give it to Festool.....clearly they are committed to make sure everyone who placed an order will receive the sander.  Perhaps (due to overwhelming demand), it will come a little late, but it will come.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: rizzoa13 on October 25, 2016, 06:26 AM
I mean not really we are paying customers this isn't like it was a free promotion. The whole idea of it was to entice new customers to their brand, don't treat it like they're doing us a favor (sure it works out that way for us).
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: McNally Family on October 25, 2016, 07:02 AM
I mean not really we are paying customers this isn't like it was a free promotion. The whole idea of it was to entice new customers to their brand, don't treat it like they're doing us a favor (sure it works out that way for us).

@rizzoa13
I didn't mean to imply they were doing us a favor, more that they are doing the right thing, which should be expected.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Steve-Rice on October 25, 2016, 08:42 AM
I know this will never happen, but I'd be very curious to know what volumn Festool was prepared for and how many orders they received when they stopped accepting new orders. 

Another interesting statistic we'll never know is how many orders were placed by those of us already invested in Festool products vs. orders placed by first time Festool buyers. 

I'm wondering if there are really a lot of people out there who are genuinely interested in Festool, but cannot justify the price.

Just curious...
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: antss on October 25, 2016, 09:59 AM
Based on some of the replies around here I think they were gobbled up by by current users of Festool on the order of 80 / 20 .
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 25, 2016, 10:10 AM
Based on some of the replies around here I think they were gobbled up by by current users of Festool on the order of 80 / 20 .

Posts on the FOG are not a good sample set... this is the FESTOOL owners group forum after all.  [big grin] I suspect Festool was successful in reaching a good number of new buyers. The shipping delays could undermine the goal of the promotion for some.

Festool never wants to alienate its current customers with a promotion. If this had been for new customers only, two things would have happened. 1) Many current customers would be mad. 2) Many current customers would game the system by creating aliases or using their wife's, friend's, family member's, or dog's name and email address. [blink]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Carquest on October 25, 2016, 10:32 AM
My dogs have cell phones and e-mail, your's don't??? [laughing] [laughing] [laughing]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Wooden Skye on October 25, 2016, 11:14 AM
My dogs have cell phones and e-mail, your's don't??? [laughing] [laughing] [laughing]

I had to take my labs cell phone away, he was getting to distracted playing Pokemon on our walks.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Runhard on October 25, 2016, 11:54 AM
For Reference, I got the delay email from Toolnut.  Order was placed 10/4  9:51 pm EST.  Less than 12 hours after Shane's announcement.  It'll get here, when it gets here. Just as long as it does in fact get here . [tongue]

Quik

I ordered mine within 5hrs of the notification and I received the email saying that my order is delayed. I also just read a topic from Bob Marino that Festool (at this time) will not be shipping the original amounts order by dealers. http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-sales-dealer-area/festool-pro-5-limited-sander-promotion-where-are-we/msg481543/#msg481543

Maybe I shouldn't have ordered the abrasives for the sander [oops]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: jmhockey23 on October 25, 2016, 12:00 PM
For Reference, I got the delay email from Toolnut.  Order was placed 10/4  9:51 pm EST.  Less than 12 hours after Shane's announcement.  It'll get here, when it gets here. Just as long as it does in fact get here . [tongue]

Quik

I ordered mine within 5hrs of the notification and I received the email saying that my order is delayed. I also just read a topic from Bob Marino that Festool (at this time) will not be shipping the original amounts order by dealers. http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-sales-dealer-area/festool-pro-5-limited-sander-promotion-where-are-we/msg481543/#msg481543

Maybe I shouldn't have ordered the abrasives for the sander [oops]

I also ordered within hours and facing a delay. Was hard enough waiting for Nov 1st.  [sad]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: LJD on October 25, 2016, 02:01 PM
And for those of us in the Uk...... [sad]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: hawkeyestoob on October 25, 2016, 02:33 PM
And for those of us in the Uk...... [sad]

This is what you get for Brexit!  [big grin]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Rustys on October 25, 2016, 07:24 PM
When I saw the email, I went right to site and purchased. I missed a Woodpecker lift by waiting and I wasn't going to let it happen again. I figured, buy now, ask questions later. Then I went to FOG and looked for any comments and there was nothing. Seems like it wasn’t until way later or the next day I started to read about it. So maybe I may be on the wait list but I haven't seen my email.

I fall in a bit different camp, just starting out with my Festool collection and was contemplating on purchasing this type of sander. For me it’s a win win, new sander and I can spend voucher on something else. The promotion has already worked, I spent money with Tool Nut on sand paper and new pad. Festool will make their money back.

Russ
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: hawkeyestoob on October 25, 2016, 10:01 PM
When I saw the email, I went right to site and purchased. I missed a Woodpecker lift by waiting and I wasn't going to let it happen again. I figured, buy now, ask questions later. Then I went to FOG and looked for any comments and there was nothing. Seems like it wasn’t until way later or the next day I started to read about it. So maybe I may be on the wait list but I haven't seen my email.

I fall in a bit different camp, just starting out with my Festool collection and was contemplating on purchasing this type of sander. For me it’s a win win, new sander and I can spend voucher on something else. The promotion has already worked, I spent money with Tool Nut on sand paper and new pad. Festool will make their money back.

Russ

That is almost the exact situation I am in here. I have a lightly used Domino that I picked up a couple of months ago but have been wanting to start picking up some other Festool as the need came along. This promotion will most definitely accelerate that process for me.

Like it or not Festool has managed to create a huge buzz within the woodworking community with this promotion and I feel like they have hit their target market right on the head. When was the last time that you saw any manufacturer at any price point consistently stay at the top of virtually every related forum out there for weeks and weeks?  I know I can't remember anything like this.

The pros that use Festool on a day to day basis are already purchasing their products and consumables at a relatively good rate. The money for them now is at the high end of the DIY / amateur WWer spectrum. Those of us for whom high end tools are a "nice to have" and not a need to have to make a living. I most likely would have picked up one or maybe two additional Festool items in the next 12-18 months, most likely a dust extractor. But with the rebate that timeline is probably going to be reduced to almost immediately on a dust extractor and very likely will include an additional item or two that would not have been originally considered.

Like many of you I got the email and will have to wait for a bit longer then I had anticipated but that's going to be OK with me.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Steve-Rice on October 25, 2016, 10:11 PM
I wonder what we'll all talk about after all the Pro 5's have been delivered?

At this point, it will almost be a let down after all the suspense and guessing is over...

Maybe someone will start a new thread entitled "How did you use your Pro 5 sander today"... [big grin]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: antss on October 25, 2016, 10:23 PM
I think the high end diy'er and hobbyist are already a large part of the Festool customer base.  Just take a look at the number of 'tuber videos that are made by non professionals.

The PRO5 moniker also suggests they were not after the hobbyist.

I'm guessing the "deal" talk will continue for a while because I suspect many will be waiting a while to have the orig. order fulfilled.   I also wouldn't be surprised to see some winding up for sale on the secondary market before all orig. purchasers have their orders filled.

That's going to be a lively discussion if it happens.  [popcorn]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Gordon Bombay on October 26, 2016, 07:57 AM
I also received the notice about the delay. Would be a nice gesture for a $25 additional voucher for inconvenience?

(Though it would then be interesting To see those whose orders weren't delayed complain that they didn't get the voucher)  [big grin]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: JHZR2 on October 26, 2016, 08:02 AM
I placed an order yesterday at a vendor that thought they had X units allocated.   Yesterday afternoon they were apparently notified that they had Y units allocated, and I was a name or two below the cut line.  I'm curious to see what comes of it. 

I am a newbie, and the deal enticed me in a way to start buying this brand.  I now have three festool items, but this would have been four, and also given a voucher for the fifth.  That's a big deal.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: dward on October 26, 2016, 09:52 AM
Did any dealers on here order extra? I would very much like to have one but I was on vacation that week and missed the notifications of the sale in my email.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: antss on October 26, 2016, 08:12 PM
dward - I think it's a bit more complex than that now. 

Shane hinted that they'd ordered more than enough ( or so he'd thought) to cover the orders they'd got before the moratorium - and then some. But.............................

Just this week , notices went out that even some of those that were in line before the halt are going to have to wait because of re-allocation among other dealers by Festool.

So, while it's possible some place is going to have a windfall arrive at their shop ,compared to pre-orders, I doubt it's many.  I'd also suspect they are mom and pop type shops opposed to those that have web sales.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cochese on October 26, 2016, 10:44 PM
Well, some bad little boy broke street date.  [eek]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BMCe76iDKIv/
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: joiner1970 on October 27, 2016, 02:41 AM
Well, some bad little boy broke street date.  [eek]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BMCe76iDKIv/
I see he's saying they have a few at his dealer.

Sent from my ALE-L21 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: JD2720 on October 27, 2016, 07:21 AM
Got a new Poplar Woodworking magazine yesterday. There is a full page back cove ad on the $99 5 Pro Sander.
There will be a lot of surprised people that try to get the sander based on the ads PWW & other WW magazines only to discover they are already all gone.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Steve-Rice on October 27, 2016, 07:37 AM
I love the colors of that black and green systainer.  I think Festool should switch to that color scheme for all their systainers.  The downside is: I'll want to switch all my old systainers.... :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Brice Burrell on October 27, 2016, 08:21 AM
I love the colors of that black and green systainer.  I think Festool should switch to that color scheme for all their systainers.  The downside is: I'll want to switch all my old systainers.... :'( :'( :'(

Funny, I really dislike the black and green Systainer.  It's mostly the green handle.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Dovetail65 on October 27, 2016, 08:58 AM
Prefer the dark systainer by a huge margin. I guess I am the only one that actually get these things dirty. My sytainers look like crap after a week. The dark ones are going to look good forever.

I thought they were dark blue, but I know one guy that already has one and he swears it's black, I guess we will see. I know a lot of guys cant see colors well, but even that Instagram picture sure makes it look black.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Carquest on October 27, 2016, 10:07 AM
I'm with you, mine are dust and dirt colored after a week or two...... :)
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: waterloomarc on October 27, 2016, 10:11 AM
Mine get dirty too but I feel like the lighter ones hide the dirt better than the black. Doesn't Festool claim their tools are blue too? It all looks black to me.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Michael Kellough on October 27, 2016, 10:48 AM
I'm with you, mine are dust and dirt colored after a week or two...... :)

Wait and see. I have some anthracite color Systainers and they show dust like crazy! The Pro % box is even darker color so I expect it to be even worse. The plastic holds static and dust accumulates in patterns. I'll try wiping the boxes with a fabric softeners sheet.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: HarveyWildes on October 27, 2016, 10:53 AM
Got a new Poplar Woodworking magazine yesterday. There is a full page back cove ad on the $99 5 Pro Sander.
There will be a lot of surprised people that try to get the sander based on the ads PWW & other WW magazines only to discover they are already all gone.

Are there dates on the ad?  It's one thing to run a limited promotion, and another to advertise nationally based on price.  I would think that Festool is committed to selling at that price to anyone who orders within whatever dates are on the ad.

I may run out and get a Popular Woodworking just for that ad.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: SRSemenza on October 27, 2016, 11:24 AM
The tools and the limited systainers are technically a dark blue  (or blue / black) but in most light (if not all light?) they look black. Though to me, the systainers in particular do truly look black. I have noticed that a scratch or scrape will reveal some blue color.

Here is a recent topic on the colors ....... Festool Colors. (http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/what-colour-is-a-festool-product/)


Seth
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: jimbo51 on October 27, 2016, 11:47 AM
I am not sure that Festool covered themselves just by saying limited quantities available when the promotion was halted before the magazine ad even appeared. I could argue that this looks just like a bait and switch promotion, where the advertised item is no longer available but a higher priced item can be bought instead. I am sure that this was not intended, but Festool may have a hard time limiting the promotion to sanders already ordered.

I am still having trouble understanding why Festool did not see how this was going to turn out. "Hey, let's practically give away this sander. Do you think we will get much interest?" Didn't anybody in the US organization raise their hand and say, "Orders are going to explode. We better have a big load of sanders available."

Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Steve-Rice on October 27, 2016, 11:48 AM
The guy who posted the instagram photo and actually has the thing in his hands, said the systainer is black.  I know we were told the systainer would be blue.  Either way, it looks great to me!
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: JCLP on October 27, 2016, 11:54 AM
The guy who posted the instagram photo and actually has the thing in his hands, said the systainer is black.  I know we were told the systainer would be blue.  Either way, it looks great to me!

It is blue. Saw them yesterday at our dealer.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: meeker on October 27, 2016, 12:01 PM
Sorry if I missed this, but how will the voucher work? It seems I can order on Nov 1 and get a rebate when the sander arrives, is that right?  Before I saw the promo I was about to buy a TS 55 REQ and extractor. I saw the  promo and thought I could wait a few weeks, since I don't have a project going currently. Now I am wondering if this is going to be a few more weeks or even longer. (I also got the toolnut email, so was not early enough in jumping on the deal to get the first batch). I must admit I am a bit disappointed,  as this is my first festool purchase, but it's nothing to get wound up about in the grand scheme of things.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cochese on October 27, 2016, 12:02 PM
I wish if some dealers are starting to sell/ship early, that Festool would just drop the pretense and allow everyone to go ahead.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cheese on October 27, 2016, 12:06 PM
If you compare the tool and the systainer, they appear to be the same color. Now compare the tool to the plastic insert and to the new vacuum hose connection, there is a slight difference in color.

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Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: clark_fork on October 27, 2016, 12:12 PM
I am not sure that Festool covered themselves just by saying limited quantities available when the promotion was halted before the magazine ad even appeared. I could argue that this looks just like a bait and switch promotion, where the advertised item is no longer available but a higher priced item can be bought instead. I am sure that this was not intended, but Festool may have a hard time limiting the promotion to sanders already ordered.

I am still having trouble understanding why Festool did not see how this was going to turn out. "Hey, let's practically give away this sander. Do you think we will get much interest?" Didn't anybody in the US organization raise their hand and say, "Orders are going to explode. We better have a big load of sanders available."

Too soon to tell. My dealer (very small with limited inventory in Montana)  told me the promotion started November 1 and they seemed ready to fulfill orders.  Now the ads appear.  It looks like the pre-sale was only part of a much larger picture with the intent of triggering a deep penetration into the NA market. Frankly, I am astonished to see these ads. Those poor little Festool elves in the Black Forest will have to go on overtime.

Who knows where this is taking us. Next thing we know, there will be a Festool Kiosk at Home Depot.

Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: JD2720 on October 27, 2016, 12:47 PM
Got a new Poplar Woodworking magazine yesterday. There is a full page back cove ad on the $99 5 Pro Sander.
There will be a lot of surprised people that try to get the sander based on the ads PWW & other WW magazines only to discover they are already all gone.

Are there dates on the ad?  It's one thing to run a limited promotion, and another to advertise nationally based on price.  I would think that Festool is committed to selling at that price to anyone who orders within whatever dates are on the ad.

I may run out and get a Popular Woodworking just for that ad.

Here is the ad from Fine Woodworking Tools&Shops 2017.

It clearly states limited quantity. Magazine ads are planned months in advance. Festool covered themselves as I see it.

(http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg578/photonashville/Festool/Festool-Pro5-ad.jpg) (http://s1244.photobucket.com/user/photonashville/media/Festool/Festool-Pro5-ad.jpg.html)

The ad also states  "Available November 2016". Those limited quantities  were gone long before November 2016.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: JD2720 on October 27, 2016, 02:16 PM
A lot of fuss going on. The ads say available Nov 2016, that is when they will be available to be in your hands. If people didn't get one or are getting bumped, I can understand the feeling of frustration. But let's be honest here, it's just a $99 tool to purchase, the tool was offered as a pre-order with orders far exceeding Festool's expectations. It sold out in pre-order, so be it. No one is entitled to it after the fact if they missed out. Many things in life are first come first serve. I'd expect Festool to honor all the pre-orders. Beyond that, I can't see what more is required once they honor those, it was a limited item to start.

In perspective, Festool users/owners don't seem to fuss nearly as much when it comes to tools we can't get in North America yet are offered everywhere else. That would be a better battle to fight.

Nice try at diversion.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: antss on October 27, 2016, 08:04 PM
The guy who posted the instagram photo and actually has the thing in his hands, said the systainer is black.  I know we were told the systainer would be blue.  Either way, it looks great to me!

You didn't fall for that old whopper did you ?   [embarassed] [embarassed]

"I heard from a guy, on the internet "................. [scared]

I'm not fond of the darker systainers.


Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: TylerC on October 27, 2016, 10:04 PM
The guy who posted the instagram photo and actually has the thing in his hands, said the systainer is black.  I know we were told the systainer would be blue.  Either way, it looks great to me!

It is blue. Saw them yesterday at our dealer.

Festool blue is very, very dark. Confusing it for black is completely understandable and common.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: TylerC on October 27, 2016, 10:11 PM
There are a lot of "why didn't Festool order more?"/"Festool should have seen this coming" comments. These are understandable. I can't talk numbers, but our quantity of PRO 5 LTD was much, much higher than other tools for this reason. Obviously, we still unestimated demand. This promotion was uncharted territory for us, so lesson learned.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: antss on October 27, 2016, 11:20 PM
Tyler - I'm hoping the takeaway isn't to ban cut rate pricing introductions altogether.     [sad]

Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Brice Burrell on October 28, 2016, 07:40 AM
Tyler - I'm hoping the takeaway isn't to ban cut rate pricing introductions altogether.     [sad]

What other logical conclusion could they possible come to.....
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Scott Burt on October 28, 2016, 07:56 AM
Tyler - I'm hoping the takeaway isn't to ban cut rate pricing introductions altogether.     [sad]

What other logical conclusion could they possible come to.....

That passion and critical thinking are not dead?  [big grin]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: TylerC on October 28, 2016, 08:01 AM
Tyler - I'm hoping the takeaway isn't to ban cut rate pricing introductions altogether.     [sad]

What other logical conclusion could they possible come to.....

That passion and critical thinking are not dead?  [big grin]

Obviously, it's too soon to know definitely. We have some more traditional price promotions planned for next year. Whether we do something dramatic like the PRO 5 LTD again has yet to be determined.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: meeker on October 28, 2016, 10:31 AM
TylerC, can you please point me to details on the voucher. I would like to apply it to the purchase of a TS55 REQ and extractor, but have been told there is no ETA on my PRO5.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 28, 2016, 10:36 AM
TylerC, can you please point me to details on the voucher. I would like to apply it to the purchase of a TS55 REQ and extractor, but have been told there is no ETA on my PRO5.

@meeker, you can claim your rebate using this website:

http://www.festoolpro5.com

Here's what the voucher looks like.

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Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: TylerC on October 28, 2016, 10:43 AM
TylerC, can you please point me to details on the voucher. I would like to apply it to the purchase of a TS55 REQ and extractor, but have been told there is no ETA on my PRO5.

FestoolPro5.com has a form that walks you through it.

You'll need to submit the following info:
- PRO 5 LTD voucher code
- PRO 5 LTD T-Nr and S-Nr

- T-Nr and S-Nr of your second tool
- Purchase date of your second tool

- Personal info (name, address, email) so that we can get you the check
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: JimH2 on October 28, 2016, 10:46 AM
Tyler - I'm hoping the takeaway isn't to ban cut rate pricing introductions altogether.     [sad]

The Pro5 deal is basically the same idea as a Groupon deal, which while great for existing customers does very little towards bringing in new customers who are willing to pay full fare for anything. Given the limited distribution of Festool it seems unlikely they will see hoards of new customers, so consider this a handout to existing ones probably not to be seen again for a very long time.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: meeker on October 28, 2016, 11:11 AM
@Shane Holland & @TylerC,

Thanks for the info and quick responses. So the 'may not be applied to previous purchases' won't take effect if I buy the saw/extractor before I am billed/receive the Pro5? No issues with stacking this with saving 10% on the extractor when purchased with the saw?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 28, 2016, 11:14 AM
Thanks for the info and quick responses. So the 'may not be applied to previous purchases' won't take effect if I buy the saw/extractor before I am billed/receive the Pro5?

@meeker, @TylerC had previously stated that due to the circumstances that you can place your order now to take advantage of the $50 voucher. You'll just have to wait until you get your sander to claim the rebate since you'll need the serial number from it.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: HarveyWildes on October 28, 2016, 11:23 AM
Here is the ad from Fine Woodworking Tools&Shops 2017.
It clearly states limited quantity. Magazine ads are planned months in advance. Festool covered themselves as I see it.
...

Not to put too fine a point on it, but...

The ad seems to add insult to injury.  First you sell out the big promotion in October before many people (me, for instance) even know it's happening, then you publish the ad after shutting it down saying that it is available Nov. 2016.

I'm hoping that the ad is saying that the sander will be available for some undetermined longer period at the $99 price point without the voucher.  The ad doesn't promise the voucher, but I think the PRO 5 is a great deal at $99 without the voucher.  (At this point, I don't know what I would spend it on.)

So Festool, whenever the PRO 5 is available for $99 in Nov 2016, put my name on the list.  If you refer me to a dealer, that's fine as long as the tool is actually available through the dealer in November or thereabouts for $99.  You know how to contact me.

Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: TylerC on October 28, 2016, 02:17 PM
Here is the ad from Fine Woodworking Tools&Shops 2017.
It clearly states limited quantity. Magazine ads are planned months in advance. Festool covered themselves as I see it.
...

Not to put too fine a point on it, but...

The ad seems to add insult to injury.  First you sell out the big promotion in October before many people (me, for instance) even know it's happening, then you publish the ad after shutting it down saying that it is available Nov. 2016.

The ad was purchased, designed and finalized months ago.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: meeker on October 28, 2016, 02:34 PM

@meeker, @TylerC had previously stated that due to the circumstances that you can place your order now to take advantage of the $50 voucher. You'll just have to wait until you get your sander to claim the rebate since you'll need the serial number from it.
Excellent!
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Paul G on October 28, 2016, 02:51 PM
Here is the ad from Fine Woodworking Tools&Shops 2017.
It clearly states limited quantity. Magazine ads are planned months in advance. Festool covered themselves as I see it.
...

Not to put too fine a point on it, but...

The ad seems to add insult to injury.  First you sell out the big promotion in October before many people (me, for instance) even know it's happening, then you publish the ad after shutting it down saying that it is available Nov. 2016.

The ad was purchased, designed and finalized months ago.

True. I wonder how many folks understand magazine production schedules.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: bobfog on October 28, 2016, 02:58 PM
Here is the ad from Fine Woodworking Tools&Shops 2017.
It clearly states limited quantity. Magazine ads are planned months in advance. Festool covered themselves as I see it.
...

Not to put too fine a point on it, but...

The ad seems to add insult to injury.  First you sell out the big promotion in October before many people (me, for instance) even know it's happening, then you publish the ad after shutting it down saying that it is available Nov. 2016.

The ad was purchased, designed and finalized months ago.

True. I wonder how many folks understand magazine production schedules.

Yup, can't blame Festool for the advert, it would have been in the pipe-line months ago. What they can be blamed for is the utter incompetence in not anticipating how understandably popular this deal would have been and not manufacturing sufficient stock before advertising the deal, you know... considering how many months in advance they planned it.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Huxleywood on October 28, 2016, 03:37 PM
While "modern" marketing has stripped the words "limited edition" of any meaning grounded in reality sometimes limited actually means limited.  All too often today "limited" is just a buzzword used to get you clicking "proceed to checkout" as quickly as possible, only to see retailers dumping that "limited edition" for half price a year later.  When Porsche brings out a new GT car (reference the unexpected GT4) if you are reading about it the first time in a magazine you are already FAR too late, dealer allocations were sewn up by savvy buyers at the first HINT. 

I ordered one and maybe I will get it maybe not but in any event the worst senario is I buy a new ETS 125 (or whatever they call it in NA) and if I buy a new tool as well which I could have used the voucher for I will have paid $245 (assuming no price increase on the ETS) for what I could have gotten for $99.  While $146 is $146 I don't see any reason to be upset about it since nobody promised me I could get this LIMITED tool. 

Funny with all the talk of delays and uncertain further fulfillment I called my local dealer this morning to see if they had any coming in "unclaimed", they told me they had called their rep yesterday to see if they could get some, and were waiting to here back, I didn't break the bad news to them... 
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: jmhockey23 on October 28, 2016, 06:27 PM
Gotta feel for the dealers on this one. I imagine this is creating a lot of headaches, especially after likely being thrilled by the initial response. Hopefully, there's a solution that leaves most parties satisfied!
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Rustys on October 29, 2016, 10:02 AM
Will the new sanders arrive on November 1st or ship on November 1st? Thanks.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Peter Halle on October 29, 2016, 11:09 AM
Will the new sanders alive on November 1st or ship on November 1st? Thanks.

Festool has always had it in the past that products would be available (releasable by the dealers) for sale or shipping on the stated date.  With the demand outstripping the supply in this case everything is still be worked out.  Stay tuned.

Peter
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Vandal on October 30, 2016, 12:17 PM
I will remain patient and hope that my sander arrives in a reasonable time after Nov 1st. I'm on pins and needles though so if it's like December or later I'm gonna be po'd.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: yetihunter on November 01, 2016, 09:12 AM
Any updates?  [big grin]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Goz on November 01, 2016, 10:28 AM
Any updates?  [big grin]
Niiice! Congrats on your purchase, yetihunter! [emoji106]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: yetihunter on November 01, 2016, 10:59 AM
This is a really niece tool.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: HarveyWildes on November 01, 2016, 12:25 PM
This is a really niece tool.

You must be talking about my niece - she used to work construction with her dad. :)

Seriously, what are the specifics of nice?

Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Paul G on November 01, 2016, 03:30 PM
Got my shipping notice, looking forward to it.  [thumbs up]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: yetihunter on November 01, 2016, 03:52 PM
This is a really niece tool.

You must be talking about my niece - she used to work construction with her dad. :)

Seriously, what are the specifics of nice?


  :o

It just feels solid.  Well balanced, and the motor purrs. 


Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: ttf5003 on November 01, 2016, 04:25 PM
Just got my tracking number from tool nut.

I was starting to get worried as I already sold my ETS 125 on ebay before the shortage came out. I had to sand everything with the RO125 for the past couple weeks which I do not like nearly as much.

Glad I made the cut!
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: meeker on November 01, 2016, 06:52 PM
OK, quit rubbing it in [wink]

Got a no-update-on-ETA update email from ToolNut about an hour ago.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Nick561 on November 01, 2016, 07:03 PM
Mine is in the way [thumbs up] [thumbs up] [thumbs up] [thumbs up] [thumbs up]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: lunchman on November 03, 2016, 02:25 PM
As a data point, I ordered mine within minutes of receiving the email on 10/4 from ToolNut (a $99 sander from Festool? it was a no-brainer). The sander arrived this morning here in central Mass., so they are being delivered.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: nerves on November 05, 2016, 09:57 PM
still waiting.... [sad]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Cheese on November 06, 2016, 12:42 AM
still waiting.... [sad]

Just give it some time...Festool has acknowledged that they will honor the pre-orders, you just have to be patient.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: unclefester on November 06, 2016, 01:38 AM
I stopped in my local Festool Dealer today to pick up saw blades for my multipurpose tool.  The sales person knows me and asked if I knew about the the special deal for the $99.00 dollar sander as he had one left because the guy who ordered it turned it down.  I now have the sander. WhooHoo! I got one.
Today was my day.
I also picked up the hand sander that has the dust collection.  Used it on door edges.
Works great
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: SRSemenza on November 06, 2016, 03:13 PM
Just going to have to wait for the sanders that were ordered to arrive.............................

     Until then these topics, for the most part, will be  .................   [dead horse]


Seth
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Mike Upstate on November 08, 2016, 05:08 PM
Festool could create some goodwill in this situation by immediately providing the $50 voucher to all their backordered customers.   I can wait for the sander until 2017 but was really looking forward to HK 55 under the christmas tree ( or sooner if early November ship date had been met) and the $50 voucher was enough to rationalize the purchase of another track saw [smile]   

As I was typing this Toolnut sent me a email that if we purchase a tool now,  Festool will rebate $50 towards the tool purchase when the sander is received,  but the eta is now March.


 
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on November 08, 2016, 05:11 PM

Festool could create some goodwill in this situation by immediately providing the $50 voucher to all their backordered customers.   I can wait for the sander until 2017 but was really looking forward to HK 55 under the christmas tree ( or sooner if early November ship date had been met) and the $50 voucher was enough to rationalize the purchase of another track saw [smile]

@Mike Upstate, you don't need the voucher or the sander in your hand to use the voucher. You can purchase any Festool power tool now and when you receive your sander, redeem the voucher.  So, there's no reason not to go ahead and snag a new tool and start using it.

The voucher cannot be redeemed without having the serial number from the sander, which is why the vouchers are not being sent in advance. It would not help doing that.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on November 08, 2016, 05:13 PM
For our customers, we are in the process of sending emails with estimated ship dates for your backordered PRO 5 sander. These estimates are based on predictions by Festool on when we will receive additional inventory shipments. The good news is that everyone who ordered will get their sander and $50 voucher. The not-so-good news is that you'll have to wait a bit unfortunately.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Dovetail65 on November 08, 2016, 05:18 PM
To be clear and Shane can correct me if I am wrong. We can buy a sander today and use the Voucher next October, Nov Dec, until 12/31/2017.

It's not money off ahead of time or at the time of purchase, there is zero reason to wait to buy that new Festool. Where I come from this is called a rebate. And it will take 3-5 weeks or whatever to get the rebate.

The voucher states it can not be used on previous purchases, but becasue of  the way this works it really means it cant be used on purchases made before  Nov 1st, 2016.

And if someone tries to sell you the voucher code for 10.00 you will need the serial from the tool as well or you are out of luck.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on November 08, 2016, 05:24 PM
@Dovetail65, yes, that is all correct.

Also, I've seen people posting photos of their sander AND voucher online. I wouldn't do that. Someone could use your serial number and voucher number...  [doh]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Dovetail65 on November 08, 2016, 05:32 PM
Now you have me thinking, did I post that? I better check!
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Mike Upstate on November 08, 2016, 05:38 PM
Thanks Shane,  you can see that I amended my post after reading the email update.  In general terms of posts, I never list my tools or details of my shop on public forums as a precaution [big grin].
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: wood wiz on November 08, 2016, 08:23 PM
Shane,
I'm not sure how many folks it effects but I am having a problem with Tool Nut having my PayPal payment for another 3-5 months before they ship. Again, I know it is out of TN control but this is a significant delay from what was promised and because I paid with PP I was charged a month ago when I placed the order.

I still want the sander but I'm curious what the possibility would be for a refund of the PP payment and reissuing a payment when these are actually going to ship? Your thoughts are appreciated.

Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: antss on November 08, 2016, 08:43 PM
Now you have me thinking, did I post that? I better check!

yep - voucher redeemed already   [scared]    [eek]    [tongue]
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: commonwealthwoodcraft on November 09, 2016, 09:50 AM
Hello,

New to posting but have been coming to the FOG for a little while to look at tool reviews and info. I received an email update from the Tool Nut concerning the shipment of my PRO 5 sander that I ordered the day it was released. Tool Nut estimates that the sander will ship on or around February 7, 2017. Not happy about this, but suppose there is no choice but to wait unless you want to spend double on one listed on eBay that may not even come with everything in the deal.

Luke
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Oldwood on November 09, 2016, 12:36 PM
I think this promotion was very poorly handled!! It does not make me feel like I am dealing with a company with integrity.

I agree that it is not the end of the world if we don't get a sander that we ordered when it was promised but this just reflects badly on the company, as does the way the Kapex issue has been handled. It takes years to build a brand name that people respect and this sort of thing can change peoples perception of the brand. This is the sort of thing you expect from a fly by night operation!

FWIW
Gerry
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: MikeMa on November 09, 2016, 03:44 PM
Wow.  Just got an email from Toolnut that my sander will ship "on or around Thursday, March 16th."  March 16th!?  SERIOUSLY?!?

This is/was going to be my first Festool purchase.  For a deal that was designed to bring in (and try to impress) first time owners, I am not impressed.

The idea with using voucher ahead of release (aka, a rebate) isn't ideal for me.  I wanted to give this sander a try for a bit before deciding on additional purchases. 

I haven't decided what I am going to do with my order yet, but it would be really nice to see Festool do something more than provide apologies to make this right.  Perhaps making the voucher expire a year after the sander is shipped, as was intended, so that us first time owners who have such a large delay have time to really evaluate the tool and to make the determination that we want to make that large investment in another Festool product.

Very Irritated. >:(
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: atogrf1 on November 09, 2016, 04:14 PM
I intend to use my voucher towards a Kapex and a CT, but I want to make sure I actually GET the sander first because if, in the end, I don't get the sander, I sure am not going to be giving my money to a company that shortchanges their customers.
So, we shall see.  I ordered one from Bob Marino and one from Tool Nut.  Both have e-mailed telling me that I will get mine, but that it will be after the first of the year.  First one to show up will wind up getting my order for the Kapex and the CT.

I consider myself a loyal customer, but the one thing that I would not forgive is being made a promise of receiving something and then getting screwed over in the end.  That I don't forgive.

But, having said that.....Here's hoping they come through as promised and I can add to my Festool collection.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on November 09, 2016, 04:40 PM
@MikeMa, welcome to the forum. I definitely understand the frustration of you and others affected by the sander backorder situation.

We were very conservative with our estimates on delivery and padded the delivery time in case product arrives late to us. So, it's possible that you will get it slightly sooner. Hopefully, Festool did the same with their estimates and we'll see sanders showing up in advance of the ETAs they provided to us.

Regardless, this is far from the norm for us. We are known for shipping product very quickly. Hopefully everyone gets their sanders sooner than expected, they find them to be a great value even though there was an unexpected wait, and they are able to get a great deal on another tool with the $50 voucher.

Shane
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: antss on November 09, 2016, 05:20 PM
No one was promised delivery of a pro5 sander by a certain date.

They only advertied they would be available AFTER Nov.1 and that availability was LIMITED .

@atogrf1  - you'd better read the exhaustive postings on the Kapex before you wade into the pool any further. If a delayed sander ticks you off , you may not be a good candidate for mitersaw.

Additionally, anyone that was considering jumping on the bandwagon solely because of a $50 incentive or a low price sander may want to re evaluate their position.  These tools all come with a 30day no risk trial. None. Use it as much as you want and if you don't like it send it back. No questions asked.  Who else gives you that ?

Now, I'm not apologizing for Festool or saying they didn't nut this one up.  They did, and have said as much- and apologized. And will make good on all orders made before the LIMITED offer was withdrawn. Clearly none of you have tried or even know someone that has tried to snag a Black Friday deal and failed. 

These things are like lotteries. Lots of wanna be winners, but few actual ones. Such is life. All this has done is to show Festool they can't buy new customers (or at least the kind they want ) with a short term loss leader strategy.

Note to the brass.  You'll have to have a few permanent items in the catalog at attainable prices if you want to attract a new crop of customers. Things like a $99 sander, a $150ish drill/driver, a lower priced light, and a jigsaw at $200 or less will open up avenues to the next level of buyer you're seeking.

This group may stretch a little to see what all the fuss is about , but they won't spend twice as much as the next highest priced competitor for a sander, drill, jigsaw, or light no matter how many full page ads you run ; tv placements you negotiate , or rallying the sales guys do.  The American craftsman has a different mindset than his Euro counterpart. He also has a smaller wallet because socialism hasn't found its way to U.S. trades as a whole.  If you're not willing to do that you're going to have to settle for flat sales figures.  Tradesmen are dwindling in general; and with that your market - which is already a fraction of that because of your position.

Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: MikeMa on November 09, 2016, 07:23 PM
-> They only advertied they would be available AFTER Nov.1 and that availability was LIMITED .

True, however it would not be an unreasonable expectation that it would be days to weeks after Nov 1, not 4-6 months!

->Additionally, anyone that was considering jumping on the bandwagon solely because of a $50 incentive or a low price sander may want to re evaluate their position.  These tools all come with a 30day no risk trial. None. Use it as much as you want and if you don't like it send it back. No questions asked.  Who else gives you that ?

Disagree.  Most of my hand power tools are Bosch, and have been happy with them.  Asking me to pay 3-5 times to do a 30day no risk trial is still a lot to ask.  And keep in mind, a $99 Sander is a (very) low price for Festool, but it is still on the expensive side of 5" ROS sanders in general, when you factor the average price on them are $30-$50.  I am not new to buying premium tools.  I have a number of Lie-Nielsen and Veritas tools in my shop.  It is worth noting that I started buying them after buying one of their more entry level tools and using it on a couple projects before I really started buying more of them.  This is why I want plenty of time to use that sander before I use the voucher.

-> Note to the brass.  You'll have to have a few permanent items in the catalog at attainable prices if you want to attract a new crop of customers. Things like a $99 sander, a $150ish drill/driver, a lower priced light, and a jigsaw at $200 or less will open up avenues to the next level of buyer you're seeking.

Interesting thing is one of the tools I am/was considering using the voucher for was the Trion Jigsaw, which with voucher would be at that $200 price point.  For the reasons I stated above, and the fact I want the voucher in hand before I make another order.  At this point, I am leaning towards getting one of the Bosch jigsaws.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Peter Halle on November 09, 2016, 07:44 PM
@antss

I find this unusual but I am a guy who tries to be honest.  I actually liked the majority of your post.

Peter
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: antss on November 09, 2016, 08:27 PM
Thanks Peter.

Mike - not an unreasonable expectation .  My point is that we should have no expectation at all.  Limited should have conveyed just that.  Kinda like Private.  Everyone is not allowed in. It also falls under that old conundrum of quality , price and timing.  You pick two, and only two.  In this case you went for high quality and low price - which means you can't get it in a hurry.

Your disagreement illustrates my point.  The $50 doesn't significantly lower the the price of a 3-5x more expensive tool.  Having a cut rate sander may tell you whether you like that sander but nothing about Kapex or Domino, a Track Saw or the goofy looking routers.   Even if you use it for three years. You've got kick the tires on those and 30days should be enough time to get a pretty good idea if they're for you or not.  Bosch doesn't give you your $$$ back after using their glide saw for thirty days if you don't like it. And 50 bucks doesn't even make a dent in the price of saw.  We agree $50 off makes a Trion pretty attractive.

Also, did Mr. Nielsen offer you a coupon, or half price chisel or whatever ?   Nope.  You decide to roll the dice and pay the full freight. And if they don't have stock you wait til they decide to make some more of that widget.   Just happened to me with a #102 recently. They do have the 30 day thing though.  Interesting,  that no coupon and no 1/2 price tool but 30 days is good enough for you to chance a LN  , but somehow it's too scary to pull the trigger with Festool ?  I don't understand that .

Plus you pay for shipping form LN.  Free shipping is another thing we've all come to expect these day , but really shouldn't.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: MikeMa on November 09, 2016, 08:55 PM
Every Lie-Nielsen purchase I have made has been with free shipping.  I have also gotten Veritas tools at discount as well as with free shipping.  I also was able to try out every tool from Lie-Nielsen and Veritas before purchase, so I was able to see and feel the quality difference in them vs. lower end tools.  While the 30 day return policy is nice, it is not completely unique to festool.

What I want to see, before I consider Festool, is I have found Bosch to be very high quality.  Is the quality of the Festool THAT much better it is worth me to pay considerably more for the tool. 

You obviously own one or more Festool tools, I don't any.  Since I don't make money from my tools, I have to look at each tool purchase very carefully.  I am not yet convinced I should by Festool over Bosch. 

This sander is Festool's opportunity to convince me.  So far they have failed.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)p
Post by: ChrisK1970 on November 09, 2016, 09:30 PM
Every Lie-Nielsen purchase I have made has been with free shipping.  I have also gotten Veritas tools at discount as well as with free shipping.  I also was able to try out every tool from Lie-Nielsen and Veritas before purchase, so I was able to see and feel the quality difference in them vs. lower end tools.  While the 30 day return policy is nice, it is not completely unique to festool.

What I want to see, before I consider Festool, is I have found Bosch to be very high quality.  Is the quality of the Festool THAT much better it is worth me to pay considerably more for the tool. 

You obviously own one or more Festool tools, I don't any.  Since I don't make money from my tools, I have to look at each tool purchase very carefully.  I am not yet convinced I should by Festool over Bosch. 

This sander is Festool's opportunity to convince me.  So far they have failed.

I wished I never paid for shipping from Lie Nielsen but alas.... I have :( Every friggin time!
I agree that Bosch makes wonderful tools.
To pay the prices for a Festool is really dependent upon you and your experience. Festool clearly wants to increase NA sales and offered what is arguably a wonderful sander for a super premium price and a bonus to really sink in sales. They did this to get you, the uninitiated customer (AS IT RELATES TO FESTOOL!!!!) to buy into their ecosystem and experience a super high quality tool lineup. Until you make your first purchase you will really be in the ether of knowing the quality of the tools. But....Festool screwed up and did not plan appropriately for the sales they made. Unfortunately some of the stores that sell these high quality tools have to keep their customers happy and that is not an envious position.  Of course they will honor their sale but a mark has been made by the consumers. I lucked out, I bought mine from Bob and received it Thursday. Clearly there is a problem though. A lot of people. And unfortunately people such as yourself without practiced experience with the Festool lineup, were affected. This will effect the general attitude of consumers and I don't think it's entirely fair. Sure Festool boned up but....they make a heck of a lineup of tools and who knows? Maybe you will still be impressed even though you had to deal with this issue! Regardless...welcome to the forum! I hope they can get you to a Pro 5 soon and who knows, maybe a DC unit is in your future!
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Svar on November 09, 2016, 09:51 PM
Plus you pay for shipping form LN.  Free shipping is another thing we've all come to expect these day , but really shouldn't.
It's not plus shipping. There is no "free" shipping, you pay it regardless. In some cases it's itemized, in others lumped with the price of the product. It's the latter that people come to expect.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)p
Post by: MikeMa on November 09, 2016, 10:05 PM
I wished I never paid for shipping from Lie Nielsen but alas.... I have :( Every friggin time!
I agree that Bosch makes wonderful tools.
To pay the prices for a Festool is really dependent upon you and your experience. Festool clearly wants to increase NA sales and offered what is arguably a wonderful sander for a super premium price and a bonus to really sink in sales. They did this to get you, the uninitiated customer (AS IT RELATES TO FESTOOL!!!!) to buy into their ecosystem and experience a super high quality tool lineup. Until you make your first purchase you will really be in the ether of knowing the quality of the tools. But....Festool screwed up and did not plan appropriately for the sales they made. Unfortunately some of the stores that sell these high quality tools have to keep their customers happy and that is not an envious position.  Of course they will honor their sale but a mark has been made by the consumers. I lucked out, I bought mine from Bob and received it Thursday. Clearly there is a problem though. A lot of people. And unfortunately people such as yourself without practiced experience with the Festool lineup, were affected. This will effect the general attitude of consumers and I don't think it's entirely fair. Sure Festool boned up but....they make a heck of a lineup of tools and who knows? Maybe you will still be impressed even though you had to deal with this issue! Regardless...welcome to the forum! I hope they can get you to a Pro 5 soon and who knows, maybe a DC unit is in your future!

Thank you Chris,
To your point, it may not be fair for Festool, however, part of the expectation, at least mine, is when buying premium tools, you get a premium level of customer service.  So far, the customer service has been lacking.  For getting free shipping from Lie-Nielsen the best way to do that is go to their hand tool events.  Fortunately there is a couple each year that are close by.  Check out their website at https://www.lie-nielsen.com/hand-tool-events

Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: wonderbuck on November 10, 2016, 12:27 PM
March 23 delivery date for something that was ordered and paid for on October 5th is a bit out of line when you're trying to get new users that can go pull a yellow or orange or red tool of the shelf of the big boxes. It's also a bit much to ask of guys that are making money with these tools. I'm hesitant to recommend Festool to new users at this point because it's making me look bad as well.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: meeker on November 10, 2016, 03:16 PM
Wow.  Just got an email from Toolnut that my sander will ship "on or around Thursday, March 16th."  March 16th!?  SERIOUSLY?!?

This is/was going to be my first Festool purchase.  For a deal that was designed to bring in (and try to impress) first time owners, I am not impressed
....
Same here, Mike, you're not alone.  I also got a March 16th date and it's my first order. Not being that familiar with Festool, I took a day to research the product and offer, so placed an order 8PM October 5. My guess is it's the regular Festool users / FOG posters that are getting theirs now rather than those that were using it to try Festool out. Can't fault the Toolnut for processing them in the order they received them, though. It's just unfortunate that those of us who (perhaps) this was meant to attract are starting off badly.

Anyway, I guess it'll be a nice surprise when it does finally show up.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Paul G on November 10, 2016, 03:27 PM
Shane, I got the new sander earlier in the week. Very much appreciate the quality packaging. The box had the usual battle scars but they never reached the contents.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on November 10, 2016, 03:46 PM
Shane, I got the new sander earlier in the week. Very much appreciate the quality packaging. The box had the usual battle scars but they never reached the contents.

Thanks for the update, Paul. Our guys that pack and ship really do a great job making sure things stand up to the sometimes rough trip to your house.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: spllbnd2 on November 10, 2016, 04:00 PM
I received my updated "possible" ship date and it sounds like most of us that are in the holding pattern are going to wait for about another 4 months for this great deal to finally be at our doorstep.

 I do understand what previous posts had mentioned about sometimes having to wait, but 4 months is a bit excessive if you ask me. But I shall wait and see how the quality is once I receive the sander.

"Festool is in the process of manufacturing additional PRO 5 Sanders. So, you will definitely receive your $99 PRO 5 Sander with $50 voucher, as promised. Based on the schedule provided by Festool, we anticipate that your sander will ship on or around Thursday, March 23rd. Note that this is an estimated ship date and is subject to change."

Cheers,
Alex
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Huxleywood on November 10, 2016, 05:01 PM

 I do understand what previous posts had mentioned about sometimes having to wait, but 4 months is a bit excessive if you ask me.



Keep in mind there is probably a Germany to US transit time of 5-6 weeks then another week to get them out to dealers and 2-5 days more to the individuals, this is on top of working a ton of new sanders into their production schedule.  There is only so much a company can do and from my POV they are doing everything one could reasonably expect them to, there are a lot of companies that would simply have said "sorry it was limited" and go on about ther business. 

Not directed at anyone here but there are people that want to dislike Festool and this becomes something they can hang their hat on. 

Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: antss on November 10, 2016, 08:28 PM
MikeMA - uh, that's not free shipping either ?  You've spent gas money and time (opportunity cost) and you've paid sales tax too.  So not really shipping and certainly added cost to the LieN price regardless - which was my whole point.   Guess I wasn't clear.

Svar - we can argue the semantics all day if you'd like off board.  Off course overhead is all rolled into the price.  But, when a plane is $115 and I'm charged $11 shipping or $10 tax that plane is costing ME $126 + or -.

When ordering a pro5 from Shane I pay $99 including all tax, tag and title, destination fee and polyglycoat too.  Shane has to figure out how to come up with the $15 or so dollars UPS billed him.

You pay LN additional $$ from the Listed Item price regardless.  Not so the overwhelming majority of the time for Festool purchases over the internet.

Bosch has some nice tools for sure.  Their jigsaw is arguably the industry benchmark; at least in the U.S.

meeker - you illustrate what FT should have already gleaned from this and arguably should have known beforehand.  But, that ship has sailed and you're gonna have to wait for it to dock like everyone else in the boat.

et al - Most dealers won't charge you until they ship the product to you.  Many will place a hold on the funds  - lowering your available credit limit. But, you don't owe the money at the end of the month.    If they actually charged you - you should re-evaluate your relationship in general.    If you paid by debit card, then consider it a fairly inexpensive lesson about why not to use those for anything that is not cash and carry !  Same with any of the online or bank pay services.   

Convenient yes, pro consumer -     [censored]  NO
 
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: ScoFF on December 23, 2016, 10:49 AM
Here's a question for a dealer, I bought my PRO 5 sander and received it from a Canadian Dealer.
I'm told I can buy a new tool from any dealer.
Can I just buy one from amazon?  Does that qualify?  I'm worried I'll get something online and when I try to use the voucher it'll say it had to be some special vendor.

My other question, since I bought it from a Canadian dealer, can I buy from a US dealer?  Would my voucher cheque be in US funds or Canadian funds?   

I'm close tot he border and depending on the exchange rate it's sometimes cheaper to buy from the US.  IT'd be nice if I got a US funds cheque.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Dovetail65 on January 09, 2017, 02:38 PM
Is there a way to check on the status of rebate check?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: TylerC on January 09, 2017, 04:00 PM
Is there a way to check on the status of rebate check?

There's not an official process. Send me your name and email, and I'll see if I can get an update.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on December 20, 2017, 09:18 AM
Guys, just a reminder that Festool must receive your voucher claim before 12/31 at http://www.festoolpro5.com.

So, if you're planning to take advantage of this opportunity, please be sure to place your order early enough to have received your qualifying tool before the 12/31 deadline. You will need the serial number from it to enter your voucher claim.

Shop for a qualifying tool...

https://www.festoolproducts.com/power-tools.html
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: wood pulp on December 21, 2017, 10:20 AM
Guys, just a reminder that Festool must receive your voucher claim before 12/31 at http://www.festoolpro5.com.

So, if you're planning to take advantage of this opportunity, please be sure to place your order early enough to have received your qualifying tool before the 12/31 deadline. You will need the serial number from it to enter your voucher claim.

Shop for a qualifying tool...

https://www.festoolproducts.com/power-tools.html

@Shane Holland - I need to purchase an additional charger for my drills, can I use a voucher for that?
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on December 21, 2017, 10:22 AM
@Shane Holland - I need to purchase an additional charger for my drills, can I use a voucher for that?

@wood pulp, I will defer to @TylerC to let us know if a charger is a qualifying tool or not. The voucher is unclear on what qualifies as a tool.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: McNally Family on December 21, 2017, 10:24 AM
Guys, just a reminder that Festool must receive your voucher claim before 12/31 at http://www.festoolpro5.com.

So, if you're planning to take advantage of this opportunity, please be sure to place your order early enough to have received your qualifying tool before the 12/31 deadline. You will need the serial number from it to enter your voucher claim.

Shop for a qualifying tool...

https://www.festoolproducts.com/power-tools.html


@Shane Holland

Shane, I can never get your link to work for the rebate submission.  However, I was able to get this one to work when I submitted mine last week:

https://www.festoolusa.com/company/pro-5-rebate

**Of course, it may just be my computer, as I can never get "Festoolproducts.com" to load either.  I end up going through "Toolnut.com" to see Festool stuff.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: TylerC on December 21, 2017, 10:30 AM
@Shane Holland - I need to purchase an additional charger for my drills, can I use a voucher for that?

@wood pulp, I will defer to @TylerC to let us know if a charger is a qualifying tool or not. The voucher is unclear on what qualifies as a tool.

Sold on its own, a charger is an accessory, not a tool. Therefore, it doesn't qualify for the PRO 5 voucher.
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: yetihunter on December 22, 2017, 09:17 PM
I already used my voucher back in 2016.  8)
Title: Re: $99 PRO 5 Sander Promotion + $50 Voucher - New Festool REQ Sanders (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on December 30, 2017, 11:32 PM
Final friendly reminder to use it or lose it. Vouchers must be redeemed by tomorrow on any new tool purchased between October 2016 and now excluding the PRO 5 sander(s).