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Title: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on November 22, 2016, 05:13 PM
For you guys who appreciate the Systainer system, here are two new compressors coming from Cadex that will be in Systainers. The 1HP model will feature 1.9CFM at 90PSI and come in a SYS 3, available in February 2017. The 1½HP model will have 3.8CFM at 90PSI and come in a SYS 4, available in Spring 2017. You can pre-order the Cadex Systainer Compressors (http://www.toolnut.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=cadex+compressor) now from The Tool Nut.

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Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: Steve Rowe on November 22, 2016, 05:40 PM
Neat.  How does the noise level compare to the Rolair JC-10 compressor?
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: Samo on November 22, 2016, 06:33 PM
Yes, and will the 1-1/2 hp run on a 15 amp circuit without tripping the breaker?
Low amp draw motor?

Prices are steep, so want to know more about the build quality.
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: Scarpia on November 22, 2016, 07:08 PM
Here is a  short video from someone's instagram account https://www.instagram.com/p/BMozJWND8zC/?taken-by=krugerconstruction
(I hope it works for non-instagram account holders)
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: Sean Ackerman on November 22, 2016, 09:44 PM
Gents, we'll get you some of those answers ASAP or potentially get a Cadex rep in here soon 'nuff.
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: Nat X on November 22, 2016, 10:23 PM
I've busted so many Systainers I'm not sure I could even consider paying this much for something that lives inside a heavily customized one I couldn't replace easily. They just aren't that durable.
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on November 23, 2016, 08:35 AM
Neat.  How does the noise level compare to the Rolair JC-10 compressor?

@Steve Rowe, the JC10 is 62db and this unit is 68db, so very similar.

So what do the insides look like?

@bnaboatbuilder, I'm pretty sure this is a pre-production model. So, there will likely be some minor changes and refinements. Adding a photo of the inside below.

Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: 2ooladdict on November 23, 2016, 09:10 AM
Db is a logarithmic scale so roughly speaking at these levels a 10db difference makes the noise level double. Difference between 62 and 68 should be seen in this context.
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on November 23, 2016, 09:12 AM
Db is a logarithmic scale so roughly speaking at these levels a 10db difference makes the noise level double. Difference between 62 and 68 should be seen in this context.

True, it is logarithmic. But, at lower levels, the curve is more flat, so the change is less drastic. It's 6dB more than the JC10. An increase of 3 dB is barely perceptible to the human ear.

For more context, 60-70db is the level of a normal conversation or soft music. I think the video shows the sound level pretty well.
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on November 23, 2016, 11:24 AM
Yes, and will the 1-1/2 hp run on a 15 amp circuit without tripping the breaker?
Low amp draw motor?

@Samo, got a response from Cadex. They say that both models will run on a 15A circuit without issues.

To add some new info, the SYS3 will have a ½-gallon tank and the SYS4 will have a 1½-gallon tank capacity.
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on November 23, 2016, 01:38 PM
I'm pretty sure this is a pre-production model. So, there will likely be some minor changes and refinements. Adding a photo of the inside below.

Confirmed, the photos are of a pre-production model that was made just for demo at STAFDA.
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: CadexJamie on November 23, 2016, 04:40 PM
Jamie from Cadex here. The new compressor in Systainer case will be here in February and will be slightly different than the one pictured. It will have a grey lid and different gauges on it plus a lighted switch. These units are very quiet and the quality is very high. Duty cycle is 60% rather than 40% or less that is seen on most units in the construction field. The compressor may be used at at 100% duty cycle for up to 3 hours. There is virtually no vibration as the pumps and motors are balanced so as to eliminate this.
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: rnt80 on November 23, 2016, 10:15 PM
For the record I am ready for this now.  After loading and unloading my van, including my 40+ pound awkward to carry jc10, ten times in the last three days I am really looking forward to something that fits into the systainer system.
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: sigmatango on November 23, 2016, 10:21 PM
Available in Canada too?
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: mattdh on November 24, 2016, 12:22 AM
there is a weight spec on the sys 3 - do you have a weight on the sys 4 version?  thanks!
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: Pykie on November 24, 2016, 03:17 AM
Any plan to make them in 230-240v?
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on November 24, 2016, 05:08 PM
@CadexJamie Tagging Jamie so he sees everyone's questions.

Also, here's another video (with Jamie) talking about this new compressor. Thanks for the orders so far. If you pre-order, we will not charge your card until it ships.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf5mGo0KSXs
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: CadexJamie on November 24, 2016, 05:39 PM
The compressors from Cadex in Systainer cases will be available in Canada. We will make a 220 volt version in 50 Hz for overseas markets. This one will be ready in March 2017. Currently most of the first order are sold. Toolnut.com still has availability for delivery in February.
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: antss on November 24, 2016, 05:50 PM
Does that mean you'll actually be able to deliver all of the pre orders in March that Shane takes ?

Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: Steve Rowe on November 24, 2016, 05:59 PM
Just a thought to ponder: It is interesting that Cadex can figure out a way to get a compressor in a systainer to North America but Festool can't figure a way to get a vacuum pump in a systainer to North America.
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: antss on November 24, 2016, 08:33 PM
I think it's more a question of economics Steve.

Cadex pretty much has a potential customer for everyone that buys one of their nailers and will likely sell a lot of these things to non Festool customers as well as their own nail gun buyers.

Festool Vac SYS has got to be a low volume item and is not really applicable across the entire product line.  I wouldn't use one if you gave it to me for any operation we bill customers for.  I'll wager the amount of non Festool customers that buy a vac sys is pretty close to none.

So, given the UL approval process and cost it's most likely FT feels it's not worth it given sales numbers.
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: DashZero on April 24, 2017, 05:29 PM
What is the status of these?
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on April 24, 2017, 07:29 PM
What is the status of these?

@DashZero

The latest information that I got from Cadex was that they were expected to be available some time in mid-to-late May. However, the launch date has been changed a few times, so we temporarily stopped taking orders for them until we had a solid date for our customers.

Shane
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: antss on April 30, 2017, 07:35 PM
Perhaps you could get Jamie to return and talk about what the production model actually has in terms of features and looks ?

That is if it's actually in production.  [unsure].

First it was Feb. then March. Now it's late May which I'm sure means June. I understand manufacturing ; and that targets move. But , to be off by two quarters usually means there's a problem with the design - or - marketing sold everyone a bill of goods. 
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: jdm5 on June 11, 2017, 06:54 AM
Hi @Shane Holland - just curious if you had any updates on availability on these.  I'd ordered, then cancelled due to delays but would consider it again - it keeps seeming like something I could really use.

Let us know - thanks!
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on June 11, 2017, 10:13 AM
@jdm5 the latest info from Cadex is a September availability. But they have also changed the launch date multiple times at this point so we will not take orders until we have them sitting in our warehouse. I will keep everyone posted. Thanks.
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: antss on June 20, 2017, 06:09 PM
@CadexJamie   @Shane Holland

Perhaps it's time for Jamie to come back and give us an update.  What's the status on these things ?  Why has delivery been delayed soooooo long ? Projection has been missed three times already and is logging six months.

Was or is this vapor ware ?  I don't think you're doing anyone any favors by dangling a product in front of qualified and market making customers, then stringing them along.  You should NEVER over promise and under deliver.  It's the biggest sin a salesman can make.   

Perhaps a realistic pitch should have been made:   " this is a prototype , what do you think ?  If we get enough interest, we'll put it into production. "
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: CadexJamie on June 20, 2017, 06:43 PM
It's been a lot longer than the factory thought due to sourcing motor components that are UL and CSA approved. Cadex Systainer compressors are in production now and are shipping in late August with a due date of late September. The two units I have here in Vancouver are great and preform exceptionally. Cheers
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: antss on June 21, 2017, 01:48 PM
Bravo .

Thanks for the update.

So in a nutshell , the impediment was government regulation .
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: ben_r_ on June 21, 2017, 10:38 PM
Do we know what the retail cost of these will be?
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on June 21, 2017, 10:44 PM
Do we know what the retail cost of these will be?

@ben_r_ we were taking preorders at $499 for the 1hp, $639 for the 1-1/2hp.
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: jdm5 on September 14, 2017, 04:10 PM
Any updates?
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: antss on September 14, 2017, 10:23 PM
They were supposed to shop last month, but there have been at least four delays on this project so far.

Might make a nice Xmas gift.


Next year  [tongue]
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on September 15, 2017, 08:25 AM
@CadexJamie, can you offer the forum members an update please?
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on September 15, 2017, 02:16 PM
Jamie responded to my email inquiry for an update.

He said the latest information is that they will be delivered to Cadex at the end of October from their manufacturer.

Shane
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: Jozsef Kozma on September 15, 2017, 07:10 PM
I hate to say it ,but I don't believe
anything they say anymore
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: ben_r_ on September 15, 2017, 08:23 PM
I hate to say it ,but I don't believe
anything they say anymore
Nope, I gave up waiting and got a very nice, much more powerful, with a larger tank, cheaper, super quiet and very light weight California Air Tools compressor and haven't looked back.
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: Jozsef Kozma on September 16, 2017, 01:52 PM
Which model
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: antss on October 12, 2017, 10:02 PM
Hey Shane , what is Caddx saying is responsible for all the delays?

Not only are they numerous, the length of them is substantial too. 

Are these things getting rushed to market as soon as they can be built or are there actual production models being tested out in the real world ?
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 12, 2017, 10:06 PM
Hey Shane , what is Caddx saying is responsible for all the delays?

I would have to defer to @CadexJamie to comment on the reason for delays and what steps are being done prior to introduction to the market.

Latest I have seen is their Instagram post that these would be available in September.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BVaW5IygSVY/?taken-by=cadextools

But I have not been contacted by Cadex about their availability yet.

Shane
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: Cheese on October 13, 2017, 12:35 AM
I have no affiliation with Cadex, and will in all likelihood probably not purchase their new compressor, however, introducing new product into the marketplace is not an easy task, especially if you want to do due diligence and ensure the newly released product will perform to the customer's expectation level.

I understand that once a new product is announced, everyone wants to purchase it, however, even after the announcement, there will still be some alpha and beta testing of the product, and any issues found in the initial testing phases will still need to be addressed from an engineering/manufacturing/quality analysis view point. This stuff all takes time...if it was simple everyone in the world would be producing salable product.

My thought process is that it's better to have product delivered late that WORKS, than product that's delivered on time that FAILS.

Hmmmmm......Kapex just crossed my mind....
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: antss on October 13, 2017, 11:13 AM
Coming from a manufacturing family, I understand what it takes to get a widget into the hands of a buyer.

What I cannot stand though is marketing with their glass half full mentality telling everyone the widget will go on sale next March, then in May telling everyone it will be Q3 only to say on Xmas eve it'll be next year.   Then nothing , then we have a big splash saying it's finally here , you can have one in Sept., I'm looking at one right now.  And six weeks later what do we have ........................

I saw better vaporware delivery times during the .com bubble days.
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: scary on October 23, 2017, 05:03 PM
90psi?? What can i do with that,almost set a brad?
When you order them do you pay fir them then or when they ship?
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 23, 2017, 05:09 PM
When you order them do you pay fir them then or when they ship?

We will not be accepting any orders for these until they are in stock and ready to ship. Credit cards are billed when product(s) ship from us.

Shane
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: antss on October 23, 2017, 06:12 PM
Shane - have you heard from Cadex on this lately ?

Seems we are back on the merry go round.   [unsure]

They were coming in September, then October for sure; as Cadex man had actually seen a unicorn.   October is over within a couple of days.   Is xmas (next) hoping for too much ?
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: Peter Halle on October 23, 2017, 06:38 PM
Shane - have you heard from Cadex on this lately ?

Seems we are back on the merry go round.   [unsure]

They were coming in September, then October for sure; as Cadex man had actually seen a unicorn.   October is over within a couple of days.   Is xmas (next) hoping for too much ?

Didn't you read Shane's last post?  That seemed to me at least that there wasn't any more info available.

Peter
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: antss on October 23, 2017, 07:13 PM
No Peter,  Shane said he didn't have them in stock.

He didn't say anything about a new release date - which is why I asked.   The last news was it would be available in October.   And that doesn't look promising .
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: Shane Holland on October 23, 2017, 07:24 PM
No new information on an ETA. I will be sure to announce broadly once we have them in stock and ready to ship.
Title: Re: Cadex Systainer Compressors Available for Pre-order! (US)
Post by: Jozsef Kozma on October 23, 2017, 09:36 PM
Just to clarify Shane this company is putting you in
a sticky situation
Don’t let them ruin your reputation
This units were already on preorder a year ago
Some people paid for it full and then approximately 5 months
after they paid for it your company announces sorry