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Offline Roachmill

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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2019, 07:39 AM »
Thanks for that. I've been eager to see what they were going to come out with.

I can't see it being any use for ripping narrow stock unless they have something else up their sleeves. Besides, for narrow stock, you really want two reference points... and thus two GRS-16s and two TPG-30s (which makes the Woodpeckers version look "cheap"!).

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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2019, 08:27 AM »
the link to the preview image shows one part of a larger "SYSTEM" designed to improve on existing solutions. Subscribers to our TSO INSIDER  (or sign up at https://tsoproducts.com ) will receive more detail as we near launch day. We will recap the points raised in various forum posts and address them in a comprehensive approach.

In the meantime we view all the comments and questions as helpful input to be able to effectively communicate with our base of customers and prospective customers as well.

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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2019, 09:13 AM »
the link to the preview image shows one part of a larger "SYSTEM" designed to improve on existing solutions.


Do you mean it works better as a system ?  [blink]

More seriously, will it be set in systainers or with something to put it outside of a systainer ? Will you do a promo pack with already « existing solutions » ?

Exciting news we have here :) Already on my way to ask my customer to send money asap  [big grin]  [wink]

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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2019, 09:56 AM »
I just ordered one of your square cutting attachments and had thought of making the same jig for it.
helper: i used a festool "circular saw" to do something simple and it made it really hard

me: exactly, it makes simple cuts complicated and complicated cuts simple

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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2019, 10:41 AM »
Looks interesting. As an owner of the original GRS I’m looking forward to the solution for mounting the new product to the old.

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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2019, 10:52 AM »
And there I thought I was going to behave myself when it came to tool shopping in 2019.....oh well my arm has been twisted

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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2019, 11:33 AM »
Looks interesting. As an owner of the original GRS I’m looking forward to the solution for mounting the new product to the old.
Michael - we are determined to develop a way for early adopters like you to be able to take advantage of later offerings like the TPG-30 in a most affordable way. No planned obsolescence at TSO [smile]

stay tuned
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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2019, 11:42 AM »
Looks interesting. As an owner of the original GRS I’m looking forward to the solution for mounting the new product to the old.

I have the same issue Michael. My GRS-16 PE has 2 tapped holes while my GRS-16 has none.

I believe there was some conversation, maybe 9-12 months ago about producing a jig/kit for adding the tapped holes to earlier tools. It was a fixture that would be circulated to those that signed up and after you modified your tool, you'd send the kit off to the next participant on the list. At least that was the discussion at the time.
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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2019, 01:12 PM »
Hans

I may be mistaken but the flipstop looks like thst there may be some play in it when a board is butted to it?

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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2019, 01:24 PM »
Hans,

It looks as if the extension track locates off the left side of the rib that locates the rail. If this is correct, is there some slight adjustment to the flip stop to compensate for minor differences in the blade location on the saw?  Also, I have one of what I think is one of the earlier GR-16 squares - only has two holes - and wonder if you could let me know the location of the two additional holes needed to accommodate the TPG-30 as it looks as if one hole may match but the missing hole may be pretty close to the other.

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« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2019, 05:40 PM »
Hans

I may be mistaken but the flipstop looks like thst there may be some play in it when a board is butted to it?

@tazprime38  - you must have "strong' eyes to be able to move that stop (in a picture) because I can't move the real thing by any means.
I know, - you're just testing us  [smile]
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« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2019, 07:50 PM »
Hans

I may be mistaken but the flipstop looks like thst there may be some play in it when a board is butted to it?

There is no play in the stop.

Tom

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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2019, 07:53 PM »
Hans,

It looks as if the extension track locates off the left side of the rib that locates the rail. If this is correct, is there some slight adjustment to the flip stop to compensate for minor differences in the blade location on the saw?  Also, I have one of what I think is one of the earlier GR-16 squares - only has two holes - and wonder if you could let me know the location of the two additional holes needed to accommodate the TPG-30 as it looks as if one hole may match but the missing hole may be pretty close to the other.

The stop is adjustable to compensate for the variations. The TPG needs to be calibrated to your tools.

Tom

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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2019, 10:29 AM »
Hans,

It looks as if the extension track locates off the left side of the rib that locates the rail. If this is correct, is there some slight adjustment to the flip stop to compensate for minor differences in the blade location on the saw?  Also, I have one of what I think is one of the earlier GR-16 squares - only has two holes - and wonder if you could let me know the location of the two additional holes needed to accommodate the TPG-30 as it looks as if one hole may match but the missing hole may be pretty close to the other.

The stop is adjustable to compensate for the variations. The TPG needs to be calibrated to your tools.

Tom

Tom,

Thanks for the information. Presumably this would be a one-time setting? My present set-up (non-Festool) has no positive stops, plus I disassemble after use because it's so cumbersome, so has to be calibrated each time.

The "fence is detachable, no scale because of the loose pivot where it attaches to the rail so basically has to be manually set to the required cut length - the required length is marked on the material, the cursor is used to set the rail to the line and the stop adjusted.

Tom

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« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2019, 10:31 AM »
Sorry, this photo of my present set-up didn't post for some reason.


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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2019, 11:20 AM »
Looks interesting. As an owner of the original GRS I’m looking forward to the solution for mounting the new product to the old.

Me too.

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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2019, 03:18 PM »
Hans,

It looks as if the extension track locates off the left side of the rib that locates the rail. If this is correct, is there some slight adjustment to the flip stop to compensate for minor differences in the blade location on the saw?  Also, I have one of what I think is one of the earlier GR-16 squares - only has two holes - and wonder if you could let me know the location of the two additional holes needed to accommodate the TPG-30 as it looks as if one hole may match but the missing hole may be pretty close to the other.

The stop is adjustable to compensate for the variations. The TPG needs to be calibrated to your tools.

Tom

Tom,

Thanks for the information. Presumably this would be a one-time setting? My present set-up (non-Festool) has no positive stops, plus I disassemble after use because it's so cumbersome, so has to be calibrated each time.

The "fence is detachable, no scale because of the loose pivot where it attaches to the rail so basically has to be manually set to the required cut length - the required length is marked on the material, the cursor is used to set the rail to the line and the stop adjusted.

Tom

It is a one time calibration to your current tools unless you change the pin out for the narrow stock rod. At that time you would have to calibrate the narrow stock rods, then recalibrate when you install the pin.

If you plan on doing the above often I recommend 2 stops, calibrate each and be done with it.

We do rip 8’ sheets with a single arm, largest variation we’ve seen is 128th of an inch.

Full disclosure, I have been testing this system for over a year. Hans supplied me with all the pieces necessary to test the system then updated piece as changes were made.

Tom

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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2019, 04:33 PM »
Hans,

It looks as if the extension track locates off the left side of the rib that locates the rail. If this is correct, is there some slight adjustment to the flip stop to compensate for minor differences in the blade location on the saw?  Also, I have one of what I think is one of the earlier GR-16 squares - only has two holes - and wonder if you could let me know the location of the two additional holes needed to accommodate the TPG-30 as it looks as if one hole may match but the missing hole may be pretty close to the other.

The stop is adjustable to compensate for the variations. The TPG needs to be calibrated to your tools.

Tom

Tom,

Thanks for the information. Presumably this would be a one-time setting? My present set-up (non-Festool) has no positive stops, plus I disassemble after use because it's so cumbersome, so has to be calibrated each time.

The "fence is detachable, no scale because of the loose pivot where it attaches to the rail so basically has to be manually set to the required cut length - the required length is marked on the material, the cursor is used to set the rail to the line and the stop adjusted.

Tom

It is a one time calibration to your current tools unless you change the pin out for the narrow stock rod. At that time you would have to calibrate the narrow stock rods, then recalibrate when you install the pin.

If you plan on doing the above often I recommend 2 stops, calibrate each and be done with it.

We do rip 8’ sheets with a single arm, largest variation we’ve seen is 128th of an inch.

Full disclosure, I have been testing this system for over a year. Hans supplied me with all the pieces necessary to test the system then updated piece as changes were made.

Tom

Tom, what are your impressions on this new parallel guide? How does it compare with the festool PG set or others that you may have tried?

Tariq

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« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2019, 06:30 PM »
I own the Woodpecker and Seneca parallel guides.

The issue I had with the Woodpecker system was arm creep, you had to be aware that the segments would separate after repeated bumping of the material to set them in place. I also found the stop itself would creep.

The Seneca set I could never get calibrated 100%, most likely me. 

I have used the Festool pg’s.  Never bought a set because they really never impressed me.

One of the really nice thing about TSO’s system is if you have a long arm on the rail or multiple stops you can unsnap the clamp on the GRS and slide the entire assembly off the rail.  Remove the cut piece, reposition for your next cut, slide the GRS on the rail, lock it in place, potion the assembly make the cut. This reads like a pain, but compared to moving a rail with a long arm on it this is a dream.

There won’t be any segment creep because there are no segments. The stop locks in place well. Scale and pointer are very easy to view.

This system is more accurate than my sliding table saw.

Tom

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« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2019, 06:54 PM »
Tom,

That is good to know. What about the Rod for narrow board cutting, is this well thought out and does it work well? What are the maximum and minimum cuts possible with these?

Tariq

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« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2019, 07:06 PM »
Tom,

That is good to know. What about the Rod for narrow board cutting, is this well thought out and does it work well? What are the maximum and minimum cuts possible with these?

Tariq

For narrow rips I highly recommend 2 of everything. One set for the left side. There is not enough purchase on the GRS to make certain you are dead square.

Minimum cut is 0. The rod extends all the way to the saw blade. Max 51ish.

Tom

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« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2019, 04:48 AM »
I'm looking forward to seeing the final product in production.  Looks interesting.

We do rip 8’ sheets with a single arm, largest variation we’ve seen is 128th of an inch.

That's pretty impressive.  Looks like you've got a pretty good guide rail coupled with the TSO square. 

I read somewhere on FOG that Festool say that linearity tolerances for the 3m rails are 1.5mm... So 0.5mm per 1m is presumably their manufacturing tolerances. So, unfortunately not everyone is going to get perfect results depending on their individual rails. Likewise in setting up the MFT we have squares that are accurate to 0.0254mm (0.001" over there length) but if the rail is so slack on tolerances then a 4-cut square might not turn out perfect.


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« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2019, 04:32 PM »
For narrow rips I highly recommend 2 of everything. One set for the left side. There is not enough purchase on the GRS to make certain you are dead square.

Minimum cut is 0. The rod extends all the way to the saw blade. Max 51ish.

Tom


Thank you Tom for the information!


Am I correct in assuming that the TPG-30 will be able to replicate the function of the Festool parallel guide extensions?
I imagine a scenario where you have a full sheet (wider than the length of the TPG) and only need a thin strip.
In that case would you have to do 2 cuts - the first to rip a piece from the full sheet, narrow enough to use the TPG, and then use the TPG to make your thin, final strip?


Thank you in advance!
Richard.

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« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2019, 04:35 PM »
For narrow rips I highly recommend 2 of everything. One set for the left side. There is not enough purchase on the GRS to make certain you are dead square.

Minimum cut is 0. The rod extends all the way to the saw blade. Max 51ish.

Tom


Thank you Tom for the information!


Am I correct in assuming that the TPG-30 will be able to replicate the function of the Festool parallel guide extensions?
I imagine a scenario where you have a full sheet (wider than the length of the TPG) and only need a thin strip.
In that case would you have to do 2 cuts - the first to rip a piece from the full sheet, narrow enough to use the TPG, and then use the TPG to make your thin, final strip?


Thank you in advance!
Richard.

Let me think on this, I have not tried this yet.

Tom

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« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2019, 05:44 PM »
Any word on the cost?

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« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2019, 07:26 PM »
Any word on the cost?
Everything was fine and kind until this very moment.  [big grin]

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« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2019, 08:58 PM »
all you subscribers to the TSO INSIDER will get a very detailed description with pictures of the TSO Parallel Guide System . The mail is programmed to go from east to west starting at the International date line - look for it around dinner time in the US on Sunday.

Thanks for all the questions and comments. Helps a lot in knowing what we need to address - really!
Pricing will go up on our website right after the TSO INSIDER announcement of availability has gone out.

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« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2019, 09:26 PM »
Any word on the cost?
Everything was fine and kind until this very moment.  [big grin]

Leave it to Ron.....

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« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2019, 10:23 PM »
hehehehehehehe you know me  [big grin]