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Offline TylerC

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« Reply #240 on: October 08, 2017, 07:53 PM »
@SouthRider - Although whitelisting might not be the solution for you, it may work for others.

Did you receive both emails on Friday? I made an update in your account on Thursday(?) that I'm hoping would fix it for you. Let me know if it didn't.

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« Reply #241 on: October 08, 2017, 07:55 PM »
Tyler - unfortunately I got no emails on Friday.

Just curious - there was the rotex which I lucked into - what was the second tool?
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« Reply #242 on: October 08, 2017, 08:00 PM »

Just curious - there was the rotex which I lucked into - what was the second tool?

I mentioned "both emails", but you're right. There was only one on Friday.

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« Reply #243 on: October 08, 2017, 08:01 PM »
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Who's forcing you?

If Seth's line of thinking is correct , And I suspect it is, Festool is forcing buyers of their tools to pre pay this "warranty".  And the "policy" is pretty expensive too.



     My line of thinking is NOT that the difference in cost between new and recon is only   the warranty difference.  My line of thinking is that  if   a buyer places the warranty difference high on their valuation list then it needs to be considered by that buyer in relation to the cost difference.

     I just want to be clear about what I am saying as opposed to what people may be interpreting.

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« Reply #244 on: October 08, 2017, 08:27 PM »
I received emails after I signed up on the recon site but I did not receive any emails on Friday


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« Reply #245 on: October 08, 2017, 08:30 PM »
@magellan - I'll shoot you a message so that we don't add more clutter to the thread.

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« Reply #246 on: October 08, 2017, 08:36 PM »
I didn't like the old system because I wasn't buddy buddy with a dealer who was sitting at a computer already waiting to grab tools people asked favors to grab and hold for them.  That's the way it seemed anyway. I found they were snatched up way quicker or held for purchase so no new people could try.  At least now I'm in control and if I'm desperate enough I'll sit there at the expected times and refresh the page until I see a new tool pop up.
Plus the dealers I'm sure have better things to do with their time.  I read that they were working after hours doing favors for people trying to get one.
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« Reply #247 on: October 08, 2017, 08:38 PM »
I believe there was only one email or tool offered Friday noon.
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Re: FestoolRecon.com coming VERY soon (US)
« Reply #248 on: October 09, 2017, 09:41 AM »
I didn't like the old system because I wasn't buddy buddy with a dealer who was sitting at a computer already waiting to grab tools people asked favors to grab and hold for them.  That's the way it seemed anyway. I found they were snatched up way quicker or held for purchase so no new people could try.  At least now I'm in control and if I'm desperate enough I'll sit there at the expected times and refresh the page until I see a new tool pop up.
Plus the dealers I'm sure have better things to do with their time.  I read that they were working after hours doing favors for people trying to get one.

 Scott,

 Well, I was one of those dealers spending lots of time in front of the computer and IIRC, there was one other dealer doing likewise. In the years of participating in the recon sales, there were some customers who said "notify me if xyz tool becomes available" and when I got that request I knew it was only a very slim chance that request would/could be honored. I'm guessing with the several hundred recon orders I placed there were literally only a handful or so where that request was honored.

 Why? Because I would almost never charge the credit card without rechecking with a customer - as they may not want xyz tool at that particular discount being offered or they simply could have changed their minds and just as likely, as these were all handwritten orders and comments, I simply could not/did not have that info at the ready if/when a requested tool was announced. When a new tool was announced, the phone would ring within minutes and there was no/little time to reconfirm with the customer making an advance request. So, no there was no long list  of tools being hoarded by myself and offered to select customers. Again, the reality was with the limited quantities of tools being offered and the huge, huge demand country-wide, any pre-order requests would have extremely difficult to accommodate for any dealer. But I'm speaking for myself and I'm not sure how other dealers who participated in the recon tool sale handled their orders.

 
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« Reply #249 on: October 09, 2017, 03:27 PM »
Personally, I had no issues with late email delivery. I use GMail and get emails 1-2 minutes after the item is published on the site.

Is there going to be a second tool offered today?

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« Reply #250 on: October 09, 2017, 03:51 PM »
Boy do I wish that worrying about whether I was able to buy a reconditioned Festool or not was even in the top ten worries of mine. Champaign problems I guess.... It really isn't THAT big of a deal...... is it?

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« Reply #251 on: October 09, 2017, 04:54 PM »
Boy do I wish that worrying about whether I was able to buy a reconditioned Festool or not was even in the top ten worries of mine. Champaign problems I guess.... It really isn't THAT big of a deal...... is it?

Agreed, you do just fine without the recon worries.   [big grin]

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« Reply #252 on: October 09, 2017, 05:51 PM »
I haven't bought or seen any Festool reconditioned tool before. How does it look like compared to normal tool? I just curious if any word like "reconditioned" printed on the tool or the Systainer? 
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« Reply #253 on: October 09, 2017, 06:24 PM »
I haven't bought or seen any Festool reconditioned tool before. How does it look like compared to normal tool? I just curious if any word like "reconditioned" printed on the tool or the Systainer?

I have several from previous sales. My systainers have a sticker on them that says reconditioned, with the serial number I think, maybe a date, i can go look. As for the tools themselves, maybe a few scuffs or some saw dust, nothing major. These are tested and put back to factory specs as needed before they are sold, so the issues I have are minor and cosmetic...

Here's a picture of the sticker, again this was purchased a couple of years ago, so today's recon tools may differ. I did not see anything on the tool itself fyi:

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Offline SouthRider

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« Reply #254 on: October 09, 2017, 10:04 PM »
Tyler - no emails on Friday, and none Monday either. Just how DO I unsubscribe and re-subscribe?

When logged into my account that are no choices to do anything......
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« Reply #255 on: October 10, 2017, 01:31 PM »
Well I gave up on my existing email and decided to setup a gmail account since some of you have expressed that it is working for you.  We'll see what happens in the future.

What did I miss yesterday and so far today (if anything)?

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« Reply #256 on: October 10, 2017, 01:38 PM »
DTS400. 195 as I recall

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« Reply #257 on: October 10, 2017, 01:40 PM »
Meh, so far I have been able to place an order for every single recon tool they have put up and I have yet to see one that was actually that good of a deal. Maybe its the sales tax that's killing it, maybe its the fact that I regularly see these tools selling in brand new condition on CL for less with a transferable warranty. All the people complaining about missing these "deals", maybe it's just me, but I don't think you're missing that much.
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« Reply #258 on: October 10, 2017, 02:20 PM »
just curious how good a condition these tools are being sold in.

do they look very slightly used, or do they look quite used?

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« Reply #259 on: October 10, 2017, 02:28 PM »
I got a ETS 150 last year and it came brand new condition, no dust at all and even parts in a bag from what I remember. I think there was an adapter in there or something and a sample of paper.  Mine was brand new, not sure if that's normal.
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« Reply #260 on: October 10, 2017, 02:45 PM »
Meh, so far I have been able to place an order for every single recon tool they have put up and I have yet to see one that was actually that good of a deal. Maybe its the sales tax that's killing it, maybe its the fact that I regularly see these tools selling in brand new condition on CL for less with a transferable warranty. All the people complaining about missing these "deals", maybe it's just me, but I don't think you're missing that much.

I agree completely. Sales tax is absolutely killing these deals, making them 17.5% off for me (I'm in IL). A day before the Rotex deal went up I found and later purchased a lightly used RO 150 with over a year of warranty left for $400. Came with extra sanding and polishing discs!

The only reason why I'm following this sale is a hope to see RO 90 one of these days. This sander is hard to come by on CL or eBay for less than 10-15% off. And that's for a sander way out of warranty.

The sale format works fine for me, so far I had the opportunity to purchase every listed tool if I wanted to. And I didn't even pay attention to email alerts, so I really don't understand the email complaints. After the second day it was obvious at which time a new tool will be made available, so I just refreshed the site every so often during those times.

What is not clear is how many tools are going to be available daily going forward? There was only one on Friday, one on Monday and looks like there won't be anything after the DTS 400 today.
Initially Tyler told us Festool plans to release 2 tools a day. Has that plan changed?


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« Reply #261 on: October 10, 2017, 03:13 PM »
Still have no idea what the charm of a recon tool is. Although I've bought 2, I only bought them because one was 30% off and one was 40% off the last time the old recon sale format was used. Without these kind of discounts, it just isn't worth it buy an essentially used tool with only a 1-year warranty. I know that you can justify it by saying that those 2 years cost you 25% more in tool cost, but I still feel a new tool is far superior to one that has been reconditioned unless the price differential is significantly more than these are. A lot of discussion and angst for something that really isn't that big a deal. Sorry, but that is just my opinion.
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« Reply #262 on: October 10, 2017, 04:28 PM »
Meh, so far I have been able to place an order for every single recon tool they have put up and I have yet to see one that was actually that good of a deal. Maybe its the sales tax that's killing it, maybe its the fact that I regularly see these tools selling in brand new condition on CL for less with a transferable warranty. All the people complaining about missing these "deals", maybe it's just me, but I don't think you're missing that much.

I agree completely. Sales tax is absolutely killing these deals, making them 17.5% off for me (I'm in IL). A day before the Rotex deal went up I found and later purchased a lightly used RO 150 with over a year of warranty left for $400. Came with extra sanding and polishing discs!

The only reason why I'm following this sale is a hope to see RO 90 one of these days. This sander is hard to come by on CL or eBay for less than 10-15% off. And that's for a sander way out of warranty.

The sale format works fine for me, so far I had the opportunity to purchase every listed tool if I wanted to. And I didn't even pay attention to email alerts, so I really don't understand the email complaints. After the second day it was obvious at which time a new tool will be made available, so I just refreshed the site every so often during those times.

What is not clear is how many tools are going to be available daily going forward? There was only one on Friday, one on Monday and looks like there won't be anything after the DTS 400 today.
Initially Tyler told us Festool plans to release 2 tools a day. Has that plan changed?


Yea that DTS 400 EQ today killed me! lol It was around $220 after tax and I can get a brand new DTS 400 REQ (the latest version) for $260 shipped no tax from anywhere.
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« Reply #263 on: October 10, 2017, 04:46 PM »
I got a ETS 150 last year and it came brand new condition, no dust at all and even parts in a bag from what I remember. I think there was an adapter in there or something and a sample of paper.  Mine was brand new, not sure if that's normal.

Yes, last time in most cases they were in pretty good shape.

I was wondering what it has been this time around.

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« Reply #264 on: October 10, 2017, 06:05 PM »
When you see an ample amount of a recently updated and/or discontinued product, you can safely
presume "recon" means overstock.   

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« Reply #265 on: October 10, 2017, 06:20 PM »
Don't forget that Festool USA has that 30 day return policy.

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« Reply #266 on: October 10, 2017, 07:45 PM »
I received my recon Vecturo today and it looks brand new. No blemishes whatsoever.

No sale tax for me in Louisiana - so 25% off with a 1 year warranty makes this a similar price to a Fein, and the Vecturo has superior accessories for my needs.

I absolutely have never seen a good buy used for any Festool on CL, Ebay, or other, and the classifieds on the FOG seem to offer tools of unknown ages with unknown warranty left for about 10% off.

Would much rather buy a certified recon directly from Festool with 1 year warranty than an unknown from a private seller at a higher price.

But a lot of that is based on where you live. We have no Festool dealers within several hours of here (New Orleans area) to speak of (well one - but he doesn't stock much). So if the market isn't very penetrated by dealers, there won't be many used tools either.

If I had to pay tax on recon tools I too would be a lot more hesitant.
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« Reply #267 on: October 10, 2017, 09:49 PM »
I think what stinks about the recon sale is that the discounts are not more.  If the mark up for Festool tools is 20-30% for dealers.  That means Festool USA isn’t really out much with a recon sale.  They are making the same about per tool and they are just taking the dealers out of it.   They are making out not offering the warranty for 3 years.  I have bought recon tools in the past and never had any issues and will buy more when there’s some list that I don’t own already. 

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« Reply #268 on: October 11, 2017, 01:52 AM »
I think what stinks about the recon sale is that the discounts are not more.

Well, I’ve kept my yap shut for the last several days because I’ve been disparaged by a few contributors who fail to read/understand my beef but are yet fully willing to engage and offer their unsubstantiated opinion.

When the last public recon sale was held, 2+ years ago, I personally decided that I would only purchase a recon tool if it was offered at the 30-40% discount level. Anything less than that discount meant to me, that it wasn’t worth taking a hit from the warranty aspect. The warranty going from 3 years to 1 year for a 20% reduction in price was just not worth the gamble for me.
So the current 25% discount level on recon tools is certainly testing my ability to abstain from purchasing of the same, despite my not receiving the Festool emails.  [eek]

Thus, I’d have to agree with T. Ernsberger, is the current discount structure really such a great deal especially after adding sales tax to specific states?







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« Reply #269 on: October 11, 2017, 11:12 AM »
Well I took the plunge and snatched up a TS 75.  Doesn't come with a rail, but $468 shipped with no tax in CO is pretty good I think.  Amazon sells it for $780 so that sounds like a good discount figuring the warranty is shorter and such.