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Offline Shane Holland

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New accessories coming October 1st, 2018. Pre-order now to reserve yours!


New Festool CT Cyclone pre-separate for CT 26/36/36AC/48/22/33 models ($375), as well as replacement containers and bags.



New Festool MINI Systainer Limited Edition Centrotec Set ($120). Limited quantities, while supplies last!!!



New Festool MINI Systainer with transparent lid ($33) and MINI Systainer UNI with transparent lid ($40).



New Festool SysLite Tripod Bag ST-BAG ($100).

« Last Edit: July 09, 2018, 03:26 PM by Shane Holland »
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Bump.

Just a reminder that Festool USA has indicated that the Limited Edition Centrotec Set will be available in very limited quantities, while supplies last. And, it looks like it's going to be a popular item. Order any of these new accessories now and we will not charge your credit card until it ships.

Note: Paypal orders are billed immediately.

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I do not get this limited edition crap on a consumables setup. Just make it available regularly and sell the item all the time.

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Nice option to have, but i think because of the limited height, seperation performance will be less than an oneida dust deputy.
The cylcone likely operates more like a thien baffle than a real cyclone i think.
But yeah... it's nice to have anoter option, and this integrates better with systainers and is more compact. Seperation performance will be inferior, but hey, it's still better than no pre-seperation to save bags...
I'm looking forward to the first reviews and YouTube videos :)
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I do not get this limited edition crap on a consumables setup. Just make it available regularly and sell the item all the time.

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Many manufacturers will offer promotional or limited run items at special prices:

Let's break down this deal.  Let's make the assumption that those who buy this already have a Festool drill.  Each drill comes with a Centrotec adaptor and a bit holder (as far as I know).

Promotion Price            $120.00
Mini Systainer               ($ 40.00)
Centrotec Adaptor       ($ 40.00)
Centrotec Bitholder     ($ 26.00)
Promotional Bit Cost     $ 14.00        Cost for all the Bits Included in Kit

@TylerC @Festool USA   GREAT PROMOTION in my mind!

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I do not get this limited edition crap on a consumables setup. Just make it available regularly and sell the item all the time.

The largest issue I have with the limited editions is the lack of spare parts availability. I purchased the imperial installer set and have been lucky. Three years later and the SET is still a SET.

Others have not been so fortunate, there have been several people on the FOG that have lost or damaged their imperial brad point drills and there are no spares offered by Festool.  Their SET is no longer...  [sad]  [mad]

Offline Jim Metzger

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I have bit holders and adapters from two drills. What this set should have included is the Centrotec handle for handheld use as a screwdriver.

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I do not get this limited edition crap on a consumables setup. Just make it available regularly and sell the item all the time.

The largest issue I have with the limited editions is the lack of spare parts availability. I purchased the imperial installer set and have been lucky. Three years later and the SET is still a SET.

Others have not been so fortunate, there have been several people on the FOG that have lost or damaged their imperial brad point drills and there are no spares offered by Festool.  Their SET is no longer...  [sad]  [mad]

Festool most likely does not make any of the consumables they sell including the ones in these kits. Too many other companies can make these items better than they can and it keeps them focused on the tools. They can still gouge us for items even though they do not make them. If you look around at European tool makers you can probably find the replacement items you are looking for.

Offline Master Carpenter

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if they put that centrotec set, minus the chuck,  in a limited edition attic lid that I could attach to my drill systainer, I'd order one for each drill I have. Putting it in a mini systainer just doesn't work with my system. 
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If anyone is interested in the Centrotec and is on the edge - you snooze - you loose.  I am not trying to prompt sales (I don’t care about Festool sales as a volunteer Moderator) - just being the prophet here.

Consider yourselves forewarned.

Peter

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Peter

"just being the profit here"

I assume you meant prophet. I think that is sort of a Freudian slip since it is the Festool forum and Festool is certainly concerned with profit.

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"just being the profit here"

I assume you meant prophet. I think that is sort of a Freudian slip since it is the Festool forum and Festool is certainly concerned with profit.

Lol.  I have altered my post.  Thanks for the heads up.

Peter

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Re: Video of the NEW Festool CT Cyclone Dust Separator
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2018, 10:00 AM »
Here's a video showing the new CT Cyclone! Pre-order now for shipment on 10/1.

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That's neat to see it in action.  The clear bin is cool as you can actually see the cyclonic airflow.
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That's not what I'm seeing.  I'm seeing particles moving around from air turbulence.  I agree with others, I think "cyclone" is a stretch here. 
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Oh maybe not a true cyclone then, but wouldn't there need to be something cyclone-like in order to separate the dust from the larger chips or is there another way to do the separation with airflow?
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I would suggest focusing on the functionality and not what it's being called. I can tell you from my time at Festool that German-to-English translation is not always the best. [blink]
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I was looking at the new tools comeing in Oct. I like the cyclone but maybe for present to me for Xmas.

I saw the Limited Edition mini installers kit. I liked it and preordered it from Bob. Then I looked at some other offerings and they have the mini systainer with the clear lid (like the limited edition) and the insert. I thought that the limited edition though it had those 2 " bits was cool it didnt have the things I think would be best for me for on site work.

So I cancelled that order and pre-ordered the mini sytainer with the clear lid and insert. I can make my own installers kit with the stuff I would actually use, various bits,festool counter sink and the 4" square drive I like and use for pocket holes and other screws and the long and short extension.

Plus much like the standard Systainers they are stackable so If needed I can add other things to.
I have some tanos minis with inserts incase I need more stuff.

So I went and ordered that puppy

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Oh maybe not a true cyclone then, but wouldn't there need to be something cyclone-like in order to separate the dust from the larger chips or is there another way to do the separation with airflow?

Yup!  That's what others were referring to (thien baffle).  I suspect Festool's solution will be more similar to that than to an Oneida cyclone.  It will likely trade off fine dust separation for it's packaging and systainer-ability.
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Oops, I missed or forgot about that comment regarding the thien baffle.
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I've gotten confirmation that this is a true cyclone design, not a Thein baffle.
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I've gotten confirmation that this is a true cyclone design, not a Thein baffle.
Shane, just cut one in half and post the picture for us to judge.  [big grin]
I think the only thing that matters is separation efficiency. Does Festool provide any %% by particle size?

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I've gotten confirmation that this is a true cyclone design, not a Thein baffle.
Shane, just cut one in half and post the picture for us to judge.  [big grin]
I think the only thing that matters is separation efficiency. Does Festool provide any %% by particle size?

I read on the Festool website 95% for wood dust from routers and saws, 80% for concrete grinders
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Tough crowd. [big grin] Again, I think we're talking about semantics here. Call it a dust extracticator, coarse particle catcher, debris toilet, sawdust sanitizer, whatever. It captures coarse dust, saves on bags no matter what you call it. Feel free to submit your own ideas for what to call it.

Here are some pics of the guts.

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I've gotten confirmation that this is a true cyclone design, not a Thein baffle.
Shane, just cut one in half and post the picture for us to judge.  [big grin]
I think the only thing that matters is separation efficiency. Does Festool provide any %% by particle size?

I read on the Festool website 95% for wood dust from routers and saws, 80% for concrete grinders

That's funny, I thought everyone knew that the short cyclones were no good.   ;D
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Tough crowd. [big grin] Again, I think we're talking about semantics here. Call it a dust extracticator, coarse particle catcher, debris toilet, sawdust sanitizer, whatever. It captures coarse dust, saves on bags no matter what you call it. Feel free to submit your own ideas for what to call it.

Here are some pics of the guts.


Definitely not that  ^ . For sanitizing it would need a UV light set up.   [big grin]

I like coarse particle separator   [thumbs up]

Which based on the video it seems to do.  Also based on the video ...........................  the unit can be used without the clear bin. Yes, with less capacity but more compact. In that configuration it could handle smaller job site planing etc., but still conserve bags.

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A 5 gal capacity of the bin used with the Cyclone combined with the capacity of the CT (fine dust) it should hold alot of dust.


It mentions a plastic bag in the bin to ease the emptying. I wonder if I can use any 5 gal bag or is there something special about te festool ones?
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Tough crowd. [big grin] Again, I think we're talking about semantics here. Call it a dust extracticator, coarse particle catcher, debris toilet, sawdust sanitizer, whatever. It captures coarse dust, saves on bags no matter what you call it. Feel free to submit your own ideas for what to call it.

Here are some pics of the guts.

The most effective cyclone geometry is a 3:1 height:width ratio, which is why clearvues are so tall and why laguna DCs get such crummy reviews. The design of this will induce a "cyclonic airflow" but it's far more like a baffled trashcan separator than it is a cyclone... i'll predict here + now that a dust deputy will outperform it both from fines collection as well as from minimizing static pressure loss.

not saying it won't be effective, but like you say - semantics. If they're going to use the word Cyclone, we're going to judge it on that basis ;)

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Tough crowd. [big grin] Again, I think we're talking about semantics here. Call it a dust extracticator, coarse particle catcher, debris toilet, sawdust sanitizer, whatever. It captures coarse dust, saves on bags no matter what you call it. Feel free to submit your own ideas for what to call it.

Here are some pics of the guts.

The most effective cyclone geometry is a 3:1 height:width ratio, which is why clearvues are so tall and why laguna DCs get such crummy reviews. The design of this will induce a "cyclonic airflow" but it's far more like a baffled trashcan separator than it is a cyclone... i'll predict here + now that a dust deputy will outperform it both from fines collection as well as from minimizing static pressure loss.

not saying it won't be effective, but like you say - semantics. If they're going to use the word Cyclone, we're going to judge it on that basis ;)
This kind of speculation without firsthand knowledge annoys me.  That is how good tools get undeserved bad reputations.

Not everyone has the ceiling height for the tall cyclones.  The latest generation of Laguna cyclones get good reviews.  I'm very happy with mine.

I am sure the tall cyclones do have better separation than the shorter cyclones, but we are talking small differences that do not matter to the home hobbyist. 

The Festool "cyclone" looks like it has an additional disk or plate that may contribute to better separation.  The 3hp Laguna dust collectors also have an additional part that some people call the "cross bar" or "restrictor plate".  My guess is that these extra parts contribute to evening out the differences between the tall and short cyclones.

Collect as much dust as possible at the source, wear a dust mask and use a whole shop air filter.  You will be fine.
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Tough crowd. [big grin] Again, I think we're talking about semantics here. Call it a dust extracticator, coarse particle catcher, debris toilet, sawdust sanitizer, whatever. It captures coarse dust, saves on bags no matter what you call it. Feel free to submit your own ideas for what to call it.

Here are some pics of the guts.

The most effective cyclone geometry is a 3:1 height:width ratio, which is why clearvues are so tall and why laguna DCs get such crummy reviews. The design of this will induce a "cyclonic airflow" but it's far more like a baffled trashcan separator than it is a cyclone... i'll predict here + now that a dust deputy will outperform it both from fines collection as well as from minimizing static pressure loss.

not saying it won't be effective, but like you say - semantics. If they're going to use the word Cyclone, we're going to judge it on that basis ;)

Not everyone has the ceiling height for the tall cyclones.  The latest generation of Laguna cyclones get good reviews.  I'm very happy with mine.

I am sure the tall cyclones do have better sepration than the shorter cyclones, but we are talking small differences that do not matter to the home hobbiest. 

The Festool "cyclone" looks like it has an additional disk or plate that may contribute to better seperation.  The 3hp Laguna dust collectors also have an additional part that some people call the "restrictor plate".  My guess is that these extra parts contribute to evening out the differences between the tall and short cyclones.

Collect as much dust as possible at the source, wear a dust mask and use a whole shop air filter.  You will be fine.

Sorry, perhaps I wasn't clear - I'm talking about the ratio and not the overall size. Oneida's Dust Deputy is still a true cyclone, despite its small size. The festool solution is more like a Thien baffle, where the cyclonic action is induced. A "true" cyclone works so well because the air accelerates downwards so there's more "pull" on the big stuff and the fines as well.

Like I say, I'm not saying it won't work for what it is - many people are happy with their Thien baffles. But when they use the word "cyclone" in their marketing, with the price point they've got, it instantly makes a lot of people compare it to actual cyclones. I for one will be very interested to see a comparison with a Dust Deputy