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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #210 on: August 25, 2016, 07:33 AM »
Dang, my GRS16 hasn't been off my tracks since I got it but it is nice to know that when I do take it off it'll fit. Thanks for sharing.

Oh and by the way Hans, my workers came to me a few weeks ago and asked me where this thing was a few months ago when they were building vanity cabinets everyday for the entire summer. You're are their hero.

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« Reply #211 on: August 25, 2016, 09:58 AM »
Spoke with Hans on the phone earlier and I am so stoked! About what I can't say.

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« Reply #212 on: August 25, 2016, 10:25 AM »
Spoke with Hans on the phone earlier and I am so stoked! About what I can't say.

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Are we allowed to guess? The logical progression is a clip-on angle guide to set the rail at any angle with at least the 45 degree angle a permanent stop. Festool missed the boat when the new short cross-cut rail was only made for the new cross-cut saw.

An angle feature might make an average carpenter give up the speed square for a track saw and rail.

The TSO development time from idea to market is astonishing My new parallel guide arrives  today. I am breaking down  into shorter lengths some 2x8 planks, now much easier with my TSO guides.
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« Reply #213 on: August 25, 2016, 11:12 AM »
Those guys at TSO are smart, serious, and dedicated.  [thumbs up]

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« Reply #214 on: August 25, 2016, 11:23 AM »
the reason we applied for a patent for the Latching approach on our GRS products is that right from the start we saw multiple other applications.
You all can appreciate the commercial reasons for keeping new product development plans under our hat to a certain degree. Still, we need to talk to and listen to each other - that's where progress comes from.
We are sincerely appreciative of all the feedback!
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« Reply #215 on: August 25, 2016, 11:57 AM »
Some more shots I took but did not post earlier.

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« Reply #216 on: August 25, 2016, 12:09 PM »
I can't  seem to be able to post more than 1 pic at a time , thats why i didn't  post the other 3 I took earlier.

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« Reply #217 on: August 25, 2016, 12:17 PM »
I am so intrigued at what the next 'thing' will be.

Can someone post the dimensions in metric☺ of the GRS-16 PE square please?

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« Reply #218 on: August 25, 2016, 12:24 PM »
I am just wondering if there is benefit in using the original GRS-16 on one end of a long rail and - assuming you already have the Festool Parallel Guides - using one of the Festool Parallel Guides on the other.  One could use the single Parallel Guide to select cut piece dimension, and the GRS-16 to ensure squareness?  This might be handy to repeated cuts of the same depth.  Is this too goofy?

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« Reply #219 on: August 25, 2016, 12:36 PM »
I am just wondering if there is benefit in using the original GRS-16 on one end of a long rail and - assuming you already have the Festool Parallel Guides - using one of the Festool Parallel Guides on the other.  One could use the single Parallel Guide to select cut piece dimension, and the GRS-16 to ensure squareness?  This might be handy to repeated cuts of the same depth.  Is this too goofy?

DrD

your suggestion was discussed and one of the members posted a picture of this set up some time ago. No reason why it should not work
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« Reply #220 on: August 25, 2016, 03:04 PM »
Is there video of the parallel guide in use?

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« Reply #221 on: August 25, 2016, 03:55 PM »
It looks like you guys at TSO are not only on the ball with some great ideas, but you continue to communicate.  You should be around for a long time.   [thumbs up] [thumbs up] [thumbs up]
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« Reply #222 on: August 25, 2016, 04:00 PM »
I only got to play with this yesterday and today.

it is great. I wish I had it years ago. I cut up 10 sheets into 12" strips and every cut was perfect.


the only additions I would add it to include the washer and nut
I would mark a scale along the edge for rouger cuts. the job I was doing didn't require 100% accuracy . a few mm less was ok . the scale would allow you to just drop and cut .
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« Reply #223 on: August 25, 2016, 06:07 PM »
Is there video of the parallel guide in use?
Not sure whose Parallel Guide you are seeking info on. commercial, home made? can you be more specific? brand?
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« Reply #224 on: August 25, 2016, 06:16 PM »
I only got to play with this yesterday and today.

it is great. I wish I had it years ago. I cut up 10 sheets into 12" strips and every cut was perfect.


the only additions I would add it to include the washer and nut
I would mark a scale along the edge for rougher cuts. the job I was doing didn't require 100% accuracy . a few mm less was ok . the scale would allow you to just drop and cut .

Alan,
if you need a 10-32 Screw and can't obtain one, let us know and we'll send you one no charge. We will consider including and a washer if and when it appears that there is sufficient demand to warrant the added cost. We thought there might be a demand but your comment is the first one we can recall to suggest making it a part our standard product. We'll keep an ear out for more requests and maintain an open mind.

The scale idea: could you send a sketch or marked up picture that would help us understand how that would work?
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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #225 on: August 25, 2016, 10:46 PM »
Hans, in my case it would be the Festool Parallel Guide.  A video would be nice.

Thanks,

DrD
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« Reply #226 on: August 26, 2016, 08:48 AM »
DrD,  Have you searched on YouTube? - I see seven YouTube listings under FESTOOL  parallel Guide. This topic probably should be dealt with on another thread to be more helpful to you.
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« Reply #227 on: August 26, 2016, 09:46 AM »
Good Morning Hans,

Appreciate your reference to You Tube; using search engines available to me, I find well over 10 pages of You Tube videos regarding the use of Festool Parallel Guides.  However, none of them address the combined use of your product with the Festool product.  My inquiry was just for assisting me in justifying the expense of your tool, that's all.  To date I've been quite happy with my Qwas Square and a single Parallel Guide attached to the opposite end of the rail.  I do verify square with a variety of tools at my disposal:  Qwas Dogs, Anderson Square, various Woodpecker precision squares.  Thus, I guess I'm well equipped with what I already have.

I do wish you good success in this and all aspects of your business.

DrD
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« Reply #228 on: August 26, 2016, 09:47 AM »
Your guide.  The Parallel Edge guide.  If not, maybe a description.  There was alot of info on the Rail Square on your site but none for the parallel edge guide.

https://tsoproducts.com/tools-equipment/grs-16-pe-parallel-edge-guide-rail-square/

Is there video of the parallel guide in use?
Not sure whose Parallel Guide you are seeking info on. commercial, home made? can you be more specific? brand?
Hans

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« Reply #229 on: August 26, 2016, 10:38 AM »
Good Morning Hans,

Appreciate your reference to You Tube; using search engines available to me, I find well over 10 pages of You Tube videos regarding the use of Festool Parallel Guides.  However, none of them address the combined use of your product with the Festool product.  My inquiry was just for assisting me in justifying the expense of your tool, that's all.  To date I've been quite happy with my Qwas Square and a single Parallel Guide attached to the opposite end of the rail.  I do verify square with a variety of tools at my disposal:  Qwas Dogs, Anderson Square, various Woodpecker precision squares.  Thus, I guess I'm well equipped with what I already have.

I do wish you good success in this and all aspects of your business.

DrD

If you can leave the QWAS Square attached to a guide rail you're all set, no reason to buy another rail square.

While the GRS-16 is an excellent product the primary functional difference between the two squares is that the TSO product can be quickly installed/removed and it is instantly square. No other reference tools required.

That is a HUGE benefit for many people but if you don't need to remove your QWAS Square....

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #230 on: August 26, 2016, 11:26 AM »
Good Morning Hans,

Appreciate your reference to You Tube; using search engines available to me, I find well over 10 pages of You Tube videos regarding the use of Festool Parallel Guides.  However, none of them address the combined use of your product with the Festool product.  My inquiry was just for assisting me in justifying the expense of your tool, that's all.  To date I've been quite happy with my Qwas Square and a single Parallel Guide attached to the opposite end of the rail.  I do verify square with a variety of tools at my disposal:  Qwas Dogs, Anderson Square, various Woodpecker precision squares.  Thus, I guess I'm well equipped with what I already have.

I do wish you good success in this and all aspects of your business.

DrD

DrD - pardon me - I mistook your inquiry to refer to the "Parallel Guide" made by Festool and others. You can find videos describing our Guide Rail Square Parallel Edge GRS-16 PE on our website: https://tsoproducts.com/tools-equipment/grs-16-pe-parallel-edge-guide-rail-square/
These abbreviated videos just went up on our site yesterday.
I might mention that my personal dissatisfaction with our own QWAS Square led me to develop the GRS-16 series of tools. An easy way to decide if it does something for you is to buy, try it and return it if it's not enough of an improvement for you.  [unsure]
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« Reply #231 on: August 26, 2016, 03:40 PM »
I only got to play with this yesterday and today.

it is great. I wish I had it years ago. I cut up 10 sheets into 12" strips and every cut was perfect.


the only additions I would add it to include the washer and nut
I would mark a scale along the edge for rougher cuts. the job I was doing didn't require 100% accuracy . a few mm less was ok . the scale would allow you to just drop and cut .

Alan,
if you need a 10-32 Screw and can't obtain one, let us know and we'll send you one no charge. We will consider including and a washer if and when it appears that there is sufficient demand to warrant the added cost. We thought there might be a demand but your comment is the first one we can recall to suggest making it a part our standard product. We'll keep an ear out for more requests and maintain an open mind.

The scale idea: could you send a sketch or marked up picture that would help us understand how that would work?
Hans

I thought the bolt could be included so that I could use the washer if needed. I hate having to go looking for these things. these little jobs never get done. I have been meaning to do the same thing to my parallel guides for years and still haven't done it

there isn't relly a need to have the washer , when I used it, it didn't tip once
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« Reply #232 on: August 26, 2016, 03:48 PM »
I wanted a scale on the edge that goes against the work piece.
if you are cutting off the edge you can use the edge to set the distance

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« Reply #233 on: August 26, 2016, 04:19 PM »
Alan
if I understand you correctly you would have a scale showing approxiamtely 200+ millimeters to the left of the guide rail. Any reading from this scale would have to relate to one or the other edge of the guide rail. The left side would pose quite a parallax problem while the cut side as a reference would introduce the variable of the splinterguard "0" location. After all that, the scale would be useful only for dimensions ranging between 160mm and 400 mm.
I'm probably still not understanding you correctly. Perhaps a practical example illustrating your point would let me figure it out.
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« Reply #234 on: August 26, 2016, 04:39 PM »
I think you have the idea.
im not sure where you see parallax.
it would only be good for rougher cuts where the exact dimension wouldn't need to be 100%

you could also make the scale movable so you could dial in the accuracy
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« Reply #235 on: August 26, 2016, 07:05 PM »
I think you have the idea.
im not sure where you see parallax.
it would only be good for rougher cuts where the exact dimension wouldn't need to be 100%

you could also make the scale movable so you could dial in the accuracy

I think some Right - Left adhesive measuring tape from Kreg or Starrett would work great. Or painters tape and a pencil or sharpie. Since these are rougher cut markings anyway, something like this would work!
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« Reply #236 on: August 26, 2016, 07:16 PM »
come on now bob. surely your not suggesting using cheap tape instead of investing hundreds in a new tool.

I was thinking about sticking a scale on the rail. it would really help for rougher cuts
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« Reply #237 on: August 26, 2016, 08:12 PM »
Alan, we'll keep an ear out for other customer voices calling for this feature along with their expressed willingness to pay the additional cost it will entail. If we can see a business case for any technically feasible accessory we are prepared to pursue it - that is our business after all.

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« Reply #238 on: August 26, 2016, 10:51 PM »
Got my GS-16 PE today. That thing was packed well enough that it my survive being run over by a half track! Great job Hans!!!!

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« Reply #239 on: August 27, 2016, 12:54 AM »
Jack,
glad your GRS-16 PE arrived in good shape as expected. We would like some feedback as to how these tools ar stored when not in active use. We worked hard to be able to fit the original GRS-16 flat into into a SYSTAINER 1. We had hoped to be able to create a fitted HD EPS filler block for SYS 1 but found there is not enough room left around the perimeter for that to protect the tools in shipment. That's why we went to SEALED AIR urethane foam as an intermediary step. Safe transit but not very practical for storage in the shop or truck. SO we are working on tooling for a more re-usable box filler. But we also heard earlier calls for a "holster" and a "Pouch" and even a hook or something to hang the tool from the workbench or MFT-3.

We would appreciate some discussion from our customers who have received their tool and are starting to use them. What's missing to make it convenient to have around the workplace when it's not latched onto a guide rail?
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