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Offline Shane Holland

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Last day to order Woodpeckers OneTIME DIY MFT Jig (US)
« on: November 13, 2017, 04:22 PM »
Friendly reminder that today's the deadline to order this jig. Make your own MFT-style work surface with the 96mm on center 20mm hole grid just like the Festool MFT.

Scheduled to ship in Feb. 2018.

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Re: Last day to order Woodpeckers OneTIME DIY MFT Jig (US)
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2017, 05:41 PM »
Hey Shane , does that template allow use of the festool 20mm boring bit #491072 ?

What size bushing would be required  ?

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Re: Last day to order Woodpeckers OneTIME DIY MFT Jig (US)
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2017, 05:54 PM »
Hey Shane , does that template allow use of the festool 20mm boring bit #491072 ?

What size bushing would be required  ?

It includes two bushings, one for doing 20mm holes, one for doing 3/4” holes. Both are designed to be used with a 1/2” router bit.
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« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2017, 06:26 PM »
Hey Shane , does that template allow use of the festool 20mm boring bit #491072 ?
What size bushing would be required  ?
It includes two bushings, one for doing 20mm holes, one for doing 3/4” holes. Both are designed to be used with a 1/2” router bit.
So, the question boils down to what is the jig's hole size?
In order to use it with 20 mm boring bit one would need a bushing that fits tight in the hole. Looks about 40 mm or so to me.

In either case the bit and bushing must be perfectly coaxial for this to work. Otherwise the jig will be misaligned after re-positioning.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2017, 06:31 PM by Svar »

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Re: Last day to order Woodpeckers OneTIME DIY MFT Jig (US)
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2017, 06:42 PM »
@Svar the bushings are included. Or maybe you’re just guessing on their diameter.
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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2017, 06:44 PM »
@Svar the bushings are included. Or maybe you’re just guessing on their diameter.
I realize they are included.
I'm guessing the diameter of holes in the plate, so it can be used with a third party bushing and a 20 mm boring (plunge) bit.

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Re: Last day to order Woodpeckers OneTIME DIY MFT Jig (US)
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2017, 08:22 PM »
@Svar, unfortunately Woodpeckers is closed now and today is the last day to order. You can always order before tonight's deadline and if we get that info for you and it won't work out, you can cancel your order. But, if you don't order and miss the deadline, then there won't be another opportunity in the foreseeable future to get this item from Woodpeckers.

That said, I did some estimates in Photoshop based and it does indeed look to be about 40mm diameter holes (approximately at least). To be exact, I came up with 38.9mm just based on proportions.

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Re: Last day to order Woodpeckers OneTIME DIY MFT Jig (US)
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2017, 08:44 PM »
Shane - I love you and the Tool Nut , but it's answers like these that make my skin crawl and give salesmen a bad name.

You didn't answer my question at all, simply repeated the marketing bullet points that are on the sell sheet and talked about in the video and on the websites.  On the surface it's like it was ignored entirely.  Perhaps I wasn't concise enough, but Svar understands what I'm driving at.

I want to know if this jig can be used with a 20mm boring bit - specifically Festool's part# 491072 ?   And , what size bushing / collar would be needed. It clearly is not included in the promo material, but  WP must have thought about it - no ?   I mean we have to provide our own bit anyway. 

Now, maybe it doesn't work.  And maybe you don't know the answer.  Both of which are reasonable and OK. But ignoring the question because might not shed the best light on a product's shortcoming (if that's the case) isn't the usual great service I'm used to from you. 

p.s.  I still love ya man [smile]


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Re: Last day to order Woodpeckers OneTIME DIY MFT Jig (US)
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2017, 08:54 PM »
@antss,

I wasn't intentionally ignoring or dodging your question. I thought I had answered your questions and didn't connect your dots. I was out running some errands and answered from my phone. At a glance, it seemed like you had missed the info about the bushings and which bit to use with them. So, apologies if it came across the wrong way.

As I've now said, I don't know the dimensions of the hole in the template. It was not published by Woodpeckers or provided in the information about the product. I took an educated guess. I would need them to answer that question.

I will see if I can get any info from the President of Woodpeckers if he answers late night emails and knows the answer.

For the record, I have no fear of saying when I don't know the answer to a question.  [smile] Thanks for the love. All good, buddy.

Shane
« Last Edit: November 13, 2017, 08:57 PM by Shane Holland »
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Re: Last day to order Woodpeckers OneTIME DIY MFT Jig (US)
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2017, 09:35 PM »
Like I said - I probably wasn't concise enough.

At least for phone sized multitasking text  [tongue]

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Re: Last day to order Woodpeckers OneTIME DIY MFT Jig (US)
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2017, 10:01 PM »
I need to order one of these fixtures. It’d be pretty slick for what I’m working on now.

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Re: Last day to order Woodpeckers OneTIME DIY MFT Jig (US)
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2017, 12:36 PM »
@Svar @antss

I realize it's a little late at this point, but I just got a response from Woodpeckers.

The diameter of the holes in the jig are 1.4689 inches or 37.3mm.

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Re: Last day to order Woodpeckers OneTIME DIY MFT Jig (US)
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2017, 01:05 PM »
Thank you, Shane.
I wasn't going to buy. I just thought if the hole was sized to fit a standard bushing, or WP provided a tight fitting bushing for it, the system would be a little more versatile, i.e. allow for single plunge boring, that some might prefer.

Someone with a lathe could take a 1.5" bronze bushing and reduce it to fit. Even drill and sand paper could do the trick.
« Last Edit: November 14, 2017, 01:10 PM by Svar »

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Re: Last day to order Woodpeckers OneTIME DIY MFT Jig (US)
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2017, 01:30 PM »
I just placed my order for this OTT on the Woodpeckers web site. Woodpeckers will usually accept orders for OTT offerings for 4-5 days after the deadline.

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Re: Last day to order Woodpeckers OneTIME DIY MFT Jig (US)
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2017, 01:48 PM »
I just placed my order for this OTT on the Woodpeckers web site. Woodpeckers will usually accept orders for OTT offerings for 4-5 days after the deadline.

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« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2017, 02:17 PM »
I just placed my order for this OTT on the Woodpeckers web site. Woodpeckers will usually accept orders for OTT offerings for 4-5 days after the deadline.

 [crying]

Sorry Shane...just letting anyone that missed the order deadline know that they still have a chance.  [tongue]

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Re: Last day to order Woodpeckers OneTIME DIY MFT Jig (US)
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2017, 04:03 PM »
Thanks Shane.

I guess that's the size that corresponds to making both a 20mm and 3/4 hole with a 1/2 router bit with standard bushings.  Clearly a lot of thought went into this. 

It's not for me because I don't believe moving the router around to clear out the hole is very efficient.  I'd have bitten if I could use a straight plunge bit in the setup.  Would have been easy enough to make the jig with a standard bushing that fits the jig holes and accepts a 20mm and a 3/4" plunge bit. 

I do look forward to Cheese's review though.

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Re: Last day to order Woodpeckers OneTIME DIY MFT Jig (US)
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2017, 04:13 PM »
It's not for me because I don't believe moving the router around to clear out the hole is very efficient. 
It takes a little more time, but no tearout at the bottom. I tried both ways. Even if you place it on a spoil board, boring bit cuts out a thin disk at the end of the plunge, then the disk starts spinning and burning. It takes good depth adjustment and plunging technique to avoid it. Better tolerance with just plunging though.
« Last Edit: November 14, 2017, 04:19 PM by Svar »

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Re: Last day to order Woodpeckers OneTIME DIY MFT Jig (US)
« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2018, 01:52 PM »
Just a heads-up for anyone that ordered one of the 20mm hole boring jigs.

I ordered one of these jigs on the deadline day of November 13, 2017 with an estimated ship date of February 2018. I called Woodpeckers today to find out the current status of my order. I was told that it will PROBABLY  [sad]  be shipping within the next 2 weeks.

He also said that orders placed for this in December would not ship until the end of June.  [jawdrop] 

FWIW...It sounds like the order deadline isn't really a deadline after all.

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Re: Last day to order Woodpeckers OneTIME DIY MFT Jig (US)
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2018, 02:48 PM »
If anybody wants one but missed the deadline there is one up for sale on eBay. It's not mine and I have no affiliation with the seller

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Re: Last day to order Woodpeckers OneTIME DIY MFT Jig (US)
« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2018, 10:46 AM »
@Cheese

With Woodpecker One Time Tools I have found order “deadlines” and “shipping dates” to both be approximate and subject to change  [smile]
 


FWIW...It sounds like the order deadline isn't really a deadline after all.

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Re: Last day to order Woodpeckers OneTIME DIY MFT Jig (US)
« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2018, 10:51 AM »
@Cheese

With Woodpecker One Time Tools I have found order “deadlines” and “shipping dates” to both be approximate and subject to change  [smile]
 

Ya you got that one right... [big grin]

The good news is I received notice that today, I will be getting the MFT Jig delivered.  [cool]...very...[cool]

Now I can finally finish the work table extension I started in NOVEMBER[eek]
« Last Edit: May 18, 2018, 10:56 AM by Cheese »

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Re: Last day to order Woodpeckers OneTIME DIY MFT Jig (US)
« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2018, 04:31 PM »
Snipe

FWIW...It sounds like the order deadline isn't really a deadline after all.

Nor are they really one-time tools either.  [eek]

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Re: Last day to order Woodpeckers OneTIME DIY MFT Jig (US)
« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2018, 04:51 PM »
How does this compare to the parf system?  Has anybody used both?

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Woodpeckers OTT MFT Hole-Boring Jig
« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2018, 03:33 PM »
So, the question boils down to what is the jig's hole size?
In order to use it with 20 mm boring bit one would need a bushing that fits tight in the hole. Looks about 40 mm or so to me.

In either case the bit and bushing must be perfectly coaxial for this to work. Otherwise the jig will be misaligned after re-positioning.

@Svar

I finally got the Hole-Boring Jig.
The template holes are 37.40 mm ID.
The brass template bushing has a 30.00 mm OD.
The Whiteside router bit has a 12.70 mm OD.
So going strictly by the numbers, the holes should theoretically be 20.10 mm ID.
After boring 60 holes they actually come out to an average of 20.19 mm with a standard deviation of .05 mm.

Unfortunately, the Woodpecker dogs that ship with the MFT Layout & Assembly Square have an OD of 19.90 mm, while Veritas dogs have an OD of 19.80 mm.

So again doing the math:
20.19 - 19.90 (Woodpeckers dog) = .29 mm/.011" slop.
20.19 - 19.80 (Veritas dog) = .39 mm/.015" slop.

The good news is that I bored 12 holes and over the distance of 12 horizontal holes (approx 45”), from the leading edge of the 1st, to the leading edge of the 12th, I’m measuring 1055.50/1055.75 mm from a theoretically perfect value of 1056 mm.  [cool]...very... [cool]
« Last Edit: May 30, 2018, 11:48 AM by Cheese »

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Re: Woodpeckers OneTIME Tool® - Hole-Boring Jig
« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2018, 04:29 PM »
I received the Woodpeckers MFT Jig and decided to use it to route 20mm holes in 19mm thick Baltic birch using the recommended Whiteside 1/2" router bit.

The first 32 holes:
I worked on this top outside on a large teak table (roughly 250#) that will seat 12 people so it's rather sturdy, however it will still sway a little bit, much like an MFT. Not a lot of sway but it's there. The hole making was difficult and after the initial plunge, the router still had to be moved in a circular pattern 8-10 times for each hole.  It was slow going. The hole diameters averaged 20.20mm with a std deviation of .2mm. Time needed was 2 hours.  [mad]

The second 32 holes:
It started raining so I moved the project downstairs to the work bench. This bench is solid with no movement what so ever, it probably weighs in around 600-700#. The hole making was much easier because of the sturdiness of the bench, however the router still needed to be moved in a circular pattern 4-5 times for each hole. The hole diameters averaged 20.15mm with a std deviation of .05mm. A definite improvement. Time needed was 1-1/4 hours.  [sad]

At this point I decided to halt the project and just think about the next step. I had now produced 64 holes that averaged 20.20mm to 20.15mm in diameter. However the actual range of hole sizes was 19.92mm to 20.54mm. [eek]  This was pretty much out of control for precision positioning with existing commercial dogs.
Woodpeckers dogs = 19.90mm
Veritas dogs = 19.80mm
What I had was a top that could be used for clamping but certainly not for locating pieces precisely. 

After more measuring I realized the hole location accuracy for this jig was spot on. After routing 12 holes, the distance from the leading edge of the 1st hole to the leading edge of the 12th hole measured 1055.50mm versus a perfect dimension of 1056.00mm.  Not quite up to CNC tolerances but extremely accurate for this type of fixture.

What I really needed to control was the final hole diameter if I wanted to use this for precision registration of parts. Uniform hole diameter is what I was after. Once I achieved that, I could then make custom sized dogs that fit the holes or purchase the adjustable dogs from UJK.

With this in mind, I decided the next step would be to purchase the Festool 20mm hinge boring bit and use it with the Woodpeckers jig. The Festool bit would give me a consistently round hole and a consistently sized hole.
I just needed to machine an aluminum adapter ring with a snug ID to fit the Woodpeckers brass guide bushing and a snug OD to fit inside the Woodpeckers template. The final 32 holes were routed with this combination.

The third 32 holes:
The project was again moved outside and placed on the teak table. The OF 1400 speed was set to 4 and that seemed like a sweet spot.  The holes were incredibly easy to produce because the only motion needed was to plunge the boring bit into the ply. No extra circular motion needed. The holes came out to 20.10mm with a std deviation that's nil. Time needed was 15-20 minutes.  [big grin]   [big grin]

Photo 1. The aluminum adapter bushing.

Photo 2. The aluminum bushing along with the Woodpeckers guide bushing.

Photo 3. The average play between a dog and the first 32 holes, .016-.017".

Photo 4. The average play between a dog and the second 32 holes, .007-.008".

Photo 5. The average play between a dog and the third 32 holes, .005".

Photo 6. A typical hole routed with the 1/2" router bit and the circular motion needed to clean up the hole.

Photo 7. A look at several of the holes routed with the 1/2" router bit. Almost all of them appear to be irregular and a little out of round.

Photo 8. A look at several of the holes routed with the Festool hinge boring bit. Uniform in size and round.

Photo 9. The MFT layout square.
« Last Edit: June 18, 2018, 05:04 PM by Cheese »