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Offline Shane Holland

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Festool Metal-Cutting Blades Discontinued (US)
« on: August 01, 2016, 11:07 AM »
All saw blades intended for cutting metal on the TS 55, TS 75 and Kapex saws have been discontinued, effective immediately. Festool no longer offers the spark trap in the U.S., which is intended to arrest any hot metal particles from entering the dust extractor and possibly becoming a fire hazard.

495383   Saw blade Alu/Plastic 72t
495384   Saw blade steel 36t
495385   Saw blade aluminum 68t
496307   Saw Blade Alu/Plastic 52t

Note that we do have blades from other manufacturers that fit these saw and are designed for cutting metal. Use caution when cutting metal and it's best if you do not use dust extraction to prevent a risk of fire.
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Re: Festool Metal-Cutting Blades Discontinued (US)
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2016, 11:17 AM »
Do this mean dealer stock has to be returned to Festool rather than selling out?

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Re: Festool Metal-Cutting Blades Discontinued (US)
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2016, 11:20 AM »
Do this mean dealer stock has to be returned to Festool rather than selling out?

Michael, there's not a requirement for inventory to be returned. However, Festool has not shipped these blades for many months now. So, most dealers are likely sold out of them.

Like I said, we have the equivalent blades from another manufacturer on our website. Searching the Festool product number will show them.
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Re: Festool Metal-Cutting Blades Discontinued (US)
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2016, 03:56 PM »
@Shane Holland is there a story behind the spark trap being taken off sale? Seems Festool are removing more products from the US than they're releasing.

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Re: Festool Metal-Cutting Blades Discontinued (US)
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2016, 03:58 PM »
@Shane Holland is there a story behind the spark trap being taken off sale? Seems Festool are removing more products from the US than they're releasing.

@Kev, no reason or info was given about why it was discontinued. The spark trap was actually dropped last October in the U.S.

If I had to take a guess, I would say lack of interest/sales.
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Re: Festool Metal-Cutting Blades Discontinued (US)
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2016, 03:59 PM »
FWIW...These blades are getting harder to find than the MFS Templates. [crying]

I tried 4 local distributors including Woodcraft...nada. Woodcraft said that Festool Germany was no longer shipping the blades to Festool USA. So Woodcraft sold their last two Kapex 495385 blades 2 weeks ago.

I then tried Bob Marino, Toolnut, The Tool Barn, U.S. Tool & Fastener...all backordered (which is pretty much equivalent to unavailable) or unavailable.

Finally from Woodwork PRO on Amazon I managed to order one of the few blades they still have in stock.

Just wondering @TylerC if this is a discontinued US item only, or is it worldwide?

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Re: Festool Metal-Cutting Blades Discontinued (US)
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2016, 04:01 PM »
@Cheese, like I said, we do have metal cutting blades that will work from another manufacturer. We haven't received any of the Festool branded blades for many months. Maybe even as far back as the beginning of the year.
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Re: Festool Metal-Cutting Blades Discontinued (US)
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2016, 04:13 PM »
@Cheese, like I said, we do have metal cutting blades that will work from another manufacturer. We haven't received any of the Festool branded blades for many months. Maybe even as far back as the beginning of the year.

Hey Shane, Woodcraft said that they were going to start sourcing Tenryu blades for the Kapex & track saws and noted that Festool USA wasn't very happy with that decision.

I'm just curious if Amana manufactures an aluminum blade and if so do you know the kerf size?

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« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2016, 04:15 PM »
FWIW...These blades are getting harder to find than the MFS Templates. [crying]

I tried 4 local distributors including Woodcraft...nada. Woodcraft said that Festool Germany was no longer shipping the blades to Festool USA. So Woodcraft sold their last two Kapex 495385 blades 2 weeks ago.

I then tried Bob Marino, Toolnut, The Tool Barn, U.S. Tool & Fastener...all backordered (which is pretty much equivalent to unavailable) or unavailable.

Finally from Woodwork PRO on Amazon I managed to order one of the few blades they still have in stock.

Just wondering @TylerC if this is a discontinued US item only, or is it worldwide?

@Cheese

It's deffo a US only thing. The HK85 has just been release here - 5 Festool blades available and one of those is a metal cutting blade.

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Re: Festool Metal-Cutting Blades Discontinued (US)
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2016, 04:18 PM »
Imagine if we start to see KAPEX and other saw warranty issues rejected due to the blade used ... May be good to check the warranty clauses on the various saws [blink]

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Re: Festool Metal-Cutting Blades Discontinued (US)
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2016, 04:18 PM »
FWIW...These blades are getting harder to find than the MFS Templates. [crying]

I tried 4 local distributors including Woodcraft...nada. Woodcraft said that Festool Germany was no longer shipping the blades to Festool USA. So Woodcraft sold their last two Kapex 495385 blades 2 weeks ago.

They have 495385 on Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/Festool-495385-Aluminum-Plastic-Cutting/dp/B002VMX8RW/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1470082521&sr=8-5&keywords=festool+kapex+blade

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Re: Festool Metal-Cutting Blades Discontinued (US)
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2016, 04:20 PM »
I'm just curious if Amana manufactures an aluminum blade and if so do you know the kerf size?

@Cheese, yes, that link is to blades for aluminum. The kerf (under the technical specs tab on our website) is 2.5mm for them.
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Re: Festool Metal-Cutting Blades Discontinued (US)
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2016, 05:14 PM »
Just wondering @TylerC if this is a discontinued US item only, or is it worldwide?

They've been discontinued in North America only.

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« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2016, 05:15 PM »
I use aluminum/plastic AGE blades for my 55,75, and Makita that I buy through http://www.toolstoday.com/p-6095-festool-and-other-track-saw-machine-compatible-saw-blades.aspx  They sell steel cutting blades but not for Festool.  I use them in my 18Vcordless Milwaukee, PC saw boss, and the big stuff with my Skil 8 1/4" worm saw.  I use a router speed controller with my PC to slow the speed.
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Re: Festool Metal-Cutting Blades Discontinued (US)
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2016, 08:07 PM »
So that explains why I could not find one of those and ended up buying an AGE blade.

Oh well...

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« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2016, 08:25 PM »
Just wondering @TylerC if this is a discontinued US item only, or is it worldwide?

They've been discontinued in North America only.

@TylerC curious to the reasoning ... I would have thought they'd have been modestly popular for aluminium profiles. Was it a UL issue with the spark arrestor that precipitated this? If so, that'd probably remove any chance of the PF1200 getting "stateside".

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« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2016, 08:34 PM »
I cut wood, plastic, and aluminum regularly.  I literaly have cut 55 gallon drums full of anodized aluminum in the last 36 years as a storefront contractor.  All my chips go into the same collector, years ago Sears vacs, now Feins and Festools, thru three Oneidas.  Aluminum does not spark, although anodized has the potential.  I've never seen any sign that heat or sparking could cause a burning problem.  I worry more about staining and finishing rags.  I will admit that aluminum chips have me using a glove if I'm holding close to the cutting...those little chips smart.   [crying]

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Re: Festool Metal-Cutting Blades Discontinued (US)
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2016, 10:25 PM »
this whole issue sounds to me like a measure of understandable German apprehension based on our litigious legal system in the U.S. - rather than a regulatory compliance or product performance issue.
FESTOOL still sees itself exposed even if blades from another manufacturer are involved. Any ensuing litigation will name every manufacturer involved in the incident and everyone of them will spend money to defend themselves.
They, or their respective insurance carrier, will settle rather than face the cost of going to trial. The cost of settlements will be a factor in the premium rates during following year(s). The legal profession wins  every time. In Germany there is a cost to suing if you lose - quite a deterrent.
I think FESTOOL is making quite a prudent economic business decision in this regard.
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« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2016, 10:56 PM »
This whole issue sounds to me like a measure of understandable German apprehension based on our litigious legal system in the U.S. - rather than a regulatory compliance or product performance issue.
Any ensuing litigation will name every manufacturer involved in the incident and everyone of them will spend money to defend themselves.

I agree, this reminds me of when a lawsuit was brought against multiple semiconductor manufacturers under the gross negligence domain. A wafer fabrication person was not properly suited up and when some of the chemicals/acids/bases contacted her skin, she received multiple burns. The simple way out was to sue each manufacturer for a stipend...think $20K... and if you sue 20 different manufacturers for $20K the net result is $400K. That's a lot easier than trying to sue one manufacturer for $400K. As a result, DEC, Harris semiconductors and Delco, among others are no longer providers in this area.


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Re: Festool Metal-Cutting Blades Discontinued (US)
« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2016, 10:06 AM »
@TylerC curious to the reasoning ... I would have thought they'd have been modestly popular for aluminium profiles. Was it a UL issue with the spark arrestor that precipitated this? If so, that'd probably remove any chance of the PF1200 getting "stateside".

The reason is related to the spark arrestor. I'll have a more thorough for you all tomorrow.

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Re: Festool Metal-Cutting Blades Discontinued (US)
« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2016, 11:30 AM »
I have just added two new steel cutting blades, for the TS 55 and TS 75 to our website. These are brand new product offerings from this manufacturer, so it may be a short time before we have them in stock.
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Re: Festool Metal-Cutting Blades Discontinued (US)
« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2016, 02:15 PM »
Hey @Shane Holland, just a heads-up, I went to your website to look at the new saw blades and noticed under the Technical Specs menu, all 5 of the saw blades were listed at 210mm.  [eek]
Also the part numbers for the first 3 blades are the same at MD210-725, and the tooth counts for the Kapex blade and the TS 55 blade are different in the Features menu than the Technical Specs menu. Also the bore for the TS 55 aluminum & steel blade is listed as 30mm.

Also, just curious if Amana has issued any max material thickness for these blades? Have you or anyone at The Nut tried these blades in a saw?

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Re: Festool Metal-Cutting Blades Discontinued (US)
« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2016, 02:21 PM »
@Cheese, thanks for the heads up on the issue under the specs. I've made the corrections.

We were just told about these new steel cutting blades this morning. We do not have them in stock yet and we were not given any information about maximum cut capacity, but I can check. I'll post back when I find something out for you.
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« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2016, 02:27 PM »
Ya Shane I'm curious about the depth limitations on both the aluminum and steel blades. Thanks...

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Re: Festool Metal-Cutting Blades Discontinued (US)
« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2016, 04:27 PM »
@Cheese, according to the manufacturer, you can cut up to 1/4" thing gauge aluminum with the aluminum blade and up to 1/8" steel with the steel blade. Thanks.
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Re: Festool Metal-Cutting Blades Discontinued (US)
« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2016, 08:56 AM »
@TylerC curious to the reasoning ... I would have thought they'd have been modestly popular for aluminium profiles. Was it a UL issue with the spark arrestor that precipitated this? If so, that'd probably remove any chance of the PF1200 getting "stateside".

The reason is related to the spark arrestor. I'll have a more thorough for you all tomorrow.

It took me a little longer than expected to get an official answer.

Because we no longer offer the spark trap as an attachment to our dust extractors, we are unable to provide a dust extraction system that is suitable for connecting to these saws when cutting metal.

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« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2016, 09:53 AM »
@TylerC curious to the reasoning ... I would have thought they'd have been modestly popular for aluminium profiles. Was it a UL issue with the spark arrestor that precipitated this? If so, that'd probably remove any chance of the PF1200 getting "stateside".

The reason is related to the spark arrestor. I'll have a more thorough for you all tomorrow.

It took me a little longer than expected to get an official answer.

Because we no longer offer the spark trap as an attachment to our dust extractors, we are unable to provide a dust extraction system that is suitable for connecting to these saws when cutting metal.

Tyler,

I guess the question for current owners is whether Festool recommends NOT using the spark trap (and metal cutting blades), or whether the decision to discontinue the spark trap (and metal cutting blades) was purely an economic one.

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« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2017, 02:49 PM »
@Cheese, according to the manufacturer, you can cut up to 1/4" thing gauge aluminum with the aluminum blade and up to 1/8" steel with the steel blade. Thanks.

Shane, is there any option for steel cutting on the Kapex?

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« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2017, 04:01 PM »
Shane, is there any option for steel cutting on the Kapex?

Festool never offered a steel cutting blade for the Kapex so I’d guess that Amana probably won’t either, however we’ll let @Shane Holland weigh in on this one.

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« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2017, 06:28 PM »
"Because we no longer offer the spark trap as an attachment to our
dust extractors, we are unable to provide a dust extraction system
that is suitable for connecting to these saws when cutting metal."

Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but does this mean that FT
does not condone cutting metal with any of these saws regardless
of the blade manufacturer and/or chip collection system used?

Will the manuals for these saws be revised to state that cutting metal
is not approved and could void warranty?
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Re: Festool Metal-Cutting Blades Discontinued (US)
« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2017, 07:28 PM »
"Because we no longer offer the spark trap as an attachment to our
dust extractors, we are unable to provide a dust extraction system
that is suitable for connecting to these saws when cutting metal."

Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but does this mean that FT
does not condone cutting metal with any of these saws regardless
of the blade manufacturer and/or chip collection system used?

Will the manuals for these saws be revised to state that cutting metal
is not approved and could void warranty?

I was told or read that the supplemental manuals are for US customers. I don't know the reason.  If one carefully compares the standard manual and the supplemental, one will note it is not what the supplemental states that is different from the main manual, but rather what the supplemental manual doesn't state that is different from the main manual.

For example, the TS series main manual states that cementitious materials and others may be cut with the tool, but in the supplemental manual, the language referring to cementitious materials is omitted while the rest from the main manual remains as written.  Basically, the language does not state that we can or cannot cut cementitious materials with the TS.

Does this omission upset me?  NO!  Why?  Because there are tools that are dedicated to certain tasks (like cutting metal) and I choose to match the tool to the job.  Sometimes I wonder if FT didn't grow too fast and make mistakes in the attempt to capture a larger market share by developing tools that ostensibly had multiple applications only to find they did not.
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« Reply #31 on: October 22, 2017, 11:36 PM »

I was told or read that the supplemental manuals are for US customers. I don't know the reason.  If one carefully compares the standard manual and the supplemental, one will note it is not what the supplemental states that is different from the main manual, but rather what the supplemental manual doesn't state that is different from the main manual.


Just conjecture on my part, but I believe the supplemental manuals are all authored by Rick Christopherson based in the US. As such, I am sure he was given general marching orders from Festool corporate on what to include and what not to include. This could explain the discrepancies noted in the manuals.

Also note that Festool still markets and sells spark traps, aluminum cutting blades, steel cutting blades and PCD blades in other countries. Thus the reason why cutting these different materials is mentioned in the international manual.

I just chalk it up to some quirky Festool USA afraid of being sued by those ambulance chasing 💵💵💵 US lawyers thing.

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Re: Festool Metal-Cutting Blades Discontinued (US)
« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2017, 08:56 AM »
@Cheese, according to the manufacturer, you can cut up to 1/4" thing gauge aluminum with the aluminum blade and up to 1/8" steel with the steel blade. Thanks.

Shane, is there any option for steel cutting on the Kapex?

@worldburger, no steel blade for the Kapex.
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