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Offline copcarcollector

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Re: Old hose but at 50% still a great deal
« Reply #30 on: April 06, 2018, 04:38 PM »
Perhaps email Beaver and ask them to check their stock...? The picture on their site sure does not look like what you have received ---
« Last Edit: April 06, 2018, 04:41 PM by copcarcollector »

Offline rvieceli

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Re: Old hose but at 50% still a great deal
« Reply #31 on: April 06, 2018, 05:31 PM »
That's an unfortunate design decision by Oneida to connect the hose on the outside of the tube instead of an internal connection like most are done.

Mine should come early next week. Let me see if I can figure out the adapter needed.

Ron

Offline BarneyD

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Re: Old hose but at 50% still a great deal
« Reply #32 on: April 06, 2018, 06:08 PM »
My sleeved hose is probably a couple of years old and it also has the internal ribs and will not fit on the UDD.  I have a D36 hose connected to the UDD and the sleeved hose connected to that.
Barney

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Old hose but at 50% still a great deal
« Reply #33 on: April 06, 2018, 06:49 PM »
Tried some fittings, the Festool Y does fit but is too long so a little jostling of the hose pulls the Y off the DD. The Fein Y would work much better as it is about 1/4 the size (and cost) of the Festool Y but it has a circular ridge inside that prevents it pushing onto the DD pipe.

Another thing (don't know where it came from but it was probably the result of a tip posted here) works much better than the Festool Y as it is much shorter. The red thing is an adjustable air port to allow air in and reduce suction if your dust extractor doesn't have adjustable speed (Fein).


Offline rvieceli

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Re: Old hose but at 50% still a great deal
« Reply #34 on: April 06, 2018, 09:26 PM »
Michael - I think but I don't know for sure that the vac end of that hose is 27mm. SO you should be able to remove the existing end and the replace it with your hose end that works now.

Ron

Offline c_dwyer

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Re: Old hose but at 50% still a great deal
« Reply #35 on: April 06, 2018, 10:31 PM »
Before I send mine back, is there an adapter (part no.) that I can use to replace the hose fitting w/o having to get the Y-connector for the UDD?

Offline T. Ernsberger

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Re: Old hose but at 50% still a great deal
« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2018, 10:48 PM »
This is how I did my sleeved hose and the UdD.  I cut a small section of 36mm hose about 2 ft long and used a Festool hose Union.  @c_dwyer @rvieceli
« Last Edit: April 06, 2018, 10:54 PM by T. Ernsberger »

Offline Gregor

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Re: Old hose but at 50% still a great deal
« Reply #37 on: April 07, 2018, 03:53 AM »
https://www.festool.de/zubehoer/499196---ad-d36cs50cs70cms might solve your problems in the manner of the post directly above, but at a lower price point than cutting a long hose short.

« Last Edit: April 07, 2018, 03:56 AM by Gregor »

Offline Vondawg

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Re: Old hose but at 50% still a great deal
« Reply #38 on: April 07, 2018, 07:43 AM »
MK......yes mine (new discounted) came with the two ribs...my 3 year old one has the same ribs
There are no mistakes....just new designs.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Old hose but at 50% still a great deal
« Reply #39 on: April 07, 2018, 09:32 AM »
I'll probably just cut two short notches in the DD pipe end. Probably only need to be about 5mm deep by about 10mm wide. A regular hose end (without internal nubs) should engage the DD pipe well past those notches.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Old hose but at 50% still a great deal
« Reply #40 on: April 07, 2018, 09:48 AM »
I preordered 2 of those sleeved hoses when they first became available a couple of years ago. Both of those hoses have connectors WITH the male protrusions.

On the original hoses that came with the 2 vacs, the connectors on those hoses DO NOT HAVE male protrusions.

Looks like you need to find the original hose connector and swap it out.
« Last Edit: April 07, 2018, 09:51 AM by Cheese »

Offline khariv

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Re: Old hose but at 50% still a great deal
« Reply #41 on: April 08, 2018, 12:53 AM »
I preordered 2 of those sleeved hoses when they first became available a couple of years ago. Both of those hoses have connectors WITH the male protrusions.

On the original hoses that came with the 2 vacs, the connectors on those hoses DO NOT HAVE male protrusions.

Looks like you need to find the original hose connector and swap it out.

I bought a sleeved hose just about a year ago and the one I received has the internal protrustions. 

I tried swapping out the end with an end that fits from a different AS hose, but the connector doesn't fit with the rest of the hose terminator components.

I haven't been able to use it on my DD because of that.  I am afraid of cobbling something together with third party unions because of the risk of breaking the anti-static connection and zapping my CT36.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Old hose but at 50% still a great deal
« Reply #42 on: April 08, 2018, 08:17 AM »
I've never understood the idea that static in the hose could kill the vac. Is this something Festool has confirmed?
 
Question: I've never noticed any metal conductor at the hose port on my Festool vacs. Maybe I just haven't looked close enough?

If there isn't a ground conductor in the hose port on the vac then the whole black plastic portion of the vac housing is conductive (for static). If that is the case (or even if there is a wire conductor) any static that makes it to the black housing should preferentially be conducted to the ground conductor.

Why would static prefer to jump around non-conductive parts to zap the control board? Seems like a rumor to me. Festool sells non-AS hoses don't they? They're only supposed to be used on non-Festool vacs?

I've used an original (presumably) non-AS Dust Deputy sitting on a non-AS plastic bucket strapped to the top of a CT Mini for several years. I didn't bother to bridge the non-conductive parts.

In my experience at least 75% of the benefit of an anti-static hose comes from the hose itself weather it's attached to a static conductive vac or not.

In my shop a 20 year old old Fein Turbo vac (9.55.13) is hanging from the ceiling by a rope. An original DD is hanging nearby with a plain old Shop Vac hose from HD connecting the two. The Shop Vac version is good because it is very stiff and that keeps the bends fair. No bridging of static.

I usually use Festool AS hose with that settup and in the driest moths do get some zaps but not terrible. For clean up farther away I switch to a longer non-AS hose which makes it clear that the hose itself is the main benefactor in controlling static. Much more static with the non-AS hose both in zaps and crud clinging to the outside of the hose.
« Last Edit: April 08, 2018, 08:52 AM by Michael Kellough »

Offline ScotF

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Re: Old hose but at 50% still a great deal
« Reply #43 on: April 08, 2018, 08:48 AM »
I think the hose ends of AS hoses have carbon in then or something to make them AS as not all tool ends have metal...although the RAS does, for example.

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Re: Old hose but at 50% still a great deal
« Reply #44 on: April 08, 2018, 08:59 AM »
Question: I've never noticed any metal conductor at the hose port on my Festool vacs. Maybe I just haven't looked close enough?

There is a metal conductor in the vac port.

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Offline Cheese

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Re: Old hose but at 50% still a great deal
« Reply #45 on: April 08, 2018, 09:04 AM »
1. I've never understood the idea that static in the hose could kill the vac. Is this something Festool has confirmed?
 
2. I've never noticed any metal conductor at the hose port on my Festool vacs. Maybe I just haven't looked close enough?

1. Hey Michael, on some previous Festool vs Dust Deputy discussions, I believe it became a finger pointing exercise between Festool & DD. However, some time later DD did come out with their redesigned grounded unit and then the Festool up-in-smoke discussion went away.  [huh]

2. There doesn't have to be a metal conductor/piece to enable the completion of a circuit. The part just needs to have the proper amount of carbon loaded material in the mix. You want to add just enough carbon black to make the connector/hose conductive but not enough to affect the processing of the product or its functionality or longevity.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Old hose but at 50% still a great deal
« Reply #46 on: April 08, 2018, 11:36 AM »
Question: I've never noticed any metal conductor at the hose port on my Festool vacs. Maybe I just haven't looked close enough?

There is a metal conductor in the vac port.

I just checked my old Mini and there is a nice spring contact.
So, wouldn't a lot of static in a non-as hose be conducted away by that contact? Rather than jump to the control board?

Offline ryanjg117

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Re: Old hose but at 50% still a great deal
« Reply #47 on: April 18, 2018, 01:01 AM »
Has anyone found a solution here for attaching the sleeved hose to a Dust Deputy? Like others, I figured I could attach the end off another AS hose I had, only to realize that the SKU for the connector end of the sleeved hose is completely different, designed fatter to accommodate the sleeve material slipping underneath it. Hard to explain without photos but it looks like I'll need an adapter.

I do have the Festool Y-adapter somewhere, so maybe I'll try to get that hooked up momentarily.

Offline rst

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Re: Old hose but at 50% still a great deal
« Reply #48 on: April 18, 2018, 07:07 AM »
Just buy the Festool 493047 Hose Sleeve, $12.00 from Toolnut/Festoolproducts.  It will slip over both the Oneida and Festool fittings.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Old hose but at 50% still a great deal
« Reply #49 on: April 18, 2018, 10:16 AM »
If that sleeve is big enough to fit over the Festool hose end - on both ends - then it will be way too loose on the DD.

Offline rvieceli

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Re: Old hose but at 50% still a great deal
« Reply #50 on: April 18, 2018, 10:24 AM »
Michael what is the inside diameter and the outside diameter of the UDD fitting?

Offline MGDS

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Re: Old hose but at 50% still a great deal
« Reply #51 on: April 18, 2018, 11:53 AM »
Ryan, not sure if this will help you, I too bought the sleeved hose and have a DD setup. I was able to zip-up my original hose into the sleeve, it’s a tight fit, but no issues in the 2 weeks since purchased, probably 40hrs of use so far.

Offline GoingMyWay

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Re: Old hose but at 50% still a great deal
« Reply #52 on: April 24, 2018, 03:55 PM »
My sleeved hose arrived today.  To my pleasant surprise, it came in a 90 year anniversary systainer.
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Offline ear3

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Re: Old hose but at 50% still a great deal
« Reply #53 on: May 01, 2018, 07:30 PM »
Same here.  Is it my imagination, or does the sleeved hose seem slightly shorter than the normal 27mm one -- even though they are both listed at 3.5m?


My sleeved hose arrived today.  To my pleasant surprise, it came in a 90 year anniversary systainer.
Kapex KS 120 w/UG Cart and Extensions • CXS Set • T18+3 w/Centrotec Installer's Set • PDC 18/4 • TS 75 • TSC 55 • HKC 55 w/250, 420 and 670 FSK rails • Carvex 420 w/Accessory Kit • Domino 500 Set • Domino 700 XL • OF 2200 w/Base Accessory Kit • OF 1400 • OF 1010 • MFK 700 EQ Set • LR 32 • MFS 400 w/2000, 1000, and 700 extensions • Rotex 90 • Rotex 150 • LS 130 • ETS-EC 150/5 • ETS-EC 150/3 • ETS 150/3 • Pro 5 LTD • RTS 400 • RAS 115.04 • RS 2 • HL 850 • Vecturo OS 400 • CT 26 w/Long-Life Bag and BT module • CT Sys w/Long-Life Bag • MFT/3

Offline GoingMyWay

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Re: Old hose but at 50% still a great deal
« Reply #54 on: May 01, 2018, 07:36 PM »
Maybe?  I didn't do an actual side by side comparison.  I just took the old ribbed hose and jammed it into the new systainer and coiled the new hose into the garage of my CT26.  I will say that the old hose didn't fit into the systainer as nicely as the new one, but then again I didn't spend any time to make it a tight coil or anything like that.
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Offline ear3

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Re: Old hose but at 50% still a great deal
« Reply #55 on: May 02, 2018, 08:17 AM »
I'm not crazy.  Here are the pics to prove it -- about a 10" difference including the fittings (though maybe you give back an inch or two if the hoses were both laid out perfectly straight):



Maybe?  I didn't do an actual side by side comparison.  I just took the old ribbed hose and jammed it into the new systainer and coiled the new hose into the garage of my CT26.  I will say that the old hose didn't fit into the systainer as nicely as the new one, but then again I didn't spend any time to make it a tight coil or anything like that.
Kapex KS 120 w/UG Cart and Extensions • CXS Set • T18+3 w/Centrotec Installer's Set • PDC 18/4 • TS 75 • TSC 55 • HKC 55 w/250, 420 and 670 FSK rails • Carvex 420 w/Accessory Kit • Domino 500 Set • Domino 700 XL • OF 2200 w/Base Accessory Kit • OF 1400 • OF 1010 • MFK 700 EQ Set • LR 32 • MFS 400 w/2000, 1000, and 700 extensions • Rotex 90 • Rotex 150 • LS 130 • ETS-EC 150/5 • ETS-EC 150/3 • ETS 150/3 • Pro 5 LTD • RTS 400 • RAS 115.04 • RS 2 • HL 850 • Vecturo OS 400 • CT 26 w/Long-Life Bag and BT module • CT Sys w/Long-Life Bag • MFT/3

Offline GoingMyWay

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Re: Old hose but at 50% still a great deal
« Reply #56 on: May 02, 2018, 08:19 AM »
Wow, that is interesting!  I'd have assumed it was the exact same hose, just one in the sleeve - evidently not.  I wonder why the sleeved hose is shorter.
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Offline Peter_C

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Re: Old hose but at 50% still a great deal
« Reply #57 on: May 02, 2018, 12:31 PM »
I was curious so I shoved my tape measure and covered hose into the dust extractor to hold one end, and gently pulled the hose straight. I got 3580mm roughly from outside of end to outside of end. It would easily stretch further, but my goal wasn't to stretch the hose.

Ear3's older hose may just be well used and stretched out??

Bought one hose, received it, saw this thread pop back up after using said hose, and wound up buying another one weeks ago. Shocked they still have inventory to sell. Beaver Tools must have bought a truck load. With the Sys 3 included, that I am promptly repurposing into an Abranet holder, it is a no brainer purchase(s). One hose lives in the hose garage, and the other is stored in a Sys 4 that holds all my cleaning tools, adapters, helping hand, etc.

Been trying to figure out how to setup an automatic blast gate system so I can run two tools without having to make any changes, just GO! There comes a point buying another dust extractor might just be wiser. No one seems to make an automatic 2 1/4" blast gate, and it would need to be electric, not pneumatic.

Offline ryanjg117

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Re: Old hose but at 50% still a great deal
« Reply #58 on: May 13, 2018, 10:54 PM »
Interesting find on the shorter hose. I also noticed that once I replaced my boom arm hose with the sleeved version, things always seemed just about 6" too short... I'm going to have to take measurements now to see if this is an epidemic.