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Offline Kev

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #240 on: August 27, 2016, 03:54 AM »
I wanted a scale on the edge that goes against the work piece.
if you are cutting off the edge you can use the edge to set the distance

You can get tape with measurements to stick on .. can't remember who offers it - but there's a few.

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« Reply #241 on: August 27, 2016, 03:10 PM »
You can get tape with measurements to stick on .. can't remember who offers it - but there's a few.

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #242 on: August 27, 2016, 03:27 PM »
Also check with FastCap and Lee Valley; I've gotten adhesive baked tapes for both.

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #243 on: August 28, 2016, 12:13 AM »
Hans,

My equipment never leaves the shop, in fact, I have sold nearly all the systainers my inventory of Festools came in. I built a Jack-Bench modified to be an extra large MFT that is mobile on wheels and height adjustable. I put a 1/4" insert rail around the perimeter so it would be nice if a plastic coated hook would slide into the 1/4" track so it could be re-positioned around the table. I am attaching a photo of my bench for reference.

Thanks
Jack


Jack,
glad your GRS-16 PE arrived in good shape as expected. We would like some feedback as to how these tools ar stored when not in active use. We worked hard to be able to fit the original GRS-16 flat into into a SYSTAINER 1. We had hoped to be able to create a fitted HD EPS filler block for SYS 1 but found there is not enough room left around the perimeter for that to protect the tools in shipment. That's why we went to SEALED AIR urethane foam as an intermediary step. Safe transit but not very practical for storage in the shop or truck. SO we are working on tooling for a more re-usable box filler. But we also heard earlier calls for a "holster" and a "Pouch" and even a hook or something to hang the tool from the workbench or MFT-3.

We would appreciate some discussion from our customers who have received their tool and are starting to use them. What's missing to make it convenient to have around the workplace when it's not latched onto a guide rail?
Hans

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #244 on: August 29, 2016, 09:38 AM »
Jack,
thanks for the specific response.
I made a note of the vinyl coated "hook" suggestion. The design challenge I see is that you would want to be able to hang the GRS on to the hook with just one hand - not having to steady the hook with the other hand. The limitation with making the hook a one piece semi-rigid design is that it would be limited to the specific track or extrusion. - Hmmm ???[unsure]
I'm open to suggestions from everyone on this. Perhaps someone can show a coat-hanger mock-up as a starting point for us. The attachment method to the workbench is the issue where we need input.

 Your workbench would make an interesting separate new thread  - especially the height adjusting mechanism inside!

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #245 on: August 29, 2016, 01:56 PM »
come on now bob. surely your not suggesting using cheap tape instead of investing hundreds in a new tool.

I was thinking about sticking a scale on the rail. it would really help for rougher cuts

It was worth a shot! ;)
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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #246 on: August 29, 2016, 09:08 PM »
Thanks Hans! - The plastic coating is to keep it from damaging the anodizing of my GSR-16 and PE

If there are a few here interested in knowing more about my Jack-Bench I will start a thread and post more pics. The web site where I purchased the plans is www.jack-bench.com

The author of the plans is a great guy. I needed to modify my bench to be geared toward being low enough for me to use it from a sitting position as a table more or less and he respond to my email request for help on the weekend when he was on vacation I believe. He helped work through the dimension changes and even calculated what height the legs needed to be.

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #247 on: September 28, 2016, 01:12 PM »
Looking to buy one of the GRS-16 guide rail squares. My one question to everyone is:

How are you storing your GRS-16 PE?

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #248 on: September 28, 2016, 04:45 PM »
Mine has pretty much stayed on the rail, of course in my case it never leaves the shop.
The one who says it can't be done should avoid interrupting the person doing it.

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« Reply #249 on: September 28, 2016, 06:02 PM »
Looking to buy one of the GRS-16 guide rail squares. My one question to everyone is:

How are you storing your GRS-16 PE?

mine is stored in the systainers with the saw. it fits in a classic sys 4 in front of the saw
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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #250 on: September 28, 2016, 06:35 PM »
I posted pics of my GRS -16  Square being stored in the TS55 systainer earlier in this thread.

The GRS -16  PE is rectangular so cannot be stored like its predecessor. I was lucky enough to pick up a zipped bag for a £1, three days earlier at a car boot sale.  It is pefect fit for the PE including the new polystyrene  packing that Hans sent me (Thank you Hans, you da man!).

I have some dimpled foam to add to the top inside face of the bag to protect the PE fully. Will do that tomorrow.

I used the  PE square today, fantastic.  Cutting some bullnosed worktop, so I had to used the square on the back edge of the worktop as it does not sadly work with the front bullnose edge of the worktop.

« Last Edit: September 28, 2016, 06:43 PM by tazprime38 »

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #251 on: November 09, 2016, 05:02 AM »
You guys still shipping these to Australia? Very interested.

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« Reply #252 on: November 17, 2016, 09:15 PM »
You guys still shipping these to Australia? Very interested.
You bet we're shipping to Australia! - just try to stop us  [big grin]
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« Reply #253 on: November 17, 2016, 09:24 PM »
You guys still shipping these to Australia? Very interested.
You bet we're shipping to Australia! - just try to stop us  [big grin]
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@Pykie I got both of mine quick and hassle free. Don't hesitate.

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #254 on: November 19, 2016, 02:29 PM »
Can the GRS-16 PE be stored in a Sys 4 in front of the TS55 as indicated ?  There are 2 responses above one says it can (Alan m), the other says because it's rectangular it can't and they are storing it in a separate pouch (tazprime38)?  Any clarification on this appreciated.

Also, the dimensions of the GRS-16 PE would be helpful as I could not see them on the TSO product page, although I may have missed them.

Thanks, Mark

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #255 on: November 19, 2016, 04:12 PM »
@Mark Johnson - you make a very good point about this whole measurement topic. We have a dimension section on the GRS-16 web page but somehow not on the GRS-16 PE version (actually both have the identical 16x6 inch overall rectangular footprint outline).
thanks for bringing it to our attention.

I'll go to the shop and verify the fit into Systainers and post it by Sunday with pictures
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« Reply #256 on: November 19, 2016, 04:15 PM »
Hmm - interesting products, glad I discovered the thread!  8)
I was about to purchase a Triton angle guide, but I like what I see at your web site.  Although your stuff is a lot more expensive I can see the logic and quality behind it.  Maybe I need to hunt out my piggy bank.  Slightly concerned about the possible customs fee hammering though, as I live in the UK  [scared]

Some minor (and pedantic) feedback: 
On your GRS-16 listing it says

Quote
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Two instances where this unique feature comes in handy:

A.You are using a long guide rail combination and want to be sure that, in spite of the distance from the front square, you are still perfectly square 8 feet (or 4m) away.

But as NASA found out when they missed Mars - 8 feet is not equal to 4m  [smile]

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #257 on: November 19, 2016, 04:31 PM »
@Spiff - we have added the 2,438 mm distance to our list of needed corrections - good observation - thank you!
UK woodworkers rank high on our list of global customers - you'll be glad you joined them  [smile]
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« Reply #258 on: November 19, 2016, 08:12 PM »
Can the GRS-16 PE be stored in a Sys 4 in front of the TS55 as indicated ?  There are 2 responses above one says it can (Alan m), the other says because it's rectangular it can't and they are storing it in a separate pouch (tazprime38)?  Any clarification on this appreciated.

Also, the dimensions of the GRS-16 PE would be helpful as I could not see them on the TSO product page, although I may have missed them.

Thanks, Mark
@Mark Johnson - storing GRS-16 will work in the Systainer with the TS55 see picture. It works best when placed against the back. When placed in front, it displaces the TS55 in a way which causes interference with the foam filler block and prevents the lid from being closed.

GRS-16 PE version will not fit in a SYstainer with the TS55 as the pictures show

The difference in size between the two models exists in the corners which have been trimmed. Compare the shape of the GRS-16 placed on top of a GRS-16 PE with silver colored marking to make it more distinguishable. The footprint of both tools will fit into a 16 inch x 6 inch rectangle.

Hope this clarifies.
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« Reply #259 on: November 19, 2016, 08:16 PM »
pictures did not upload before - here goes again . . .
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« Reply #260 on: November 19, 2016, 08:21 PM »
hope all the pictures loaded this time ...
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« Reply #261 on: November 19, 2016, 08:31 PM »
Thank you very much for the quick and helpful response.

So if the GE variant is to be stored, it will need to be outside of the Systainer system it seems. Another quick question hopefully, would it make sense to use the FS Rapid clamp with the guides or would it potentially be working against them?

Thanks, Mark

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« Reply #262 on: November 19, 2016, 09:12 PM »
Thank you very much for the quick and helpful response.

So if the GE variant is to be stored, it will need to be outside of the Systainer system it seems. Another quick question hopefully, would it make sense to use the FS Rapid clamp with the guides or would it potentially be working against them?

Thanks, Mark
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@Mark Johnson - The GRS-16 PE (Parallel Edge version) needs to be stored in something other than a Systainer - a shallow drawer, for example.
Both GRS-16 and GRS-16 PE Guide Rail Square are fully compatible with Quick Clamps or any clamp of that T-slot dimension on the FS Guide Rails. Note the little half-round cut out in the GRS-16 to provide clearance for clamps.
FESTOOL guide rails do a very job of resisting movement on clean (no saw dust etc) sheet material and many users apply clamps as the exception rather than the rule. Do what you are comfortable with.
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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #263 on: November 22, 2016, 06:21 PM »
Can the GRS-16 PE be stored in a Sys 4 in front of the TS55 as indicated ?  There are 2 responses above one says it can (Alan m), the other says because it's rectangular it can't and they are storing it in a separate pouch (tazprime38)?  Any clarification on this appreciated.

Also, the dimensions of the GRS-16 PE would be helpful as I could not see them on the TSO product page, although I may have missed them.

Thanks, Mark


sorry for the late reply.
i have a ts55 in a classic systainer.
the saw insert is designed 180 degrees from the tloc insert. the blade side of the saw is at the front.
my original square fits in just infront of the saw between the saw and the systainer
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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #264 on: November 24, 2016, 01:42 AM »
Got mine in Melbourne about 3 days after ordering. Excellent service and a great bit of kit

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« Reply #265 on: December 28, 2016, 05:56 PM »
So, apparently I just discovered this thread and the GRS-16 while waiting for the Ms. to get ready on the morning of December 23rd.

Being the Tool-Addict I am, pulled the trigger right away, hoping that the GRS would be with me, when I return home in January after holidays with the family.

Who would have thought that the brilliant guys @TSO Products would be so quick that the square is sitting at my neighbors since December 27th, waiting to be collected!  [eek]
Astonishing shipping times! 4 days over Christmas from the US to Germany!

Can't wait to get my hands & saw on the product!  [cool] [big grin]

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #266 on: December 28, 2016, 06:12 PM »
The week after Thanksgiving I built a fireplace mantle using the square, rail, and Ts-55.  Seems that I forgot to get my Kapex out of the office that morning.  Worked great on the simple mantle.  Hope that you get the same results that I have.

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #267 on: December 28, 2016, 06:41 PM »
I have been using the square for a couple of months now and had good results.  It cuts good and square, as good as the mft with dogs or the Festool fence.

Its so flexible that its the first thing i reach for if I will be doing the cut only once or twice and don't need to set a stop.

And it is a big help when your mft is loaded with other stuff or has a setup you don't want to break down yet.

Maybe the best bang for the buck of any festool related product I've bought.

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #268 on: December 28, 2016, 08:05 PM »
Thinking I might need to give this a go. One of these combined with my Woodpeckers bench rule with the stop might just eliminate my parallel guide set.

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« Reply #269 on: December 28, 2016, 08:42 PM »
Thinking I might need to give this a go. One of these combined with my Woodpeckers bench rule with the stop might just eliminate my parallel guide set.
That was what I was thinking...