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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #300 on: February 25, 2017, 08:33 PM »
My PE arrived yesterday and I put it to work today. Thanks TSO, and great job, this will be a very useful addition for me.

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #301 on: February 25, 2017, 08:57 PM »
our products work well because they are based on YOUR  input, -users in the field who know what is needed and share it with us. This connection with customers is one of the benefits of selling direct. We can take credit for actively "listening" and doing our best to integrate all the suggestions into beneficial product features.

One other ingredient that makes us tick is the expressions of appreciation we regularly receive  from customers - just scroll back through this thread and you'll see plenty of evidence.
thank you all for cheering us on!

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #302 on: February 27, 2017, 09:31 PM »
Fitting the latest GRS-16 PEs into Systainer Classic with a TS-55 does not work - but it does work with the current Systainer TL.
We wonder how many TS-55 users wish their older Systainer CLASSIC would accomodate our Guide Rail Square?

Comments anyone?
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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #303 on: February 28, 2017, 03:38 PM »
Would be nice, but what would the drawback be in the design ?

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #304 on: February 28, 2017, 08:44 PM »
Would be nice, but what would the drawback be in the design ?
@mwildt  - no drawback other than another very minor design change. But if there is no meaningful demand for the change, it would not pay us to go to the expense involved along with all the required  backup engineering documentation.

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #305 on: March 01, 2017, 12:18 AM »
I am (one of) the person who noticed the issue with a classic Systainer and I want to say that Hans at TSO has been nothing short of amazing in establishing a dialog about the issues involved. This is a proactive company. I had an original GRS-16PE (the two sided unit) which wouldn't fit in a systainer (this is well documented on their website) and was sent an updated, GRS-16PEs slightly shorter unit to try. It misses fitting in a classic with a track saw inside by about 1/8". I find the build quality and accuracy of the square to be impeccable and will continue to recommend it to others who might still be using a TS55 in an old style systainer.


Of course if you are using additional classic systainers to transport non-Festool items the square will fit in at a slight angle set on edge. You would need to verify the height required.


I am looking forward to the accessories being developed for the square.



Jim

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #306 on: March 01, 2017, 04:28 PM »
Hello all,

First post! w00t!

question about the GRS-16/PE:

1.  Could I use this to rip a parallel edge on lumber?  I'm a hybrid tool guy so I dimension my lumber using hand planes.  Once I get a reference edge, I would establish the length of the board using the GRS-16 as a guide to create a square cut.  Once I have a square 'end' then I would use that end to create a parallel edge from the reference edge.  Is this a good idea?

2.  What's the tolerance of the guide?  How much track span (I have a 75" and a 55" tracks I connect) before I start to go out of square? 

Thoughts?  Opinions? 

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #307 on: March 01, 2017, 04:57 PM »
Hello all,

First post! w00t!

question about the GRS-16/PE:

1.  Could I use this to rip a parallel edge on lumber?  I'm a hybrid tool guy so I dimension my lumber using hand planes.  Once I get a reference edge, I would establish the length of the board using the GRS-16 as a guide to create a square cut.  Once I have a square 'end' then I would use that end to create a parallel edge from the reference edge.  Is this a good idea?

2.  What's the tolerance of the guide?  How much track span (I have a 75" and a 55" tracks I connect) before I start to go out of square? 

Thoughts?  Opinions?

  Welcome to the forum!

I don't think that would be a good method to parallel rip a board. You would be using a very short reference (end of a board)       to square a  very long dimension. Lots of room for a very small error to become a very big error.

Seth

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #308 on: March 02, 2017, 12:33 PM »
  Welcome to the forum!

I don't think that would be a good method to parallel rip a board. You would be using a very short reference (end of a board)       to square a  very long dimension. Lots of room for a very small error to become a very big error.

Seth

Thanks for the reply and the welcome!  That's good to know, actually.  I guess I'll be using my tape measure and good old fashion elbow grease to do so.  :)

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #309 on: March 02, 2017, 01:52 PM »
  Welcome to the forum!

I don't think that would be a good method to parallel rip a board. You would be using a very short reference (end of a board)       to square a  very long dimension. Lots of room for a very small error to become a very big error.

Seth

Thanks for the reply and the welcome!  That's good to know, actually.  I guess I'll be using my tape measure and good old fashion elbow grease to do so.  :)

Or, you could make (or purchase) a parallel guide for your saw. Lots of info here on the forum on parallel guides...
Looks like your rabbit joint is a hare off! ;)

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #310 on: March 03, 2017, 03:53 PM »
I am (one of) the person who noticed the issue with a classic Systainer and I want to say that Hans at TSO has been nothing short of amazing in establishing a dialog about the issues involved. This is a proactive company. I had an original GRS-16PE (the two sided unit) which wouldn't fit in a systainer (this is well documented on their website) and was sent an updated, GRS-16PEs slightly shorter unit to try. It misses fitting in a classic with a track saw inside by about 1/8". I find the build quality and accuracy of the square to be impeccable and will continue to recommend it to others who might still be using a TS55 in an old style systainer.


Of course if you are using additional classic systainers to transport non-Festool items the square will fit in at a slight angle set on edge. You would need to verify the height required.


I am looking forward to the accessories being developed for the square.



Jim

Jim, you are lucky to have an updated version of the PE square. I jumped  and bought both when released to get promotional price. Now I see those prices are normal cost. In hindsight I should have waited as the updated version solves the storage issue and has the accessories fixing points which can be added to the older models. Nevermind, its a fantastic product that I am glad I have.

Jim could you take a pic of both older and newer version next to each other so I can see the differences including the size of each.

Tariq

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #311 on: March 03, 2017, 04:42 PM »
Tariq,


Sorry I can't, I sent the original back.


The two differences are the addition of 2 threaded holes (I believe there will be instructions posted for you to be able to add these yourself) and the reduction in length that is in the section of the square that goes under the track itself.


What I failed to notice but just checked out is that the unit will fit easily in the track transport bag. It is narrower than the rails themselves so if you are transporting rails to a job site just put the square in the bag.


Jim




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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #312 on: March 03, 2017, 04:48 PM »
  Welcome to the forum!

I don't think that would be a good method to parallel rip a board. You would be using a very short reference (end of a board)       to square a  very long dimension. Lots of room for a very small error to become a very big error.

Seth

Thanks for the reply and the welcome!  That's good to know, actually.  I guess I'll be using my tape measure and good old fashion elbow grease to do so.  :)

Two accurate marks place the guide rail and cut. No need for much elbow grease  [smile]

Seth

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #313 on: March 31, 2017, 11:33 PM »
Sorry if this has been asked already or is an obvious no... Can the square be used with a 55" guide rail to crosscut a full 48" sheet of plywood? I find i only have 3" or so hanging off each end but the square looks much wider than that.

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #314 on: April 01, 2017, 11:15 PM »
Sorry if this has been asked already or is an obvious no... Can the square be used with a 55" guide rail to crosscut a full 48" sheet of plywood? I find i only have 3" or so hanging off each end but the square looks much wider than that.

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@sheperd80  I don't see how you would have enough room to staart the saw before entering the cut (7 inches) and then have track overhanging the end of the cut  so you can support the saw after the cut has been completed.
- you ask a question which I recently saw dealt with exhaustively on the FOG. Perhaps  moderator Seth can add to it.The conclusion, if I recall correctly, is that you really want to buy a longer rail in the first place. Sounds like it's too late for you as it was for me.
Reminds I need to order a longer rail myself :)
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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #315 on: April 01, 2017, 11:34 PM »
Sorry if this has been asked already or is an obvious no... Can the square be used with a 55" guide rail to crosscut a full 48" sheet of plywood? I find i only have 3" or so hanging off each end but the square looks much wider than that.

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@sheperd80  I don't see how you would have enough room to staart the saw before entering the cut (7 inches) and then have track overhanging the end of the cut  so you can support the saw after the cut has been completed.
- you ask a question which I recently saw dealt with exhaustively on the FOG. Perhaps  moderator Seth can add to it.The conclusion, if I recall correctly, is that you really want to buy a longer rail in the first place. Sounds like it's too late for you as it was for me.
Reminds I need to order a longer rail myself :)
Hans
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Thanks, i was afraid youd say that. Looks like a longer rail is in my future.

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #316 on: April 01, 2017, 11:39 PM »
- I should have ordered mine yesterday at the old price  [sad]

Hans
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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #317 on: April 01, 2017, 11:40 PM »
Sorry if this has been asked already or is an obvious no... Can the square be used with a 55" guide rail to crosscut a full 48" sheet of plywood? I find i only have 3" or so hanging off each end but the square looks much wider than that.

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@sheperd80  I don't see how you would have enough room to staart the saw before entering the cut (7 inches) and then have track overhanging the end of the cut  so you can support the saw after the cut has been completed.
- you ask a question which I recently saw dealt with exhaustively on the FOG. Perhaps  moderator Seth can add to it.The conclusion, if I recall correctly, is that you really want to buy a longer rail in the first place. Sounds like it's too late for you as it was for me.
Reminds I need to order a longer rail myself :)
Hans
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Thanks, i was afraid youd say that. Looks like a longer rail is in my future.

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Going to need a longer rail for 48" cuts with the TSO square. Get the 75" you will like it better for those crosscuts anyway.  [wink]  And it is handy for many in between length cuts.

Seth

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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #318 on: April 17, 2017, 01:38 PM »
OVer the past two weekends I have put the TSO GRS16 through it's paces while building a new vanity for my bathroom.  This thing is spot on square every single time. 

I've used it for both making cuts with the saw, and cutting Dadoes with the router.

Fantastic accessory. 
Turning perfectly good lumber into scrap and sawdust for more than 20 years!

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« Reply #319 on: April 17, 2017, 07:28 PM »
@Neal W - your comments are appreciated - not only by us as the manufacturer but also by other woodworkers as they try to assess the utility and benefits of a purchase  they are considering.
The widespread and consistently positive comments give many the confidence to make purchase they will enjoy for a long time,

Another reason to read and post on the FOG - what a great resource this is for all of us - and thanks to the volunteer moderators for their unfailing attention and support!
thank you
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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #320 on: May 02, 2017, 07:12 AM »
Apologies if this has been asked and answered already, but I'm comparing the GRS-PE with the original version.  I understand the back edge referencing that the PE enabled, but I'm wondering if there are any situations where I would want the regular version rather than the PE -- just trying to decide which one to get.  Thanks.
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Re: A New Rail Square Coming to Market - Teaser for Future Review
« Reply #321 on: May 02, 2017, 07:24 AM »
Apologies if this has been asked and answered already, but I'm comparing the GRS-PE with the original version.  I understand the back edge referencing that the PE enabled, but I'm wondering if there are any situations where I would want the regular version rather than the PE -- just trying to decide which one to get.  Thanks.

They have a sale on a combo set going on now. One for the shop, one for the field.

Takes the brainwork/decision making process out of the equation. :)

Tom