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Offline Reed Hoyer

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Re: NEW TSO TPG-30 Parallel Guide
« Reply #270 on: May 15, 2019, 07:31 PM »
That makes sense, I suppose.  And I certainly understand the multifunctionalty of having the squares and the guides.  Still, for someone starting from zero, like I am, it makes this an almost 600.00 proposition.  I am sure it's worth it- just makes it a bit harder to jump on.

@Dane $600 is a big number, I agree. If I were starting my woodworking journey today, instead of 6 years ago, I think I would purchase the full TSO setup before I bought my MFT/3. While I really like the table and use it in other ways than making crosscuts, I think I'd much rather have worked from the floor on a 2" sheet of XPS foam with the TSO setup than standing up on a tiny table. It's trivial to make/purchase an inexpensive surface to use for clamping or assembly. Perfect squares and repeatable parallel cuts are tough to come by.

Offline Reed Hoyer

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Re: NEW TSO TPG-30 Parallel Guide
« Reply #271 on: May 15, 2019, 07:33 PM »
From here it looks like the tso parallel guide suffers from the same clumsy ness as the Festool. That the guide stops have to be at the ends of the material being cut. What makes the Seneca and woodpecker easier to handle is that the guide rails that connect to the cutting rails can be at at any distance as they rest on top of what they are cutting as opposed to be at the ends.

@glass1 - please help us understand what makes for "clumsiness" in the FESTOOL parallel guide (- and what you have so far seen of the TSO TPG System) ?

Your feedback may help us decide to speed up the availability of our optional TPG Rail Adapter (p/n 610-409) which accomplishes exactly what you are referring to.

Hans

The clumsiness of the Festool guides is their desire to be perpendicular to the floor rather than parallel. It appears TSO's solution eliminates that by resting its rails on the material rather than next to it.

Offline Mike Goetzke

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Re: NEW TSO TPG-30 Parallel Guide
« Reply #272 on: May 15, 2019, 09:42 PM »
From here it looks like the tso parallel guide suffers from the same clumsy ness as the Festool. That the guide stops have to be at the ends of the material being cut. What makes the Seneca and woodpecker easier to handle is that the guide rails that connect to the cutting rails can be at at any distance as they rest on top of what they are cutting as opposed to be at the ends.

@glass1 - please help us understand what makes for "clumsiness" in the FESTOOL parallel guide (- and what you have so far seen of the TSO TPG System) ?

Your feedback may help us decide to speed up the availability of our optional TPG Rail Adapter (p/n 610-409) which accomplishes exactly what you are referring to.

Hans

The clumsiness of the Festool guides is their desire to be perpendicular to the floor rather than parallel. It appears TSO's solution eliminates that by resting its rails on the material rather than next to it.

When making test cuts before my first project I found my cuts to be off and initially blamed the TSO square but it was my rail. I have two 55"and one 118" Makita rails plus a 75" Festool rail. One of the 55" Makita rails was off by 3/16" over the 55" (it was new so I got it replaced). So first make sure the rail is straight.

I used my TSO GRS 16-PE square on a real project (simple bookcase) for the first time a couple weeks ago. I had to make a few 48" cross cuts. I marked both the near and far end with my cut line. I registered the square and anti-chip edge at the near side and the far end of the anti-chip was spot on the other pencil mark. I measured across the corners and dimensions were within 1/32".

I made several 10" to 12" cross cuts and had excellent results but had to mark every piece while I wait for the TSO TPG.

So, if you are cutting at least up to 48" I see no need for two squares and two sets of parallel guides putting you under $300. I haven't tried the square for a cut with my 118" rail for a full 96" rip but that may require two parallel stops. I use another jig for ripping long lengths.


Mike
« Last Edit: May 16, 2019, 08:44 AM by Mike Goetzke »

Offline BarneyD

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Re: NEW TSO TPG-30 Parallel Guide
« Reply #273 on: May 17, 2019, 04:44 PM »
I just received my TPG 20 & 30 RH kit today (had previously purchased the GRS-16) and I'm very impressed. Took me about 30 seconds to calibrate it to my guide rails. I've not tried the narrow rip rod and likely never will. I prefer to do that on the table saw. But the fit, finish, and packaging are all superb.  So kudos to Hans and Eric for a very well designed and executed product.
Barney

Offline Mike Goetzke

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Re: NEW TSO TPG-30 Parallel Guide
« Reply #274 on: May 22, 2019, 09:33 PM »
@tjbnwi  @TSO_Products

Received my TPG-50 complete set today. These are not only beautiful but very functional and quick to setup. I have three Makita rails and a Festool rail. Once calibrated all line up perfectly. Probably need to tweak calibration if I install one of the other arms??? Didn't test that yet.

Couple questions:

1) Where is the best place to place the cursor? Middle of the tick mark or left/right side of it. Taking me a little bit to have confidence centering right on top of it. Maybe experience will help.

2) Don't know why but I just noticed that the 20 & 30 have etched scales but the 50 a glued on scale. Curious why this is?

I only made a few test cuts but this is a perfect compliment to any track saw. I don't have enough experience with the square but seems to me it is easier to square the lumber the to square with the parallel arm in place. Over the next week I have some planter boxes to build for my wife with many repetitive cuts. Will report back how it works out.

(Side question - anyone else have Makita and Festool rails? I find the guide rib on the Festool rail to be little wider requiring me to adjust the saw when I go from rail to rail. Need a solution to this - maybe shim/tape?)

Thanks,

Mike


Offline tjbnwi

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Re: NEW TSO TPG-30 Parallel Guide
« Reply #275 on: May 22, 2019, 09:52 PM »
@Mike Goetzke,

I set the cursor rail side face in line with the tick mark rail side face. To me that is the distance I am looking for. I also find it easy to align them this way, I'm not splitting the line unless absolutely necessary.

If you're going to use tape to take up some slop use UHMW slick tape.

Tom

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Re: NEW TSO TPG-30 Parallel Guide
« Reply #276 on: May 23, 2019, 03:58 AM »
TSO is stepping up production with particular emphasis on the TPG combination purchased most frequently.

@Mike Goetzke- the choice of a STARRETT bench tape on the 50 inch T-track is for reasons of manufacturing convenience. If it turns out that engraving of this long part makes more sense later on, we may change that.

We worked hard on packaging and will appreciate submittal of pictures of any shipping damage of packaging shortcomings  which will help us improve. I was at AXMINSTER TOOLS & MACHINERY earlier this week and the individually FedEx shipped TPG-50 sample arrived completely intact as have all the other test packages we have shipped back  and forth across the US  multiple times.

Your experience reports are appreciated via email to
      info@tsoproducts.com

Hans
(from Europe at the moment)

Offline RobBob

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Re: NEW TSO TPG-30 Parallel Guide
« Reply #277 on: May 24, 2019, 04:42 PM »
@TSO Products

What is the the maximum width each track can cut to...20", 30", and 50"?

I assume it is approximately the width of the Festool guide rail and splinter strip plus the length of the TSO track used?

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Re: NEW TSO TPG-30 Parallel Guide
« Reply #278 on: Yesterday at 04:26 AM »
@TSO Products

What is the the maximum width each track can cut to...20", 30", and 50"?

I assume it is approximately the width of the Festool guide rail and splinter strip plus the length of the TSO track used?

@RobBob  - TSO's t-track numbering refers to the nominal maximum width you can rip. The actual length of each t-track is shorter than it's name by the width of the guide rail including splinter guard.

Hans