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Offline clark_fork

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2016, 01:40 PM »
After I posted my comment on a mirror image square for the opposite end (not for everyone's usage of course and would only be of use if the sheet or workpiece had two parallel edges) I realized that would probably preclude the use of the 2700 rail on a 4 x 8 sheet of plywood and the 1400 as a crosscut unless it was of a different and smaller design.

Peter

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What if you cleaned up the factory edge of the far side?

You have used it. Is it possible to slide the guide in and use the bottom against the far side of the cut?

Instead of a triangle, could it be made square with two long sides so they could be used on both ends of the cut? This would solve the mirror image?

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2016, 02:06 PM »
After I posted my comment on a mirror image square for the opposite end (not for everyone's usage of course and would only be of use if the sheet or workpiece had two parallel edges) I realized that would probably preclude the use of the 2700 rail on a 4 x 8 sheet of plywood and the 1400 as a crosscut unless it was of a different and smaller design.

Peter

Peter:
What if you cleaned up the factory edge of the far side?

You have used it. Is it possible to slide the guide in and use the bottom against the far side of the cut?

Instead of a triangle, could it be made square with two long sides so they could be used on both ends of the cut? This would solve the mirror image?

Clark
I'll take a picture later on today  of such a Square we already made here and see if there is interest
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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #32 on: July 11, 2016, 02:49 PM »
Clark
I'll take a picture later on today  of such a Square we already made here and see if there is interest
Klemm

Congratulations on such a rapid development and release. I'm sorry my schedule didn't allow me to be more involved. You've got a nice, solid design. I like it.

I don't want to say too much in an open forum, but I believe you could make the existing design be either right- or left-handed by just increasing its length a little, and permitting the clamp to be unscrewed and reversed. This way, the user can decide. If you need further explanation, shoot me an email.

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2016, 03:31 PM »
I'd be happy with something on the other end a little like the under rail trigger clamp.

I'll play with it when I get my square.

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2016, 05:15 PM »
Clark
I'll take a picture later on today  of such a Square we already made here and see if there is interest
Klemm

Congratulations on such a rapid development and release. I'm sorry my schedule didn't allow me to be more involved. You've got a nice, solid design. I like it.

I don't want to say too much in an open forum, but I believe you could make the existing design be either right- or left-handed by just increasing its length a little, and permitting the clamp to be unscrewed and reversed. This way, the user can decide. If you need further explanation, shoot me an email.

the pictures show both our current GRS-16 Square (anodized blue) and an earlier development version in bare machined aluminum. As you can see, the rectangular shape allows its use either left or right hand with one tool. We can build a lighter weight version with this feature if there is an indication of strong interest. We might come up with a "set" and offer the  better "set price" to all who ordered the current product prior to the LEFT/RIGHT Dual use version becoming available.

Let us hear from you all
Klemm
PS: the compliments from you folks with your own successful development experience is especially appreciated - thank you!
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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2016, 06:28 PM »
Clark
I'll take a picture later on today  of such a Square we already made here and see if there is interest
Klemm

Congratulations on such a rapid development and release. I'm sorry my schedule didn't allow me to be more involved. You've got a nice, solid design. I like it.

I don't want to say too much in an open forum, but I believe you could make the existing design be either right- or left-handed by just increasing its length a little, and permitting the clamp to be unscrewed and reversed. This way, the user can decide. If you need further explanation, shoot me an email.

the pictures show both our current GRS-16 Square (anodized blue) and an earlier development version in bare machined aluminum. As you can see, the rectangular shape allows its use either left or right hand with one tool. We can build a lighter weight version with this feature if there is an indication of strong interest. We might come up with a "set" and offer the  better "set price" to all who ordered the current product prior to the LEFT/RIGHT Dual use version becoming available.

Let us hear from you all
Klemm
PS: the compliments from you folks with your own successful development experience is especially appreciated - thank you!

Can we see the rest of the prototype? (The bottom ? ) Looks a little clunky.  I favor  a dual version with the more streamlined look of the GRS-16 Guide, perhaps in a rectangular form.

I definitely think a dual version would be helpful.
Clark Fork

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #36 on: July 11, 2016, 07:14 PM »
Clark
functionally, the rest of the Prototype is identical to the current product. Only the "streamlined" form needs to be replicated in a rectangle instead of a triangle.
Give us a little time to get going on that - we still need to catch up with our online functionality, and an updated video among other tasks
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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #37 on: July 11, 2016, 07:34 PM »
Interested in a set - already ordered your production unit.
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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #38 on: July 11, 2016, 08:31 PM »
Yes, definitely a systainer insert is in order here [thumbs up]
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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #39 on: July 11, 2016, 08:58 PM »
While I can see the functionality of the square version I can say that based on my usage - out on site and wanting to have something to throw in a pouch I wouldn't buy that one.  Personally I think that it might be an idea for a  second product.

Respectfully,

Peter
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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #40 on: July 11, 2016, 10:17 PM »
Yes, definitely a systainer insert is in order here [thumbs up]

 any other votes for a Systainer sized molded EPS filler to store GRS-16 Guide Rail Square?
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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #41 on: July 12, 2016, 06:51 AM »
If reasonably priced yes I'd want a foam insert - $15-20.
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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #42 on: July 12, 2016, 07:00 AM »
Yes, definitely a systainer insert is in order here [thumbs up]

 any other votes for a Systainer sized molded EPS filler to store GRS-16 Guide Rail Square?
Klemm

Yes, why the heck not .. ?

For what it's worth I'm contemplating the idea of building storage with variable height drawers with an internal footprint that is systainer compatible. This would mean that I'd move all of my systainer inserts with tools and accessories into simple drawers.

.. it's just a working thought, but either way .. a protective tray of some sort to look after a valuable investment makes a lot of good sense [wink]

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #43 on: July 12, 2016, 08:06 AM »
This product looks awesome well done

Ill be getting one in the next day or so

Cheers

Bryan

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #44 on: July 12, 2016, 02:11 PM »
Would a larger version which could fit in a midi be more stable or accurate? I would switch my order to that one assuming the price difference was not too great.

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #45 on: July 12, 2016, 03:06 PM »
Yes, definitely a systainer insert is in order here [thumbs up]

 any other votes for a Systainer sized molded EPS filler to store GRS-16 Guide Rail Square?
Klemm

Add me to the vote!!

Dale

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #46 on: July 12, 2016, 05:08 PM »
any other votes for a Systainer sized molded EPS filler to store GRS-16 Guide Rail Square?
Klemm

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #47 on: July 12, 2016, 09:45 PM »
I have had a chance to play around with this squaring device and I can confidently say it is both very accurate AND the installation is nearly instant. Just slide it onto the track, engage the clamp/toggle and you're good to go! While this will of course be great for cross cutting larger sheets and panels, I think this is going to be particularly handy for cross cutting smaller work pieces.

The square is sized such that it will just fit into a Systainer, great planning! I'm excited to see more of these out on job sites, I'd put this in the "Must Have" column of your accessories wish list.
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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #48 on: July 13, 2016, 07:50 AM »
Clark
functionally, the rest of the Prototype is identical to the current product. Only the "streamlined" form needs to be replicated in a rectangle instead of a triangle.
Give us a little time to get going on that - we still need to catch up with our online functionality, and an updated video among other tasks
Klemm

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l can See a few use for Square plate So you Can reference it off the top of the panel .

you have already Scribed your panel or kick to the floor in a kitchen so you cant reference off that face toget a Square cut if it can go of the top of the panel

that would be awesome.
IS there any Chance these Will be made?

cheers Bryan

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #49 on: July 13, 2016, 10:58 AM »


in response to the interest for an additional model with two parallel edges we will definitely introduce this version with retro-active "set-pricing" for purchasers of the current standard GRS-16 after some questions have been answered with input from customers and FOG members:
How much interest / need is there for the ability to store the set of Standard GRS-16 and the new "GRS-16PE Parallel Edge" in one taller Systainer standing diagonally on edge? When designing for this confined space every millimeter starts to count. With flat bottoms the pair can be stored back-to-back minimizing the combined diagonal length but we're really, really tight.

More comments, please!
Klemm


@TSO Products

l can See a few use for Square plate So you Can reference it off the top of the panel .

you have already Scribed your panel or kick to the floor in a kitchen so you cant reference off that face to get a Square cut if it can go of the top of the panel

that would be awesome.
IS there any Chance these Will be made?

cheers Bryan
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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #50 on: July 13, 2016, 03:44 PM »
@TSO Products I would be definitely interested in the set.  What is your eta in the availability of the unit?  Better to wait till you have both ?
Also would definitely like the systainer insert.
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« Reply #51 on: July 13, 2016, 08:54 PM »
@TSO Products I would be definitely interested in the set.  What is your eta in the availability of the unit?  Better to wait till you have both ?
Also would definitely like the systainer insert.

at this early stage I would suggest ordering what is available now since you will be able to get the special set price as long as you order it within a reasonably short time after it is introduced for sale probably early fall.
Systainer storge option is being worked as  I write this.
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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #52 on: July 14, 2016, 12:07 AM »
Received mine today.  Great product and amazingly easy to install and maintain a rigid square!

Thanks for coming up with this!


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« Reply #53 on: July 14, 2016, 02:45 AM »
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Do you thing there's any chance that you'd be able to shape the Systainer insert in a way that it can support both versions (current and looming) so that they both stack safely into one Systainer?

(One flush and the larger area one slightly raised and supported on some of its edges)
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« Reply #54 on: July 14, 2016, 04:09 AM »
I like your idea.  I would think a design mentioned by others to be ablle to use either at worker's end or far end would be handier. 
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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #55 on: July 15, 2016, 02:48 PM »
this weekend will see a number of woodworkers having their first opportunity to try out the GRS-16 Guid Rail Square - just like Neil reported. We appreciate the feedback, compliments and suggestions! - thank you all!
The next product,  GRS-16 PE Parallel Edge Square , is expected to store as a set, back-to-back in a Systainer 2 on edge.

One important step all of you can take is to help and spread the word in social media, INSTAGRAM especially.
The more people are aware and buying, the more practical it becomes to offer solutions. - every  CLICK counts  [smile]
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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #56 on: July 15, 2016, 03:04 PM »
@TSO Products

Received mine yesterday and immediately ran out to the shop and clicked it onto a rail to admire, then repeated to myself "great design"! I had fiddled with a design of my own about a year ago but never liked the outcome and just let it linger (while still using the prototype). Typical CNC prototype costs, if I had ordered 1 unit it would cost me a couple hundred bucks, if I ordered 10 they were only 2X the single unit cost. Figured I would sell off the extra 8 and recoup my $$ but never got around to it. Oops.

My next thought was "Now what the heck am I going to do with the 10 squares I have?" Oh well...  [doh]

My last thought was, "Boy, I'm glad I'm not waiting for the WoodPeckers OTT version to show up!"  [poke]

Best of luck with your creations.

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #57 on: July 15, 2016, 03:34 PM »
Richard,
I figured you'd be out on your deck by now with your new Square:)
nice to hear from someone who knows first hand what it takes to develop a product and bring it to market. We are firm believers in having the product in production before we take orders. 'nuff said!

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« Reply #58 on: July 15, 2016, 04:16 PM »
Richard,
I figured you'd be out on your deck by now with your new Square:)
nice to hear from someone who knows first hand what it takes to develop a product and bring it to market. We are firm believers in having the product in production before we take orders. 'nuff said!

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #59 on: July 15, 2016, 04:24 PM »
Richard,
I figured you'd be out on your deck by now with your new Square:)
nice to hear from someone who knows first hand what it takes to develop a product and bring it to market. We are firm believers in having the product in production before we take orders. 'nuff said!

Klemm

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... it's pretty bad when you order a tool from (let's just call them) company 'W" and a real decision factor is "will I still want it and will I still be around when it finally arrives?" [eek]

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