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Offline Cheese

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2016, 11:57 AM »
Ran across this the other day, does anyone have experience using the Omni=Joint system? The 90 degree capability seems pretty handy for certain apps. Swiss made.


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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #31 on: January 31, 2016, 02:33 PM »
Ran across this the other day, does anyone have experience using the Omni=Joint system? The 90 degree capability seems pretty handy for certain apps. Swiss made.
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Maybe im missing something??? You might aswell use a screw??

Especially when they demonstrate using it on a mid rail.  It has a fixing going through the side.

So not sure its worth the hassle??

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Offline Davej

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2016, 03:43 PM »
Seems like over engineering for the sake of it .doesn't pull the bottom rail tight together and the mid rail fixing is just a metal crossdowel ,  or am I missing something.
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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2016, 03:46 PM »
Seems like over engineering for the sake of it .doesn't pull the bottom rail tight together and the mid rail fixing is just a metal crossdowel ,  or am I missing something.
Dave

I think you covered it.

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2016, 06:21 PM »
Just curious if anyone had hands-on experience with the item. I was curious to the amount of structural integrity the system added to the final product. It's pretty easy to add some large wood dowels/Dominos and glue, to a wood frame and when it's cured you have a pretty stiff structure. Trying to achieve the same results with stainless rod, screws and no adhesive, could prove to be a more daunting task. Although, I guess you could use glue on the wood interfaces. But that would eliminate the option that it could be used for knock-down applications.

Interesting that they're focusing on it being used in the commercial window making and door making business. Specifically targeting Euro style windows (like hoppers) & doors. There's a lot of weight that needs to be kept in check, especially when using triple glazing.

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2016, 08:34 PM »
Seems like over engineering for the sake of it .doesn't pull the bottom rail tight together and the mid rail fixing is just a metal crossdowel ,  or am I missing something.
Dave

I think you covered it.


It is very possible for this hardware being capable of pulling the joint together and with great force, If the set screw hole is slightly offset to the mating taper. Think draw boring. This looks like it is designed for components made via CNC. Drilling the holes precisely would be very difficult and time consuming as a manual operation but quite easy on CNC with right angle head capability (read high end and expensive). The observation of heavy window construction is dead on. Glue might not even be necessary .
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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2016, 02:01 AM »
The other goodness is that it can be taken apart...
So one could test it out prior to glue up or be able to replace in the inset piece.

But at that point is it better than an Invis or a screw or some other dowel (IKEA) like fastener.

Using a Clamp-X rather than a biscuit this weekend, it makes sense when one needs to pull apart the piece to add a feature.

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #37 on: February 02, 2016, 02:16 AM »
I like the concept but I'd be more inclined to buy if this was a pre glued domino where you just use water to activate the glue. To me more hassle then my current set up. Just my 2 cents

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #38 on: February 02, 2016, 02:02 PM »
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We have now two final manufacturers to choose from that will produce the glue-less Domino.

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #39 on: February 02, 2016, 03:06 PM »
Funny... Golden chalice and knockdown furniture are two things you would not expect in one sentence.
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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #40 on: February 02, 2016, 03:17 PM »
Funny... Golden chalice and knockdown furniture are two things you would not expect in one sentence.


Unlike Ikea and fall apart furniture  [smile]
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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #41 on: February 02, 2016, 11:23 PM »
Funny... Golden chalice and knockdown furniture are two things you would not expect in one sentence.

@Festoolfootstool maybe I should revise it to something like "brown mug" eh? [big grin]

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #42 on: March 17, 2016, 07:37 AM »
Hi guys,

Here is a copy of the latest newsletter:

Festools own new Domino tenon.
As you have might noticed, Festool has just released new glue-less Domino tenons. https://www.festool.com/Products/Accessories/Pages/Variations.aspx?pid=201827&ppid=574320

We have waited for this new update after the release from Festool. As you will see, this glue-less Domino tenons are made for the bigger Domino joiner DF 700. The Dominofix is made and developed for the its little brother the Domino DF 500. Our application area for this first Dominofix will be cabinetry.

How it the production going?
We are at the stage that the manufacturer is producing a test-bulk. Meaning that 1000 pieces are produced and tested to see if the manufacturing process works out.

We also have received a big interest from unexpected angle regarding the Dominofix but more from that will be released later when we are in a more later stage.

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #43 on: March 17, 2016, 07:51 AM »
Very interesting stuff!

Peter

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #44 on: March 17, 2016, 07:58 AM »
The price off this https://www.festool.com/Products/Accessories/Pages/Detail.aspx?pid=201353&name=Connector-for-DOMINO-joining-machine-SV-SYS-D14 will be the real decider.

Ironic that I was thinking of hunting down a Zeta shortly. Hmmm [huh]

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #45 on: March 17, 2016, 08:06 AM »
The price off this https://www.festool.com/Products/Accessories/Pages/Detail.aspx?pid=201353&name=Connector-for-DOMINO-joining-machine-SV-SYS-D14 will be the real decider.

Ironic that I was thinking of hunting down a Zeta shortly. Hmmm [huh]

Kev the Zeta is five years further down the road at the current festool rate of development best just go and buy one, I would recommend spending the extra and getting the diamond blade at the same time.
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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #46 on: March 17, 2016, 08:10 AM »
The price off this https://www.festool.com/Products/Accessories/Pages/Detail.aspx?pid=201353&name=Connector-for-DOMINO-joining-machine-SV-SYS-D14 will be the real decider.

Ironic that I was thinking of hunting down a Zeta shortly. Hmmm [huh]

Kev the Zeta is five years further down the road at the current festool rate of development best just go and buy one, I would recommend spending the extra and getting the diamond blade at the same time.

@Kev He speaketh true words.

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #48 on: March 17, 2016, 11:51 AM »
I would like to see some video on how these things work.

Is it still the usual practice in countries like Germany for apartment renters to install their own kitchen cabinets when they move in and then take them with them when they move out? If so, then I could see more use for these in such situations. 

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #49 on: March 18, 2016, 11:16 AM »
Following this development with great interest. I currently make my cabinets with the df500 and this would make an extra USP I could add to my repertoire without much difficulty.

Love the ''innovation'' of the Domino XL, I can't really justify the purchase of one for the 2 or 3 times a year I'll use it but when options like this get added it becomes more and more interesting. Perhaps I should start making more doors and bedframes etc...

On the topic of knockdown kitchens in Germany, im far from an expert but I havent heard this being used ever. Ikea is rather popular though, for cheaper rent options.

Something else I thought of, it would be feasible for even a hobbyist like me to transport larger cabinet setups if everything including the drawers is knockdown and can be assembled by the client. Sort of like custom high quality ikea...

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #50 on: March 18, 2016, 11:57 AM »
My zeta gets used more and more everyday. I second the diamond blade. Zeta creates a mechanical lock with the mortise it cuts out and p connectors. domino will never be able to do that.

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #51 on: March 18, 2016, 02:26 PM »
Do you know if it will have a stateside release as well?  Doesn't seem like something one would need a bunch of extra regulatory certification for, given that it's not a machine or electric.

Looks like it only works with the 700 series Domino -

https://www.festool.com/Products/Accessories/Pages/Detail.aspx?pid=201353&name=Connector-for-DOMINO-joining-machine-SV-SYS-D14
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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #52 on: March 19, 2016, 05:05 PM »
Following this development with great interest. I currently make my cabinets with the df500 and this would make an extra USP I could add to my repertoire without much difficulty.

Love the ''innovation'' of the Domino XL, I can't really justify the purchase of one for the 2 or 3 times a year I'll use it but when options like this get added it becomes more and more interesting. Perhaps I should start making more doors and bedframes etc...

On the topic of knockdown kitchens in Germany, im far from an expert but I havent heard this being used ever. Ikea is rather popular though, for cheaper rent options.

Something else I thought of, it would be feasible for even a hobbyist like me to transport larger cabinet setups if everything including the drawers is knockdown and can be assembled by the client. Sort of like custom high quality ikea...
You could look into Rastex connectors for this purpose?

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #53 on: April 12, 2016, 02:10 PM »
A copy from our newsletter send today:

The test production was successful!

As mentioned in the previous newsletter we mentioned that we had to test a bulk production to test on errors. The result was positive and we can enter the final stage before launching it. We are now getting all paperwork done regarding EU regulation before we can put the product on the market for both EU and NON-EU market.

We are hoping to have the Dominofix ready for order within 2 weeks and provide you with product pictures and video in 1 week!

We will offer a nice deal for all our news subscribers!

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #54 on: April 28, 2016, 02:45 AM »
Hi guys,

Wednesday May the 4th we will launch the product photos and video from Dominofix.

Keep you posted!

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #55 on: April 28, 2016, 04:09 AM »
My zeta gets used more and more everyday. I second the diamond blade. Zeta creates a mechanical lock with the mortise it cuts out and p connectors. domino will never be able to do that.

Yeah.. But...:
Those new domineckors so allow for those times when I stand back listening to the sage observations of the Haus-Frau... Stroke my beard... and pull it apart to remedy some unplanned needed modification.

So they have a similar 'mulligan beauty' as that of the ClampeX.

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #56 on: April 28, 2016, 05:28 AM »
The price off this https://www.festool.com/Products/Accessories/Pages/Detail.aspx?pid=201353&name=Connector-for-DOMINO-joining-machine-SV-SYS-D14 will be the real decider.

Ironic that I was thinking of hunting down a Zeta shortly. Hmmm [huh]

Looks like about GBP4-5 a fitting, given there seem to be about 32 fittings per set
http://www.healystool.co.uk/Festool-Domino-Connector-Range-SV-SYS-D14-201353-id65107.aspx

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #57 on: May 02, 2016, 12:42 PM »
A sneak peak for Wednesday.
https://www.facebook.com/dominofix/posts/272276073106320:0

We will launch the pictures and videos on our Facebook page and in our newsletter!

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #58 on: May 02, 2016, 09:40 PM »
Just to mirror what I posted on FB ...

Curious how much clamping effect this design would offer. I can see the anchoring effect would probably be ok. Regardless, this is immediately attractive to me if it's offered in ~D8 sizing.

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Re: Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool
« Reply #59 on: May 04, 2016, 11:11 AM »
Photo's, video and pricing is coming in a few hours! We will post it here, on our Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/dominofix/    and in the newsletter! Keep you posted!