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« on: November 13, 2009, 02:48 AM »

I am now taking orders for the Multi-position Guide Stop (MGS-20) attachment for the Domino Tenon Joiner. You can read more about this, or place orders at www.dominoguide.com

The MGS-20 was formally announced 2 weeks ago at the Festool USA headquarters during the Cabinetmaking End-User Training class on November 2. It is an attachment for your Domino joiner that fits on the Domino base using the existing screw holes for the Support Bracket.

The MGS-20 gives you stop positions, similar to the built-in pins on your Domino, except these are fully adjustable, and you can use more than 1 pair (up to six positions per side). It fits both new and old style Domino bases, and you do not need to alter your Domino to use it.

The position stops (called dogs) flip forward when needed, and flip back, out of the way, when not needed. They are extremely rigid when engaged and will not deflect sideways when you push the workpiece against them. This is critical for maintaining accurate mortise positions.

A spacing/adjusting screw can be used on any Dog arm to reduce the distance between stops. With a spacing screw installed, you can have two adjacent stop positions be as close together as 1/16-inch. They can also be used for fine tuning the stop positions.

The MGS-20 comes with 2-pair of stop position assemblies, stainless steel thumbscrews for mounting to your Domino, and instruction manual. The outer pair of stop assemblies also include stainless steel socket head cap screws for the spacing/adjusting screws.

The MGS-20 is available now for the introductory price of $99 (US).  www.dominoguide.com

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« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2009, 08:33 AM »

Those of us that attended the latest end user training at Festool HQ in Indiana got an up close look at the Multi-position Guide Stop.
This is a high quality attachment for the Domino.

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« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2009, 09:01 AM »

I am now taking orders for the Multi-position Guide Stop (MGS-20) attachment for the Domino Tenon Joiner. You can read more about this, or place orders at www.dominoguide.com

The MGS-20 was formally announced 2 weeks ago at the Festool USA headquarters during the Cabinetmaking End-User Training class on November 2. It is an attachment for your Domino joiner that fits on the Domino base using the existing screw holes for the Support Bracket.

The MGS-20 gives you stop positions, similar to the built-in pins on your Domino, except these are fully adjustable, and you can use more than 1 pair (up to six positions per side). It fits both new and old style Domino bases, and you do not need to alter your Domino to use it.

The position stops (called dogs) flip forward when needed, and flip back, out of the way, when not needed. They are extremely rigid when engaged and will not deflect sideways when you push the workpiece against them. This is critical for maintaining accurate mortise positions.

A spacing/adjusting screw can be used on any Dog arm to reduce the distance between stops. With a spacing screw installed, you can have two adjacent stop positions be as close together as 1/16-inch. They can also be used for fine tuning the stop positions.

The MGS-20 comes with 2-pair of stop position assemblies, stainless steel thumbscrews for mounting to your Domino, and instruction manual. The outer pair of stop assemblies also include stainless steel socket head cap screws for the spacing/adjusting screws.

The MGS-20 is available now for the introductory price of $99 (US).  www.dominoguide.com

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 Rick,

 I'm on board with this one! THANKS.

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« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2009, 09:06 AM »

Rick, congratulations on getting this going and I wish you lots of success with this endevour.

It looks like a great device  Thumbs Up and one that I would purchase if I had a Domino. But, I don't  Sad so I won't .
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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2009, 10:17 AM »

Rick - very nice design - congrats on the launch.

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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2009, 01:14 PM »

Nice Rick

Like Bob said! I am on board with this as well and will e-mail shortly.

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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2009, 08:16 PM »

Rick, are you planning a video anytime soon to show it in action?  It looks very nice by the way. 
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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2009, 08:37 PM »

A very well thought out tool that will enhance the versatility and capabilities of the Domino.   You should possibly consider becoming an engineer... Wink
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« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2009, 10:19 PM »

Great product!!! I will own one, I just know it.

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« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2009, 04:58 PM »

  OK, just got my delivery of the Guide Stops; won't get a chance to work with them until tomorrow, but MAN ARE THESE STOPS WELL ENGINEERED AND MANUFACTURED!  Very solid, built llike the proverbial tank.
 Right on, Rick.Thumbs Up

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« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2009, 05:46 PM »

Rick,
SUPER QUALITY & ENGINEERING!

I just attached mine & ran through your set up instructions -- dead simple & worked like a charm, it couldn't be simpler!

This is really going to be a great enhancement for an already great tool!

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« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2009, 07:02 PM »

Thanks Guys.

I had a feeling you were going to be surprised by how robust they are built. Hey, if you can't over-engineer it, what's the fun in doing it at all?  Tongue Out

Most people aren't accustomed to seeing anything made from 14 gauge steel, and you would be hard pressed to find anything else in the workshop made this thick. Not even a cabinet tablesaw uses steel this thick. The last thing I wanted to do was skimp on materials. Even all of the fasteners are stainless steel, with the exception of the 4 phillips-head screws. Even the custom-made thumbscrews are stainless steel, and if you had to buy them non-custom in quantities of 1's or 10's, they would cost $10 to $15 apiece.

In order to be able to put such high quality parts into the guide, I had to "Plan" for success, not just "hope" for it. If I didn't build these in high volume, they would cost $800 each, and obviously that wouldn't sell very well.
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« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2009, 07:11 PM »

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In order to be able to put such high quality parts into the guide, I had to "Plan" for success, not just "hope" for it. If I didn't build these in high volume, they would cost $800 each, and obviously that wouldn't sell very well.
Rick, I like the way that you think (and plan). Thumbs Up
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« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2009, 01:07 PM »

Rick,

I like your design ! ( and your entrepreneurial guts ).
From the looks of it  the markings are imperial, aren't they ? Planning to do a Metric version as well? ( not that it's a big issue, with this design )

This might just be the last little push I need to fall into the Domino-vortex..... do you sell in Europe ?


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« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2009, 02:39 PM »

Rick,

I like your design ! ( and your entrepreneurial guts ).
From the looks of it  the markings are imperial, aren't they ? Planning to do a Metric version as well? ( not that it's a big issue, with this design )

This might just be the last little push I need to fall into the Domino-vortex..... do you sell in Europe ?


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Job

I just assumed it was metric. But I think you're right, it does appear to be imperial. Rick can you confirm?
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« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2009, 04:12 PM »

Rick,

I like your design ! ( and your entrepreneurial guts ).
From the looks of it  the markings are imperial, aren't they ? Planning to do a Metric version as well? ( not that it's a big issue, with this design )

This might just be the last little push I need to fall into the Domino-vortex..... do you sell in Europe ?


Regards,

Job


Yes, I ship to Europe, and any other country the U.S. postal service serves, which I believe is any country that we have fair trade with (or something like that).

Yes, the graduations are 1/16" divisions, but I have actually contemplated removing them. When I first put those on, I did so thinking that they could be of value for a quick setup, but that was before I had a finished unit to experiment with. It took me all of 30 seconds to realize that using those graduations would not be accurate enough for the caliber of the accuracy this guide is intended. I almost removed them when I had the baseplates repainted, but decided to keep them in place for now, simply for appearances.

The setup procedure I developed for the stops is so simple and accurate, that once you use it, you would never consider using the graduations. Using the graduations would require trial-and-error to tweak the settings to compensate for trivial variations. The documented procedure is a one-shot deal, and you get the correct position the very first time. (This also virtually eliminated the need for the "Adjustment" part of the Adjustment/Spacer screws, so they are really just spacer screws, used when you need two adjacent stop positions very close together. FYI, the spacer screws permit adjacent stop positions to be as close as 0.0747" (1.9mm) apart.)

This is documented in the brief MGS-20 Manual I put together last week. It uses the Domino Sight Gauge and two blocks of wood to set the stop positions, and it even compensates if your Sight Gauge has not been calibrated. It is based on the same procedure that you use to calibrate your Sight Gauge, except you now use the edge of the two blocks of wood to butt the Position Stops up against during adjustment.

By the way, I am going to try to expand the scope of the manual when I get the time. Right now it focuses on setting up the guide, but does not discuss applications.

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« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2009, 04:40 PM »

By the way, the first batch of guides that shipped was mainly geared toward dealer orders, plus RonWen, because he made such a big deal about being the very first customer.  Tongue Out  A huge batch of guides went out the next day for customers, so they should be receiving theirs today. Hopefully I/we will hear more feedback from them about their initial impressions. (hint hint).  Big Grin

By the way, because so many people were ordering the extra stops, last night I completely redid the shopping cart and created a new part number, MGS-30, which is the same as the MGS-20 but with the extra stops already included.

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« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2009, 04:44 PM »

When I first got mine I thought the same about imperial graduations on a metric tool (confusing).  But as Rick says, once you start using his setup procedure you'll find that the hash marks won't be used at all.  His procedure allows for a much more precise setting with either metric or imperial dimensions (your preference).
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« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2009, 04:47 PM »

By the way, the first batch of guides that shipped was mainly geared toward dealer orders, plus RonWen, because he made such a big deal about being the very first customer.  Tongue Out  A huge batch of guides went out the next day for customers, so they should be receiving theirs today. Hopefully I/we will hear more feedback from them about their initial impressions. (hint hint).  Big Grin

I just didn't want you to sit up all night long waiting for a customer to come along to test the website.   Unsure

My normal approach on new products is to let them "bake" awhile letting others find the issues & bugs (can you spell Microsoft?).  With the MGS it appears that Rick has done a nice job of up front debugging.  Cool
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I just assumed it was metric. But I think you're right, it does appear to be imperial. Rick can you confirm?

Just think of the markings as 1.5mm, Brice.  Grin
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« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2009, 01:16 AM »

Looks like a fantastic idea Rick. I will have to order one myself
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« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2009, 03:36 AM »

Looks like a fantastic idea Rick. I will have to order one myself


Well Terry, with your lengthy expertise with the Domino, I have been very curious what you would think about it, and I have been patiently waiting for you to post here. I am glad to hear you are intrigued by it. I have already shipped a couple of these off to your fellow countrymen last week.

If you are still unsure about what you would be getting, or are unsure about the high standards that I designed this to, there is an active discussion over at TalkFestool from a few people that have already taken delivery. There is also some more Q&A there too.  (Granted, the first couple dozen postings are off-topic chat, but toward the end of the thread, people began receiving their units and posting comments.)

I think you will be surprised, as others have, with just how robust I designed this to be. I'll be looking for your order.
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« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2009, 04:59 AM »

Rick I have been away from my computer for 2 weeks and have only just seen it. It?s obviously built to a very high standard and a very, very clever idea. Soon as I seen the concept I knew I have to have one. I can see my new accessory stop gathering dust.
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« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2010, 09:28 AM »

This accessory looks to be very useful. Has anyone used it and care to share their review of the tool?

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« Reply #25 on: August 7, 2010, 01:20 PM »

Rick just finished his video on building a drawer with the Domino and his Multi-position Guide Stop (MGS).  Check it out at Rick's site, click on the "video" tab at the top of the page to watch Rick in action. Thumbs Up
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« Reply #26 on: August 7, 2010, 07:36 PM »

What is that vacuum clamping jig he is using in th video.  That looks very usefull.
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« Reply #27 on: August 7, 2010, 07:42 PM »

What is that vacuum clamping jig he is using in th video.  That looks very usefull.

Why it's the Festool vacuum clamping jig of course. Grin  It's not available here in the States and no word if it will be in the foreseeable future. 
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« Reply #28 on: August 7, 2010, 07:58 PM »

Nice video! One could think he works for Festool  Tongue Out Smile
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« Reply #29 on: August 7, 2010, 08:39 PM »

Rick has so many Festools I don't see how he knows where to reach for what tool next???
I think it's a great video that he and Laurie have done and it really demonstrates the accuracy of the Multi-position Guide Stop -- all of his mortises were done on the "close" setting so there was zero room for error at assembly.

The vacuum clamping setup although I'll bet we'll pay a dear price for looks like an extremely efficient way to hold work pieces and eliminates the need for vises.
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