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Offline M.A.D. Renovations

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First Aid Systainer
« on: February 01, 2019, 01:23 AM »
Anyone know where I can get my hands on one?

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Offline BrianSometimes

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2019, 02:17 AM »
https://www.dorchdanola.dk/festool-forbindingskasse-100346-i-systainer.html

They only ship to the Nordic countries, though. You might get a better result buying a red/white Tanos systainer and dropping another first aid kit's contents into it.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2019, 04:18 AM »

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2019, 04:49 PM »
One idea we had to make a First Aid Systainer.

* Use our FSA money (for those in the USA) to buy a first aid refill kit with enough of the stuff you want from a place like FSAstore.com.

* Get vinyl labels for a printer from Amazon and print out the logos/words you want on the kit.  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01FKXOJOY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

* Pick up a standard systainer and fit it out!  https://systainer.store

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2019, 10:33 PM »
One idea we had to make a First Aid Systainer.

* Use our FSA money (for those in the USA) to buy a first aid refill kit with enough of the stuff you want from a place like FSAstore.com.

* Get vinyl labels for a printer from Amazon and print out the logos/words you want on the kit.  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01FKXOJOY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

* Pick up a standard systainer and fit it out!  https://systainer.store

As a retailer, can you not just make the kits available and let people purchase them from you with their FSA money? Or does it have to certified in some way to qualify?

Like in The Netherlands some mouth water is taxed at 21% and some not at all, depending if it's classified as 'cosmetics' or 'medicine'... which depends on if the producer has some kind of license...

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2019, 11:36 PM »
https://www.finewoodworking.com/2007/07/17/woodworkers-first-aid

Just in case you are interested in putting together your own woodworkers first aid kits this link should take you to a past article from Fine Woodworking Magazine. It has some great ideas for what a woodworker might need in their first aid kit.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2019, 09:41 AM »
I just made my own in an old classic sys 1.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2019, 08:58 PM »
Man, I got to get my notifications turned on, I missed the replies!

In my suggestion about FSA money, I didn't mean use my FSA to create a product to sell. 

I meant my wife and I talked about making a home kit for our own use and use FSA money.  Not everyone has FSA, but if you do, it helps tax wise to use it and not loose it.

Recently I was at a water park.  They had a first aid backpack.  From what I saw, the life guard had to dig through it to find the appropriate items to treat the need.  A Systainer would have been easier, all the bandage and ointments arrayed nicely in front of you.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2019, 09:49 PM »
Man, I got to get my notifications turned on, I missed the replies!

In my suggestion about FSA money, I didn't mean use my FSA to create a product to sell. 

I think @Coen was suggesting you offer a first aid systainer for sale as an item in your product line, that the public in turn could purchase using FSA funds.
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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2019, 09:52 PM »
Man, I got to get my notifications turned on, I missed the replies!

In my suggestion about FSA money, I didn't mean use my FSA to create a product to sell. 

I think @Coen was suggesting you offer a first aid systainer for sale as an item in your product line, that the public in turn could purchase using FSA funds.

Yes, exactly that.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2019, 10:06 PM »
There’s a lot of history here regarding first aid systainers, back in ‘14 the member @wow was taking orders for his own custom run. Search his old posts on first aid and you’ll see a lot of details he put into it. Unfortunately he passed away in ‘15.
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« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2019, 10:24 PM »
Wayne...WOW...produced 2 different kits. The 1st one was in a full sized Systainer and incorporated almost everything from a bone saw to an iron lung.

His 2nd iteration was in a mini Systainer and it was correlated closer to the accidents that one might sustain in a typical shop environment.
 
I purchased one of the later because I already own a bone saw...there is lots of good info in the WOW thread on the specific items included in both of these kits.
« Last Edit: April 05, 2019, 12:06 AM by Cheese »

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2019, 11:36 PM »
The mini version was more realistic for my needs as well, though I passed on the offer since I have way too many first aid kits already. That first kit was probably army medic ready, if I ever needed that much stuff in one instance I’d probably be too injured to use it anyway. I can see it being great for a multi person shop though.
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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2019, 02:10 PM »
OK - so I did more digging on this.  There isn't an official first aid looking systainer available from Tanos.  We can totally customize one from the colors to what is printed on it.

If we can coordinate the design and enough preorders, I'm willing to make it happen.  I'm thinking we should standard on the size, SYS-I or MINI?

Then we should determine what is the color of systainer and any icons or emblems printed on the systainer.  We can also consider just a high quality logo. 

At the moment I'm assuming I'd sell just the empty systainer, as suggested.

When we get a design finalized, I can arrange a preorder section on Systainer.Store.  How does that sound?
So - what would you like in a design?

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2019, 03:28 PM »
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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2019, 03:33 PM »
@systainer.store

I’m interested and willing to participate.


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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2019, 04:48 PM »
@Systainer.Store , when WOW was going down the path of getting his first aid kits going he reached out to me for advice on printing whereas I had trials and tribulations with all the Fogtainers.  Printing thru Tanos was not really an option for a small batch.  Wayne lived in Minneapolis and I found him a printer that was actually only about 4 blocks from his house.

If you end up needing a resource for printing give me a shout and I will go thru all my saved messages and emails and try and find you a name.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2019, 04:53 PM »
Wayne...WOW...produced 2 different kits. The 1st one was in a full sized Systainer and incorporated almost everything from a bone saw to an iron lung.

His 2nd iteration was in a mini Systainer and it was correlated closer to the accidents that one might sustain in a typical shop environment.
 
I purchased one of the later because I already own a bone saw...there is lots of good info in the WOW thread on the specific items included in both of these kits.
I ended up getting both , the big one is in the shop/garage and small one in the truck.
Charlie


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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2019, 05:20 PM »
Wayne...WOW...produced 2 different kits. The 1st one was in a full sized Systainer and incorporated almost everything from a bone saw to an iron lung.

His 2nd iteration was in a mini Systainer and it was correlated closer to the accidents that one might sustain in a typical shop environment.
 
I purchased one of the later because I already own a bone saw...there is lots of good info in the WOW thread on the specific items included in both of these kits.
I ended up getting both , the big one is in the shop/garage and small one in the truck.
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Sounds like your good to go for cuts to Polio outbreaks in the garage.  Well prepared, good man.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2019, 05:40 PM »
Thank you guys for the feedback and encouragement on this idea.   

On Friday I got printing cost from Tanos and I'll have to work through the calculations to see where it ends up.  Then we can explore how many people may be interested and if we need to get printing done with a smaller batch.

I see there being a couple design decisions:

Size :: SYS-I, MINI-sys I, or some other size

First aid scheme :: Here is a quick Wikipedia blurb on First Aid kits.  It mentions that ISO has a standard of green background and white cross for first aid.  However in the USA I'm most familiar with white kits with red cross (generic) or a red kit with white cross (life guard?).  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_aid_kit

Color scheme :: once we get the above figured out, we then think about box body color, handle color and T-LOC color.  Then where the logo may be printed.  The more variety in this, then the harder or more costly it may be to source.  Yet to be validated though.  Here is Tanos colors:  https://www.tanos.de/007/En/HOME/PRODUCT_AREAS/systainer/Colours.html

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2019, 06:01 PM »
Wayne...WOW...produced 2 different kits. The 1st one was in a full sized Systainer and incorporated almost everything from a bone saw to an iron lung.

His 2nd iteration was in a mini Systainer and it was correlated closer to the accidents that one might sustain in a typical shop environment.
 
I purchased one of the later because I already own a bone saw...there is lots of good info in the WOW thread on the specific items included in both of these kits.
I ended up getting both , the big one is in the shop/garage and small one in the truck.
Charlie


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Sounds like your good to go for cuts to Polio outbreaks in the garage.  Well prepared, good man.
Yep, I can treat a village with the big one . Lol


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« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2019, 06:01 PM »
It mentions that ISO has a standard of green background and white cross for first aid.  However in the USA I'm most familiar with white kits with red cross (generic) or a red kit with white cross (life guard?). 

Here's a Festool version that's probably at least 8 years old.



And here's the WOW mini version.


Offline Paul G

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2019, 01:52 AM »
Since these will be a commercial product, be aware of trademarks. For example a red cross on white would be a problem.
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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2019, 07:41 AM »
Since these will be a commercial product, be aware of trademarks. For example a red cross on white would be a problem.

Yes, yes - of course. 

Another thought I was exploring last night was to get high quality die cut stickers and an all red systainer.  This would be instead of printing directly on the systainer.  It may be lower cost.  Any opinion one way or the other?


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« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2019, 08:37 AM »
Stickers can work well with the right adhesive.  These images were of stickers made to cure botched printing.  Labels were over laminated with durable plastic film.  The adhesive type shown on the back is tenacious and after about 2 seconds is near impossible to remove from a systainer pre wiped with alcohol.





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« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2019, 09:22 AM »
The adhesive type shown on the back is tenacious and after about 2 seconds is near impossible to remove from a systainer pre wiped with alcohol.

As an ex 3M'er in the tape division, that adhesive was specifically made for low energy surfaces such as plastics. It's an acrylic adhesive with a very high initial bond strength. Better yet though, is the bond strength will become even higher over time.  It goes through kind of an on-product curing process.  [big grin]
« Last Edit: April 07, 2019, 09:24 AM by Cheese »

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2019, 12:07 PM »
I own a First Aid systainer sold by GereedschapPro, over here in the Low Countries:
https://www.[insert name of company as mentioned above, no space].nl/artikel/10000/medi-tainer-de-ehbo-doos-voor-de-zzp-er-en-klusser.html

Its contents have been curated by woodworkers and care professionals. The list is in Dutch of course, but auto-translate should be able to make sense for you non-Dutch speakers.

Modified because url of website banned...
« Last Edit: April 08, 2019, 02:59 PM by Bert Vanderveen »
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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2019, 06:56 PM »
Couldn't we just use the standard mini with the replacement red mini tloc latch? Lee Valley has the red in stock.

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« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2019, 10:47 PM »
Well FWIW...here's what a mini Systainer will hold.



And here's a list of the individual items.



And remember, some of these items have a shelf life, so unless your vocation in life is to service an entire village like @pettyconstruction aspires... [poke]   less may be more.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2019, 02:27 PM »
I like these examples.  This is helpful.

If we used a SYS-I, I was thinking there would be enough room for PPE items as well.  Gloves, safety glasses, ear plugs, etc.  In which care it is more than first aid, more of a care kit.

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« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2019, 03:54 PM »
I've wanted a first aid kit for my shop for quite a while, but when I look at the first aid kit options on Amazon they generally have lots of stuff which don't seem applicable to a basement workshop.  I don't need drugs like aspirin, don't need bear repellent, Mylar blankets, or other outdoor stuff and if you included a bone saw I'd probably make finger joints with it.  But splinter care, various bandages, maybe some burn stuff, eye care, and look what I cut off with my table/band/chop saw stuff would be very useful.
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« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2019, 04:12 PM »
But splinter care, various bandages, maybe some burn stuff, eye care, and look what I cut off with my table/band/chop saw stuff would be very useful.

I seem to have soft delicate skin on my hands that just attracts splinters.  I practically get a splinter just by looking at a piece of wood.  I've personally found the best thing to remove splinters is a lancet (like diabetics use to prick their fingers to test their blood) and a good pair of tweezers.  I like the lancets since they have a very sharp point, they're sterile, and I just pop the cap back on and throw it away when I'm done.
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« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2019, 07:29 PM »
I like these examples.  This is helpful.

If we used a SYS-I, I was thinking there would be enough room for PPE items as well.  Gloves, safety glasses, ear plugs, etc.  In which care it is more than first aid, more of a care kit.
I would not want to mix my every day gloves, safety glasses, etc. that are going to get dirty in with a first aid kit which I would want to stay clean and generally unopened.

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« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2019, 08:21 PM »
I would not want to mix my every day gloves, safety glasses, etc. that are going to get dirty in with a first aid kit which I would want to stay clean and generally unopened.

Good point...very good point.

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« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2019, 08:37 PM »
I second that idea - the first aid kit is NOT stuff you use for any other purpose besides a medical issue/emergency.  These are not every day supplies and frankly ones which you'd rather be a total waste and never use.  The only non-urgent time you go in there is to replace expired stuff.

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« Reply #35 on: April 08, 2019, 08:54 PM »
I would not want to mix my every day gloves, safety glasses, etc. that are going to get dirty in with a first aid kit which I would want to stay clean and generally unopened.

Good point...very good point.

Second that, well stated.

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« Reply #36 on: April 08, 2019, 09:16 PM »
These are not every day supplies and frankly ones which you'd rather be a total waste and never use.

Amen...🙏🙏🙏   I’d happily jettison all these items every few years if I never had to use them. It’s just another form of insurance.

In the 4-5 years I’ve owned the WOW mini, I’ve used 1 bandage and some ointment. It was still money well spent but it does give you a window into the practicality of including a bone saw and a de-fib.

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« Reply #37 on: April 08, 2019, 09:50 PM »
Bear repellent seems reasonable to me!

Bone saw? no thanks, thats why sawzaws are for, key is to use diablo blades, the red paint rubbing off will blend right in with these cuts.

I think folks bring up good point about spoilage (I put a medical student in a kit once, kid spoiled on me in like 2 days  [mad]). Also keeping things focused on wood shops, so focus on cuts (some very bad), splinters, eye washes, chemical burns and such would make more sense. Also trying to make the kit as usable as can be with one hand is important, since the person in need is likely to be the one accessing the kit, so one hand stuff would be a good plan.

If it never gets used, all the better.  Look at it as owning one is jinxing your chance at having an accident.

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« Reply #38 on: April 08, 2019, 10:57 PM »
Bear repellent seems reasonable to me!

Bone saw? no thanks, thats why sawzaws are for, key is to use diablo blades, the red paint rubbing off will blend right in with these cuts.

I think folks bring up good point about spoilage (I put a medical student in a kit once, kid spoiled on me in like 2 days  [mad]). Also keeping things focused on wood shops, so focus on cuts (some very bad), splinters, eye washes, chemical burns and such would make more sense. Also trying to make the kit as usable as can be with one hand is important, since the person in need is likely to be the one accessing the kit, so one hand stuff would be a good plan.

If it never gets used, all the better.  Look at it as owning one is jinxing your chance at having an accident.
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« Reply #39 on: April 09, 2019, 04:30 AM »
That might be a good move as it puts your eyes in the box much more often than if it was FA stuff alone (hopefully at least). If there were nothing but FA items inside you wouldn't have much cause to eyeball it's contents.

Doing so on a regular basis might remind you to check the expiration dates on certain items and you'll have a visual snapshot of your inventory which may prompt you to reorder something you've used up or stock is low.
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« Reply #40 on: April 09, 2019, 07:19 PM »
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I will buy 5 or 6 of them when you have them ready.
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« Reply #41 on: April 09, 2019, 10:28 PM »
I will buy 5 or 6 of them when you have them ready.

Now that’s an eager beaver...[poke].

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« Reply #42 on: April 09, 2019, 10:56 PM »
I will buy 5 or 6 of them when you have them ready.

Now that’s an eager beaver...[poke].

You can never be too safe or prepared!
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« Reply #43 on: May 04, 2019, 09:11 AM »
OK guys - sorry to stir things up and then go quiet.  I had a bit of travel, family and the administrative stuff I needed to focus on.  Now I'm getting back to this topic.

I've got a chance to bring over a pallet of product from Germany.  If we can decide on box size, the color scheme, I could get some units to prototype or sell. 

I want to do some photo mockups, if I get a chance tonight I'll do that and post here.

The choices I see:
Box size ::  SYS-I is mini-sys I
Color :: red, green, whole box, just lid/bottom, or t-loc
symbol/text :: screen print or tough stickers

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« Reply #44 on: May 05, 2019, 12:51 PM »
I'm looking at the pictures posted in this forum and online of first aid kits.  Let's narrow this down.

Can we vote on what is most popular?

Standard grey systainer with red latch (and maybe handle).
Completely red systainer - body, latch and handle.
Red systainer with white latch and handle.

I'm thinking a decal/sticker sheet then can go with this. 

What color scheme do you like best?

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« Reply #45 on: May 05, 2019, 01:54 PM »
I'm looking at the pictures posted in this forum and online of first aid kits.  Let's narrow this down.

Can we vote on what is most popular?

Standard grey systainer with red latch (and maybe handle).
Completely red systainer - body, latch and handle.
Red systainer with white latch and handle.

I'm thinking a decal/sticker sheet then can go with this. 

What color scheme do you like best?

I can't decide. Any would be good for me.

I like the white with red T-latch and handle.

But the red with white handle and latch works too. It would be more visible that's for sure.

Are you thinking of offering two sizes, a Sys-1 and a Mini ? I could see a Mini in each of the trucks and a Sys-1 in the shop.

Will these be empty Systainers only, or fully stocked?
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« Reply #46 on: May 05, 2019, 06:14 PM »
It's too bad Tanos doesn't make a first aid kit like the Sortimo L-Boxx 102 G4 Erste Hilfe.  At €87 (about $100), it's not inexpensive, but it stands out and complies with DIN 13157.

When I was actively traveling with my Bosch equipment in the L-Boxx stacks, I had one of these first aid kits.  Fortunately, I only had to use it twice for minor cuts that were easily fixed with a Band-aid.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #47 on: May 05, 2019, 07:01 PM »

Are you thinking of offering two sizes, a Sys-1 and a Mini ? I could see a Mini in each of the trucks and a Sys-1 in the shop.

Will these be empty Systainers only, or fully stocked?

I'm going to quote both sizes and am considering getting both and seeing how sales go.
Right now I'm thinking the units will not be stocked with supplies, just the systainer.  I'll take this step by step.

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« Reply #48 on: May 05, 2019, 10:29 PM »
I was fortunate to get one of WOW's first aid Systainers about 5 years back.  it is fantastic.

Attached is the contents PDF that Wayne provided.  Might give others ideas on what they might want to include.

I've found several of these replacement items for mine from Amazon...


Looks like you can buy the full contents of a DIN 13157 kit contents from them - here

And here are the contents of a DIN 13157 standard kit...
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1 adhesive tape 2.5cmx500cm (DIN 13019 - A5x2.5)
8 adhesive plasters 10cmx6cm (DIN 13019 - E10x6)
4 finger tip plasters4 wound dressing 18cmx2cm (DIN 13019 - E18x2)
4 adhesive plasters 19mmx72mm
8 adhesive plasters 25mmx72mm
1 ambulance dressing 6cmx8cm STERILE (DIN 13151-K)
3 ambulance dressings 8cmx10cm STERILE (DIN 13151-M)
1 ambulance dressing 10cmx12cm STERILE (DIN 13151-G)
1 surgical sheets 60cm x 80cm STERILE (DIN 13152-A)
2 gauze bandages 8cm x 4m (DIN 61631-MB-8CV/CO)
2 gauze bandages 6cm x 4m (DIN 61631-MB-6CV/CO)
3 compresses 10cm x 10cm packed per 2 pcs STERILE
1 rescue covers 210cm x 160 cm
2 eye pads STERILE5 fleece cloths non-woven
2 triangular bandages (DIN 13168-D)
1 pair of scissors (DIN 58279 - A145)
4 gloves in polybag (DIN EN 455-1 & DIN EN 455-2)
2 instant cold packs2 PE-bags 30cm x 40cm
1 first aid instructions
1 list of contents


Good luck with the project.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #49 on: May 06, 2019, 08:49 AM »
OK - more info.  Unfortunately the MINIs can't come in the red color.  Bummer.  I was hoping for a matching set.  Well - we could get a custom color, but MOQ are beyond the scope I'd like to do right now. 

SYS-I Options:
Completely red systainer - body, latch and handle. (easy to source)
Red systainer with white latch and handle. (a bit more costly and risk, I'll need to swap latches/handles)
standard grey systainer with red latch and handle. (trying to match Mini)

MINI-Sys I Options:
Standard grey systainer with red latch
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Thanks for the links to standard contents, that is helpful to those full outfitting their kits.

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« Reply #50 on: May 06, 2019, 09:32 AM »
I like the idea of the red systainer with white latch and handle. If it could be packaged with at least an insert for supplies, that would be fantastic. Maybe even a decal like the Sortimo one linked above.

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« Reply #51 on: May 06, 2019, 09:45 AM »
If I was looking for a first aid kit in the midst of an emergency I would notice red.  Fire extinguisher, panic button, first aid kit,....

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« Reply #52 on: May 06, 2019, 03:41 PM »
I would go with the all red as Peter mentioned, fill with the contents WOW did in his, since he was an EMT.  I would the have either a cross or the words first aid in white stickers made. 
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« Reply #53 on: May 06, 2019, 04:05 PM »
If I was looking for a first aid kit in the midst of an emergency I would notice red.  Fire extinguisher, panic button, first aid kit,....

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« Reply #54 on: May 06, 2019, 04:42 PM »
Red systainer with white latch and handle. (a bit more costly and risk, I'll need to swap latches/handles)

Can you order a Systainer w/o the standard latch and handle then buy the white ones?
Or is that what you were planning to do. If that's possible you won't end up with a bunch
of red latches and handles.

Maybe offer both, but order them as all one color and swap out the latches and handles once you have them.
Then you could offer both a red with white handle and latch and a white with red handle and latch.

All for the same low, low price  [big grin]
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« Reply #55 on: May 06, 2019, 11:31 PM »
Yeah, my vote is red systainer, white latch. Add me to the list to buy another. 
 I have the old one, the only thing I added was a couple of quick clot patches. Happily replaced a whole lot of expired bits over the last few years.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #56 on: May 07, 2019, 12:25 PM »
An update - trying to move fast so I can get this load of systainers in a container leaving from Germany yet this week for arrival in June.  Tanos USA team was able to work with me on a special order that I'm happy to be able to offer through Systainer.Store.  Thank you Tanos!  I'm ordering many units, though since I haven't quantified demand hopefully I didn't under order for this first batch.

A kit from our store will be composed of:
* SYS-I, red body, with white T-LOC and white handle
* Lid foam, to keep contents in place
* A divider of some sort, see below.
* Sticker/labels to be customer applied - yet to be designed and specified, want to be sure they are good quality and strong adhesive.
* No medical supplies will be included at this time.  As a community I recommend we pick the best package from Amazon and I'll happily link it to the product page. 

For a divider, I'm thinking Vario2.  There is Vario3, which is three rows.  I've attached the image of Vario2, which comes with 6 dividers. 

For those requesting a MINI SYS-I.  I really love this idea too.  I'll look at getting a few red latches to sell as parts in my store and to experiment with.  I can possible do a full "kit" once we get the above SYS-I kit set up.

So - let me know your thoughts on internal divider.  Vario2, Vario3, other?








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« Reply #57 on: May 07, 2019, 01:07 PM »
I would definitely be interested in a red sys1 w/white lock etc - keep us updated!
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« Reply #58 on: May 07, 2019, 01:48 PM »
I’d be interested in a Mini for the garage to complement the WOW Mini in the shop.  [smile]

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« Reply #59 on: May 07, 2019, 04:15 PM »
Love the idea of the internal divider, I do have concerns over cost though. Looks like the varios tend to be pretty expensive - I'd be perfectly fine with something like the universal one. I would not pay more than $100 for a Sys-I with an insert, even if it is a more flexible insert.

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« Reply #60 on: May 07, 2019, 05:19 PM »
Love the idea of the internal divider, I do have concerns over cost though. Looks like the varios tend to be pretty expensive - I'd be perfectly fine with something like the universal one. I would not pay more than $100 for a Sys-I with an insert, even if it is a more flexible insert.

I would also like a price before committing, but I am interested in a Sys1. LV has some dividers that are reasonable in price, but I have not looked to see if any fit this particular application. I think they may have too many small compartments.
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« Reply #61 on: May 07, 2019, 06:36 PM »
I would be interested as well in the red sys1 with the white latch.  Keep us posted.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #62 on: May 07, 2019, 09:49 PM »
Thank you for the continued feedback and vote of support, I do appreciate it as I take a bold step and add this custom item to the Systainer.Store. 

It looks like I'm narrowing in on the following:
8xxxxxxxx :: systainer T-Loc I (carmine red body, white T-LOC and Handle)   
81200323 :: Vario 2 insert with 6 dividers   
81200230 :: systainer lid insert EPP (Expanded Polypropylene) 5mm   
Sticker decal, yet to be design & specified and priced

I hear your comments about price.  Looking at list price on the above, and having not priced the sticker sheets yet, the total comes out to $97.5.  So, yes, it is under the $100 mark without medical supplies.  It will be a while before I need to finalize on price.  Systainer.Store has a free shipping on $100 order or more, so perhaps I could list right at $100 and include the free shipping.  Or maybe I set up some sort of preorder scheme where if I can get enough commitments on preorders I'll give everyone some discount.  Hmmm - it is dangerous to be thinking out loud here as there is more I need to cost out.

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« Reply #63 on: May 08, 2019, 01:59 AM »
That sounds great.... count me in for 1.
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« Reply #64 on: May 08, 2019, 06:49 PM »
The order from Germany is confirmed.  Alexandra from Tanos USA worked her magic and delivered some renders that we can look at till the product arrives in June.  While we wait, I'll get working on some sticker designs and bounce them off you guys.  Also, in another day or two I'll cook up a "expression of interest" survey so you can sign up.  I'll likely send out preorder invites to reserve stock once we get closer.  I don't want anyone committing or buy until I get closer and know what the sticker design is.

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« Reply #65 on: May 08, 2019, 08:07 PM »
Nice. I’ll be in for one


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« Reply #66 on: May 08, 2019, 08:25 PM »
Looks great! Can’t wait to see it with the stickers you’re working on.


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« Reply #67 on: May 09, 2019, 12:02 AM »
Looks great!

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« Reply #68 on: May 09, 2019, 06:37 AM »
Ditto all the above comments.
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« Reply #69 on: May 09, 2019, 11:41 AM »
I really wish the mini was available in red... [sad] [sad]

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« Reply #70 on: May 09, 2019, 11:59 AM »
Hey @Cheese ,

If you don't mind the branding/advertising, I can get you one (or more) of these:

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Let me know. :)

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« Reply #71 on: May 09, 2019, 12:46 PM »
Me too, I wish I had the MINI in all red. If we did a large enough preorder (100s), we may be able to convince Tanos.
I did order red latches for the MINI, so I can put those on the grey systainer to test as a small First Aid envelop. 

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« Reply #72 on: May 09, 2019, 01:16 PM »
Me too, I wish I had the MINI in all red. If we did a large enough preorder (100s), we may be able to convince Tanos.
I did order red latches for the MINI, so I can put those on the grey systainer to test as a small First Aid envelop. 

Well thanks to Oliver 🙏 , we know Tanos is already producing them for Endel & Dietze so acquiring the colored resin/pellets isn't an issue. I wonder if you could piggy-back off of their next order. So for the next production run, Tanos would just mold some extra red minis and ship them to your address.

That way there's no up-charge for changing the resin color and probably not a minimum quantity.

It's very similar to what happens in powder coating. There's no up-charge to shoot a particular color if they are already shooting it for a particular customer/order.
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« Reply #73 on: May 09, 2019, 01:37 PM »
Good idea Cheese, just need them to set a bunch aside so they're not silkscreened with the logo.
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« Reply #74 on: May 09, 2019, 01:41 PM »
If Tim can order colored Mini's starting at 100 pieces, that's also much better than the current 400 pieces minimum order for colored Minis on the German Tanos site.



I have also seen all red Minis without branding before, but couldn't locate any available stock.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #75 on: May 09, 2019, 02:47 PM »
This is fair thinking about the MINIs.

In looking at other colored Systianers, it was made very clear to me the we can't get Systainers with a color that is produced for another brand.  That makes sense, I don't wan't a "trademark" color.  If it is a generic color, yes, but not a specific colors.  For instance, Fein has a specific orange and that is different than that Tanos Orange.  Tanos Orange is easily orderable, Fein orange is only orderable by Fein and in the 1000s.  If we want a custom color, it would be in the 1000s.

I'm not sure about this specific brand mini, I'll have to research more and ask.  I'm thinking multiple 100s, hoping for less than 1000.  Just 100 I don't think is enough.  But again, we can build a "case" for this.  Tanos USA was willing to go to bat for us on the SYS-I set up and I'd love to order more of those to show demand and being a good partner with the systainer community. 

Let me make progress on SYS-I labels/stickers and then circle back to the minis. 

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #76 on: May 10, 2019, 09:02 AM »
I would be interested as well please.

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« Reply #77 on: May 10, 2019, 11:43 AM »
In looking at other colored Systianers, it was made very clear to me the we can't get Systainers with a color that is produced for another brand.  If it is a generic color, yes, but not a specific colors.

FWIW...the standard color red that Tanos molds Systainer items in is Carmine Red, RAL 3002.

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Re: First Aid Systainer
« Reply #78 on: May 11, 2019, 09:22 AM »
ISO has defined a white "plus" on a green background as the official first aid symbol. See also ISO 7010 Reference E003. It might be different in the US, but in most countries I have visited (quite a few) this symbol was indeed used in preference over the red and white combination. I have not found a formal colour designation, but this is what I use: Pantone PMS 356C. Close approximations are CMYK 100,0,91,27 or RGB 0,186,17 or HEX 00BA11. Most often, but not always, I see this green symbol on an orange background. This colour was probably chosen to be in conformance with both the OSHA and ANSI guidelines a.o. These organisations have not assigned formal colour codes to their recommended colours, as far as I know.

In case anyone is interested I have attached a template you can use to print stickers that fit a mini systainer.

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« Reply #79 on: May 11, 2019, 10:43 AM »
In case anyone is interested I have attached a template you can use to print stickers that fit a mini systainer.

Just curious where you purchased the red Mini?

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« Reply #80 on: May 11, 2019, 01:49 PM »
It is a bright orange mini-systainer. I cheated a bit. If you were to look underneath the sticker on the lid you would see a BTI logo.    [big grin]

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« Reply #81 on: May 12, 2019, 04:41 PM »
Nice work on your MINI!  That looks easy and noticeable. 

As an engineer, I struggled with following the standard of green/white or red/white.  What I decided is the sticker/decals I produce will have a couple varieties.  This way you can outfit your red systainer with what labeling you would like.  Boy, this will wreak havoc on those that are color blind with red/green! 


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« Reply #82 on: May 12, 2019, 04:58 PM »
Another thing to keep in mind is the dispute over the use of the red/white/plus combination. This wikipedia page is an interesting read on the topic. In short: both the international Red Cross organisation and Johnson & Johnson claim it is theirs to use. And you thought only the color blind would be confused...?  [blink]

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« Reply #83 on: May 12, 2019, 05:35 PM »
I'm planning on just white crosses. 

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« Reply #84 on: May 12, 2019, 07:06 PM »
All of this discussion prompted me to go have a look inside my trusty OLD first aid kit.  Glad I did because many of the items were really shot after over 15 years of sitting mostly unused (fortunately). 

I started thinking about trying to replace the appropriate items and put them into a mini systainer, but when I looked at what else I would like to add to the kit, they wouldn't fit the mini.  So I'm thinking a Sys 1 first aid kit would be a great solution.



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« Reply #85 on: May 12, 2019, 10:56 PM »
All of this discussion prompted me to go have a look inside my trusty OLD first aid kit.  Glad I did because many of the items were really shot after over 15 years of sitting mostly unused (fortunately). 

And that's the conundrum Dick. If you let vegetables just sit in a bowl on the counter and if they're not consumed, they all spoil eventually.

I have a WOW mini and I'm sure some of the contents are toast at this point.

While I'm really glad I didn't have to use the contents, it does become an annoyance as those perceived to be frequently used spoiled items do need to be replenished on a continual basis.
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« Reply #86 on: May 13, 2019, 06:10 AM »
All of this discussion prompted me to go have a look inside my trusty OLD first aid kit.  Glad I did because many of the items were really shot after over 15 years of sitting mostly unused (fortunately).

All of the DIN first aid kits here have expiration dates on the box, usually five to ten years after purchase depending on how long they have been sitting on the shelf.  First aid kits are mandatory for vehicles and are inspection items during the vehicle safety inspection.  An out of date first aid kit will cause a vehicle to fail its safety inspection.

Fortunately, only those sterilized items that come into direct contact with the wound have to be changed, and the other items, such as tape, gauze, and external bandages, don't have expiration dates.  Unfortunately, I haven't found any supplemental date stickers to attach to the first aid kit to identify the new expiration date, so the path of least resistance is to replace the kit in its entirety.

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« Reply #87 on: May 13, 2019, 06:14 AM »
The vehicle inspection thing is a European requirement?  Or Germany specific?  Private vehicles or business vehicles?  I'm curious, as there isn't such a thing in Michigan.  In some US states I know there is a vehicle emissions check. 

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« Reply #88 on: May 13, 2019, 07:30 AM »
The vehicle inspection thing is a European requirement?  Or Germany specific?  Private vehicles or business vehicles?  I'm curious, as there isn't such a thing in Michigan.  In some US states I know there is a vehicle emissions check.
I dont' know if it is a European requirement, but it is certainly a requirement in Germany for all vehicles except motorcycles.  The vehicle safety inspection list includes a valid first aid kit, warning triangle for roadside emergencies, and safety vests for all occupants of the vehicle (although two vests seems to be the accepted limit).

When taking a vehicle in for the biennial inspection, the first aid kit, warning triangle, and vests must be placed on the passenger seat so the inspector can see them and verify the date on the first aid kit.

Germany is also brutal on the emissions inspections.  Large cities, such as Frankfurt, Stuttgart, Wiesbaden, Munich, and Berlin, created a restricted area around the city, called the "Umweltzone" (environmental zone), that prohibits all vehicles that do not meet at least the Euro 4 standard.  Vehicles that meet this standard have a green decal in the lower right corner of the windshield, and the owner of any vehicle driving or parking in the Umweltzone that doesn't have the Euro 4 decal will receive a fine of at least €105 (about $120).  Unfortunately for the vehicle owner, these fines are cumulative and passing through multiple inspection points in a single trip result in multiple fines.

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« Reply #89 on: May 13, 2019, 09:31 AM »
Thank you for the details @MikeGE I appreciate learning a bit more about your part of the world. 

For all those interested in the first aid systainer we've been talking about, I put together a Google Form where you can note your interest.  This isn't a preorder, but I would like to get a clear indication of interest.  Once we get closer to receiving the stock, we will use this list to contact for preorders.  In addition, the survey has some questions to understand what kind of labels you would want to put on the unit.  Ideally I design a "variety sheet" of labels and you can customize it to your hearts content.  Though if I need to limit the labels to limit the cost, I'd like to understand preferences. 

Go ahead and fill out the form here:  https://forms.gle/SzB9rGEFMcDTdjEx6

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« Reply #90 on: May 14, 2019, 06:32 PM »
I've gotten several great responses on the Google Form linked above, for those that want to indicate interest and get in on the first batch.  Already it is looking like I may have to order a second batch, which is a good thing!

I'll give it a couple more days before I post this form on our Instagram and Email list, since the idea originated in the form, I want to give you a head start to get on the list and share your opinions.

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« Reply #91 on: May 18, 2019, 08:58 AM »
not to throw a monkey wrench into this, but I was just getting some electrical tools from my SYS-SB to replace a wall outlet and thought the SYS-Storage Box (SYS-SB 499901) with the cantilever trays might make a good First Aid box. It's only a couple bucks more that a Sys-2 and quick access to everything. Don't need a divider or tray cause it's built in. See through top lets you know right where stuff is. Big items on the bottom but you don't have to drag everything out, just fold the top tray out of the way to access the bottom compartment.

https://www.festoolusa.com/products/systainer,-sortainer-and-systainer-port/systainer/499901---sys-sb
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« Reply #92 on: May 21, 2019, 11:45 PM »
Do we have any idea on availability yet?

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« Reply #93 on: May 22, 2019, 06:20 AM »
Do we have any idea on availability yet?

Product was ordered a couple weeks ago.  They are in the container on a boat from Germany.  Still targeting middle of June.
This week I've struck up a conversation at a local industrial label maker too see if we can work together on the labels.  This week or weekend and into next week I plan to noodle on the label designs.  Hopefully I can kick off label printing next week though there needs to a bit more discussion and quoting and a chance I'll have to find an different supplier.  I'm hoping to work locally (Grand Rapids/West Michigan).

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« Reply #94 on: May 23, 2019, 12:09 AM »
Do we have any idea on availability yet?

Product was ordered a couple weeks ago.  They are in the container on a boat from Germany.  Still targeting middle of June.
This week I've struck up a conversation at a local industrial label maker too see if we can work together on the labels.  This week or weekend and into next week I plan to noodle on the label designs.  Hopefully I can kick off label printing next week though there needs to a bit more discussion and quoting and a chance I'll have to find an different supplier.  I'm hoping to work locally (Grand Rapids/West Michigan).

Thanks for the update.

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